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"APC designer calls specific line 'Last Niggas in Paris' 'ye approved? (s..."
Wed Jan-28-15 11:53 AM by bucknchange

  

          

Can a brand ever use the N-word to sell clothes? The answer, surely, is absolutely not. Who would ever suggest it? Well, Jean Touitou, the founder of A.P.C., did today at a Fall presentation that was full of tasteful menswear but stretched the boundaries of appropriateness.

As he opened his live narration of the collection, Touitou told us this: "Being both a creative genius and making clothes that can be worn are two different jobs, two worlds apart. One can't at the same time do things right and bother with headlines and spotlight exposure."Touitou clearly—and rightly—counts himself as a maker of excellent, wearable clothes. And yet after promising during his first set of four looks, "I won't deliver a big shock," he then went on to do just that. Touitou ushered in a quartet of models wearing three different cuts of a camel overcoat and one check, all matched with gray sweatpants and A.P.C.-designed Timberlands. Then he held up a sign that said, "Last Ni##@$ IN PARIS," and gave us this exposition: "I call this one look Last N****s in Paris. Why? Because it's the sweet spot when the hood—the 'hood—meets Bertolucci's movie Last Tango in Paris. So that's 'N****s in Paris' and Last N****s in Paris. Oh, I am glad some people laughed with me. Yes, I mean, it's nice to play with the strong signifiers. The Timberland here is a very strong ghetto signifier. In the ghetto, it is all the Timberlands, all the big chain. Not at the same time—never; it's bad taste. So we designed Timberlands with Timberland…" And on he went. Touitou likes to be irreverent. But what he said here seemed ill considered, at the very least.

Contacted by e-mail afterward, Touitou clarified his position, that sign, and that speech by saying: "One hip-hop song is called 'N***** in Paris.' One movie is called 'Last Tango in Paris.'

"I made looks which are a cross-over of those two references: the Timberland shoes and the sweat pants are iconic of hip-hop, and the camel hair color coat, worn with nothing under it, is iconic of that precise movie. I am friends with Kanye , and he and I presented a joint collection at the same place, one year ago, and that this thing is only a homage to our friendship. As a matter of fact, when I came up with this idea, I wrote to him, with the picture of the look and the name I was giving to it, and he wrote back immediately saying something like, 'I love this vibe.'"

http://www.style.com/fashion-shows/fall-2015-menswear/a-p-c-

Hmm. Even with Kanye's permission—and that more fully expressed exposition—Touitou is swimming in perilous waters.

  

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folks entirely too in love with that line/song
Jan 28th 2015
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^^^^^RE: folks entirely too in love with that line/song
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Agreed
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"Weak as Snails" is the look when I wear white clothing
Jan 28th 2015
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is that a threat???? sounds like a threat to me....
Jan 28th 2015
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& LOL @ Ye setting dude up for the okiedoke....
Jan 28th 2015
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RE: you right...timberland just pulled from collaboration (swipe)
Jan 28th 2015
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      oh WOW. this should be getting more spins....
Jan 29th 2015
8
wow, ive heard it all
Jan 29th 2015
7
120. "gotdamn yall can get stuck on the most minute detail"
Jan 29th 2015
9
My Gal...are you ok? you doing 15much here...
Jan 29th 2015
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      nothing wrong with me connecting the dots
Jan 29th 2015
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      The word hoe in a joke on a message board post
Jan 29th 2015
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           Yeah and no
Jan 29th 2015
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                yep
Jan 29th 2015
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      smh, I think you need to...
Jan 29th 2015
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           the joke is you using the word think
Jan 29th 2015
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Apparently Touitou has trolled before
Jan 29th 2015
13
man listen
Jan 29th 2015
17

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1. "folks entirely too in love with that line/song"
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6. "^^^^^RE: folks entirely too in love with that line/song"
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exactly, I really don't get it.. SMH

"You used to be so cool, but now, you know you're so cold"

  

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10. "Agreed"
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2. ""Weak as Snails" is the look when I wear white clothing "
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Taking from the phrase "tough as nails" and combining it with French war politics and cuisine preferences.



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3. "is that a threat???? sounds like a threat to me...."
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GHNO
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4. "& LOL @ Ye setting dude up for the okiedoke...."
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gassed him up & everything!
yet y'all claim he whitewashed...
that's a classic hood move...

  

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5. "RE: you right...timberland just pulled from collaboration (swipe)"
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timberland's statement:
"We have chosen to immediately terminate our involvement with the A.P.C. brand. Simply stated, this kind of language and approach is in complete contrast with our values. Timberland seeks to collaborate with designers and brands who are at the forefront of lifestyle trends; equally important, they must also share our values. We will not tolerate offensive language or racial slurs of any kind being associated with the Timberland brand."

http://www.gq.com/style/blogs/the-gq-eye/2015/01/timberland-pulls-plug-on-apc-collaboration-following-founder-jean-touitous-controversial-remarks.html

  

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8. "oh WOW. this should be getting more spins...."
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7. "wow, ive heard it all"
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i dont have colors
my mmsic:
www.soundclick.com/sylana
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Brb8g8f18xE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NgNuVHrEKI

  

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9. "120. "gotdamn yall can get stuck on the most minute detail" "
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http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=12708860&mesg_id=12708860&page=#12710109



209. "The fake deep olympics in here."



The well " I wasn't offended it was "just a joke"
I found "it funny"
That's my friend apologists can come right on in here as well



I mean "it's just a word"
I'm sure folks are laughing here as well



You dumbass motherfuckers
I swear
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11. "My Gal...are you ok? you doing 15much here..."
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12. "nothing wrong with me connecting the dots"
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on stupidity

its not limited to one post
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14. "The word hoe in a joke on a message board post"
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is not in the same universe as using the N word for fashion marketing.

>on stupidity
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>its not limited to one post
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>When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so
>that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
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>You cannot hate people for their own good.


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16. "Yeah and no"
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Obviously one is a multimilliondollar brand (and multimillionaire) saying it front of an audience of millions, the other is just a simple messageboard post.

However her point is that Touitou and Ristic just threw it in for effect and a punchline to give their statements more zing! , not realizing just how offensive it might be.



>is not in the same universe as using the N word for fashion
>marketing.
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>>on stupidity
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>>its not limited to one post
>>~~~~
>>When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so
>>that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
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>>You cannot hate people for their own good.
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18. "yep"
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>Obviously one is a multimilliondollar brand (and
>multimillionaire) saying it front of an audience of millions,
>the other is just a simple messageboard post.
>
>However her point is that Touitou and Ristic just threw it in
>for effect and a punchline to give their statements more zing!
>, not realizing just how offensive it might be.



they dont care frankly
its pretty egotistical
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15. "smh, I think you need to..."
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=moSFlvxnbgk

  

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19. "the joke is you using the word think"
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you dont
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13. "Apparently Touitou has trolled before"
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I would almost give him a pass because of the cultural difference. Maybe his ass is under a rock so much he just doesn't know.

This confirmed it tho:

"Yes, I mean, it’s nice to play with the strong signifiers. The Timberland here is a very strong ghetto signifier. In the ghetto, it is all the Timberlands, all the big chain. Not at the same time – never; it’s bad taste. "

Fuck him, I hope his company burns.

  

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>
>Fuck him, I hope his company burns.

i sideeyed Je suis because of shit like this
that line is SO fine
throwing folks under the bus for a joke, a statement
its not cute
its pretty privledged
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