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SimplyHannah
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"How did segregation impact hispanics, asians and natives?"


  

          

During the Jim Crow era, if it did at all. What was going on with other non black minorities in this country during this time? Were they just able to assimilate? Drop some knowledge here.

  

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I wonder about that also since here everything is black/white
Jan 19th 2015
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ricky ricardo could vote. celia cruz couldnt.
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      ay caramba! *rimshot*
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Well...
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those ethnicities had their own language, culture, etc
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way to not answer her question genius
Jan 19th 2015
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1. The signs said "No COLOREDs". Not "NO BLACKS".
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my latino and asian students have seen these photos
Jan 19th 2015
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I know a 75 y.o. Chinese-American who grew up in segregated MS
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See Zoot Suit Riots
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That is a difficult-ass read.
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'were they just able to assimilate?' lmao lawd lawd lawd
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Research Research Research
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they had their own struggles w/whitey.
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The Unknown History of Latino Lynchings:
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two words: internment camps
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ask an elder. you'd be surprised....
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j.
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1. "I wonder about that also since here everything is black/white"
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by "here" I mean OKP, and America as well
for example NYC. During the segregation era there was a large latino population. What was their deal?
same thing on the west coast with the chicanos and asians.

From what I've read about Miami, it was the deep south back then, and the latino population was negligible.
In fact, most Cubans in the immediate aftermath of the revolution migrated to Tampa and the tri-state.
That all changed with the bay of pigs and the peter pan flights.

  

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ndibs
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2. "ricky ricardo could vote. celia cruz couldnt."
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j.
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3. "ay caramba! *rimshot*"
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what about the chiquita banana lady?

  

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4. "Well..."
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5. "those ethnicities had their own language, culture, etc"
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while im sure DEsegregation opened up all the facilities for everybody...everybody has always looked @ what happened to US & been like we gonna make SURE we hold on to the shit that makes us cohesive & together

we gonna speak OUR language
we will continue doing business with one another
etc

WE didnt have those options

which is also why we are the most singular victims of slavery in the history of mankind


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8. "way to not answer her question genius"
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6. "1. The signs said "No COLOREDs". Not "NO BLACKS"."
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Also in the most segregated places there weren't a whole lot of people who weren't black or white.


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7. "my latino and asian students have seen these photos"
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http://redalertlive.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/no-mexicans.jpg

https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/L27FUmQAylhf56xq7S188zzRo1_400.gif

Non-white groups all caught race-based shit in various degrees legally, socially and economically over that 100 year period. In Cali Asian groups like Filipinos and South Asians were imported as totally exploited labor and suffered from race riots, no women from their countries so if they married they married Latinas, etc. The Filipinos led the militant strikes that Cesar Chavez eventually brought Latinos into. Latinos experienced constant lynchings, which isn't well known, etc.

  

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9. "I know a 75 y.o. Chinese-American who grew up in segregated MS"
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father of a friend.

I believe his history is that it depended on the school district's policy; there were very few individuals outside the white-Black spectrum* so there wasn't widespread agreement on what to do with those outsiders.

When he was very young, he went to the Colored school. His family moved, and in the next town he went to the white school.

I'm not positive that's entirely correct... I can get more details if anyone wants. I know his son-in-law has traveled with him to his last two HS reunions and has done a decent job of keeping track of the family history.




*at least in the school system

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10. "See Zoot Suit Riots"
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Whitey at his finest

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoot_Suit_Riots

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11. "That is a difficult-ass read."
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12. "'were they just able to assimilate?' lmao lawd lawd lawd"
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assimilate into servitude and subjugation, sure, absolutely. just look at the history of these groups during the time period you're asking about, they were doing menial work with extremely limited labor rights and social acceptance for the most part.

and yes a lot of civil rights gains largely if not entirely associated with blacks impacted other groups directly. the result of brown v board, for example, didn't just establish busing and other forms of integration for blacks, it also established bilingual and multi-cultural education for latinos, asians, etc.

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13. "Research Research Research"
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Wasn't no Hispanics in early 20th century. You were white or other. See Chinatown.

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14. "they had their own struggles w/whitey."
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Chinese_sentiment_in_the_United_States

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Chinese_legislation_in_the_United_States

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Mexican_sentiment

fuck you.

  

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15. "The Unknown History of Latino Lynchings:"
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http://independentcreativeservices.tumblr.com/post/91265073975/the-unknown-history-of-latino-lynchings

The following is a summary & analysis of Harvard Civil Rights-Civil Liberties Law Review article, “Law of the Noose: A History of Latino Lynching” by Richard Delgado.

SUMMARY

Delgado attempts to shed light on a largely unknown history of Latinos, particularly Mexican-Americans in the Southwest U.S., who were lynched between the years of 1846 and 1925. This is roughly the same time that many Blacks were lynched in the U.S., as well. While many know of the ominous and horrific fate that Blacks and African-Americans saw in the U.S., few know of the lynchings that Latinos were met with. Delgado challenges scholars and institutions by trying to unveil the truth on this shameful past, while exploring the history of these lynchings and explaining that “English-only” movements are a present-day form of lynchings.

Although research on Latino lynchings is relatively new, circa 2006-2009, lynchings have a deep rooted history. Such acts can be described as mob violence where person(s) are murdered/hanged for an alleged offense usually without a trial. Through reviewing of anthropological research, storytelling, and other internal & external interactions, there is believed to have been roughly 600 lynchings of Mexicans and Mexican-Americans beginning with the aftermath of the 1848 Treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo (this document essentially ended the Mexican-American war, where Mexico surrendered half of its land to the U.S.). This grim fate of Blacks & Mexicans in the U.S. was intertwined; both groups were lynched by Anglos for reasons such as “acting uppity,” taking jobs away from Anglos, making advances toward Anglo women, cheating at cards, practicing “Witchcraft,” and refusing to leave land that Whites coveted. Additionally, Mexicans were lynched for acting “too Mexican;” for example, if Mexicans were speaking Spanish too loudly or showcasing aspects of their culture too defiantly, they were lynched. Mexican women may also been lynched if they resisted the sexual advances of Anglo men. Many of these lynchings occurred with active participation of law enforcement. In fact the article reiterates that the Texas Rangers had a special animus towards persons of Mexican descent. Considering that Mexicans had little to no political power or social standing in a “new nation,” they had no recourse from such corrupt organizations. Popular opinion was to eradicate the Southwest of Mexicans.

Many of these lynchings were treated as a public spectacle; Anglos celebrated each of these killings as if the acts were in accordance with community wishes, re-solidifying society and reinforcing civic virtue. Ringleaders of such lynchings often mutilated bodies of Mexicans, by shooting the bodies after individuals were already dead, cutting off body parts, then leaving the remains on display perhaps in hung trees or in burning flames.

These lynchings took place in the Southwest U.S., in present-day Texas, California, Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado, and Nevada, amongst other states. The killings were carried out by vigilantes or other masked-men, as a form of “street justice.” These killings became so bad that the Mexican government lodged official complaints to the U.S. counsel in Mexico. Given that this region of the U.S. was at one time Mexican land, and it was shared with Indian/Indios, Mexicans, and Anglos, protests against the lynchings emerged. As legend has it, Joaquin Murrieta took matters into his own hands by murdering the Anglos responsible for the death of mythical figures Juan Cortina and Gregorio Cortes. Such acts were short-lived and perpetuated the conflict between Mexicans and Anglos.

Delgado goes on to cite that only some U.S. historians have written about these Latino lynchings and have pointed out that they occurred due to racial prejudice, protection of turf, and Yankee nationalism left over from the Mexican-American War. However, it has been concluded that such lynchings are a relatively unknown history due to a global pattern of shaping discourse as to avoid embarrassment of the dominant group. Those in power often have the ability to edit official records.

Further exploration reveals that these lynchings were not only edited & minimized outright, but were also ignored or misrepresented due to primary accounts in community newspapers being written in Spanish. Since very few mainstream historians read Spanish or consulted with these records, they were left to flounder. Also, many Latinos knew of these lynchings; their accounts were maintained, shared, and solidified as Mexican lore through ritualistically songs (corridos, actos, and cantares). Many oral cultures have equivalences of such interpretations. Today, Latino scholars are not surprised by history’s ignoring of such events; postcolonial theory describes how colonial societies almost always circulate accounts of their invasions that flatter and depicts them as the bearers of justice, science, and humanism. Conversely, the natives were depicted as primitive, bestial, and unintelligent. Subsequently, colonialists must civilize the natives, use the land & its resources in a better fashion, and enact a higher form of justice. The “official history” is written by the conquerors, thus showing them in the best possible light.

Delgado questions whether such remnants of Latino lynchings may still be present in society today. This can best be exemplified through movements to make English the official language of the U.S., forcing immigrants to assimilate to the dominant Anglo culture. Such actions can be illustrated in movements to end bilingual school opportunities and enforce English-only speaking at jobs, businesses, etc. Postcolonial scholars argue that such movements facilitate children to reject their own culture, acquire English, and forget their native language. These actions have far dire consequence, like social distress, depression, and crime. As such, Delgado ventures to say that these actions are an implicit form of lynching.

Delgado ends the piece by saying that hidden histories of aggression, unprovoked war, lynchings, and segregation are corroborated/proliferated today by the mass media and entertainment industry. These groups, along with other scholars, have the opportunity to redress this history and reject further practices against Latinos. Otherwise, marginalized groups find themselves in a position where they are alienated from their family/identity/culture, co-opted, and unable to resist further oppression.

ANALYSIS

Such history is imperative to the framework of Americana and for acknowledgement purposes, not only because it is a matter of fact, but because this history is relevant to the ancestors of the land. History has always been exploited to benefit those who are in power, so to maintain their structures. However, today, I would argue that current powerbrokers would gain more respect & credibility by being honest with themselves and the actual history. Continuing to deny or ignore the history does an injustice to all. Current Chicanos, Mexican-Americans, and Americans alike would most benefit from this restoration for a few reasons.

First, a corrected version of history helps the people better understand themselves. Americans, Mexicans, the fusion of the two, in addition to people of the world, would recognize a better sense of their true identity & culture. The exploration of such history can perhaps allow for analysis of current rates of depression, crime/incarceration, and socioeconomic status(es). If we, the people, want to understand ourselves, we need to know the truth.

Secondly, if we want to understand why things are the way they are today, we can look to history. This shameful past can assist us in the interpretation of Mexican/American relations. Additionally, I believe that this understanding will help both groups reach a common ground with current relations. Since the year 2000 alone, the FBI has reported over 2,500 hate crimes against Latinos based on race and ethnicity. The U.S. is marred with a nasty & stalled immigration battle that is masked for hatred against Mexicans. In 2014, there is a continued, on-going crisis at the Southwest border affecting many children and families. With the history of these lynchings, it is now time for the “greatest country in the world” to make the wrong things right.

Again, we know that history can repeat itself, but only if we let it. Thus, the entire world needs to be educated on the true history of these lynchings. The more we are educated on such atrocities, the less likely we will allow them to happen again. Attacking the access of this knowledge is the third reason to explore this history. Ignoring the disastrous past does not make the history go away. With the knowledge of the truth, the Latino people can empower themselves to conquer stereotypes and achieve further greatness. Most Chicano/Latino studies programs in schools allow students to learn about their past while achieving higher marks. But in states like Arizona, educational officials have banned Chicano/Latino Studies in schools, and as a result have not allowed students to know the true history of the land they currently inhabit. This is not only a further atrocity, but it reaffirms Delgado’s point that current lynchings, lynchings of the mind, are happening today. This is blatant lying and it is unacceptable; when we lie to our government, we go to prison. When our government lies to us, it’s no big deal.

Furthermore, for those who are tired of people of color in the U.S. raising points of contention about racial issues in this country, you now see the justification. This is why we won’t be quiet about racism, racial prejudice, discrimination, etc. This is why we’ll march in the streets for the Trayvonn Martin’s, reject the school to prison pipeline, and continue to spread awareness until administrative action is taken on a grand scale. Today’s generation is a bi-product and reflection of this history; not only are these “lynchings” continuing to happen, but the masterplan has worked. In order to achieve our full capabilities, we need to reject a fragmented history and seek a personal revolution, which starts with ourselves. And we can achieve this revolution through education & knowledge.

Be empowered.

Maximo Anguiano is a scholar, activist, and creative. More works can be found at www.independentcreativeservices.tumblr.com or www.facebook.com/independentcreativeservices

REFERENCES

The Law of the Noose: A History of Latino Lynching. R. Delgado (2009). Harvard Civil Rights-Civil Liberties Law Review, 44, 297-312.

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16. "two words: internment camps"
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17. "ask an elder. you'd be surprised...."
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