http://www.eurweb.com/2014/12/bill-duke-follows-up-dark-girls-documentary-with-light-girls-watch/
There's been a lot of 'Woe Is A Light Skinned Girl' articles in the news the past couple weeks.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/15/light-girls-documentary_n_6474292.html

about to come in here just to let you know you ruined my Sunday.

I think most hate directed towards light skin women is rooted in jealously which is really no comparison to the hate that darkskin women get, when people genuinely think you're ugly or inferior and sometimes even treat you as so simply because your skin is dark and have no problem being vocal about it. So to me this is kinda of reads like when black people are voicing their issues and white people chime in on the " well I was oppressed too!" tip. I could be far off though lol.


This past November when I was visiting Honduras I did have the opportunity to have dinner with this mother and daughter duo from Louisiana. The mom was black and the daughter was biracial. She shared her mulatto woes, and it was actually very touching. She pretty much broke down into tears because she said that she felt like she had no place and she felt ridiculed from both her black and white peers. She also said that she has social anxiety issues because shes aware that people are constantly looking at her and judging her and she's become reclusive because of it. People always asking her "what are you?" before even bothering to know her name or anything else about her. She really broke down, and although I couldn't relate it did put alot of things in perspective for me. Like the girl was only 22 and was crying about feeling like an outcast, and not wanting to even leave the house, it really was sad and I felt for her.

>I think most hate directed towards light skin women is rooted
>in jealously which is really no comparison to the hate that
>darkskin women get, when people genuinely think you're ugly or
>inferior and sometimes even treat you as so simply because
>your skin is dark and have no problem being vocal about it.
>So to me this is kinda of reads like when black people are
>voicing their issues and white people chime in on the " well I
>was oppressed too!" tip. I could be far off though lol.
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>This past November when I was visiting Honduras I did have the
>opportunity to have dinner with this mother and daughter duo
>from Louisiana. The mom was black and the daughter was
>biracial. She shared her mulatto woes, and it was actually
>very touching. She pretty much broke down into tears because
>she said that she felt like she had no place and she felt
>ridiculed from both her black and white peers. She also said
>that she has social anxiety issues because shes aware that
>people are constantly looking at her and judging her and she's
>become reclusive because of it. People always asking her "what
>are you?" before even bothering to know her name or anything
>else about her. She really broke down, and although I couldn't
>relate it did put alot of things in perspective for me. Like
>the girl was only 22 and was crying about feeling like an
>outcast, and not wanting to even leave the house, it really
>was sad and I felt for her.

Yeah but a lot of people from all sorts of backgrounds and ethnicities, feel like outcasts, she may be blaming it on being biracial when it just may be poor social skills or just bad luck/choices in meeting people. We all have to deal with assholes from time to time some people just don't know how to handle it.

I tend to agree with your first paragraph

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Whole tragic mulatto thing. I can understand the "what are you" thing. But are her peers so unfamiliar with mixed race people that it was a social stumbling block?

Also in regards to your first paragraph. I don't want to sound insensitive...but where I've lived light skinned girls get treated like queens, while a dark girl will be considered ugly just for being dark. I must be totally unfamiliar with how light girls are made to feel worthless. To me it feels like white women complaining about society, when they're treated with reverence. It's not that they don't have legit gripes, it's just that they seemed to have missed the long ass line of people with more pressing concerns.

"All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players:
They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts..." -The Bard

the most.

I dated a biracial girl in HS who identified as Black and she seemed to have her shit together.

I know another biracial woman in her 40's who is still trying to play both sides and she is all fucked up in the head. A white man and a Black man can say/do the same exact thing and she will frown on the Black man while finding the white man "cute or acceptable"

It's weird because her mother is white and chose drugs over being a mother. Yet, she always says the Black side of the family is the side who can't "get" who she really is... in reality I think it's because her Black side of the family calls it like they see it.

She was cute and interesting, but she had some serious mulatto issues to resolve.

"All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players:
They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts..." -The Bard

There are many people who can "survive" being light skin or mulatto with out having to turn into recluses.

We've all have a sad story to tell if we wanted to.


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I'd say to compare them is unfair. They aren't the same issues, but they are issues nonetheless. Addressing the light issues should not be a means of diminishing the dark, and vice versa. The adversarial perspective of it is what perpetuates the hurt all around.


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The whole point of the second paragraph was to highlight my admitted dismal of light skin issues, and to add some prospective as to why I probably shouldnt despite my own preconceived notions.

So the poor should be more sensitive to issues the rich face , blacks should be more sensitive to issues whites face, gays should be more sensitive to issues that straights face, women should be more sensitive to issues that men face and yada yada yada gotcha.

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she fine as shit...

i'm tempted to dismiss it b/c i assume lighter skinned women have it easier. and that's exactly why i want to watch it - to learn what it's like for light skinned women to help me get over my own prejudices toward and possible bias against them and their plight. dismissing the documentary seems like heaping on to whatever they're going through.

for the record - i don't have much bias against or prejudice toward light skinned women but i carry some b/c i'm medium-complected Black and that conditioning is strong. to wit, ppl called me 'light skinned' in Ghana and i was offended. why was i offended? my own bias and prejudice.

fuck you.

as an exercise in empathy.

But I grew up dark with two older sisters who are lighter than toast. I feel like I've heard it all, already.

I'd watch this because his name is attached on GP.

But I'm interested in this too. My thing about light-skinned women is "they still black, they still women" so of course they're gonna get shit on by SOMEONE.

the individual stories are what interest me...

What privledges they feel like they're awarded outside of preferential treatment from men. I'm interesting in hearing what they think instead of what others assume they get.

Cause I get tired of hearing about it from other Black people.

And I'm only sharing this because you asked SH.

"You think you cute b/c you light".
Hearing that so many times and worse I would think damn it I wasn't bothering you or saying anything to you...

But I get it. I see where this sentiment comes from and I just ignore it as misdirected anger.

My own relatives have made up stories and damaged relationships
because I'm light and other members of my family are not.

I can't help how I look. I didn't ask my parents to give me more white/light-skinned genes before I came out of the womb. Wtf.

I don't pay attention to the extra attention I get.
Sometimes this is interpreted as making myself smaller.
No, I just hate the extra attention and what it brings.

Some chicks wanted to start fights.
Dudes would make all kinds of inappropriate assumptions.

A lot of that has toned down now that I'm older though.

Outside of Black people? No, I'd have to think really hard to remember a time where it had any affect on how the world treated me.
I'm Black until I get around certain Black people.

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she went through hell in HS in Alabama...

In order to counteract negative attention?



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>Cause I get tired of hearing about it from other Black
>people.
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>And I'm only sharing this because you asked SH.

Black ppl are definitely hung up skin color, no doubt about that.



>"You think you cute b/c you light".
>Hearing that so many times and worse I would think damn it I
>wasn't bothering you or saying anything to you...

Jealousy.

>But I get it. I see where this sentiment comes from and I just
>ignore it as misdirected anger.
>
>My own relatives have made up stories and damaged
>relationships
>because I'm light and other members of my family are not.

Im curious to hear more about this if you don't mind. It's enough that ppl have to endure bulllshit from outside parties, but from fam too I can't imagine the amount of psychological damage that, that could potentially inflict.


>I can't help how I look. I didn't ask my parents to give me
>more white/light-skinned genes before I came out of the womb.
>Wtf.
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>I don't pay attention to the extra attention I get.
>Sometimes this is interpreted as making myself smaller.
>No, I just hate the extra attention and what it brings.

Has this affected your dating life, if so how?


>Some chicks wanted to start fights.
>Dudes would make all kinds of inappropriate assumptions.
>
>A lot of that has toned down now that I'm older though.
>
>Outside of Black people? No, I'd have to think really hard to
>remember a time where it had any affect on how the world
>treated me.
>I'm Black until I get around certain Black people.

This is exactly what majority of my light skinned friends say in terms of dealing with black people vs everyone else.

>
>In order to counteract negative attention?

Yes. From what I wore to how many times I spoke on something.
I can sense when I am getting superficial attention or treatment because of how I look and just act accordingly.
Now that I'm getting past that high-school phase of young adult
dating life, this hasn't been much of an issue as before.

>>My own relatives have made up stories and damaged
>>relationships
>>because I'm light and other members of my family are not.

Basically my aunts told my older half-siblings that my darker parent
got with my lighter parent for better looking kids and that my
darker parent didn't really want them.
What kind of shit is that to say to someone?

To this day I don't get along with my older siblings.
Not for lack of trying, but the off-color comments I would get
when I would visit because I'm so "high-yellow".

Luckily my parents aren't color-struck and don't say things like good/pretty hair or value someone because they are lighter.

>Has this affected your dating life, if so how?

By closing off a lot of people and the unwanted attention,
I come off as arrogant or snobby. Another light-skinned stereotype.
I watch for dudes who have a history of dating light-skinned/white girls and avoid dating them.
I want no part of a fetish rooted in Whiteness being better.

Some guy tried to tell me that light-skinned girls had softer skin.
Ugh. I find comments like this disgusting.
Over time, others have attributed my positive characteristics to my
supposed part whiteness.
Black women don't come to me with this mess, troubled Black men do.

It has happened so often that it is predictable and tired. Some of these Black men out here are honestly fucked in the head.

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'Some have lives that haven't gone the way they planned, and some are trapped in situations they can't stand...'

I mean, we live in society where lighter skin has been considered more beautiful for centuries,
and we are products of our environment. So I think light skinned women have to be
full of shit to say they never felt like they were better or prettier than darker girls.
All the Black women on TV as love interests had your skin tone, and you're gonna tell
me that didn't affect you AT ALL?
The bottom line is this: Most of your issues as a light skinned person are by-products of
white supremacy.
You're hated because you benefit (or thought to benefit)... but you're still Black, so your benefits
weren't really practical unless you were in Hollywood. What James Brown say? All the
stars were light skinned, so he decided he was gonna work twice as hard and do whatever
it took to be a star. We live in that same country.

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The same prejudice you just displayed is reason enough to tell the story.

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>The same prejudice you just displayed is reason enough to tell the story.
>


I disagree, but any story people are interested in hearing is worth telling in someone's opinion.
*shrugs*

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damn near every lite skin woman I dated said they made an excecption because they only date dark skin guys.

and I will add that some lite skint women are bitter as shit because of YEARS of being shitted on by dark skin women and dudes who claim they ain't shit because they lite and know it.

that even those insults come from a place of hurt, of people punching up, so to speak.
It's like a busty woman being bitter because flat-chested women hated on her all her life.
She has to know that it comes from jealousy and hurt, and I bet she wouldn't choose A-cups if given the choice.



>and I will add that some lite skint women are bitter as shit
>because of YEARS of being shitted on by dark skin women and
>dudes who claim they ain't shit because they lite and know it.
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women with big breast have struggles too...

my wife can't wear some outfits that she would live due to her size.

like D said, we all have struggles.

Maybe as far as health concerns but ain't nobody out here making fun of big breasted chicks for having big breasts, and clothes thing is pretty trivial.

this has no bearing on anything in this post.
just stating.

I remember when I was in 8th grade and we used to joke the girl with the tigs...

all I'm saying is it isn't fair to act like pretty women or lite women don't have a struggle.

To support your argument. Tis all.

isn't a struggle?

Thanks, I'll remember this the next time the topic comes up.

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Practice of exclusionism on any side of the spectrum is wrong. Lastly there ain't no shortage of lightskin women or women in general checking for lightskin men.

And honestly im not sure why you would even want to date someone who feels that way to begin with.

As far as not dating women who felt that way? Nah, I have my own set of preferences, prejudices, etc... why should I deny them from "ALL.A.DIS" because they usually prefer dark skin men?

They couldn't help themselves and had to get a piece of the God... gotta give them what they want.

>damn near every lite skin woman I dated said they made an
>excecption because they only date dark skin guys.


Not sure what this has to do with light skinned women and white supremacy, and it
doesn't signify anybody being "fucked up".


>and I will add that some lite skint women are bitter as shit
>because of YEARS of being shitted on by dark skin women and
>dudes who claim they ain't shit because they lite and know it.



I acknowledged this and said it's a by-product of white supremacy. Sometimes, you
have to do the knowledge and understand WHY these things happen. Might you sometimes
have to go outta your way to let folks know you don't think you better than them? Yeah.
It happens. But your high yella ass can't walk in the room thinking everybody trusts
you the same, lookin like a house nigga. It just ain't reality as it pertains to American
history.
And I say this as a Brother who gets called light a lot.
It's doubly the case for women with the whole light skin supremacy thing.

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>dudes who claim they ain't shit because they lite and know it.
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Ion know about all that.

Or hardly at all.

even thinking of watching this. I barely heard about this dark vs light thing until last year and never knew this was a "thing". Is this mostly a down south/midwest thing?

we keep it moving,

tho lightness is absorbed by the majority in this country in a way dark skin can/will never be.

i'll watch and support.

i think it's funny how folks who refused 2 watch it r kind proving one of the points of the documentary that colorism affects light girls negatively as well

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>i think it's funny how folks who refused 2 watch it r kind
>proving one of the points of the documentary that colorism
>affects light girls negatively as well

because these documentaries are companion pieces. Imo there's no comparison. It's like a standing 8 count vs a KO. That's why people refuse to watch it.

Let my love slide in and never slip out

Now, I've tanned so I guess I don't get the "light bright" comments as much, but I do dislike the fact that people assume I have a white parent. Which I don't. I dislike getting called a "light bright".

I don't think I benefitted from my "lightness" where some felt like they did. Though I have had white people be "okay" with their children playing with me (when I was a kid, whereas those same parents wouldn't let their kid play with the black kids that were a few shades darker than me). People made assumptions about me but I ignored it. I've only gotten into two fights in my life and both were because I was "lightskinded". LOL!!! And, yes, I've been fetishized. LOL!

But, what truly got me about the documentary was the part about being molested. Yeah, I've had it happen. I never thought about it being attributed to my light skin but it does make sense.

As it was stated before, just because our skin is a few shades lighter, doesn't mean we aren't black and we haven't dealt with stupid colorist shit!

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The one with the blong wig. WTF hahahaha

Let my love slide in and never slip out

definitely agitated me.

And yes, it tried to accomplish a whole lot without really accomplishing any of those things very well.

But it was interesting.

Decent discussion piece, although I will admit that I now understand *some* of the criticism I read.

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