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Joe Corn Mo
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"so this is where my mom tells me my lifestyle is sinful. "


  

          

"what did i do to turn you gay?"
"do you hate me?"
"what made you gay?"
"this is an abomination."
"why won't you listen to my point of view?"

etc.


merry christmas.

  

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ugh. peace, fam. how much longer you got there?
Dec 28th 2014
1
Tuesday.
Dec 28th 2014
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just tell her "Jesus probably hates you for celebrating Christmas...
Dec 28th 2014
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there is no conversation here.
Dec 29th 2014
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I'm sorry it makes you uncomfortable
Dec 28th 2014
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k.
Dec 29th 2014
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I'm glad you understood what I was saying
Dec 29th 2014
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      that "k" means: fuck you.
Dec 29th 2014
      ok
Dec 29th 2014
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      Lmao
Dec 29th 2014
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      RE: that "k" means: fuck you.
Dec 29th 2014
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      Real talk.
Dec 29th 2014
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           thanks.
Dec 29th 2014
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Calling it an "issue" is the issue.
Dec 29th 2014
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I'm suggesting that she thinks it is an issue
Dec 29th 2014
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You're 100% wrong, right down to clicking "post message".
Dec 29th 2014
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that is your opinion and I respect that.
Dec 29th 2014
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For what, exactly?
Dec 29th 2014
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      RE: For what, exactly?
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           I knew this would be the response.
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                RE: I knew this would be the response.
Dec 29th 2014
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                     How do you know she "doesn't like homosexuality"?
Dec 29th 2014
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                          RE: How do you know she "doesn't like homosexuality"?
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                               the Bible says adultery and drunkeNess is wrong
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                                    RE: the Bible says adultery and drunkeNess is wrong
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                                         so how can I call someone else wrong?
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                                              RE: so how can I call someone else wrong?
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                                                   I believe we a sin. in many ways
Dec 29th 2014
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                                                        RE: I believe we a sin. in many ways
Dec 30th 2014
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RE: I'm sorry it makes you uncomfortable
Dec 29th 2014
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agreed.
Dec 29th 2014
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get hip. quickly.
Dec 29th 2014
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some people choose to hide their sexuality
Dec 29th 2014
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      hide it or don't, it still exists.
Dec 29th 2014
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But it's not a "lifestyle" nor is it a choice tho...
Dec 29th 2014
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      they way you live your life is a choice.
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           You are conditioned so I understand your confusion..
Dec 29th 2014
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                so rapists, gays and child molesters are BORN that way?
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                RE: so rapists, gays and child molesters are BORN that way?
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                he is choosing to live authentically
Dec 29th 2014
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I don't stay here for more than 3 days.
Dec 29th 2014
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i feel you.
Dec 29th 2014
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If you don't mind me asking, what keeps you coming back?
Dec 29th 2014
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      they're my ppl.
Dec 29th 2014
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here's what's interesting.
Dec 29th 2014
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She probably couldn't understand your position.
Dec 29th 2014
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Same question I asked SoWhat: What keeps you coming back?
Dec 29th 2014
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history. i still like her, plus she's not always terrible.
Dec 29th 2014
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      if you love them let them go, if they love you... yadda yadda yadda
Dec 29th 2014
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Have you ever given her one?
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      several.
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           I see.
Dec 29th 2014
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ram dass said it best..
Dec 29th 2014
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yo, all BS aside, that's some fucked up shit to go through
Dec 29th 2014
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i assume youve explained. explain again.
Dec 29th 2014
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hang in there, playa.
Dec 29th 2014
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k.
Dec 29th 2014
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Hmmm...maybe you two should talk about men you both find attractive.
Dec 29th 2014
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what do the bible really say about gays tho?
Dec 29th 2014
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sure.
Dec 29th 2014
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Leviticus 18:22
Dec 29th 2014
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thanks.
Dec 29th 2014
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      i'm a pure heathen can you break these passages down for me?
Dec 29th 2014
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           lol. you made me laugh
Dec 29th 2014
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           nothing
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                ok...so you thought there was literally
Dec 29th 2014
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                     nothing
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           Jesus had nothing to do with Leviticus
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Leviticus 20:13
Dec 29th 2014
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i wasn't up on these scriptures, thank you for sharing.
Dec 29th 2014
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      you're being condescending but thats the first time in my life ive read ...
Dec 29th 2014
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           oh okay.
Dec 29th 2014
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                Ya momma!
Dec 29th 2014
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                LOL, you really are a real catty, diva type gay dude
Dec 29th 2014
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                     Nahh he got a history of coming at Joe
Dec 29th 2014
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                          No, I don't. Check the archives. He comes at me for not being Gay.
Dec 29th 2014
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we need Case on this case. Ted Gee Seal you can help too.
Dec 29th 2014
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I can explain
Dec 29th 2014
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Security! Security!
Dec 29th 2014
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I can explain it to you.
Dec 29th 2014
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k.
Dec 29th 2014
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      Danish Law influenced English common law which influenced American law.....
Dec 29th 2014
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           K...
Dec 29th 2014
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                Does the "K" mean "fuck you" here too?
Dec 29th 2014
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                     K = not discussing theology with ok atheist/bible bashers
Dec 29th 2014
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                          Sounded like he was explaining the bible rather than bashing it.
Dec 29th 2014
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                               Stop trolling and check lardlad tone vs wade and case 1 tone
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                                    Mediating =/= Trolling.... but with that, K to you, sir.
Dec 29th 2014
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                                    Because that scripture is tribal law...and I think historical context is...
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                                         RE: 3,000 year old tribal customs are >irrelevant.
Dec 29th 2014
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                                         must suck for you to be alone
Dec 29th 2014
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                                         You really want to play the moral relativism card? Really?
Dec 29th 2014
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                                         Very solid point.
Dec 29th 2014
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They say what they say. Joe has read them.
Dec 29th 2014
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      can you provide the scripture where you read all this?
Dec 29th 2014
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      RE: They say what they say. Joe has read them.
Dec 29th 2014
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Here's a shot...
Dec 29th 2014
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jesus CHRIST! dont agree with u on gentrification but this shit right HE...
Dec 29th 2014
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that's human nature though. no one would say molesting a child
Dec 29th 2014
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RE: that's human nature though. no one would say molesting a child
Dec 29th 2014
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I stand corrected though
Dec 29th 2014
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smh... Christians gotta understand you're still bound by Mosaic law
Dec 29th 2014
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      Christians are not Bound to the Law of Moses
Dec 30th 2014
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           wouldn't you rather err on the side of caution?
Dec 30th 2014
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                Oh, Bro. That's my motto. Stay right and pray.
Dec 30th 2014
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Here's my response.
Dec 29th 2014
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      It's mostly just that you can't argue with a Biblical literalist.
Dec 29th 2014
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      When People ask, "What does the Bible say about XYZ?"
Dec 29th 2014
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           You don't reflect a consensus of biblical scholars though, so what makes
Dec 29th 2014
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                Your trying to build a Strawman that's already torched
Dec 30th 2014
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                     So you're just going to act like an asshole then?
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                          What you say about me doesn't shape my day at all.
Dec 30th 2014
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                               Oh...so that wasn't you bitching up there?
Dec 30th 2014
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                                    Nope. My name was mentioned and I provided a response
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                                         Might not to do much for your beliefs...
Dec 30th 2014
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                                              You will survive.
Dec 30th 2014
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                                                   see case. that's why i just hit him with the K.
Dec 30th 2014
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                                                        Man. I already know what the outcome will be with that dude and others.
Dec 30th 2014
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                                                        You two are downright fucking adorable.
Dec 30th 2014
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      Wade's response was better
Dec 29th 2014
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           You really need a friend.
Dec 30th 2014
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Sorry to hear this. Peace to you through the holidays.
Dec 29th 2014
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i'm so sorry you have to deal with this
Dec 29th 2014
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damn... that sucks
Dec 29th 2014
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i wish you anti gay/gayness is a sin christians wld back out
Dec 29th 2014
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yep, whether they like it or not the niggas gay...
Dec 29th 2014
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Especially since it's all fictional bullshit anyway.
Dec 29th 2014
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man, look, my life became INFINITELY better when I str8 stopped
Dec 29th 2014
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Perhaps he's afraid to reduce his mom to that level....
Dec 29th 2014
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yeah, i feel that. But what to do when the person you're trying NOT to
Dec 29th 2014
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Word.
Dec 29th 2014
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most families have a shit load of drama...
Dec 29th 2014
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      Lol word.
Dec 29th 2014
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*stands in this line*
Dec 29th 2014
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niggardry levels aside, this post is very telling
Dec 29th 2014
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..
Dec 29th 2014
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Dude, when did you get married?
Dec 29th 2014
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      Gonna take a wild guess and say August, lol
Dec 29th 2014
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           lol
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           LOL.. I'm just surprised.
Dec 29th 2014
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           you was right (c) OG Maco
Dec 29th 2014
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                Real Talk Fam, That's some good news. Sorry I missed the notice.
Dec 29th 2014
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I tend to limit holiday visits to day-of trips.
Dec 29th 2014
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have any of yall tried to reverse the logic on them?
Dec 29th 2014
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      sometimes, there's no arguing with your elders.
Dec 30th 2014
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      I prefer the "Let he who is without sin..." approach
Dec 30th 2014
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I'm sorry you have to even deal with this.
Dec 29th 2014
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RE: I'm sorry you have to even deal with this.
Dec 29th 2014
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      I'm not sure if those two should be in the same boat.
Dec 29th 2014
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           RE: I'm not sure if those two should be in the same boat.
Dec 29th 2014
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                You seem to missing very important parts of the convo, due to your
Dec 29th 2014
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                     RE: You seem to missing very important parts of the convo, due to your
Dec 29th 2014
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                          I hear ya
Dec 29th 2014
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Does she know you...
Dec 29th 2014
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ay yo!
Dec 29th 2014
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      lol
Dec 30th 2014
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*hugs*
Dec 29th 2014
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I'll be your mom if you like
Dec 29th 2014
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That really sucks.
Dec 29th 2014
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Damn, peace dude
Dec 29th 2014
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I had this same conversation with my mom in the beginning,
Dec 30th 2014
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^^^and from the quoted questions u can see their is definitely love
Dec 30th 2014
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right!!
Dec 30th 2014
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Part of it also accepting that may never happen...
Dec 30th 2014
      say it three times already with yo bad self!
Dec 30th 2014
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What i'd do: I'd ask her if she wanted to see me, in all my gay glory.
Dec 30th 2014
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so many people believe this.
Dec 30th 2014
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KiloMcG
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1. "ugh. peace, fam. how much longer you got there?"
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Joe Corn Mo
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4. "Tuesday. "
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I knew 5 days was too long.
we were getting on so well.

  

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2. "just tell her "Jesus probably hates you for celebrating Christmas..."
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... eating pork and shrimp, gossiping, and opening your mouth in church"


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Like there is stupid, and then there is you, and then there is dead. - VAsBestBBW

R.I.P. Disco D

  

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Joe Corn Mo
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6. "there is no conversation here. "
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i came out when i was grown because i wasn't asking for permission.
it's a fact, she can deal with it or not.

i've been listening to her talk at me for 3 hours because
i didn't rent a car.

i'm getting a hotel.


fuck this.

  

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godleeluv
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3. "I'm sorry it makes you uncomfortable"
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She feels obligated to try to talk to you and get to the root of the issue. It is your personal lifestyle choice and you are the one who has to deal with it. She made choices and she needs to let you make yours. Right or wrong. That Is what love entails.

  

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Joe Corn Mo
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5. "k. "
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godleeluv
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33. "I'm glad you understood what I was saying"
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Some people assume I was trying to bash you. I most definitely am not. I'm was trying to say she thinks she is right but instead she is going about it wrong. No one agrees with another person 100%. But everyone should be respected. We all have personal convictions and know in our heart what is right and wrong for us
It isn't correct or fair for someone else to Harrass you or me about how we have come to peace with our life and how we live it. But because this is your mother I wanted to say she means we'll and I'm sure she does love you. So remember that and if you can, try to love her back even stronger and show her that love is a verb also...it is an action and this is how you do it.

  

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Joe Corn Mo
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"that "k" means: fuck you. "


  

          

i know very well what you meant to say.
fuck that.

fuck you.

if you don't understand why i'd say that, fuck you anyway.

  

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godleeluv
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58. "ok"
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>i know very well what you meant to say.
>fuck that.
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>fuck you.
>
>if you don't understand why i'd say that, fuck you anyway.

  

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63. "Lmao"
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prototype

stand ur ground, believe in urself,
believe in love, prepare urself for love, remove the negativity from ur life, and accept the love u kno u deserve

  

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Tommy-B
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80. "RE: that "k" means: fuck you. "
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hahaha, nice

  

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70. "Real talk."
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>Some people assume I was trying to bash you. I most
>definitely am not. I'm was trying to say she thinks she is
>right but instead she is going about it wrong. No one agrees
>with another person 100%. But everyone should be respected. We
>all have personal convictions and know in our heart what is
>right and wrong for us
> It isn't correct or fair for someone else to Harrass you or
>me about how we have come to peace with our life and how we
>live it. But because this is your mother I wanted to say she
>means we'll and I'm sure she does love you. So remember that
>and if you can, try to love her back even stronger and show
>her that love is a verb also...it is an action and this is how
>you do it.


She'll probably just have to come to be more understanding in her own time, but I get
what you're saying. It's really hard to deal with someone who just thinks the core
of your being is wrong... pretty much makes the person insufferable.
Luckily, we're just talking about annoying ideas and opinions presented as fact.
Coming from his mother, I'm sure that makes it extra hard to deal with. I've had
to deal with very similar stuff. Overall, I think your advice is good tho, even tho it's
mad hard to execute.


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godleeluv
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106. "thanks. "
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My mom talks to me constantly about things she thinks I need to change in my life. I had to have a talk with her about how it made me feel. I know she means we'll but it isn't helpful.

  

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13. "Calling it an "issue" is the issue."
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Because it's not.
You're suggesting it's a disease.
That's the issue.
Calling it a "personal lifestyle choice" and having "to deal with it" is the issue.

None of that is love.

"a little air restriction ain't hurt nobody." - BSR

  

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godleeluv
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23. "I'm suggesting that she thinks it is an issue"
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Mon Dec-29-14 08:12 AM by godleeluv

  

          

Based off the original op. You are making suggestions about me when you have no idea how I personally feel about homosexuality. This post isn't about me tho. It's about John and his mom and his right to vent here about the injustice he is going through. One thing I don't do is bash people's moms, because well, that is his mom. I wanted to suggest he show her that what she is doing is not showing love, and suggest to her that if her intention is to show love, she change her actions. She doesn't have to change her perspective and neither does he, but respect should be shown at all times.

  

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14. "You're 100% wrong, right down to clicking "post message". "
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>She feels obligated to try to talk to you and get to the root
>of the issue. It is your personal lifestyle choice and you are
>the one who has to deal with it. She made choices and she
>needs to let you make yours. Right or wrong. That Is what love
>entails.

  

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24. "that is your opinion and I respect that."
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Boogie Stimuli
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67. "For what, exactly?"
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Suggesting that his mother respect the way he lives his life?
Suggesting that they try to understand one another?

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Tommy-B
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81. "RE: For what, exactly?"
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for referring to it as an "issue," for calling it a "lifestyle choice" and for her judgemental, therapist-like tone. she just doesn't get it

  

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Boogie Stimuli
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86. "I knew this would be the response."
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>for referring to it as an "issue," for calling it a
>"lifestyle choice" and for her judgemental, therapist-like
>tone. she just doesn't get it


There's a difference in a person who's intolerant and a person who chooses the wrong language.





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Tommy-B
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90. "RE: I knew this would be the response."
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nah, she doesn't like homosexuality but she doesn't wanna be seen as a bigot so she tries to skirt around it by asking "harmless" "questions." not sure why you're defending it tbh

  

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Boogie Stimuli
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91. "How do you know she "doesn't like homosexuality"?"
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Tommy-B
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96. "RE: How do you know she "doesn't like homosexuality"?"
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just a hunch. i'm aware that she probably doesn't like it because the bible says it's wrong, but that still equates to not liking it in my book.

  

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godleeluv
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111. "the Bible says adultery and drunkeNess is wrong"
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More times in the bible tho


I guess I don't like that too.

  

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Tommy-B
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112. "RE: the Bible says adultery and drunkeNess is wrong"
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i guess not

If you're innocent, be cool.
Only the guilty's catchin' offence.

  

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godleeluv
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130. "so how can I call someone else wrong? "
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I can't and I'm not

  

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133. "RE: so how can I call someone else wrong? "
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you may not call him wrong or say what you really feel, but in your mind you believe that he is choosing a sinful existence. which i guess is fair enough, believe what you want.

If you're innocent, be cool.
Only the guilty's catchin' offence.

  

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138. "I believe we a sin. in many ways"
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But love is the biggest command we were given. I don't look down on one person more than another. I sin. I live in sin...but I know how to love people. I don't see homosexuality in the same way I see murder. I have more of a problem with Liars and people who think they are better than others then people who attracted to people that happen to be the same sex.

I think my lifestyle is wrong tho.

  

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155. "RE: I believe we a sin. in many ways"
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i'm sorry you feel that way, but that is exactly why i say you shouldn't try to offer "help" in such cases. because all your reference points are rooted in the bible and you'll never for a minute consider that what's said in there may not be true

If you're innocent, be cool.
Only the guilty's catchin' offence.

  

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17. "RE: I'm sorry it makes you uncomfortable"
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But the root is that it isn't a choice but she believes it is. Its not that she wants to hurt him. she just can't understand because of her beliefs. But at some point she is going to have to get to acceptance.

dude

  

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25. "agreed."
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And when she gets to that point, she will be exercising true love.

  

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18. "get hip. quickly."
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>your personal lifestyle choice

  

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26. "some people choose to hide their sexuality"
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He has not. His choice is not to hide it.

I am hip.

  

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99. "hide it or don't, it still exists."
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and it exists whether you "choose" it or not.

furthermore, how are you to know anyone you claim doesn't "express" their sexuality isn't actually expressing it in places you aren't aware of? Do you have some sort of power of omniscience you have yet to post about?

  

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105. "But it's not a "lifestyle" nor is it a choice tho... "
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your conditioning seems to not want you to understand that..

and that is definitely YOUR choice.



>She feels obligated to try to talk to you and get to the root
>of the issue. It is your personal lifestyle choice and you are
>the one who has to deal with it. She made choices and she
>needs to let you make yours. Right or wrong. That Is what love
>entails.


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107. "they way you live your life is a choice."
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The way I live mine is a choice.

It seems you are saying we don't have a choice on how we live our lifestyle. Who we are and how we feel we may not choose but how we express it is a choice. And this applies to everyone.

  

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114. "You are conditioned so I understand your confusion.."
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I'm not going to argue whether or not sexuality is a choice because that is a ridiculous argument to have and people who have old, archaic and/or religious-based foundation for their argument can't be reasoned with.

But it's most definitely not a choice.

We are biologically wired and the only choice involved is whether or not to live authentically.

Joe is living authentically.

Period.

>The way I live mine is a choice.
>
>It seems you are saying we don't have a choice on how we live
>our lifestyle. Who we are and how we feel we may not choose
>but how we express it is a choice. And this applies to
>everyone.


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116. "so rapists, gays and child molesters are BORN that way?"
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.

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120. "RE: so rapists, gays and child molesters are BORN that way?"
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you're a moron

If you're innocent, be cool.
Only the guilty's catchin' offence.

  

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129. "he is choosing to live authentically "
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And his mom should respect that

  

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7. "I don't stay here for more than 3 days."
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I arrived on Friday evening and I'm out first thing tmrw morning. The last time I stayed for a week I had a massive fight. It ain't worth it. They get no more than 3 days - just enough for us to wish I were staying longer. But I know better.

Get through tmrw and it's over.

And I'm a fan of the phrase 'we are not having this conversation' or 'we're not doing this'. I use it IRL, not just at OKP.

fuck you.

  

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11. "i feel you. "
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and yeah, we aren't having this conversation in the morning.
i enjoy her company.

but we can't and won't interact with each other like this.

  

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15. "If you don't mind me asking, what keeps you coming back? "
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Is it simply because they're your parents or are there enough rewarding elements of the relationship that it makes those particular moments worth putting up with?

  

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94. "they're my ppl. "
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all of them down there. i go back to see them b/c i miss them.

fuck you.

  

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8. "here's what's interesting. "
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my mom wasnt a holy roller until i got to college.
we used to talk all the time.

around the time when she started going to church full time,
i was dealing with the idea that i was probably not straight.


she starts reading the bible, and researching all the ways in which the gay is an abomination.

thing is, I'd already read and studied those scriptures in depth.
and heard all the sermons.
so i was over it, and was no longer interested in hearing that bullshit.

we grew apart.

cut to now.

she's trying to share these "revelations" she's had about gay ppl.
as if it's new information to me.

as if i haven't studied these scriptures backwards and forward since i was 12.


i tell her i am tired of hearing this shit from everybody and i don't care about what she's saying.

she tells me she had no idea she was offending me when she said those things about the gay back in college.

she says she isn't trying to be mean.
meanwhile she's describing gay people (read as: me) as
abominations. perversions. voids. loveless. Etc.

and now she wants to know why I am upset.



she doesn't deserve and could not comprehend an explanation.

  

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9. "She probably couldn't understand your position."
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That's tough.

fuck you.

  

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16. "Same question I asked SoWhat: What keeps you coming back? "
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27. "history. i still like her, plus she's not always terrible. "
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granted, she's more terrible than i would let anybody else be
without excluding them from my life altogether.

but... she is my mother, and there are lots of reasons i still make an effort to salvage our relationship.

I don't think she's as dense as she acts sometimes,
i would like to think that she doesn't intend to be as hurtful as she can be sometimes,
i feel bad for her sometimes,
parental guilt for my aging, lonely parents, always.

  

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102. "if you love them let them go, if they love you... yadda yadda yadda"
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seriously though i think you need to distance yourself. this will always be an underlying thing even if it goes unsaid until *she* comes to you wanting to heal, and it seems like that will only happen once she can appreciate what it means to not have you in her life.

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75. "Have you ever given her one?"
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>she doesn't deserve and could not comprehend an explanation.


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95. "several. "
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>>she doesn't deserve and could not comprehend an explanation.
>
>

  

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97. "I see."
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Definitely gonna have to see it in her own time.
It pains me to read that the phobia was a development in the relationship after religion became a part of it.
It's like you lost your best friend or something.
Stay up however you deal with it, fam.

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10. "ram dass said it best.."
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"if you think you're enlightened..go spend a week with your parents"

...can't imagine what that shit must feel like...stay up, man...peace

  

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12. "yo, all BS aside, that's some fucked up shit to go through"
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i hope you find peace and not let it get you too down.

  

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19. "i assume youve explained. explain again."
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shes your mother. despite her judgey ways...she loves you in a different way they literally every other human being who has ever existed or will ever exist. help her to understand & alleviate her issues & tell her directly what you need FROM her to alleviate YOUR issues

once youve done that & shes still judgy...show her the love that you want her to show you & wait til she comes around

in the meantime vent on OKP

rinse repeat ad nauseum


does it really matter?

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20. "hang in there, playa."
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i know that shit got to be rough
when your parents be ragging on you
if there are two ppl in the world you think will ALWAYS have your back it is your pee-rants

you want to/planning on having kids yourself?

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22. "k."
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21. "Hmmm...maybe you two should talk about men you both find attractive."
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My cousin and I talk about women sometimes. I mean I also knew she was gay since we were kids...so this might not be too helpful in your situation.


"All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players:
They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts..." -The Bard

  

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28. "what do the bible really say about gays tho?"
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only part i remember about gays in the bible is Lot's daughters in Genesis 19

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29. "sure. "
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30. "Leviticus 18:22"
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Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

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31. "thanks. "
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34. "i'm a pure heathen can you break these passages down for me?"
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i've learned to not take bible scriptures at face value because i've been told jesus had hidden meanings in these writings and many times they go completely opposite of what i was thinking

like when jay wrote "...i got two dishwashers..."
or beyonce "of course shit go down when it's a billion on the elevator"

both went totally opposite of what i was thinking

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35. "lol. you made me laugh"
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What did you think be meant about the rlevator?

  

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36. "nothing"
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>What did you think be meant about the rlevator?


i never gave it any thought
but then OKP was talking about some other stuff
like, not just the gravity affect pulling an elevator down with all that weight in it

but she was really referring to her and jay z's combined net worth

i dunno
i still get confused thinking about it

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38. "ok...so you thought there was literally "
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A million bucks in the elevator...or no.

Cause that would make the elevator heavy.

Especially if if was a million bucks literally. Like that geico commercial.

I think that is so cute tho, you just made my day.

  

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41. "nothing"
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i said i thought nothing of it until GD went at war behind what she meant about that

like "i be drankin watermelon"
or
"cigars on ice, cigars on ice"
or
"i'm a survivor, im not gone give up"
or
"i be riding that surfboard"

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137. "Jesus had nothing to do with Leviticus"
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it predates Jesus. The Old Testament is, for the most part, the Jewish Torah.

You want to know about anything contained within, consult with a Rabbi, not your pastor.

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32. "Leviticus 20:13"
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If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

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42. "i wasn't up on these scriptures, thank you for sharing. "
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i didn't read that stuff hundreds of times when i was little.
i didn't know that stuff, thanks.

  

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43. "you're being condescending but thats the first time in my life ive read ..."
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i was born and raised a heathen
only been inside a church maybe 5 times in my life
that was via funerals and weddings

i didnt do vacation bible school like most
or sunday schools like many

i literally just googled "gays in the bible" and happened upon a wikipedia link that i crossreferenced with biblegateway.com to make sure the verses said what they said

dont be mad at me for trying to seek clarity

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45. "oh okay. "
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i didn't mean to be condescending.

fuck you.


  

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47. "Ya momma!"
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>i didn't mean to be condescending.
>
>fuck you.
>
>
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54. "LOL, you really are a real catty, diva type gay dude"
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ugh

id hate to have to deal with you in real life

i was dead ass serious in that other post you made

'you should try not to be such a condescending asshole'

everyone aint out to get you

  

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108. "Nahh he got a history of coming at Joe"
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"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

  

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113. "No, I don't. Check the archives. He comes at me for not being Gay."
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I'm trying to be cool with dude.
But since I say I don't want my kid(s) being gay,
he start unleashing verbal attacks on me being aggressive towards me.

I still love him and I tell him that each time I get a chance.

You ever notice how as soon as a poster lets it be known that they don't jive with gayness then the gay mafia forms the brigade against them?
As if there is only one way to see things and that is to be inclusive of gays.
It's whatever.
I got gay niggas in my family.
My homie from high school just came out to us a couple weeks ago.
Nigga damn near 40 years old and he came out.

We just like whatever.
I'm lying.
But it's cool that he's living the life he wants to live out in the open.

If I'm in nyc during then in 2015 I might do pride weekend with him.
Show some solidarity.


I got gay inlaws.
It dont matter to me.

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37. "we need Case on this case. Ted Gee Seal you can help too."
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Ted,

What do them passages mean that I quoted above?
Am I taking them out of context?
Is this a thing where jesus is saying "not bad meaning bad but bad meaning good"?

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39. "I can explain"
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Jesus meant if a man lays with a man, don't stick it in his vagina because he ain't got one. Unless he is transgendered, then it's ok.

  

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40. "Security! Security!"
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>Jesus meant if a man lays with a man, don't stick it in his
>vagina because he ain't got one. Unless he is transgendered,
>then it's ok.


Please Renee,

I'm trying to have meaningful biblical discourse here
Dont go bamming up my posts

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44. "I can explain it to you."
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These are tribal laws written by sun baked cultists in ancient Palestine as a way to set their beliefs apart from the other henothiests in the area.

Seeing as how no one here is at risk of being assimilated into the Babylonian, Persian, or Roman empires, none of this shit has any relevance to your daily life. It barely has anything to do with orthodox Christianity. The entire OT might as well be a really long foreword.

"All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players:
They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts..." -The Bard

  

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46. "k."
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>These are tribal laws written by sun baked cultists in
>ancient Palestine as a way to set their beliefs apart from the
>other henothiests in the area.
>
>Seeing as how no one here is at risk of being assimilated into
>the Babylonian, Persian, or Roman empires, none of this shit
>has any relevance to your daily life. It barely has anything
>to do with orthodox Christianity. The entire OT might as well
>be a really long foreword.

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50. "Danish Law influenced English common law which influenced American law....."
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Should we be adhering to Viking customs? Should England reinstate the Danelaw?

No? Then why should Jewish tribal custom be relevant to any of us beyond historical analysis or cultural studies?

"All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players:
They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts..." -The Bard

  

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51. "K..."
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>Should we be adhering to Viking customs? Should England
>reinstate the Danelaw?
>
>No? Then why should Jewish tribal custom be relevant to any of
>us beyond historical analysis or cultural studies?
>
>"All the world's a stage,
>And all the men and women merely players:
>They have their exits and their entrances;
>And one man in his time plays many parts..." -The Bard

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68. "Does the "K" mean "fuck you" here too?"
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Just brushing up on my okslang.

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73. "K = not discussing theology with ok atheist/bible bashers"
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77. "Sounded like he was explaining the bible rather than bashing it."
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Most Christians believe the same thing about the Old Testament... hence them not following it.



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82. "Stop trolling and check lardlad tone vs wade and case 1 tone"
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Lardlad didnt even get into the scripture he just came out trying to write the old testament of all together like it was factually irrelevant or wrong

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84. "Mediating =/= Trolling.... but with that, K to you, sir."
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peace.

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110. "Because that scripture is tribal law...and I think historical context is..."
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Better way to look at it instead of pretending like a bunch of Hellenized Jewish Scholars were writing something that would be immediately relevant to people who don't belong to the same ethnicity, religion, or culture as the people this was actually written for 2,500 years ago.


How is it bashing to point that out? I didn't say the book is irrelevant, I said 3,000 year old tribal customs are irrelevant.

We argue about what the constitution means and those authors were alive 200 years ago. Jewish tribal law was written further back in the past and has even less impact on our lives. Explain to me why I'm the bad guy here.

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And all the men and women merely players:
They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts..." -The Bard

  

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115. "RE: 3,000 year old tribal customs are >irrelevant. "
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wtf you think religion is?
how are you to say someone's 3,000 year old customs are irrelevant?
how tolerant and open minded of you.

you're basically saying judaism or hinduism is irrelavent


that's why i never addressed you in the first place.
i've ready your anti-white post before
now you're being anti-semetic

i dont have time for ppl with hate filled minds




>
>Better way to look at it instead of pretending like a bunch of
>Hellenized Jewish Scholars were writing something that would
>be immediately relevant to people who don't belong to the same
>ethnicity, religion, or culture as the people this was
>actually written for 2,500 years ago.
>
>
>How is it bashing to point that out? I didn't say the book is
>irrelevant, I said 3,000 year old tribal customs are
>irrelevant.
>
>We argue about what the constitution means and those authors
>were alive 200 years ago. Jewish tribal law was written
>further back in the past and has even less impact on our
>lives. Explain to me why I'm the bad guy here.
>
>"All the world's a stage,
>And all the men and women merely players:
>They have their exits and their entrances;
>And one man in his time plays many parts..." -The Bard

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132. "must suck for you to be alone"
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i dont have time for ppl with hate filled mind

Idiot.....

  

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140. "You really want to play the moral relativism card? Really?"
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Have you read the old testament laws?

Fuck it, should we be applying Anglo-Saxon customs too?

Tell me, we're part of the western world, what part of hellenistic pederasty should we be respecting.

FOH.

  

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119. "Very solid point."
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>We argue about what the constitution means and those authors
>were alive 200 years ago. Jewish tribal law was written
>further back in the past and has even less impact on our
>lives.




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48. "They say what they say. Joe has read them."
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That's what he's at peace with and folks should give him his space. Thing is-- as far as I've read-- it says gays shouldn't be in the church, but it doesn't say gay folks can't make it into heaven. It also doesn't say hell awaited those who were stoned among the Israelites. Just like the guy that died from touching the Ark wasn't condemned to hell, but lost his life for erring egregiously, similar to Lot's wife.

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49. "can you provide the scripture where you read all this?"
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>That's what he's at peace with and folks should give him his
>space. Thing is-- as far as I've read-- it says gays shouldn't
>be in the church, but it doesn't say gay folks can't make it
>into heaven. It also doesn't say hell awaited those who were
>stoned among the Israelites. Just like the guy that died from
>touching the Ark wasn't condemned to hell, but lost his life
>for erring egregiously, similar to Lot's wife.



like i provided the exact scripture for what i found?
im just trying to get clarification on the abomination part
and if those whom are abominized are allowed into heaven.

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56. "RE: They say what they say. Joe has read them."
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>That's what he's at peace with and folks should give him his
>space. Thing is-- as far as I've read-- it says gays shouldn't
>be in the church, but it doesn't say gay folks can't make it
>into heaven. It also doesn't say hell awaited those who were
>stoned among the Israelites. Just like the guy that died from
>touching the Ark wasn't condemned to hell, but lost his life
>for erring egregiously, similar to Lot's wife.

I go into detail in post #52. But the Bible says the opposite.

All are welcome in the church by God. All of us in there are sinners of some kind. Lying, stealing, cheating, fornication, murderers, homosexuals. We all need God's Grace. I won't front...people, we don't always live this. But God, and He is who matters, welcomes all in His house, the church.

Now...if you never repent of any sinful lifestyle, you don't go to Heaven. Romans 1:16- 32 makes that pretty clear. And from a sexual immorality standpoint, Ephesians 5:1-5 as well.

Again, post 52 I explain this in more detail and include the passages of scripture as well.




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52. "Here's a shot..."
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Us Christians have done an unfair job of treating homosexuality as some sort of "special sin." I'll be the first to admit that. Most Christians treat it differently than any other sin. And truthfully that's not right.

While I do believe homosexuality is a sin, it needs to be communicated that any sex outside of God's design for sex (marriage) is a sin. That's boyfriend/ girlfriend, one night stand, porn, homosexuality, sex with animals or anything else outside of marriage. The reality is most people (self included) have been guilty of this.

Homosexuality is not this special sin that makes you the worst person in the world because of it. Us Christians need to stop putting that energy out there and singling Gay people out.

In my opinion, any conversation about sexuality must start with God's intended purpose for it.

Genesis 1:26-28 (English Standard Version)
26 Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.
28 And God blessed them. And God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it, and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”

Genesis 2:20-25 (English Standard Version)
20 The man gave names to all livestock and to the birds of the heavens and to every beast of the field. But for Adam there was not found a helper fit for him. 21 So the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and while he slept took one of his ribs and closed up its place with flesh. 22 And the rib that the Lord God had taken from the man he made into a woman and brought her to the man. 23 Then the man said,
“This at last is bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.”
24 Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh. 25 And the man and his wife were both naked and were not ashamed.

So let's put this in perspective. God created man in His image. And gave him Eve because he didn't want man to be alone. He then instructed man to be fruitful and multiply as well as to have dominion over the earth. This is also sets a tone for God's design for marriage. A man leaving his parents and having a wife and the husband and wife becoming a unit. That's God's design for sex and never does he OK sex in any context: gay, straight or otherwise, any other place in scripture.

You mentioned the Leviticus passages below. Let's look at those in context. Here are the scriptures around that passage in Chapter 18

Leviticus 18:20-30 (English Standard Version
20 And you shall not lie sexually with your neighbor's wife and so make yourself unclean with her. 21 You shall not give any of your children to offer them to Molech, and so profane the name of your God: I am the Lord. 22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination. 23 And you shall not lie with any animal and so make yourself unclean with it, neither shall any woman give herself to an animal to lie with it: it is perversion.

24 “Do not make yourselves unclean by any of these things, for by all these the nations I am driving out before you have become unclean, 25 and the land became unclean, so that I punished its iniquity, and the land vomited out its inhabitants. 26 But you shall keep my statutes and my rules and do none of these abominations, either the native or the stranger who sojourns among you 27 (for the people of the land, who were before you, did all of these abominations, so that the land became unclean), 28 lest the land vomit you out when you make it unclean, as it vomited out the nation that was before you. 29 For everyone who does any of these abominations, the persons who do them shall be cut off from among their people. 30 So keep my charge never to practice any of these abominable customs that were practiced before you, and never to make yourselves unclean by them: I am the Lord your God.”

First we need to note that this was written by God to Jews and was a part of Jewish law. Christians are no longer under the law, but there are lessons to be learned from it. As you can see, God doesn't just discuss homosexuality, but he also touches on fornication (sex with your neighbor's wife) and sex with animals at the same time. He then states the reason why: all of the offenses in this chapter are abominations that defile not just the person doing them but the land as well. This meant the country itself would be in trouble, likely because its an acceptable lifestyle there. The sexual lifestyle God planned for us is within the context of marriage between a man and woman. Any sexual situations outside of that, He isn't please with.

Now in the other passage you posted, we see God's punishment for the Jews who commited these sins. Again, we are no longer under this code, but its worth noting God isn't pleased with these things:

Leviticus 20:10-21 (English Standard Version (ESV)
10 “If a man commits adultery with the wife of his neighbor, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death. 11 If a man lies with his father's wife, he has uncovered his father's nakedness; both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. 12 If a man lies with his daughter-in-law, both of them shall surely be put to death; they have committed perversion; their blood is upon them. 13 If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. 14 If a man takes a woman and her mother also, it is depravity; he and they shall be burned with fire, that there may be no depravity among you. 15 If a man lies with an animal, he shall surely be put to death, and you shall kill the animal. 16 If a woman approaches any animal and lies with it, you shall kill the woman and the animal; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.
17 “If a man takes his sister, a daughter of his father or a daughter of his mother, and sees her nakedness, and she sees his nakedness, it is a disgrace, and they shall be cut off in the sight of the children of their people. He has uncovered his sister's nakedness, and he shall bear his iniquity. 18 If a man lies with a woman during her menstrual period and uncovers her nakedness, he has made naked her fountain, and she has uncovered the fountain of her blood. Both of them shall be cut off from among their people. 19 You shall not uncover the nakedness of your mother's sister or of your father's sister, for that is to make naked one's relative; they shall bear their iniquity. 20 If a man lies with his uncle's wife, he has uncovered his uncle's nakedness; they shall bear their sin; they shall die childless. 21 If a man takes his brother's wife, it is impurity. He has uncovered his brother's nakedness; they shall be childless.

Now let's fast forward to the New Testament. Near the end of Paul's life, he wrote a letter to the Church at Rome about what it means to really live for God. Today, that is the book of Romans in our Bible's. In the first chapter, Paul touched on God's punishment for not living according to His (God's) plan:

Romans 1:16-32 (English Standard Version)
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. 17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith for faith, as it is written, “The righteous shall live by faith.”

God's Wrath on Unrighteousness
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. 19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. 21 For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools, 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.

24 Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, 25 because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.

26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.
28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. 29 They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Though they know God's righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.

Many points can be made in this passage. But in the essence of time, I'll say this. Its worth noting that at a certain point, even when we know the Word of God, but don't want to live according to it, God will allow us to just live any kind of way we want. We may think this is fine, but it basically has symbolized that God has taken His hand as well as His hedge of protection off of us. v. 17 says He lets his wrath out on us when we live like that.

Ephesians 5:1-5 (English Standard Version)
Therefore be imitators of God, as beloved children. 2 And walk in love, as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us, a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.
3 But sexual immorality and all impurity or covetousness must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints. 4 Let there be no filthiness nor foolish talk nor crude joking, which are out of place, but instead let there be thanksgiving. 5 For you may be sure of this, that everyone who is sexually immoral or impure, or who is covetous (that is, an idolater), has no inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.

The same guy Paul wrote the passage above. Sexual immorality is again, any sex outside of marriage. If sex of any kind outside of marriage is your normal lifestyle and you never repent from that, you don't go to Heaven. Now keep this in mind...he wrote this to Christians. Meaning even those of us who are in them pews every sunday getting happy when the preacher preaches, may not make it, if we live a consistent lifestyle that includes sex outside of marriage with no signs of repentance.

I could write much more on this and this response is already mad long. Hopefully this gave you some context and filled in some gaps though.


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53. "jesus CHRIST! dont agree with u on gentrification but this shit right HE..."
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that was really clear for me to understand
now i'm waiting for the other two theologians to chime in and see if they have dissenting views

but this here was goddammned beautiful






>Us Christians have done an unfair job of treating
>homosexuality as some sort of "special sin." I'll be the
>first to admit that. Most Christians tread it differently
>than any other sin. And truthfully that's night right.
>
>While I do believe homosexuality is a sin, it needs to be
>communicated that any sex outside of God's design for sex
>(marriage) is a sin. That's boyfriend/ girlfriend, one night
>stand, porn, homosexuality, sex with animals or anything else
>outside of marriage. The reality is most people (self
>included) have been guilty of this.
>
>Homosexuality is not this special sin that makes you the worst
>person in the world because of it. Us Christians need to stop
>putting that energy out there and singling Gay people out.
>
>In my opinion, any conversation about sexuality must start
>with God's intended purpose for it.
>
>Genesis 1:26-28 (English Standard Version)
>26 Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our
>likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea
>and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and
>over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps
>on the earth.”
>27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he
>created him; male and female he created them.
>28 And God blessed them. And God said to them, “Be fruitful
>and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it, and have
>dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the
>heavens and over every living thing that moves on the
>earth.”
>
>Genesis 2:20-25 (English Standard Version)
>20 The man gave names to all livestock and to the birds of the
>heavens and to every beast of the field. But for Adam there
>was not found a helper fit for him. 21 So the Lord God caused
>a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and while he slept took one
>of his ribs and closed up its place with flesh. 22 And the rib
>that the Lord God had taken from the man he made into a
>woman and brought her to the man. 23 Then the man said,
>“This at last is bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she
>shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.”
>24 Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and
>hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh. 25 And
>the man and his wife were both naked and were not ashamed.
>
>So let's put this in perspective. God created man in His
>image. And gave him Eve because he didn't want man to be
>alone. He then instructed man to be fruitful and multiply as
>well as to have dominion over the earth. This is also sets a
>tone for God's design for marriage. A man leaving his parents
>and having a wife and the husband and wife becoming a unit.
>That's God's design for sex and never does he OK sex in any
>context: gay, straight or otherwise, any other place in
>scripture.
>
>You mentioned the Leviticus passages below. Let's look at
>those in context. Here are the scriptures around that passage
>in Chapter 18
>
>Leviticus 18:20-30 (English Standard Version
>20 And you shall not lie sexually with your neighbor's wife
>and so make yourself unclean with her. 21 You shall not give
>any of your children to offer them to Molech, and so
>profane the name of your God: I am the Lord. 22 You shall not
>lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination. 23 And
>you shall not lie with any animal and so make yourself unclean
>with it, neither shall any woman give herself to an animal to
>lie with it: it is perversion.
>
>24 “Do not make yourselves unclean by any of these things,
>for by all these the nations I am driving out before you have
>become unclean, 25 and the land became unclean, so that I
>punished its iniquity, and the land vomited out its
>inhabitants. 26 But you shall keep my statutes and my rules
>and do none of these abominations, either the native or the
>stranger who sojourns among you 27 (for the people of the
>land, who were before you, did all of these abominations, so
>that the land became unclean), 28 lest the land vomit you out
>when you make it unclean, as it vomited out the nation that
>was before you. 29 For everyone who does any of these
>abominations, the persons who do them shall be cut off from
>among their people. 30 So keep my charge never to practice any
>of these abominable customs that were practiced before you,
>and never to make yourselves unclean by them: I am the Lord
>your God.”
>
>First we need to note that this was written to God to Jews and
>was a part of Jewish law. Christians are no longer under the
>law, but there are lessons to be learned from it. As you can
>see, God doesn't just discuss homosexuality, but he also
>touches on fornication (sex with your neighbor's wife) and sex
>with animals at the same time. He then states the reason why:
>all the offenses in this chapter are abominations that defile
>not just the person doing them but the land as well. This
>meant the country itself would be in trouble, likely because
>its an acceptable lifestyle there. The sexual lifestyle God
>planned for us is within the context of marriage between a man
>and woman. Any sexual situations outside of that, He isn't
>please with.
>
>Now in the other passage you posted, we see God's punishment
>for the Jews who commited these sins. Again, we are no longer
>under this code, but its worth noting God isn't pleased with
>these things:
>
>Leviticus 20:10-21 (English Standard Version (ESV)
>10 “If a man commits adultery with the wife of his
>neighbor, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely
>be put to death. 11 If a man lies with his father's wife, he
>has uncovered his father's nakedness; both of them shall
>surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. 12 If a man
>lies with his daughter-in-law, both of them shall surely be
>put to death; they have committed perversion; their blood is
>upon them. 13 If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both
>of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be
>put to death; their blood is upon them. 14 If a man takes a
>woman and her mother also, it is depravity; he and they shall
>be burned with fire, that there may be no depravity among you.
>15 If a man lies with an animal, he shall surely be put to
>death, and you shall kill the animal. 16 If a woman approaches
>any animal and lies with it, you shall kill the woman and the
>animal; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon
>them.
>17 “If a man takes his sister, a daughter of his father or a
>daughter of his mother, and sees her nakedness, and she sees
>his nakedness, it is a disgrace, and they shall be cut off in
>the sight of the children of their people. He has uncovered
>his sister's nakedness, and he shall bear his iniquity. 18 If
>a man lies with a woman during her menstrual period and
>uncovers her nakedness, he has made naked her fountain, and
>she has uncovered the fountain of her blood. Both of them
>shall be cut off from among their people. 19 You shall not
>uncover the nakedness of your mother's sister or of your
>father's sister, for that is to make naked one's relative;
>they shall bear their iniquity. 20 If a man lies with his
>uncle's wife, he has uncovered his uncle's nakedness; they
>shall bear their sin; they shall die childless. 21 If a man
>takes his brother's wife, it is impurity. He has uncovered
>his brother's nakedness; they shall be childless.
>
>Now let's fast forward to the new Testament. Near the end of
>Paul's life, he wrote a letter to the Church at Rome about
>what it means to really live for God. Today, that is the book
>of Romans in our Bible's. In the first chapter, he touched on
>God's punishment for not living according to His (God's)
>plan:
>
>Romans 1:16-32 (English Standard Version)
>16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of
>God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first
>and also to the Greek. 17 For in it the righteousness of God
>is revealed from faith for faith, as it is written, “The
>righteous shall live by faith.”
>
>God's Wrath on Unrighteousness
>18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all
>ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their
>unrighteousness suppress the truth. 19 For what can be known
>about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them.
>20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and
>divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the
>creation of the world, in the things that have been made.
>So they are without excuse. 21 For although they knew God,
>they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they
>became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were
>darkened. 22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools, 23 and
>exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling
>mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.
>
>24 Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to
>impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves,
>25 because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and
>worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who
>is blessed forever! Amen.
>
>26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions.
>For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are
>contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural
>relations with women and were consumed with passion for one
>another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving
>in themselves the due penalty for their error.
>28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave
>them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. 29
>They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil,
>covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife,
>deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, haters
>of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil,
>disobedient to parents, 31 foolish, faithless, heartless,
>ruthless. 32 Though they know God's righteous decree that
>those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only
>do them but give approval to those who practice them.
>
>Many points can be made in this passage. But in the essence
>of time, I'll say this. Its worth noting that at a certain
>point, even when we know the Word of God, but don't want to
>live according to it, God will allow us to just live any kind
>of way we want. We may thing this is fine, but in basically
>has symbolized that God has taken his hand and hedge of
>protection all of us. v. 17 says He lets his wrath out on us
>when we live like that.
>
>Ephesians 5:1-5 (English Standard Version)
>Therefore be imitators of God, as beloved children. 2 And walk
>in love, as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us, a
>fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.
>3 But sexual immorality and all impurity or covetousness must
>not even be named among you, as is proper among saints. 4 Let
>there be no filthiness nor foolish talk nor crude joking,
>which are out of place, but instead let there be thanksgiving.
>5 For you may be sure of this, that everyone who is sexually
>immoral or impure, or who is covetous (that is, an idolater),
>has no inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.
>
>The same guy Paul wrote the passage above. Sexual immorality
>is again, any sex outside of marriage. If sex of any kind
>outside of marriage is your normal lifestyle and you never
>repent from that, you don't go to Heaven. Now keep this in
>mind...he wrote this to Christians. Meaning even those of us
>who are in them pews every sunday getting happy when the
>preacher preaches, may not make it, if we live a consistent
>lifestyle that includes sex outside of marriage with no signs
>of repentance.
>
>I could write much more on this and this response is already
>mad long. Hopefully this gave you some context and filled in
>some gaps though.
>
>
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55. "that's human nature though. no one would say molesting a child"
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is on even par with lying
so all sins are equal is cute and all but not practical
for whatever reason ppl lumped homosexuality into the grosser sin category even though technically it was listed on par with other sexually related sins

even if that wasn't the case i'm not sure how it helps gay christians anyway
the fact you have ppl trying to "reinterpret" dogma that's been standard for the last 1900 yrs or whatever it is shows how mind fucked ppl are and dying to be accepted. even by something that categorically rejects them

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57. "RE: that's human nature though. no one would say molesting a child"
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>is on even par with lying
>so all sins are equal is cute and all but not practical
>for whatever reason ppl lumped homosexuality into the grosser
>sin category even though technically it was listed on par with
>other sexually related sins
>
>even if that wasn't the case i'm not sure how it helps gay
>christians anyway
>the fact you have ppl trying to "reinterpret" dogma that's
>been standard for the last 1900 yrs or whatever it is shows
>how mind fucked ppl are and dying to be accepted. even by
>something that categorically rejects them
>

People's opinion is not going to decide if you are going to Heaven or not. God's is. Christians been messing up Christianity from Day 1.

I didn't say ALL sins are equal. All sexual sins are equal though, as they are called an abomination. Never seen lying called that in scripture.

And I feel you on reinterpreting scripture SPM. It's why its best to read the Bible for yourself, pray about it and ask qualified people to help you understand what you don't get.


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85. "I stand corrected though "
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Proverbs 12:22King James Version (KJV)

22 Lying lips are abomination to the Lord: but they that deal truly are his delight.

So lying was a bad example. My general point though was that not all sins are called an abomination which would cause you to differentiate some.


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139. "smh... Christians gotta understand you're still bound by Mosaic law"
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Jesus himself stated this, to the point where he states that you're bound to it until the end of time.

I love how y'all cling to this. It's cute (but it's wroooooong!)

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144. "Christians are not Bound to the Law of Moses"
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I do understand your premise, but the context is incorrect. However, you could say that we are required to live up to the Character/ Spirit of God's expectations. And while we strive to live as God intended we are no longer under the Law of Moses, nor are we subject to the penalty if that law, since we are now under the Covenant of Grace. So, again, Christians are not under the Mosaic Law any longer, but the spirit of that law has not been abandoned either.

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157. "wouldn't you rather err on the side of caution?"
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considering that all manner of theological scholars disagree on this point, why not err of the side of caution and uphold Mosaic law? Jews do it and they get by just fine.

Last thing you want it to get to that last day only to find out your belief was wrong.

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159. "Oh, Bro. That's my motto. Stay right and pray."
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>considering that all manner of theological scholars disagree
>on this point, why not err of the side of caution and uphold
>Mosaic law? Jews do it and they get by just fine.
>

Jew are struggling. The thing about the Mosaic Law is that if you break one law, you break them all at the same time.


>Last thing you want it to get to that last day only to find
>out your belief was wrong.
>


No one wants to be on the wrong side.


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62. "Here's my response. "
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You can pick me up at Gen 1:1 trough Revelation 22:21 and get the answers. It's all there for everyone to read.

Man, not to be simple about the matter (really), but no one in GD really wants to hear the truth (the deep impacting truth) or take the time (real 'tic-toc' time) to understand the subject that you're asking about.

Sure, I could address your question in great detail, but then there will be a slew of WRONG and More WRONG responses condemning my response, to which I will point to the BIBLE (The WORD of GOD) and they will ignore the facts and attack the person. SO NOPE. Not today.

Oh, how do I know? Because I've laid it all out before and these folks hated every Biblical and theologically sound word - God's word.


The truth is that 80% of the people in GD ain't about trying to have an authentic relationship with the Lord our God (it cost too much), trying to obey the Lord, trying to surrender to the Lord, or even try to live up to the life Holiness that the Lord expects. Most don't know much about the Lord, some have a temporary fixation and a few hate the Lord. So, it's a wash in this place.

I'll let the other "Christians" respond and anyone else that's feeling up to the task of skirting the truth.

How about them Falcons. Jesus!









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64. "It's mostly just that you can't argue with a Biblical literalist."
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You're asking people to accept your premise before the discussion begins.

Why not debate homeboy up there who argued that homosexuality shouldn't be classified as a special sin. At least you're on the same playing field.



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66. "When People ask, "What does the Bible say about XYZ?""
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You are going to get a Biblical answer.


>You're asking people to accept your premise before the
>discussion begins.
>
>Why not debate homeboy up there who argued that homosexuality
>shouldn't be classified as a special sin. At least you're on
>the same playing field.
>
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There's no cause for debate.




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141. "You don't reflect a consensus of biblical scholars though, so what makes"
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You think that your opinions are anymore biblical than someone else who has studied the bible?


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142. "Your trying to build a Strawman that's already torched "
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>You think that your opinions are anymore biblical than
>someone else who has studied the bible?
>

Again, as a biblical question, and you will get a biblical answer. And I'm not comparing myself to any other Scholar. But I will say that I know more than you. Fact.



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145. "So you're just going to act like an asshole then? "
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So you won't share your opinions, the ones you claim are the absolute truth, you won't actually defend your bullshit reasoning for why you should be the final word on this shit, despite never actually making a claim, and then you start in with some bullshit vague ass phrase that you won't explain because you think it sounds wise or something. "You'll get a biblical answer" that might be the most nonsensical thing you've ever written. Talking in circles and shit like a fake ass yoda.

Man, you're a fucking trip sometimes. If you weren't a black christian you'd make an excellent white republican.


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146. "What you say about me doesn't shape my day at all."
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>So you won't share your opinions, the ones you claim are the
>absolute truth, you won't actually defend your bullshit
>reasoning for why you should be the final word on this shit,
>despite never actually making a claim, and then you start in
>with some bullshit vague ass phrase that you won't explain
>because you think it sounds wise or something. "You'll get a
>biblical answer" that might be the most nonsensical thing
>you've ever written. Talking in circles and shit like a fake
>ass yoda.
>

See, you don't like the straight up truth. I never said I had the final word, you did that. You assume a whole bunch and mess and then try to apply and append it out me. Naw. You can keep that rhetoric and gibberish.

>Man, you're a fucking trip sometimes. If you weren't a black
>christian you'd make an excellent white republican.
>
>

How about I just continue the path of becoming a more excellent human being that believes Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior.


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147. "Oh...so that wasn't you bitching up there?"
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Capslock finger at the ready, condeming people for not accepting a truth you can't even be bothered to explain?

Sorry fam, you came off as arrogant and preemptively attacked people for not accepting "facts" which aren't actually facts by even the loosest definition of the word. You stamped out "THE WORD OF GOD" like you're fucking Moses with a straight line to the divine. You're one man, with one perspective on a book written and edited a long time ago. If you're going to make such big claims then don't back down and whine because people are going to be "loud and wrong" when they respond to you...I mean none of us hold the same against you.

Okay you got me, you didn't actually say "I'm the final word", you just implied it in that little bitch fit you threw to kick this whole thing off.

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And all the men and women merely players:
They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts..." -The Bard

  

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148. "Nope. My name was mentioned and I provided a response"
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That explained why I would not respond to the topic of Homosexuality


>Capslock finger at the ready, condeming people for not
>accepting a truth you can't even be bothered to explain?
>

LOL.. You are doing the most.

>Sorry fam, you came off as arrogant and preemptively attacked
>people for not accepting "facts" which aren't actually facts
>by even the loosest definition of the word. You stamped out
>"THE WORD OF GOD" like you're fucking Moses with a straight
>line to the divine. You're one man, with one perspective on a
>book written and edited a long time ago. If you're going to
>make such big claims then don't back down and whine because
>people are going to be "loud and wrong" when they respond to
>you...I mean none of us hold the same against you.
>

That's your opinion. It doesn't impact my beliefs or my sentiment.

>Okay you got me, you didn't actually say "I'm the final word",
>you just implied it in that little bitch fit you threw to kick
>this whole thing off.
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Lardlad95
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149. "Might not to do much for your beliefs..."
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But it sure as hell makes you come across as a smug s.o.b. N/M


"All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players:
They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts..." -The Bard

  

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152. "You will survive. "
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160. "see case. that's why i just hit him with the K."
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he was already foaming at the mouth from his first response so i chilled and let him get his own keyboard all foamy

i dont have time for the nonsense

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161. "Man. I already know what the outcome will be with that dude and others."
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That's why I refused to go and answer the Biblical question.



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163. "You two are downright fucking adorable."
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127. "Wade's response was better"
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it was calmer less judgemental, and less condescending than yours.

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143. "You really need a friend. "
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Then maybe you wouldn't always have something ill to say to me.


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59. "Sorry to hear this. Peace to you through the holidays. "
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60. "i'm so sorry you have to deal with this"
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i hope you can do a shorter visit next time
family is tough

i mean i give a fck but i don't give that much of a fck

  

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61. "damn... that sucks"
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65. "i wish you anti gay/gayness is a sin christians wld back out"
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of the post
see his post #6 and be gone
this isnt a post for debating your archaic bullshit views

i mean i give a fck but i don't give that much of a fck

  

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legsdiamond
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72. "yep, whether they like it or not the niggas gay..."
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Deal with it.

  

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104. "Especially since it's all fictional bullshit anyway."
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Fuck the Bible and whatever it says about shit. I'm a fucking atheist. I don't give a damn. It has no meaning to me. Or any other atheist. They might as well quote the LOTR trilogy.

fuck you.

  

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69. "man, look, my life became INFINITELY better when I str8 stopped "
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caring anything at all about a good 70% of my immediate family, and their opinions.

It may take some time for you to get there, but good luck getting there, for real

EDIT:

also, hotels are an absolute MUST when you're the outsider/black sheep in the family. Been about that life for a looong time now, and it just makes it so much easier. You ain't got to be bothered with bullshit when you don't want to be

  

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Boogie Stimuli
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71. "Perhaps he's afraid to reduce his mom to that level...."
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>caring anything at all about a good 70% of my immediate
>family, and their opinions.


I did the same, but what had to come with that was ceasing to value them as people.
That's what makes it so difficult when it's your mother. You can't stop valuing her,
but you don't wanna care about her so much that her negative opinions of you are
depressing. It's a difficult place to be.
I don't know what to tell him. Some stop caring and then pick the relationship up later.
Some deal with the hurt until it changes (which might be never) or just learn to let
the words roll off and love the person in spite of them.


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74. "yeah, i feel that. But what to do when the person you're trying NOT to "
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devalue, consistently devalues you?

It's a tough thing to do (well, it can be) but emotional/mental self-preservation comes first, in all things

  

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Boogie Stimuli
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78. "Word."
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Mon Dec-29-14 11:20 AM by Boogie Stimuli

          

>devalue, consistently devalues you?
>
>It's a tough thing to do (well, it can be) but
>emotional/mental self-preservation comes first, in all things


Right. That's exactly what makes it so tough.
When it's your mom, doing what's natural (cutting the relationship off) feels selfish.
Like he was saying in his reply to ColdTruth, there are feelings and history there that
keep him trying despite the fact that he would have been long gone if it was anyone else.

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legsdiamond
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76. "most families have a shit load of drama... "
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I would never get a hotel room unless it was due to space...

but I would cut a trip sort in a heartbeat if things werent going well.

  

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Boogie Stimuli
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83. "Lol word."
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>I would never get a hotel room unless it was due to space...
>
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>but I would cut a trip short in a heartbeat if things werent
>going well.
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soulpsychodelicyde
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79. "*stands in this line*"
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I actually put my fam on pause a few years ago and only deal with them in very measured doses (e.g., funerals). So when grandma died and my mom was all 'I need your help to go down and clean out her house' I politely booked my flight (they drove) and stayed in a hotel while they stayed at the house. Just better for my sanity.

  

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atruhead
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87. "niggardry levels aside, this post is very telling"
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many of us still have trouble getting our parents to let go of the reins or just allow us to be complex adults

my mom was here a few days before Christmas, she sent a text reading "thank you for being my son. you seemed calmer" when she got home (the last time I saw her was my wedding weekend in August, I was wigging on everyone and being a bratty asshole)

but yeah, it's hard to reconcile loving people who wont let you be you

  

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88. ".."
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Mon Dec-29-14 11:43 AM by Case_One

          

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89. "Dude, when did you get married?"
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>many of us still have trouble getting our parents to let go
>of the reins or just allow us to be complex adults
>
>my mom was here a few days before Christmas, she sent a text
>reading "thank you for being my son. you seemed calmer" when
>she got home (the last time I saw her was my wedding weekend
>in August, I was wigging on everyone and being a bratty
>asshole)
>
>but yeah, it's hard to reconcile loving people who wont let
>you be you


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92. "Gonna take a wild guess and say August, lol"
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93. "lol"
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98. "LOL.. I'm just surprised. "
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Congratulations..


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103. "you was right (c) OG Maco"
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(thanks Case)

  

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118. "Real Talk Fam, That's some good news. Sorry I missed the notice."
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b.Touch
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100. "I tend to limit holiday visits to day-of trips."
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This year, I stayed home.

Life is already miserable enough.

  

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101. "have any of yall tried to reverse the logic on them?"
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the jesus accepted sinners/you get more flies with honey angle?
in a way that's kind of misleading and hinting that one day yall might be delivurted and not like menz no more
but at least holidays would be tolerable

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b.Touch
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162. "sometimes, there's no arguing with your elders."
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Sometimes.

Not all times.

ANd a lot of the time, I may or may not feel like fighting.

  

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166. "I prefer the "Let he who is without sin..." approach"
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Seriously, of all the laws spelled out in Leviticus, you choose this one to elevate to "worst of all sins"???

Most of your elders had premarital sex, have been drunk at least once, gossip, and in 2014 are probably fat.

But you worried about homeboy 'round yonder gettin it in with another dude???

yeah, FOH with all of that.
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Dr Claw
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109. "I'm sorry you have to even deal with this."
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not being able to go to your family w/o the bullshit is just ...depressing. if I couldn't go home just to have good times with the family... well, shit.

I probably wouldn't be here typing this, to be honest.

I don't think folks like your mom ever get it. and if they do, it's too late.

  

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117. "RE: I'm sorry you have to even deal with this."
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seconded.

it's a shame you have to deal with this ignorance from people you're not related to, but to go through it with your close family is even more upsetting.

my step-brother tried to kill himself the other day because he hates the fact that he's gay and that his parents will never properly accept him for who he is.

feeling that you are being judged and tormented by those that are supposed to love and support you creates a horrible anxiety in people and i offer my full support to those who are going through it.

people like godleeluv and case one obviously think that they are doing the right thing by spreading the "truth" and the word of the bible, but they're really not helping things at all and it'd be better if they stfu in such cases.

If you're innocent, be cool.
Only the guilty's catchin' offence.

  

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121. "I'm not sure if those two should be in the same boat."
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>people like godleeluv and case one

Godleeluv said his moms should leave him alone about it.
I don't know where Case stands on that, but I don't think Joe would be too upset if she
just wouldn't address the issue with him.

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123. "RE: I'm not sure if those two should be in the same boat."
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they're in the same boat to me.

deluded religious people who have withdrawn so far into fantasy land that they believe the bible is the unadulterated truth to end all truths and no other viewpoint should be tolerated.

If you're innocent, be cool.
Only the guilty's catchin' offence.

  

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Boogie Stimuli
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125. "You seem to missing very important parts of the convo, due to your"
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blind hatred for religious folks.
Kinda like you've become the opposite side of the coin of bigotry.


>deluded religious people who have withdrawn so far into
>fantasy land that they believe the bible is the unadulterated
>truth to end all truths and no other viewpoint should be
>tolerated.



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Tommy-B
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126. "RE: You seem to missing very important parts of the convo, due to your"
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shit, in one post i've become what i've forsaken... dark times

in all seriousness, i don't blindly hate religious folk - or any folk for that matter. i hate when people blindly follow religion and use it as an excuse to torment and dehumanise people.

as i've said, i appreciate that godleeluv and case_one are probably decent enough people who don't wish harm on others, but in this instance they really need to shut the fuck up

If you're innocent, be cool.
Only the guilty's catchin' offence.

  

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128. "I hear ya"
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Chanson
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122. "Does she know you..."
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did a lot of shit just to live this here lifestyle?

That you came straight from the bottom to the top?

mind
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131. "ay yo!"
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RE: Does she know you...
>That you came straight from the bottom to the top?

  

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164. "lol"
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124. "*hugs*"
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134. "I'll be your mom if you like"
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You can't stay with me for more than a couple of days at a time, but I'll love you exactly as you are because you're you.

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All meetings end in separation
All acquisition ends in dispersion
All life ends in death
- The Buddha

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Every hundred years, all new people

  

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135. "That really sucks."
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It's shocking how ain't shit our families are after looking at it. I've barely spoken to them in 11 years with some relatives not hearing from me for 15 years. My situation was really abusive and toxic to the point that I had to leave. What's messed up is that's your mother. Good grief that has to be painful. If you want to talk or vent at someone then hit up the inbox. I'm a good listener.

  

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mtbatol
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136. "Damn, peace dude"
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I'd venture to think that homophobia is probably the disease that the homophobic folks claim homosexuality is. Hard to get through to that type of thinking, or any sort of closed off thinking for that matter. Even if it's a loved one who'll "blame" themselves for your "sickness", if not especially.

  

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150. "I had this same conversation with my mom in the beginning, "
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Fast forward about 8 years and she recently spent the week of Thanksgiving with me and my boo. It's hard for people to break ideas that have been pushed on them and it doesn't happen overnight but it does happen.

  

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153. "^^^and from the quoted questions u can see their is definitely love"
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there and concern, i crossed this bridge years ago too and know how that feels so i get where the OP is coming from...but in retrospect i wish i had been more empathetic to the turmoil and confusion my coming out caused for my mom and also hadnt vilified her to an extent during that time (not saying the JCM is doing that but anger can take over)

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154. "right!!"
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I mean, the reality is, if the 15 years ago Quad were to meet today Quad he would be telling me all the reasons I was going to bust hell wide open. And he'd believe that he was telling me this stuff to help me!

  

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"Part of it also accepting that may never happen..."


  

          

and finding peace with it. At a certain point, I had to just let go of the idea that I'd ever have a close relationship with my mom. Like, she knows my SO. She can be cordial and be nice, but we can't ever have a real conversation. I don't get the benefit of going to my mother for advice or anything like that. We pretty much keep it surface.

It hurts sometimes, b/c I see my SO's relationship with his mom and I wish I could have that. It's beyond my control, though. I've extended every reasonable olive branch I can. So, I've had to let go for my own sanity and emotional well-being. It sucks, but actively letting go has helped. It's made it so that she has to make the changes she needs to in order to have me in her life. She's made some strides, but we're not close by any stretch of the imagination. Honestly, I don't know if we ever will be. I don't like it, but I'm okay with it...mainly because I know, beyond a shadow of any doubt, it's not due to a lack of effort on my part.

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158. "say it three times already with yo bad self!"
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>and finding peace with it. At a certain point, I had to just
>let go of the idea that I'd ever have a close relationship
>with my mom. Like, she knows my SO. She can be cordial and be
>nice, but we can't ever have a real conversation. I don't get
>the benefit of going to my mother for advice or anything like
>that. We pretty much keep it surface.
>
>It hurts sometimes, b/c I see my SO's relationship with his
>mom and I wish I could have that. It's beyond my control,
>though. I've extended every reasonable olive branch I can. So,
>I've had to let go for my own sanity and emotional well-being.
>It sucks, but actively letting go has helped. It's made it so
>that she has to make the changes she needs to in order to have
>me in her life. She's made some strides, but we're not close
>by any stretch of the imagination. Honestly, I don't know if
>we ever will be. I don't like it, but I'm okay with
>it...mainly because I know, beyond a shadow of any doubt, it's
>not due to a lack of effort on my part.

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151. "What i'd do: I'd ask her if she wanted to see me, in all my gay glory."
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Because I was gonna be the same gay me no matter what she said. I'd be gay on the phone, in letters, in pictures, in person, and in memory. Gay all day. If all she see when she looks at me is gay, and she has a problem with it the she need not see me. Doesn't matter when it happened it won't change, and I won't be changing it.

Or the passive aggressive method:
I'd follow her around reminding her of her sins and where she fell short of perfection.

Most ridiculous thing I've heard is that my cousin was gay because he spent so much time with his mother growing up. All that motherly love made him gay. I suppose he wouldn't be gay had his mom just neglected him a little more.

People can be stupid, ignorant, full of themselves, closed-minded, judgmental, hurtful, and mean. Yet they are still related to somebody. Your mom is a person and capable of being any or all of those things. You decide whether you're going to deal with her or not. There are a myriad of other ways to be miserable during the holidays. Sometimes you ha e to give up on the idea of a perfect parent and deal with what you've got. Then you have to deal with them adult to adult. Other times you have to be willing to draw a line in the sand and stick to it no matter the consequences. People suck that way.





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165. "so many people believe this."
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>Most ridiculous thing I've heard is that my cousin was gay
>because he spent so much time with his mother growing up. All
>that motherly love made him gay. I suppose he wouldn't be gay
>had his mom just neglected him a little more.

I can't the number of times I've heard that 'he had nothing but sisters, aunts, and his momma, so that why he gay'.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

  

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