http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/21/children-religion-fact-fiction_n_5607009.html

Young children who are exposed to religion have a hard time differentiating between fact and fiction, according to a new study published in the July issue of Cognitive Science.

Researchers presented 5- and 6-year-old children from both public and parochial schools with three different types of stories -- religious, fantastical and realistic –- in an effort to gauge how well they could identify narratives with impossible elements as fictional.

The study found that, of the 66 participants, children who went to church or were enrolled in a parochial school were significantly less able than secular children to identify supernatural elements, such as talking animals, as fictional.

By relating seemingly impossible religious events achieved through divine intervention (e.g., Jesus transforming water into wine) to fictional narratives, religious children would more heavily rely on religion to justify their false categorizations.

“In both studies, were less likely to judge the characters in the fantastical stories as pretend, and in line with this equivocation, they made more appeals to reality and fewer appeals to impossibility than did secular children,” the study concluded.

Refuting previous hypotheses claiming that children are “born believers,” the authors suggest that “religious teaching, especially exposure to miracle stories, leads children to a more generic receptivity toward the impossible, that is, a more wide-ranging acceptance that the impossible can happen in defiance of ordinary causal relations.”

According to 2013-2014 Gallup data, roughly 83 percent of Americans report a religious affiliation, and an even larger group -- 86 percent -- believe in God.

More than a quarter of Americans, 28 percent, also believe the Bible is the actual word of God and should be taken literally, while another 47 percent say the Bible is the inspired word of God.

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Not to say that the general results wouldn’t hold because I've seen it first hand. Still, a better study would include a much larger sample size (a thousand, let’s say) and older students, I’d say from 12-14. Truth be told, I’d say you need to look at 22 year olds to really get a firm grasp on this because many kids rethink shit in a big way by the time they’ve had a few years in college and the world at large.As it stands that study seems incredibly biased from the start.

Further, this really has nothing to do with religion at 5-6. It’s one hundred percent about whatever their parents have taught them since birth, because they really haven’t established their own world view at that point. I’m sure the next wave of neo-nazi skinheads consists of a bunch of Arian 5 year olds who refer to everyone who isn’t white as mud people. There’s considerably less outside influence on a child that age than, say, a 13 year old, and they’re much more whatever their parents have taught them to be than they will be later in life
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That said, I’m not really a fan of indoctrinating kids into religion. My daughter’s day care is becoming something of a Sunday school to my observation, I’m concerned about this. Iit’s a point of contention with my wife as she doesn’t see the problem, plus it’s a relative of hers. I’m definitely deviating further and further from my old faith, even if remnants of it remain with me. In the end I don’t really care to indoctrinate my daughter and would rather see her arrive at her own conclusions later in life.

She’s extremely intelligent and soaks up information like a sponge, and for now I’m just going with it in order to keep the peace, as I see no inherent harm in it even if I don't like it. As she grows older I’ll be exposing her to all manner of information, hoping to help her grasp what is theory, what is fact, and what is fiction.

Cuz a lot of people have trouble with that

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Especially if they're black. We don't want to talk about this though.

With everything you win some and you lose some.

>Especially if they're black. We don't want to talk about
>this though.

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i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

>>Especially if they're black. We don't want to talk about
>>this though.
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i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

If okps don't like te study result, the science is no good... But here you go.

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Sociologist Byron Johnson has marshaled conclusive evidence that Church attendance is associated with reduced crime and delinquency. Johnson, who is Distinguished Professor of the Social Sciences at Baylor University, summarized his findings in an article entitled “The Religious Antidote” (First Things, August/September 2011).

Byron has both conducted studies himself and reviewed the studies of others. An early study (1986) by Richard Freeman examined housing projects in several major cities to determine factors that helped kids stay out of trouble. Religious faith was a key factor. Byron, working with several colleagues, replicated Freeman’s study in the late 1990’s, with the same result: The frequency of attending religious services was inversely related to the likelihood of young, poor, black males selling illegal drugs or otherwise breaking the law. The differences in getting into legal trouble between those who attended church and those who did not were on the order of 40 to 60 percent.

In 2000, Byron reviewed forty studies on the relationship between religion and delinquency, with similar results. The same was true of a review of sixty studies by Colin Baier and Bradley Wright in 2001, which further demonstrated that the inverse relationship between church attendance and delinquent behavior increased as studies grew larger and more comprehensive.

Very recently, Byron completed the most exhaustive systematic review to date, analyzing 273 studies published between 1944 and 2010 in a variety of fields. He found that 90% of the studies “report an inverse or beneficial relationship between religion and some measure of crime or delinquency.” Only 9 percent found no association, and only two studies (less than 1%) found the opposite relationship.

Professor Byron began his article by noting that if the studies generally showed the opposite—that religion or church-going contributed to crime and delinquency—the press would be all over the story, and a Federal commission would doubtless be established to make sure Americans were officially notified that religious practice is deleterious to your social health.

so i dont know about that whole, okps dont like... ish


but... this is not study results (i even went to the website)
this is a description of... i dont know.. things done and said
but there are no numbers, no description of sample design, no description of analysis,
even if it was a systematic review, there is nothing on here to go by
except what this dude byron is saying and hes not saying anything (where.is.the.data?)

>If okps don't like te study result, the science is no good...
>But here you go.
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>http://www.catholicculture.org/commentary/otc.cfm?id=837
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>Give me that Old Time Religion…to reduce crime
>By Dr. Jeff Mirus (bio - articles - email) | Jul 27, 2011
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>Free eBook: Essays in Apologetics, Vol. II
>Sociologist Byron Johnson has marshaled conclusive evidence
>that Church attendance is associated with reduced crime and
>delinquency. Johnson, who is Distinguished Professor of the
>Social Sciences at Baylor University, summarized his findings
>in an article entitled “The Religious Antidote” (First
>Things, August/September 2011).
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>Byron has both conducted studies himself and reviewed the
>studies of others. An early study (1986) by Richard Freeman
>examined housing projects in several major cities to determine
>factors that helped kids stay out of trouble. Religious faith
>was a key factor. Byron, working with several colleagues,
>replicated Freeman’s study in the late 1990’s, with the
>same result: The frequency of attending religious services was
>inversely related to the likelihood of young, poor, black
>males selling illegal drugs or otherwise breaking the law. The
>differences in getting into legal trouble between those who
>attended church and those who did not were on the order of 40
>to 60 percent.
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>In 2000, Byron reviewed forty studies on the relationship
>between religion and delinquency, with similar results. The
>same was true of a review of sixty studies by Colin Baier and
>Bradley Wright in 2001, which further demonstrated that the
>inverse relationship between church attendance and delinquent
>behavior increased as studies grew larger and more
>comprehensive.
>
>Very recently, Byron completed the most exhaustive systematic
>review to date, analyzing 273 studies published between 1944
>and 2010 in a variety of fields. He found that 90% of the
>studies “report an inverse or beneficial relationship
>between religion and some measure of crime or delinquency.”
>Only 9 percent found no association, and only two studies
>(less than 1%) found the opposite relationship.
>
>Professor Byron began his article by noting that if the
>studies generally showed the opposite—that religion or
>church-going contributed to crime and delinquency—the press
>would be all over the story, and a Federal commission would
>doubtless be established to make sure Americans were
>officially notified that religious practice is deleterious to
>your social health.
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i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

Good enough. If you're a scientists and want actual scholarly data why don't you contact the guy. Are you seriously going to tell me you don't know how to do that or you expect thousands of data points in an article that's meant for mass consumption and not the scientific community. Okps kill me. Visit the Baylor website, find the guys email and ask if you want heavy duty data or stop faking like you're really trying to learn something.

>Good enough.

i dont know what a 'good enough' metric is
there are minimum criteria for a study to be considered valid
you cant just say x causes y just because - which is what these folks is doing
thats problematic

there are also problems with the study originally posted

association is not causation

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i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

Going out and getting all that data and the stats you want to see.

>Going out and getting all that data and the stats you want to
>see.


is that a fancy of way of saying you got nothing?

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i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

Nope. That's okay though because okp likes that study.

The way study results are described in mainstream articles are fine until you come across a study you don't like.

And yes if you want a scientific scholarly article and a bunch of data you know how to find it.

But it's stupidity to act like I should respond to an article like the original post with data from 273 studies or probably 3000 pages of data and stats for you to look over.

im asking for an actual study
something with actual data (and not naked %)
its one of the things you do when you have a study- especially one that shows 'causation'
description of sample, description of methods, results (more often than not in a summary table that includes sample size)
nobody ever publishes their datasets

>Nope. That's okay though because okp likes that study.

lol. i also said there are issues with that article. and that article is not a study report
its huffpo.
id call it an oped piece, if anything.

>The way study results are described in mainstream articles are
>fine until you come across a study you don't like.

what bullshit is this?

>And yes if you want a scientific scholarly article and a bunch
>of data you know how to find it.
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>But it's stupidity to act like I should respond to an article
>like the original post with data from 273 studies or probably
>3000 pages of data and stats for you to look over.

stupidity?
you sure you want to go there?

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i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

And university and you are not asking for any of it, because you don't want it. Stop being intellectually dishonest pretending you're curious or want to see it if you don't. And yes it's stupid to go on a tangent about causation when the article clearly uses the word association.

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i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

You're the one who provided an article when ppl asked for "stats" that prove this assertion is true. If you are the one saying yes this hypothesis is true, and stats show it, it's on YOU to provide the links to the studies and the stats. not an article that says "this man read a bunch of studies and found 90% of them said this so that must be true." The article doesn't have any studies listed, no links to the anything, no info period and when ppl say this isn't correct, you get mad. HOW SWAY?

don't jump into shit if you not ready to defend the bullshit you gonna post.

Abstract: http://works.bepress.com/psheaton/1/
Paper: https://pdf.yt/d/THWiTlgHIKcbfZwg

I'm an economist, so I don't trust the empirical methods of sociology. While I was reading the post, I was instantly skeptical of the findings because the degree of religiosity in the community could be itself related to the level of crime.

Simple regressions don't handle that kind of simultaneous relationship no matter how many control variables you throw in. This paper tries to take care of that problem and finds no relationship between religion and crime.

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>www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

the website you posted only says there are numerous studies

anyway, this is silly.

its one of those, i dont really have anything to stand by
so instead i will proceed to insult you.

all the best with that

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i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

To dig into the data. lol at pretending the article I posted is any better or worse than the original article it responded to.

>lol at pretending the article I posted
>is any better or worse than the original article it responded
>to.


i get it now.

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i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

On subscriptions to scholarly journals so I can post some data for you or study designs.

I'll be right back...

I've seen the light and now realize that would be an appropriate response to a huff po article on a rap music bands website.

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fuck you.

You don't have to take the good with the bad. If you're defending religion with a pro/con argument, you must also assert that no combination of activities other than church offers the same benefits at less cost. It's a very hard argument to make when comparing to things like transcendental meditation.

It is important to realize that religious people are always at a disadvantage in serious arguments about the economics of it all; none of their core ideas can really be tested.

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for the folks not buying it, I feel it, no one wants to believe they're hindering they're children with a doctrine they grew up with themselves, but it has to be some point where the childs' welfare trumps the caretakers take on stories/myths


meanwhile, folks are foregoing teaching their children religion & showing them how the world really works, while black/brown children have their childhood filled with teachings that only divide


i mean being taught an epic story that is ultimately not true can be terrible for a child. And most religions do not have the built in safety valve of questioning itself, rather it demands the opposite

are real
setting your kids back for the sake of acceptance
bad parenting
religion applies too but neither me or any of my friends are religious so don't really apply

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that speaks fear into the core of an adult, even moreso a child



the tooth fairy and santa doesnt presnet this problem


aslo, people arent killing in the name of the tooth fairy and santa except during black friday and christmas eve

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"America, stop turning our Court Houses of Justice into Dens for Justified Murderers."

Don't you have some fairy tales to read?

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"America, stop turning our Court Houses of Justice into Dens for Justified Murderers."

But you have lots of experience believing things that aren't true.

due to lack of critical thinking. A child that was reared outside of religion would have an easier time decipher fact from fiction than someone reared in religion


the first child can learn by proof while the latter has to take a story and imagine it to be proof. that is problematic for a child, much less an adult

>due to lack of critical thinking. A child that was reared
>outside of religion would have an easier time decipher fact
>from fiction than someone reared in religion
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>the first child can learn by proof while the latter has to
>take a story and imagine it to be proof. that is problematic
>for a child, much less an adult



Provide the proof without any margin of error.


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"America, stop turning our Court Houses of Justice into Dens for Justified Murderers."

and a child who grew up in islam will most likely retain those views.

now


lets say you are given the opportunity teach him that something in the koran is impossible, like having muhammad remember the whole koran.


He believes this tale, but you know it to be false. Why cant he see this to be untrue?


Is it his faith? Or his inability to believe you are telling him the truth?

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i didnt expect you to tackle that.

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"America, stop turning our Court Houses of Justice into Dens for Justified Murderers."

instead you do the opposite of what jesus said



i know you feel good about that

>Provide the proof without any margin of error.

all proof comes with a margin of error

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i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

It doesn't even need to be related to religion. If a bunch of seemingly impossible events are said to be true, it expands the limits of what a kid believes is possible.

If you have a kid believe Charlotte's Web is a true story, then when someone tells them a horse is talking they are more likely to believe it. Even though all of their life experiences thus far tell them it can't be true.

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Provide evidence with no margin of error.

or hell, adults and most domestic network news broadcasts

And I ain't religious at all, but this rush to discredit/dismiss humanity's interest in the fantastic is pretty wrongheaded, IMO

and critical thinking is dimmed, proven by the many adults that take the bible/koran literally tho literal translations have been discarded long ago

A pretty big oversimplification, lol. I don't think self-loathing is that big of a part of people's pull towards the divine.

In any event tho', all these stories (legends, myths, epics, sagas, religious tales) all serve a purpose in the human experience and always will.

And that's a beautiful thing IMO

As a matter of fact, the after life is what draws the fear, also known as 'Love for God'



fact of the matter is that people dont really love god, they just dont want to burn in hell.


but given the narrative that is taught from childhood, they call on faith when real answers cannot be given. Its how the police mentally dance around with their acts of brutality and justifying it with the law

but we also do Santa, so people in glass houses...

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Everything looks like Oprah kissing Harvey Weinstein these days

who were obviously doing it very wrong (if at all). I don't recall Jesus ever saying anything close to "slaughter scores of men, women, and children for my name's sake".

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Everything looks like Oprah kissing Harvey Weinstein these days

yeah you played yourself.


no worries tho, no one expects you to come up with anything relevant in these types of discussions. we expect it so *yeezy shrug*

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I find Atheism to be a ironic and interesting set of beliefs.

Even atheists place value on the idea of god, simply by rejecting it.

You cannot be an atheist without god. God is essential to the belief structure. If Atheism was a mathematical formula, god would represent 0, or X. Still part of the equation.

It is best not to take any labels at all.

However, my point is, that religion as given to us by the indigenous people, as well as key figure heads such as Mohammad and Christ was a good thing. It is juts as good / evil / corrupting as finance, or politics. The tool is not the problem, it is rather what man has done with these tools.

Religion was founded on the laws observed in nature. When man over fished the rivers, he hurt the eco system and the village down the river, and thus he learned to have ethics, morals, and standards which promote the greatest good. That is the foundation of all religion. It was man's hope to commune with nature.

The earliest symbols of god/religion was a stone, then animal spirits (totem poles), and finally the stone, eventually took the shape of a man, and this is exactly where man lost his way. Once god took human form, we began to suffer from a hubris that still controls us. This is why people believe they can kill in the name of god.

Today's religions are useless. They offer nothing except fear, guilt, and the inability to experience and experiment with life. That being said, I have met alternative christians and muslims which have a far more advanced look on divinity than their mainstream counterparts.

where did you get these ideas about atheism from?
why do you state them as if they were true?

talking about what atheists believe. I even had one self-proclaimed atheist tell me that there was, in fact an atheist belief system.

Atheists simply do not believe in God.

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>Atheists simply do not believe in God.


That right there is ironic of you to say, because you cannot be an Atheist without calling god into question. Not believing or believing in something doesn't make any less real as a concept. Simply by making that statement you evoke it's "being".

It's a very simple concept.

The absence of air is not air.
Your world is so god centric that everything is measured by that...
It doesn't mean everyone else is that way.
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