that other thread is a monster...

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much of it is legal...

most of it is ethically questionable...

an appropriate amount of it is illegal

i know 40 year old men who only pursue barely legals...they are gross and they are predators...but they conveniently escape the serial rapist label

i don't think cosby is them...

though many of them, and probably some of yall rely on alcohol and drugs, or seek out "easy targets"...yall and them aren't celebs...i think there is a huge benefit to accusing him of rape bc he is a celeb and a very polarizing one at that

i think the cos is guilty of crossing the legal line...i'm not certain each accusation is one of those cases

it took one accusation to bring them all out...and i think it's false to say they have no reason to lie just like i think it's false to say he has no reason to rape just like i think it's false that ANY woman who willingly goes back to her rapist is lying...

i feel like...JD despite her "craziness" has less of a reason to lie than say someone who did continue to have a relationship with him past the alleged rape...i do think their are some flaws in her story but i don't think they undermine her story enough to "defend" Cos

i very well could be guilty of a bias...but i'd have the same (or more) bias if these accusers were men which doesn't make it any better obviously

but yea...i do think he's guilty of enough of these crimes to be indefensible...but not enough to call him a serial rapist just yet

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I remember hearing about Spanish Fly in Jr High or Grade school but at the time I had no clue we were discussing how to rape a woman.

>I remember hearing about Spanish Fly in Jr High or Grade
>school but at the time I had no clue we were discussing how to
>rape a woman.

Spanish Fly has long been a mythical, fascinating subject for teenage boys.

I don't know if kids still talk about it but I know when I was a teen we all wanted to get our hands on it. None of us had any idea of what it looked like, how it worked, what the effects were... all we knew is that it was supposed to make a girl have sex with you and that's what made the idea of it exciting.

That's exactly what Cosby's comedy bit was about. How he grew up wondering what the fuck this shit was, so much that when he went to Spain he wanted to find out (and so did Bob Culp)... only for him to get there and realize that Spanish men were just as fascinated and ignorant about it.

it's a pretty innocent comedy bit about how weirded out and clueless young men are about sex but everybody's got to view through the rape-tinted glasses to make it about some shit that it's not.

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but yea...a lot is just being repeated #TEAMUS style as usual

abby and luvlee have brought up great points i think

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going on.

but this unveiling of afkap is interesting.

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>but this unveiling of afkap is interesting.

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world view is interesting

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That is, just based on what I have said here... could you give me some idea of the impression you've gotten of my values.

I'm really interested. Because I know that the stuff I'm talking about entails a serious risk of coming off wrong, but I'd like to know exactly how "wrong" I might be coming off.

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I kinda look at it like one of those situations... like how most of us got whupped by our parents growing up. That was just something that happened back then. Well-meaning parents did it because it's what their parents did and their grandparents did, and everybody thought that was just the way life worked.

Today, in 2014, the current thinking is that beating a child with a switch is abuse.

Alright... we know better. We're not gonna beat kids no more going forward.

But it gets tricky when you have people who grew up in the 70s suddenly deciding that they were abused by their parents. I'm not talking about people who were genuinely abused... I mean, people who just got standard-issue whuppings and are now looking at the past through the eyes of the present.

(An example of this is the way people are reacting to Cosby's old "Spanish fly" routine which is perfectly innocent in its own context, imho... but when you cast the light on the present on it, it takes on a new shape)

And since we're slinging around psychological studies, there are plenty of studies about this... about how suggestible the brain is to creating new memories or new interpretations of old memories when introduced to new information.

Again: I'm not trying to denigrate these women. If they have truly spent the last few decades traumatized by their contact with Cos, I sincerely feel for them. They deserve to be heard. They deserve to be healed.

But there's something about the hysterical tone of this narrative that bugs me a little.

As I've said, it's more than just about Cos. It's a cultural, systematic thing... But of course, we can't indict a bygone culture. We need a human face to pin it on.

Even if Cos did these things, it's not like he was just this unique rapist going around acting like this. I bet ya if Cos goes down, it's a matter of time before other names start popping up, other big Hollywood stars and producers of the 60s, 70s and 80s. It was a way of life then. Hollywood was and is a rough town, especially for pretty young women. Maybe that needs to happen, maybe all this dirty, filthy shit needs to be exposed to the world... I dunno.

(I AM NOT APOLOGIZING FOR THIS KIND OF BEHAVIOR BY ANY MEANS)

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>As I've said, it's more than just about Cos. It's a cultural
>thing... But of course, we can't indict a bygone culture. We
>need a human face to pin it on.
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>Even if Cos did these things, it's not like he was just this
>unique rapist going around acting like this. I bet ya if Cos
>goes down, it's a matter of time before other names start
>popping up, other big Hollywood stars and producers of the
>60s, 70s and 80s. It was a way of life then. Hollywood was and
>is a rough town, especially for pretty young women. Maybe that
>needs to happen, maybe all this dirty, filthy shit needs to be
>exposed to the world... I dunno.

don't know where to start with this

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