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louie_depalma
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"I Can't Support Hillary Clinton"


          

I know for a lot of people it's "her turn" but I think a vote for Hillary is a vote for politics as usual. I can't forget about everything that happened during the 2008 campaign or everything that happened during the Clinton years. She just seems like a really slimy character and I'm not even concerned as much about benghazi or her claims of being broke.

All Hillary cheering makes me wanna vomit. Obama supporters didn't really get a lot of change with his administration. He's basically been in bed with big banks, hasn't done much on issues of race, hasn't been an honest broker on mideast peace, high speed rail has gone nowhere, patriot act is on steroids and not much happening on the new energy front. Still I'd rather go in a direction of change than with a Hillary ticket. I definitely wouldn't vote for her and I'd seriously consider actively supporting a third party candidate.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/02/11/msnbcs_krystal_ball_to_hillary_clinton_dont_run.html#ooid=RubmltazpOLBQo0OrKM05hQxETgZweEl

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLK7zktQpTY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ur4EZSVazdk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MtJszXF334

  

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#TeamDeval
Jul 05th 2014
1
Two light skinned negro presidents in a row? I reckon not.
Jul 05th 2014
2
a brother can dream! plus this one actually has exec experience.
Jul 05th 2014
5
      yea that's a real pipe dream man.
Jul 06th 2014
19
           we'll get president Rand Paul before we get president Hilary Clinton
Jul 06th 2014
29
                k
Jul 06th 2014
30
I'm intrigued, tell me more.
Jul 05th 2014
3
LOL
Jul 06th 2014
18
Born raised south side of Chicago too.
Jul 06th 2014
24
okaypolitics just seems to be the same shit over and over and over...
Jul 05th 2014
4
FIXED: politics just seems to be the same shit over and over and over...
Jul 06th 2014
21
Folks here cried about the knocking down of part of the Civil Rights
Jul 05th 2014
6
EXACTLY!
Aug 11th 2014
102
supreme court
Jul 05th 2014
7
i pretty much agree with you, though i care less and less
Aug 10th 2014
80
a really slimy character? just her, right?
Jul 05th 2014
8
Name names
Jul 05th 2014
9
      Easy to argue we can do better without naming alternatives
Jul 06th 2014
35
      I wasn't asked to name alternatives...
Jul 06th 2014
43
      For starters, this list: http://www.politics1.com/p2016.htm
Mar 16th 2015
166
I can't support this post.
Jul 05th 2014
10
yeah pres obama really aint done shit...
Jul 05th 2014
11
Never said that, stay focused
Jul 05th 2014
12
      You offered a lopsided view of his presidency.
Jul 06th 2014
36
           it's been pretty terrible.
Jul 06th 2014
40
                What you mean is that you are unable to debate.
Jul 06th 2014
41
                     It's not a lopsided view, he campaigned on CHANGE
Jul 06th 2014
44
                          .
Jul 07th 2014
56
I just want to see if there's one person worth voting for, period.
Jul 05th 2014
13
someone said she's the dem's romney. i feel meh on it but supreme court.
Jul 05th 2014
14
This nigga said high speed rail lol.
Jul 05th 2014
15
People forget how Obama promoted himself as an innovator
Jul 06th 2014
17
Are you arguing that he was not innovative?
Jul 06th 2014
37
Outside of PRISM he is NOT innovating
Jul 06th 2014
45
      because Obama created the NSA. STFU
Jul 07th 2014
71
           Obama is the patriot act on steroids
Aug 11th 2014
104
high speed rail hasn't gone anywhere because it's a foolish idea
Aug 10th 2014
81
      u still didnt describe why HSR is foolish in ur reply?
Aug 11th 2014
100
           Right? I'll wait....
Aug 11th 2014
103
                $500 Billion investment in what?
Aug 12th 2014
116
                     I see people are just leaping to HSR's defense lol
Aug 14th 2014
135
                     Wow, still no rebuttal I see
Apr 10th 2015
228
I got a kick out of that too, lol
Mar 16th 2015
217
You're right, Hillary is banking on people forgeting how
Jul 05th 2014
16
most people did forget that. almost immediately
Jul 06th 2014
33
"politics as usual" as opposed to what, exactly, though?
Jul 06th 2014
20
You think it's unreasonable to ask POTUS to deliver on promises?
Jul 06th 2014
31
      So we're to try the soul of Barack Obama in this post?
Jul 06th 2014
38
           Nope Hillary's soul. Stay focused.
Jul 06th 2014
46
If it makes you happy..
Jul 06th 2014
22
lmao....edward klein is about as credible as kitty kelley.
Jul 06th 2014
23
Hoping Warren throws her hat in the ring
Jul 06th 2014
32
      Why do you think Warren would do better?
Jul 06th 2014
39
           Better than Billary?
Aug 11th 2014
105
Didn't she back out from her position as Secretary of State?
Jul 06th 2014
25
no, she didn't "back out."
Jul 06th 2014
26
      Okay, this was said in jest but okay
Jul 06th 2014
27
           lol i kinda figured that but i hit "Post message" anyway
Jul 06th 2014
28
let's all not vote.
Jul 06th 2014
34
Been there
Jul 06th 2014
47
We need a mass exodus to a third party..
Jul 06th 2014
42
I'm with this
Jul 06th 2014
48
That's the tea party
Jul 06th 2014
50
Draft Elizabeth Warren
Jul 06th 2014
52
Vote AGAINST the greater of two evils
Jul 06th 2014
49
If you're fucked you're fucked
Jul 07th 2014
53
      AL Gore got 500,000 MORE VOTES THAN Bush
Jul 07th 2014
60
      Moral vicrories are for minor league coaches
Jul 07th 2014
63
      No
Aug 15th 2014
147
           What did bush/cheney do that obama/clinton didn't?
Aug 15th 2014
148
Brian Schweitzer
Jul 06th 2014
51
I'm not a fan of Hillary
Jul 07th 2014
54
I'm interested to see what the rest of the dem field has to offer but
Jul 07th 2014
55
nobody's mounting a serious campaign against hillary.
Jul 07th 2014
59
      Just like it was hers to win in 2007.
Aug 13th 2014
131
no matter who's next, we're screwed
Jul 07th 2014
57
in the general election i'm voting for whomever wins the Dem primary.
Jul 07th 2014
58
The democratic primary is the real fight
Jul 07th 2014
61
i hope so.
Jul 07th 2014
64
Tell that to 2010 and 2014.
Jul 07th 2014
66
This is me.
Aug 11th 2014
89
For the first time in history, the Speaker is *suing* the President
Jul 07th 2014
62
LOL I'm complaining about innovation
Jul 07th 2014
65
      ...and why didn't those proposals pan out, boys and girls?
Jul 07th 2014
67
      None of it panned out,
Jul 07th 2014
68
      but obama is supposed to MAKE congress do what he wants!
Jul 07th 2014
70
      seriously. re: high speed rail, clean energy, green jobs
Jul 07th 2014
69
      you're also in Ohio, right?
Aug 11th 2014
93
           Plenty of states didn't do that
Aug 11th 2014
106
                I can imagine it.... that would be awesome for so many of us
Aug 15th 2014
150
Nah I'm team Hillary, I'm ready for a dem president
Jul 07th 2014
72
Now that Hillary's thrown Obama under the bus
Aug 10th 2014
73
i'm voting for the Democrat in the gen election.
Aug 10th 2014
74
same here..op et. al. need to gtfoh
Aug 10th 2014
75
      Folks gotta quit giving the vote to the Dems...make them earn it
May 18th 2015
235
What did she say?
Aug 10th 2014
76
i live in Illinois so i'm not terribly worried either.
Aug 10th 2014
77
RE: What did she say?
Aug 10th 2014
83
*shrug* i completely expect this
Aug 10th 2014
78
i do too.
Aug 10th 2014
79
She's just positioning herself
Aug 10th 2014
82
join your local Green Party. we're gearing up for '16 now
Aug 11th 2014
84
Like when they ran cynthia mckinney?
Aug 11th 2014
85
oh we holding history against organizations now?
Aug 11th 2014
87
There will never be a viable 3rd Party in the United States of America
Aug 11th 2014
86
So if you want to live in fairy tale land, join the GP?
Aug 11th 2014
88
how will you make it if you never even try? - Nas
Aug 11th 2014
97
      Didn't ceelo say that?
Aug 11th 2014
107
           Fk if I know I stopped listening to rap for real when Pac died nm
Aug 11th 2014
Green Party is a joke nationally. You shoulda been here in 2010.
Aug 11th 2014
91
get in now on the ground floor, dog I'm telling you.
Aug 11th 2014
96
      Man, shut up LOL
Aug 11th 2014
114
building the GP locally isn't a bad idea
Aug 11th 2014
98
Dude
Aug 11th 2014
111
I really want the GP to come up but....
Apr 10th 2015
229
I'm voting with my nose pinched.
Aug 11th 2014
90
I'm holding my nose, she's garbage
Aug 11th 2014
92
Right!!? Her speeches at AIPAC alone..
Aug 11th 2014
108
the beauty of the lesser of two evils
Aug 11th 2014
112
      ::: sigh ::: Very chrue
Aug 11th 2014
113
Supreme Court. I got that gas mask ready.
Aug 11th 2014
94
Who is going to make the SCOTUS liberal
Aug 11th 2014
95
fukkin nobody, but i guess in a shades of white way, she is.
Aug 11th 2014
99
It'll be interesting to see if Ginsburg steps down
Aug 11th 2014
101
      Ginsburg is dying in that seat
Aug 11th 2014
109
           I think so too. But it's scary if Romney, Perry or another Bush win
Aug 11th 2014
110
MoveOn Reacts To Hillary Clinton's Comments
Aug 12th 2014
115
so does that mean MoveOn is gonna support Rand Paul?
Aug 12th 2014
124
      They'll be able to mobilize for the primary
Aug 12th 2014
125
I'm not a fan either, hopefully somebody else steps up for the Dems side
Aug 12th 2014
117
Obama's election has taken the excitement out of her possibly being
Aug 12th 2014
118
not really. not for her supporters.
Aug 12th 2014
119
But that's the thing - it's understandable that the loyalists are
Aug 12th 2014
120
      RE: But that's the thing - it's understandable that the loyalists are
Aug 12th 2014
122
i still think it's a big deal
Aug 12th 2014
121
      Oh w/o question its a big deal but I'm only talking abt ppl being
Aug 12th 2014
123
she's done nothing but ride her husbands coattails the whole time, she.....
Aug 13th 2014
126
was going ask what did Obama do as a senator but
Aug 13th 2014
127
lol, boxscore bobbying comes to politics
Aug 13th 2014
128
he'll still win without you
Aug 13th 2014
129
She can't win without the machine
Aug 13th 2014
130
Even the Secret Service hates her (Link)
Aug 14th 2014
132
Fuck Hillary, turns out The Onion was right about Biden...
Aug 14th 2014
142
Aug 14th 2014
133
once they start digging all her dirt up its going to get ugly
Aug 14th 2014
134
IMO Christie will not get the nom and these early polls mean little
Aug 14th 2014
136
The primary election winner has to appeal to the base
Aug 14th 2014
137
      obviously. but IMO most of that "appeal" is being electable.
Aug 14th 2014
141
           yup. unlike the right, the dem base only needs to be slightly appeased
Aug 14th 2014
144
                Dem base will split in a primary
Aug 15th 2014
145
                     i can hardly think of anything they differed on.
Aug 15th 2014
149
Pre bridgegate Christie had the best shot out of those 3
Aug 23rd 2014
152
Hillary's Black Church Tour
Aug 14th 2014
138
LMAO I forgot about that n/m
Aug 14th 2014
139
lol so cringeworthy
Aug 14th 2014
140
I don't feeeel no ways tiiiirrrrrrrrreeeed
Aug 14th 2014
143
Inside the Ready for Hillary PAC
Aug 15th 2014
146
Can people stop pretending Elizabeth Warren was ever gonna run
Aug 23rd 2014
151
Glenn Beck says she's gonna win
Sep 03rd 2014
153
LOL @ still believing in American politricks
Sep 03rd 2014
154
Sooooo about this email scandal.....
Mar 16th 2015
155
no more Bushes or Clintons please
Mar 16th 2015
156
RE: no more Bushes or Clintons please
Mar 16th 2015
169
1. i don't care.
Mar 16th 2015
157
      Neither do I - I'm more thinking politically.
Mar 16th 2015
158
      i doubt this will hurt her in the primary.
Mar 16th 2015
159
           Hillary's team said this in 2007... LOL
Mar 16th 2015
164
                we had heard of Obama in 2007.
Mar 16th 2015
165
                But people knew Obama was going to be a problem back in 2004
Mar 16th 2015
167
                     his polls numbers were laughable in 2007.
Mar 16th 2015
170
                          He was still a better known quantity than the rest of the non-Hilary fie...
Mar 16th 2015
173
                               we will see... but I hope her team isn't this confident.
Mar 16th 2015
177
      RE: 1. i don't care.
Mar 16th 2015
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           You ain't wrong.
Mar 16th 2015
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           Most of this I agree with, except this point::
Mar 16th 2015
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                no, she'll need YOUR vote.
Mar 16th 2015
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                     If there's a better candidate in general election, I'll vote for her/him
Mar 16th 2015
184
                          i voted for Nader in 2000.
Mar 16th 2015
187
                               I dunno, I feel like asking the candidate to earn your vote is the most....
Mar 16th 2015
191
                                    Ideally, you & your father are on the right track...
Mar 16th 2015
194
                                         right.
Mar 16th 2015
195
                                         Hence the "I live and vote in California" part of the equation
Mar 16th 2015
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                                              cool.
Mar 16th 2015
202
Is there nobody else?
Mar 16th 2015
160
no. damn.
Mar 16th 2015
161
Ha!
Mar 16th 2015
171
Nope. And I don't think a contentious primary would help her chances
Mar 16th 2015
163
honestly, if Dems care so much about us NOT voting 3rd party,
Mar 16th 2015
203
      voting against your personal interest b/c of your feelings
Mar 16th 2015
205
Hillary 2016 slogans:
Mar 16th 2015
162
You need to write comedy.
Mar 16th 2015
174
"Let's Do It Again"
Mar 16th 2015
175
lol @ "Don't make me turn this car around"
Mar 16th 2015
178
"What'd you say?!?"
Mar 16th 2015
180
hahaha
Mar 16th 2015
189
I read these all in lecture-y Hilldawg voice in my head
Mar 17th 2015
223
Is it wrong to not support Hillary because she is so mistrusted?
Mar 16th 2015
181
yes. it is.
Mar 16th 2015
182
Real talk: That may be the best way to deal.
Mar 16th 2015
183
voter apathy among the Democratic base is her main opponent.
Mar 16th 2015
185
Thing is I actually like her. Well I like Bill. I just hate all the dram...
Mar 16th 2015
190
This e-mail shit is only a scandal because "ZOMG BENGHAZI"
Mar 16th 2015
186
regardless of why, how or who... it's a bad look
Mar 16th 2015
188
No one has adequately explained why, or even if this is clearly illegal
Mar 16th 2015
192
      it's not 'illegal' but it violated State dept policy and looks shady.
Mar 16th 2015
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           Eh, that sounds like a lot of potential smoke but no fire
Mar 16th 2015
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                Basically.
Mar 16th 2015
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i don't necesarily trust her
Mar 16th 2015
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i'd rather those people act crazy out of power than in it
Mar 16th 2015
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      this:
Mar 16th 2015
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People obsessed w/ the email scandal are missing the mark.
Mar 16th 2015
193
you should write in a candidate.
Mar 16th 2015
199
      you've been riding hard for Hill-dog since 2008.
Mar 16th 2015
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           uh...no.
Mar 16th 2015
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                she'll likely run unopposed through the dem. primary.
Mar 16th 2015
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                     I'll say this: she's not running unopposed in the Primary
Mar 16th 2015
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                     If Webb, O'Malley, and Biden run - where is the distinction?
Mar 16th 2015
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                     Webb is pushing for southern whites.
Mar 16th 2015
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                          RE: Webb is pushing for southern whites.
Mar 16th 2015
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                          He'll likely move to Hillary's left on culture/social issues.
May 18th 2015
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                          Which is why he has an outside shot at a VP nomination
Mar 16th 2015
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                          there's an identity politics difference, but not so much a policy one
Mar 16th 2015
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                     Honestly, I don't think Biden's running.
Mar 16th 2015
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                          what did he say?
Mar 16th 2015
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                          Biden will try, because he's always wanted to be president
Mar 16th 2015
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                               Biden's actually pretty great in debates
Mar 16th 2015
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                                    Masterful, even.
Mar 17th 2015
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                     Hail to the queen.
Mar 16th 2015
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I'm surprised "sniper fire" hasn't returned
Mar 16th 2015
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She's going to announce on Sunday
Apr 10th 2015
225
good luck with that.
Apr 10th 2015
226
Please Vote for Whomever the Democractic Candidate is unless you
Apr 10th 2015
227
I hate when folks say the 3rd party has no chance...
Apr 11th 2015
230
      Its reality.
Apr 11th 2015
231
      With Citezens United in play, it impossible.
May 18th 2015
239
      There's a *small* difference between Rhode Island and America.
May 18th 2015
240
Man....
Apr 25th 2015
232
yup.. I could see her fumbling this again
May 18th 2015
238
Bernie Sanders yall.
May 18th 2015
233
He's older than Biden, lol
May 18th 2015
234
Citizen's United solidified my non-GOP presidential vote.
May 18th 2015
236
This is it for me, big time.
May 18th 2015
241

illegal
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1. "#TeamDeval"
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***
when I come around, they frown
then wanna dap me down
but when I leave?

  

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2. "Two light skinned negro presidents in a row? I reckon not."
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5. "a brother can dream! plus this one actually has exec experience."
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i'm tryna draft him in, from all indications he isn't thinking about running on his own

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19. "yea that's a real pipe dream man."
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ain't no black democrat w/any sense running for president again until after we done had hillary and a mexican and conservatives can act reasonable around a non-white-male president.

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29. "we'll get president Rand Paul before we get president Hilary Clinton"
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come on people
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Go Smack yourself and then apologize to your hand for looking stupid - Case_One

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3. "I'm intrigued, tell me more. "
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24. "Born raised south side of Chicago too."
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South Shore to be exact.

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4. "okaypolitics just seems to be the same shit over and over and over..."
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Good for you, seeing through the "status quo" or whatever.

  

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21. "FIXED: politics just seems to be the same shit over and over and over..."
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okayplayer but only a reflection of that.

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6. "Folks here cried about the knocking down of part of the Civil Rights"
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law that happened a few years ago.

Personally, I never forgot Bush vs. Gore


People now are crying over the 2 recent Obamacare - religious decisions.


Now, I'm not a MEAN guy, but..........



It'll be somewhat amusing to see ultra-left wingers crying if a GOP prez puts in a couple more right wing Supreme Court justices.


'cause

It'll be some tortured: "I didn't want that, but...I didn't think....."

That would be somewhat amusing - despite the other consequences of that possibility.

  

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102. "EXACTLY! "
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smh All us liberals are getting excited about national politics (and yes it matters) while the right wing is buying up the board and playing the long con.

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7. "supreme court "
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ruth bader ginsberg with likely step down during the next admininstration (i'm actually surprised she's still there). the SCOTUS going more red than it already is is pretty fucking scary.

plus repubs still have a shot of getting the seanate back at some point

policy wise here and Barry are pretty much the same (they were in 08 as well). her antics during that time made me dislike her (lol sniper fire), but dems probably do need someone in office who's more of an asshole.

Obama made the mistake of thinking he could bring republicans to the table in some kind of new era of togetherness. not only did they slap his hand away, they convinced the public that he's the one dividing the country

that said, i'm in california. my vote for president means dick.

  

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80. "i pretty much agree with you, though i care less and less"
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the whole judicial nominations thing is important but i don't find judges to be as politically predictable as elected officials and i also don't think the process will let anyone too liberal through anyway. i thought obeezy would transform the judiciary and so far not much.

on a broader level he has nudged a few things softly in the right direction but it was too subtle, too late. i have even less hope for clinton, who is a brilliant woman but also a very seasoned (read: hardened) politician.

and of course i am also in california, where the presidential vote is already decided like you said.

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8. "a really slimy character? just her, right?"
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>I know for a lot of people it's "her turn" but I think a vote
>for Hillary is a vote for politics as usual. I can't forget
>about everything that happened during the 2008 campaign or
>everything that happened during the Clinton years. She just
>seems like a really slimy character and I'm not even concerned
>as much about benghazi or her claims of being broke.
>
>All Hillary cheering makes me wanna vomit. Obama supporters
>didn't really get a lot of change with his administration.
>He's basically been in bed with big banks, hasn't done much on
>issues of race, hasn't been an honest broker on mideast peace,
>high speed rail has gone nowhere, patriot act is on steroids
>and not much happening on the new energy front. Still I'd
>rather go in a direction of change than with a Hillary ticket.
>I definitely wouldn't vote for her and I'd seriously consider
>actively supporting a third party candidate.
>
>http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/02/11/msnbcs_krystal_ball_to_hillary_clinton_dont_run.html#ooid=RubmltazpOLBQo0OrKM05hQxETgZweEl
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLK7zktQpTY
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ur4EZSVazdk
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MtJszXF334

  

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9. "Name names"
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I haven't defended anyone. Still, my opinion is that we can do much better.

  

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35. "Easy to argue we can do better without naming alternatives"
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43. "I wasn't asked to name alternatives..."
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but practically anyone would be better than Hillary.

  

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166. "For starters, this list: http://www.politics1.com/p2016.htm"
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http://www.politics1.com/p2016.htm

See also:
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10. "I can't support this post."
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11. "yeah pres obama really aint done shit..."
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12. "Never said that, stay focused"
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36. "You offered a lopsided view of his presidency. "
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40. "it's been pretty terrible. "
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Not up for debate

  

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41. "What you mean is that you are unable to debate."
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44. "It's not a lopsided view, he campaigned on CHANGE"
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He said he would protect civil liberties, instead the NSA is literally spying on the entire world. He was really off with that prediction. In addition to that he assassinates American citizens, one of them a 16-year-old boy. I'm gonna give him an F on civil liberties.

He campaigned on being an honest and balanced broker in the middle east and reestablishing America's reputation in the world. Instead he gave a great speech in Cairo and failed to support Egyptians when they rose up. When they started getting slaughtered he made a half-hearted attempt to speak up. The same thing happened over and over again; for instance instead of supporting the citizens in bahrain he supported the dictator he was propping up, then he wagged the dog and pointed the finger at qaddaffi and eventually sent the CIA in to finish him off. To top it all off he has sent drones in that disproportionately kill women and children and non combatants. Add to that the fact that his spying has brought an end to the world wide web as we know it. And don't even get me started on the palestinians and israel. Arguably the rest of the world hates us more now. F

Clean energy D

Green jobs F

Oh. Almost forgot campaign finance F

  

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56. "."
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13. "I just want to see if there's one person worth voting for, period."
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https://banafrit.com/
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14. "someone said she's the dem's romney. i feel meh on it but supreme court."
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i'm still hoping someone make a run but i'm not seeing. think the best we can hope is she selects a badass vp. and hope she wins.

  

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15. "This nigga said high speed rail lol."
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17. "People forget how Obama promoted himself as an innovator"
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37. "Are you arguing that he was not innovative?"
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If so, you have not made that point in this post.

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45. "Outside of PRISM he is NOT innovating"
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71. "because Obama created the NSA. STFU"
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How old are you? Seriously?

  

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104. "Obama is the patriot act on steroids"
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He campaigned on civil liberties and the constitution yadda yadda yadda.
But just like dick cheney said he would do he backed everything they did and more.

  

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81. "high speed rail hasn't gone anywhere because it's a foolish idea"
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at least as it was presented. i think constructing more centralized cities and localizing commerce is what it's going to take to really address the problem. no one is moving in that direction. no one ever considers reducing consumption or making sacrifices it seems (a huge obstacle addressing environmental and economic issues both).

i also think the high-speed rail is a losing proposition, but that spending that money on other infrastructural projects is not. that said, i don't expect obama to be able to go all new deal with this shit, with what money and what impetus?

i feel like he should be lighting it up now in his second term. the democrats are in a position of relative strength, he will be done with public office soon. that is disappointing to me, but at the same time i don't expect him to be able to do everything. there are a lot of industries and trends that are bigger than even the president, and that's why most presidents pander to them.

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100. "u still didnt describe why HSR is foolish in ur reply?"
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103. "Right? I'll wait...."
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116. "$500 Billion investment in what?"
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Half a trillion plus over about two decades. Rail use is super low, rail subsidies are super high and would only get higher. By contrast, motorists receive no subsidies and pay taxes on their fuel. So the spending isn't efficient. But spending money to do the right thing is something I am in favor of, so if the stated aims of the program could be realized, I'd be all for it. But I'm not, because they won't be.

Would we get a reduction in traffic congestion? Not really. Greenhouse gas emissions? No. Gasoline consumption and oil imports? Doubtful. I doubt we'd even see less travel by plane. All the stated purposes are not going to be achieved, meanwhile we will sink a lot of money into this elaborate but largely useless system.

First of all, most traffic is not inter-city, most traffic is local. Stronger public transit at the local level would be a much stronger investment there. You have the overwhelming majority of traffic accounted for by drives of under 30 minutes. Even if you had a quarter of a million high-speed rail passengers as some projections suggested, that wouldn't make any significant dent in day to day traffic, gas emission, etc. You also have to figure that is a HUGE jump in usage. That ACELA line back East for Amtrak has about 10% the riders we are talking about, and that is a very well traveled route if not the most traveled on Amtrak.

What I am trying to say is that our lives are structured around varied and spread out routes, most of which are localized, and high speed rail does not address the resulting problems. Its use doesn't fit within the framework of most Americans' lives. Rail travel is just not a thing and making faster trains with limited routes wouldn't make it a thing. I do think something between L.A. and Vegas needs to happen, but it should be financed privately by the big money in Vegas IMO. Similarly if the states want these projects, they should finance them. In general, I don't see the system presented making the positive impact on our lifestyle, economy and environment that it claims to. In California we have been dumping money into this project where the budget gets uglier. If it was really going to turn some billion-plus profit in the next 15-20 years like proponents claim, why are private investors not throwing their hat in the ring? Because the projections are fanciful.

That's looking at the money side, as well as the daily traffic and congestion on the ground, and also some of the purported benefits that we wouldn't get. Now let's look to the skies. You look at the 13 corridors or whatever, look at the most common routes. Even if you were to convert all those passengers to high speed rail travel, the decrease in air traffic would be a single digit percentage, and the decrease in fuel consumption would be even less (as trails also need fuel).

The whole thing just doesn't affect enough people or produce the results it claims in order to prove it beneficial at a national level IMO.


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135. "I see people are just leaping to HSR's defense lol"
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217. "I got a kick out of that too, lol"
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"when I was growin' up if we wanted a jacuzzi we had to fart in the tub!"

  

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16. "You're right, Hillary is banking on people forgeting how"
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she ran a really disgusting campaign.

  

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33. "most people did forget that. almost immediately"
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once she finally conceded the primary, she fell in line, then Palin came along and outcunted her, and marveled the world with unseen levels of batshit stupidity.

hill-dawg was off the hook for the most part

>she ran a really disgusting campaign.

  

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20. ""politics as usual" as opposed to what, exactly, though?"
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what are you expecting out of a presidential candidate, or a presidential administration?

the most a president can really do is try to implement the policies that the activists and donors who elect him or her are pushing. for example, the reason that obama's first big legislative push was for healthcare reform was that they had the most organized set of advocates and money ready to move. same goes for GWB and the big tax cuts that kicked off his administration.

electing a new president alone is never going to change "politics as usual." electing a new president and a congress of the same party has the chance to move the ball somewhat, as we saw briefly with obama in 2009 and 2010.

that didn't last long though, since democrats didn't come out and vote in 2010. which, you know, is also "politics as usual."

electing state legislatures and governors who can really move agendas rather quickly DOES change politics as usual....as long as state politics aren't totally jacked up. GOP-controlled legislatures across the country have certainly changed "politics as usual" at the state level in many places.

so yea...i'm interested in what your alternative to "politics as usual" from a presidential candidate looks like, because from where i'm sitting, if you're banking on the president to change the game, you're probably gonna miss out.

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31. "You think it's unreasonable to ask POTUS to deliver on promises?"
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How about being a balanced broker in mideast peace for starters?

Politics as usual starts with the individual politician. Are they running primarily out of ego? Do they have any intention of accomplishing what they promise? Are they cheifly concerned with enriching themselves and their colleagues?

While the house and senate play a role potus is not helpless. He should be using everything at his disposal to attack issues as he is now doing with immigration.


>what are you expecting out of a presidential candidate, or a
>presidential administration?
>
>the most a president can really do is try to implement the
>policies that the activists and donors who elect him or her
>are pushing. for example, the reason that obama's first big
>legislative push was for healthcare reform was that they had
>the most organized set of advocates and money ready to move.
>same goes for GWB and the big tax cuts that kicked off his
>administration.
>
>electing a new president alone is never going to change
>"politics as usual." electing a new president and a congress
>of the same party has the chance to move the ball somewhat, as
>we saw briefly with obama in 2009 and 2010.
>
>that didn't last long though, since democrats didn't come out
>and vote in 2010. which, you know, is also "politics as
>usual."
>
>electing state legislatures and governors who can really move
>agendas rather quickly DOES change politics as usual....as
>long as state politics aren't totally jacked up.
>GOP-controlled legislatures across the country have certainly
>changed "politics as usual" at the state level in many
>places.
>
>so yea...i'm interested in what your alternative to "politics
>as usual" from a presidential candidate looks like, because
>from where i'm sitting, if you're banking on the president to
>change the game, you're probably gonna miss out.

  

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38. "So we're to try the soul of Barack Obama in this post?"
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lol.

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46. "Nope Hillary's soul. Stay focused."
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22. "If it makes you happy.."
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http://nypost.com/2014/07/06/this-means-warren-obama-backs-challenger-to-hillary/

  

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23. "lmao....edward klein is about as credible as kitty kelley."
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32. "Hoping Warren throws her hat in the ring"
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But from what I recall she signed on to a letter encouraging Hillary to run, not that that's binding.

  

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39. "Why do you think Warren would do better?"
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105. "Better than Billary?"
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Hillary has a lot to lose if the system changes in any meaningful way. At the very least warren champions the working class and goes after big banks and corporate tax cheats.

  

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25. "Didn't she back out from her position as Secretary of State?"
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Yeah, they gonna see that as being typical female indecisiveness

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26. "no, she didn't "back out.""
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she left at the end of his first term, like a lot of cabinet secretaries do. wtf?

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27. "Okay, this was said in jest but okay"
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28. "lol i kinda figured that but i hit "Post message" anyway"
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34. "let's all not vote. "
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that'll change things.

  

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47. "Been there"
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42. "We need a mass exodus to a third party.. "
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48. "I'm with this"
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50. "That's the tea party"
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Have fun with the goobers,

  

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52. "Draft Elizabeth Warren"
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49. "Vote AGAINST the greater of two evils"
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Hillary vs WHATEVER republican should equal a vote for Hillary.

U.S. politics is not about doing good, it's about stopping bad.

Nader in Florida really REALLY fucked this country but GOOD. (Well that, and the secretary of the state of Floirda was also the chairwoman on Bush's campaign in Florida, and the supreme court issuing a horrible decision.)

Out of that we got two INSANE Supreme Court appointees who just gave corporations the right of free speech, and if the corporation is owned by a few people then it gave it the ability to ignore federal laws if it has a sincere religious belief that conflicts with it.

Vote to keep the country LESS FUCKED.

  

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53. "If you're fucked you're fucked"
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Vaseline or no Vaseline is not a choice. I was done with the lesser of two evils argument 10 years ago, in 2014 a politician has to actually offer something to his/her constituency.

Bill Clinton did quite a lot of bad. He weakened regulations on banks and he weakened social safety nets. And I still haven't forgotten about what he did to sista soulja or his obama fairytale speech.

Al Gore running a weak campaign fucked this country not Nader. But working class people have to be offered something more than the carrots on a stick they've been offered for the past 60 years. There has to be an economic plan that differs from government contracts to cronies or government student loans/mortgages.

>Hillary vs WHATEVER republican should equal a vote for
>Hillary.
>
>U.S. politics is not about doing good, it's about stopping
>bad.
>
>Nader in Florida really REALLY fucked this country but GOOD.
>(Well that, and the secretary of the state of Floirda was also
>the chairwoman on Bush's campaign in Florida, and the supreme
>court issuing a horrible decision.)
>
>Out of that we got two INSANE Supreme Court appointees who
>just gave corporations the right of free speech, and if the
>corporation is owned by a few people then it gave it the
>ability to ignore federal laws if it has a sincere religious
>belief that conflicts with it.
>
>Vote to keep the country LESS FUCKED.
>

  

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60. "AL Gore got 500,000 MORE VOTES THAN Bush"
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It's Nader voters that fucked the the election in Floria, mixed with corruption of Florida and the guile of the Supreme court, an the gooberness of the midwest and the south.

Bill Clinton was a DREAM compared to W. Don't get it mixed up. And W is seen as a moderate in today's Republican party.

The way this country is set-up we'll be LUCKY if things stay the same or only get a little worse.

  

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63. "Moral vicrories are for minor league coaches"
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Popular vote means nothing. Gore should have won forthrightly. He was vp for chrissakes. He ran a poor campaign it got taken from him by the judges, he has himself to blame.

Clinton set W up with the alley-oop. I'm really struggling to think of anything W did that Clinton hadn't already set precedence for. Clinton was a terrible president imo for working class people, he just came off as likeable. I'm sure he would have acted during katrina but other than that I'm at a loss.


>It's Nader voters that fucked the the election in Floria,
>mixed with corruption of Florida and the guile of the Supreme
>court, an the gooberness of the midwest and the south.
>
>Bill Clinton was a DREAM compared to W. Don't get it mixed up.
>And W is seen as a moderate in today's Republican party.
>
>The way this country is set-up we'll be LUCKY if things stay
>the same or only get a little worse.
>
>

  

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147. "No "
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We learned our lesson with the evil that was Bush/Cheney

There's levels to this shit
And fucked under Obama is a whole different animal of the Republican Party just being on this journey to evil/crazy

Clinton left us open ( hey what could possibly happen)
Greedy capitalists is what
Again who the republican love whole heartedly
Democrats have a closet relationship
Yes it makes a difference
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148. "What did bush/cheney do that obama/clinton didn't?"
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>We learned our lesson with the evil that was Bush/Cheney
>
>There's levels to this shit
> And fucked under Obama is a whole different animal of the
>Republican Party just being on this journey to evil/crazy
>
>Clinton left us open ( hey what could possibly happen)
>Greedy capitalists is what
>Again who the republican love whole heartedly
>Democrats have a closet relationship
>Yes it makes a difference
>~~~~
>When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so
>that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
>~~~~
>You cannot hate people for their own good.

  

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51. "Brian Schweitzer"
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President Bolo tie

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54. "I'm not a fan of Hillary "
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I will vote for the lesser of 2 evils but at this point it seems like it's one and the same.

iont like her at all...

  

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55. "I'm interested to see what the rest of the dem field has to offer but "
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Of course I'll vote for Hilary if she is all that remains and she will win too btw

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59. "nobody's mounting a serious campaign against hillary."
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bernie sanders...brian schweitzer...that's about all you'll get. token opposition. bernie sanders *might* get some media attention, but neither he nor schweitzer is ready for prime time at all.

it's hillary's party after november.

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131. "Just like it was hers to win in 2007."
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It's waaaaaay to early to just hand this old bird the crown.

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57. "no matter who's next, we're screwed"
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Repubs are SO afraid of the Tea Party that they're sabotaging themselves, they woulda had the last presidency if they had put Mitt Romney and Paul Ryran up there almost screaming "white is right"...there was nothing multifacted about them...

i don't like Hilary either btw, but i do feel that Pres obama tenure proved that people really CAN'T just get along... no matter what you do the other party is gonna rally against you...

the country is tired of such huge divisions in polirics, wishing both sides would work together more....but in some cases you can't even get folks in the same party to agree on things...

all that said, in retrospect i like the way Dubya ran things...he didn't GAF about how other parties felt, he just did his thing and dealt with the hate later....it was wrong on SO many levels, but i unstand more now why he did it....

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58. "in the general election i'm voting for whomever wins the Dem primary."
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as for the primary, i dunno yet.

fuck you.

  

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61. "The democratic primary is the real fight"
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With Obama's organizing apparatus possibly in play it's hard to see a republican victory.

  

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64. "i hope so."
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fuck you.

  

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66. "Tell that to 2010 and 2014. "
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>With Obama's organizing apparatus possibly in play it's hard
>to see a republican victory.

The Democratic party would be happy to hear that we have a magic "apparatus" that will win us campaigns even when the public wants to turn dramatically to the right. But it's not true.

Text message voting reminders aren't gonna save us this time.

  

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89. "This is me."
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i'm out.
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62. "For the first time in history, the Speaker is *suing* the President"
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in federal court, supposedly for "overstepping his constitutional authority," and this motherfucker is complaining that he didn't get high speed rail.

  

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65. "LOL I'm complaining about innovation"
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and there's a laundry list of thinks Obama didn't come through on. The high speed rail point is an example of how Obama campaigned as theis wizard of oz character with fantastic idea and could thing outside of the box: high speed rail, clean energy, green jobs. None of that panned out, in fact all the ideas seemed to run out.

  

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67. "...and why didn't those proposals pan out, boys and girls?"
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_mePjkQW_c&feature=kp

fuck you.

  

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68. "None of it panned out, "
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because he's faced lockstep, vitriolic opposition from the 50% of the country who couldn't stand the thought of the first black president having a strong legacy.

You're forgetting that there was quite a lot of progress on those issues in the first two years. Then the American people decided that they didn't *want* progress on those issues, and they voted in a congress that would oppose him with scorched earth tactics on every single measure. Now they're gonna finish the job and take away his Senate majority, so that he can't even appoint people within his own administration.

And you're blaming him for not getting more accomplished?

  

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70. "but obama is supposed to MAKE congress do what he wants!"
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because he's the president! and that's what presidents do! but he's a corporate stooge! so we need to elect another first-term senator to the white house because SHE will make congress do what she wants! because she's not a corporate stooge! and she'll magically change the house and senate to super-majorities of liberal democrats to do what she wants!

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69. "seriously. re: high speed rail, clean energy, green jobs"
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- obama did deliver on HSR. however, multiple states controlled by republicans literally *sent money back to the federal government rather than build rail*. like, are you even aware that happened? and in the places where they did keep the money, did you think they would build the rail lines in 3-5 years? because that was literally the plan nowhere.

- on clean energy, read this, which is not from some democratic party hacks:
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/02/the-record-is-clear-obama-delivers-on-clean-energy-87477.html

or alternately, just google ARPA-E. seriously.

- good reference piece on green jobs, which haven't lived up to obama's proposals for a number of reasons -- the primary one being the failure of a climate change bill in congress that would've extended investment beyond what was included in the stimulus bill.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/promise/439/create-5-million-green-jobs/

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93. "you're also in Ohio, right?"
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if so, I think you know a guy named John Kasich... and a bunch of other folks around him that pooh-poohed the high speed rail idea in state...straight up gave that money back to the feds.

  

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106. "Plenty of states didn't do that"
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But the initiative has been nearly abandoned anyway. He should really still be selling that, it wasn't gonna be completed in 2 years anyway. Can you imagine working in columbus and living in pepper pike? Ohio could have probably pulled it off better than any state, but even if a dem wins in november it's probably off the table.


>if so, I think you know a guy named John Kasich... and a
>bunch of other folks around him that pooh-poohed the high
>speed rail idea in state...straight up gave that money back to
>the feds.
>

  

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150. "I can imagine it.... that would be awesome for so many of us"
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>Can you imagine working in
>columbus and living in pepper pike? Ohio could have probably
>pulled it off better than any state, but even if a dem wins in
>november it's probably off the table.

which is a shame.

America really needs an alternative to road and air travel. especially the latter.

  

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72. "Nah I'm team Hillary, I'm ready for a dem president "
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73. "Now that Hillary's thrown Obama under the bus"
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You still ridin?

  

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74. "i'm voting for the Democrat in the gen election."
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i don't care who gets the nomination - they get my vote in November 2016.

fuck you.

  

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75. "same here..op et. al. need to gtfoh"
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with their green party or whatever nonsense

so a repub can slide in?


>i don't care who gets the nomination - they get my vote in
>November 2016.

  

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235. "Folks gotta quit giving the vote to the Dems...make them earn it"
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In RI...a 3rd party candidate got 22% of the vote for Governor...

The majority of voters didn't like the democratic or republican option...they just voted their color just because...bump that...if they both are terrible...look elsewhere...don't vote for the status quo just because...nothing will change doing that...

  

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76. "What did she say?"
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I've always maintained that if she throws him under the bus/throws shade at him, she loses my vote. If from Cali, she doesn't need me.

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77. "i live in Illinois so i'm not terribly worried either."
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shit, i voted for Nader in 2000 but Gore still won my state's electoral college votes.

fuck you.

  

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83. "RE: What did she say?"
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http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/08/hillary-clinton-failure-to-help-syrian-rebels-led-to-the-rise-of-isis/375832/

  

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78. "*shrug* i completely expect this"
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barry's not a popular president. she's damn near identical to him policy-wise. i expect much more of her trying to distinguish herself from this administration, by saying how she would have handled ____ differently.

  

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79. "i do too."
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some folks are still smarting over comments she made about him back in 2008 when they were opponents during the primary campaign. she was running against him - i would expect her to come out swinging. and same thing w/this election - she's gonna have to run against his record a bit to win. that will require her to throw him under a bus more than once.

fuck you.

  

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82. "She's just positioning herself"
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Future candidates always have the luxury to cherry pick positions or actions that dont poll well with the public.

She's just playing politics because she knows without a certain percentage of swing voters, like independents, who believe in a stronger foreign policy position, she could be in trouble in 2016.

She's going to Monday morning quarterback Obama all the way through 2016 so this is just the beginning.

  

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84. "join your local Green Party. we're gearing up for '16 now"
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if you want some REAL hope and change? join the GP.

if you want an end to police brutality & the dismantling of the prison industrial complex? join the GP

if you want weed legalization on a fed level...join the GP

if you want OUT of ALLL wars. war in iraq. war in syria. war in afghanistan. war in palestine. war on drugs. war on crime. all that shit. ended. immd. day 1. join the GP

if you wanna declare war on the terrible public school education available to our children, join the GP.

if you want reparations...join the GP.

i can go on but you get it.

real progressive politics. not the same bilateral dichotomy, 2 pole bullshit we have had since Ross Perot retired...join the GP.

jump on this train

history your children will read abt in 50 yrs is being written now & we need soldiers


does it really matter?

vote for bin: http://tinyurl.com/qz8zep5

  

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85. "Like when they ran cynthia mckinney?"
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NO thanks.

  

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87. "oh we holding history against organizations now?"
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dems ran thomas jefferson in their history. you boycotting them too?

GOP ran ronald reagan. boycott them too

  

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86. "There will never be a viable 3rd Party in the United States of America"
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disclaimer: I don't really know shit about politics........




































































































































































disclaimer 2: But this...I do know.
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88. "So if you want to live in fairy tale land, join the GP?"
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- - - Begin Sig. - - -

"Courage doesn't always roar. Sometimes courage is that little voice at the end of the day that says, 'I'll try again tomorrow.'" ~ ~ Anne Radmacher

  

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97. "how will you make it if you never even try? - Nas"
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You & I gotta do for you & I


does it really matter?

vote for bin: http://tinyurl.com/qz8zep5

  

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107. "Didn't ceelo say that?"
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>You & I gotta do for you & I
>
>
>does it really matter?
>
>vote for bin: http://tinyurl.com/qz8zep5

  

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Binlahab
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"Fk if I know I stopped listening to rap for real when Pac died nm"


  

          

  

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91. "Green Party is a joke nationally. You shoulda been here in 2010."
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We don't see no damn Green Party candidates in the midterms or primaries. We don't see the supporters locally or statewide. But once every goddamn 4 years we have a Green Party guy talking about running nationwide.

It's a waste of resources and capital for the Green Party to run nationally when their strengths would lie in local and state elections.

i'm out.
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96. "get in now on the ground floor, dog I'm telling you."
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I'm trying to be like a cross between Nat turner and Ben franklin with this shit

Won't happen over night that's the point

I just wanna live to see who plays me in the bio pic


does it really matter?

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114. "Man, shut up LOL"
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I voted Green Party for a few local/state races in Chicago and Illinois but they're still woefully outspent and to be brutally honest: They nominate or get behind some really boring or flat out unlikable people.

i'm out.
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98. "building the GP locally isn't a bad idea"
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a well-organized GP county exec could easily become a GP state senator
could easily with a good record become a GP US congressman and so on

***
when I come around, they frown
then wanna dap me down
but when I leave?

  

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111. "Dude"
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I won't do this as I have enough bones in the closet to fill a graveyard but...

Board of Ed to county council to county exec to governor

Expanding the brand on the way up? Bringing more people who are the fastest growing demo in the country under the tent?

Latinos, you want a more porous border, we do too.
Gays, you wanna get married, we want you to too
Blacks y'all want reparations, good we do too
College educated white folks, y'all want legal weed, we do too

It's too perfect to not work, it's the innovative shit in political science, stake out that claim of progressive way out on the left and as the population gets browner and younger, who they gonna call?

You already know, I'm abt this shit


does it really matter?

vote for bin: http://tinyurl.com/qz8zep5

  

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229. "I really want the GP to come up but...."
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I can't help but feel like their overall strategy is wrong. In a way their campaign shouldn't be about 2016 but 2020. There simply aren't enough gp representatives in local and state levels of legislature. Also we have to have a moment so historically bad that everyone throws their hands up at both parties simultaneously. Obama would never have been elected POTUS if George W bush didn't helm the worst administration ever. It was so bad that lifetime republicans basically said we might as well vote for a black person.

The road to 2020 should be just grass roots grinding to get the right people involved and then aligned with the gp. IMO it isn't that people don't want a change but they may feel stuck making the safe bet versus going all in together. The Green Party has to constantly stir up resentment within voters of both parties. People have to really regret voting for politics as usual first before the GP can really take it national. In other words the people need to be primed for the next five years.

  

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90. "I'm voting with my nose pinched."
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SCOTUS appointments are really important to me at this point.

The opposition party is way too unhinged and petulant to risk them having the power to appoint a SCOTUS judge.

i'm out.
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92. "I'm holding my nose, she's garbage"
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http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2014/08/10/the-empire-is-striking-back/

Among those most eager for a return of the past is, of course, Benjamin Netanyahu. And you see in the interview with Goldberg how closely Clinton’s views mirror his. She hits every single neocon talking point: the Israelis have no responsibility for the killing of hundreds of children because “there’s no doubt in my mind that Hamas initiated this conflict … So the ultimate responsibility has to rest on Hamas and the decisions it made.” That’s almost a paraphrase of the Israeli prime minister or Joan Rivers (take your pick of the nuance artists). And Clinton even backs Netanyahu’s recent dismissal of a two-state solution! Yep: she’s not just running to succeed Barack Obama, there are times in the interview when it seems she’s running against him:

The past is my foundation, not my preoccupation.

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108. "Right!!? Her speeches at AIPAC alone.."
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A vote for Hillary is a vote against Gaza.

  

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112. "the beauty of the lesser of two evils"
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amirite

  

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113. "::: sigh ::: Very chrue"
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Her posture right now is very hawkish and right wing. But it's still WAAAYYY left of any Republican nominee.

Scary, but true.

The past is my foundation, not my preoccupation.

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94. "Supreme Court. I got that gas mask ready."
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But no, I'm not a fan for the same reasons I wasn't in 2008.
and if you thought Obama was bad for progressive interests... sheeeeeeit.

but anything to keep more Alitos, et al out of that court.

the people Obama nominated (esp. Sotomayor) are actually good.

  

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95. "Who is going to make the SCOTUS liberal"
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Simplistic as it sounds, that is where my vote will be. holding my nose and frowning the entire time.


Meanwhile I gotta get this fuck ass machine in Detroit and Wayne County gone.


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Aint got no sig.

  

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99. "fukkin nobody, but i guess in a shades of white way, she is."
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And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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101. "It'll be interesting to see if Ginsburg steps down"
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There were some criticisms of Thurgood Marshall for retiring during the Bush administration and not trying to hold out for a Democrat to get in office.

  

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109. "Ginsburg is dying in that seat"
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110. "I think so too. But it's scary if Romney, Perry or another Bush win"
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115. "MoveOn Reacts To Hillary Clinton's Comments"
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She's digging a hole for herself.

http://ow.ly/i/6x1Nm

  

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124. "so does that mean MoveOn is gonna support Rand Paul?"
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if it comes down to that. since he's less hawkish?

or will they just fall in line like everyone else? not that MoveOn has much clout these days

  

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125. "They'll be able to mobilize for the primary"
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Their objections will definitely be heard. But I think hill dogg has already decided on her strategy. They made some lame moves between national elections but they'll get it together in time to have a say for 2016.

>if it comes down to that. since he's less hawkish?
>
>or will they just fall in line like everyone else? not that
>MoveOn has much clout these days

  

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117. "I'm not a fan either, hopefully somebody else steps up for the Dems side"
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________________________________________
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118. "Obama's election has taken the excitement out of her possibly being"
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the 1st woman potus - him becoming the 1st African-American potus trumps her potentially becoming the 1st woman president...

Plus, I think that to many ppl, including many liberals, she's an "establishment" candidate, unlike Elizabeth Warren who has more of a populace message, which doesn't get ppl all that excited abt her candidacy...

And she's incredibly hawkish!!!

grassrootsphilosopher

  

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119. "not really. not for her supporters."
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and not for, you know, WOMEN...who are likely as excited about the possibility of a woman in the office as we black men were excited about having him in the office.

fuck you.

  

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120. "But that's the thing - it's understandable that the loyalists are "
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excited abt her candidacy

But

I don't sense the excitement for her, though, amongst new/younger voters the way Obama created a stir and brought in a lot of those new to the political process. Maybe that'll change once we really get into election season...

I believe because ppl are expecting the inevitability of her winning the election...unless someone from the democratic side enters the race (Elizabeth Warren?) who could either win the nomination or at the very least (or worse) split the democratic vote...is why I don't sense or feel the excitement abt her. It's hard to get excited abt something (or someone) when you're expecting it to happen vs something occurring when no one a saw it coming (Obama)



>and not for, you know, WOMEN...who are likely as excited
>about the possibility of a woman in the office as we black men
>were excited about having him in the office.

grassrootsphilosopher

  

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122. "RE: But that's the thing - it's understandable that the loyalists are "
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Maybe that'll
>change once we really get into election season...

yeah.

fuck you.

  

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121. "i still think it's a big deal"
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not as exciting as obeezy though because she's been a longstanding figure that came through traditional channels. but that doesnt have anything to do with him stealing all the novelty thunder.

she is an old line politician to me, nothing else. smarter than most but that doesn't guarantee much.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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123. "Oh w/o question its a big deal but I'm only talking abt ppl being"
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excited abt her candidacy....

I do fear she might blow this...again but when I think abt the possible candidates on the GOP side, my fears are allayed lol


>not as exciting as obeezy though because she's been a
>longstanding figure that came through traditional channels.
>but that doesnt have anything to do with him stealing all the
>novelty thunder.
>
>she is an old line politician to me, nothing else. smarter
>than most but that doesn't guarantee much.

grassrootsphilosopher

  

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126. "she's done nothing but ride her husbands coattails the whole time, she....."
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did nothing significant as a senator and the biggest thing that happened during her time as SOS she tries to distance herself from and let Susan Rice be the scapegoat.

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127. "was going ask what did Obama do as a senator but"
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then i looked at hillary shit and you're right
given her status and connections it seems like she really wasn't doing much of shit
family entertainment act to keep shit out of video games?
trick please

  

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128. "lol, boxscore bobbying comes to politics"
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129. "he'll still win without you"
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unfortunately

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130. "She can't win without the machine"
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It's time to get the anti-hillary machine started

  

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132. "Even the Secret Service hates her (Link)"
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http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/power-players-abc-news/new-book--being-assigned-to-hillary-clinton-s-secret-service-detail-%e2%80%9ca-form-of-punishment%e2%80%9d-213322171.html

There’s no worse assignment for a Secret Service agent than protecting Hillary Clinton, if claims in a controversial new book are to be believed.

Ronald Kessler’s book, “First Family Detail,” is filled with salacious revelations about the secret personal lives of the nation’s most high-profile political leaders. But the authenticity of those revelations has been called into question over factual inaccuracies in the book, as well as its reliance on anonymous Secret Service agents.

“She is so nasty to agents that being assigned to her detail is considered a form of punishment,” Kessler told “Top Line” of Clinton, who continues to receive Secret Service protection as a former first lady.

“It shines a light on her character,” Kessler said. “She claims to be a champion of the little people, and she's going to help the middle class. And, in fact, she treats these people around her, would lay down their lives for her like sub-humans; and I think voters need to consider that.”

The second-worst Secret Service assignment is Vice President Joe Biden, Kessler said. Though Biden is reportedly “very nice to agents,” Kessler said, his security detail is exhausted from frequent last-minute trips to his home in Delaware, and some are offended by what Kessler writes is a “habit of swimming in his pool nude.”

“He likes to skinny-dip both at the pool at his vice president residence in Washington and his home in Wilmington, and female agents are very offended by that,” Kessler said. “And, in fact, you could make a case that it's almost sexual harassment.”

While most of the allegations contained in Kessler’s book relate to the personal lives of the high-profile individuals whom the Secret Service protects, there is also criticism of the Secret Service itself.

Kessler said that the president’s life has been put at risk by what his anonymous sources tell him are serious security shortfalls within the agency. “Agents tell me that it's a miracle there has not been an assassination, given all this corner-cutting,” Kessler said.

“ example in the book is that, when Bradley Cooper went to the White House Correspondents’ Dinner, a high-ranking Secret Service official told the detail at the Washington Hilton, 'Just let him in with his SUV' – in this secure area where only Secret Service cars are allowed, and even they have to be screened for explosives. He was not screened; someone could have put explosives in.”

But the Secret Service is firing back at Kessler’s claims, with spokesman Ed Donovan calling the book “intellectually lazy and riddled with inaccuracies.”

“We currently dedicate more personnel, funding and technical assets to our protective mission than at any time in our history and our protective measures and methods continue to increase in scope and complexity, not diminish,” Donovan said in a written statement. “Comments attributed to our personnel, current or former, regarding their personal perceptions of Secret Service protectees, are just that – their personal perceptions – and should not be discussed in any forum.”

The book’s accuracy has also been called into question by reviewers outside of the government.

Marc Ambinder, an editor at “This Week” news magazine, wrote a post admonishing Kessler’s book for “weird inaccuracies” that he says “should lead Kessler to question the judgment of some of his own sources.” Asked for a response to Ambinder’s negative review, Kessler rebutted that “every claim that he made was totally wrong.”

Neither the vice president’s office nor Hillary Clinton provided a comment when contacted by “Top Line.” However, the Clintons recently provided a joint-statement to POLITICO to address a slew of new books that are critical of Hillary Clinton.

“With Klein, Halper and Kessler, we now have a hat trick of despicable actors concocting trashy nonsense for a quick buck, at the expense of anything even remotely resembling the truth,” a joint statement from spokesmen for Bill, Hillary and Chelsea Clinton read, according to POLITICO.

For more of the interview with Kessler, and to hear what he hopes to achieve with this book, check out this episode of “Top Line.”

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142. "Fuck Hillary, turns out The Onion was right about Biden..."
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"The second-worst Secret Service assignment is Vice President Joe Biden, Kessler said. Though Biden is reportedly “very nice to agents,” Kessler said, his security detail is exhausted from frequent last-minute trips to his home in Delaware, and some are offended by what Kessler writes is a “habit of swimming in his pool nude.”

“He likes to skinny-dip both at the pool at his vice president residence in Washington and his home in Wilmington, and female agents are very offended by that,” Kessler said. “And, in fact, you could make a case that it's almost sexual harassment.”"

bet that nigga has agents score coke and groupies for him too.


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133. ""
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Poll: Hillary Clinton’s 2016 lead drops
By: Kendall Breitman
August 14, 2014 10:12 AM EDT

The Republican front-runners for the 2016 GOP presidential nomination are shrinking the gap between themselves and Hillary Clinton, according to a new poll.

A McClatchy-Marist poll released Thursday shows that support for potential Democratic candidate Clinton has dropped to under 50 percent in head-to-head matchups as support for Republican potential candidates such as New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush and Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul is gaining.

When asked to chose between Clinton and Christie, 48 percent of those polled said they would vote for Clinton in a general election if one were held today, compared to 41 percent who supported Christie. Four months ago, in April, 53 percent of people said that they would vote for Clinton, while 42 percent sided with Christie. In February, Clinton had an even larger advantage, with 58 percent supporting Clinton and 37 percent saying they would vote for Christie.

Paul, another front runner for the 2016 GOP presidential nomination, is also gaining on the former secretary of state. In April, Clinton led Paul 54 percent to 40 percent. In August, Paul is catching up with 42 percent of Americans saying they would vote for the Kentucky senator while 48 percent sided with Clinton.

A similar shrinking gap can be seen between Clinton and Bush. In April, 55 percent of Americans said that they would vote for Clinton in a general election and 39 percent said that they would vote for Bush. On Thursday, results show that only 48 percent supported Clinton while 41 percent said that they would side with Bush in a general election.

This poll was conducted via live-interview telephone survey Aug. 4-7 among 803 registered voters and has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.5 percentage points.

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/08/poll-hillary-clinton-2016-110009.html

  

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134. "once they start digging all her dirt up its going to get ugly"
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136. "IMO Christie will not get the nom and these early polls mean little"
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Ultimately the Dems will have to choose between a known name who's waited her turn or someone they consider more bankable in the general election. I think it might be tough for such a person to emerge, but I would welcome it.

The Republicans are a lot more flexible. I don't think they will go with Christie. Another "bridge-gap" guy from the northeast? Tried and failed. He will have the same problem Romney did, identity crisis where instead of energizing the base and grabbing the middle, he will have to choose one or the other. That's especially true with no incumbent to run against IMO. He also might have boned himself inside the party with that whole Obeezy photo op, people resented that. His record is not exactly immaculate either, in fact he has as much dirt on him as a governor as some people do early in their career as senators (typically an advantage for governors, but not with him). Lastly, and I don't mean to be a dick because I'm also a husky boy, but the dude is real fat. When was the last time we saw a fat ass president? Even today in this fat ass country we have, it's not gonna happen.

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137. "The primary election winner has to appeal to the base"
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regardless of the general election.

  

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141. "obviously. but IMO most of that "appeal" is being electable."
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144. "yup. unlike the right, the dem base only needs to be slightly appeased"
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and they'll begrudgingly fall in line, just to avoid electing a republican.

yeah, you saw the same with far right romney supporters, but he had to kiss their ass far more... even knowing how much they hate Obama. mccain had to re-assure them by briging in Palin.

meanwhile Obama never ran as a far lefty, even in 2008 (im not sure why some on the left feel that he did). Once, he was in office for a while, and by 2012 he was basically telling the base to grow up, because he knew they'd vote for him now matter how much they bitched.

  

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145. "Dem base will split in a primary"
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The days of the short dem primary are over. Hillary will have to earn AfAm and Latino and Gay and young votes. Any opposition and it could be a slugfest. If there's more than one challenger it will be.

She can be the early frontrunner but then she will slip up and someone more attractive will steal some of that shine. Someone with grassroots support could be a challenge.

Hillary was right of center in the primary, obama was left and center. If she stays right in the primary she's gonna be challenged.

>and they'll begrudgingly fall in line, just to avoid electing
>a republican.
>
>yeah, you saw the same with far right romney supporters, but
>he had to kiss their ass far more... even knowing how much
>they hate Obama. mccain had to re-assure them by briging in
>Palin.
>
>meanwhile Obama never ran as a far lefty, even in 2008 (im not
>sure why some on the left feel that he did). Once, he was in
>office for a while, and by 2012 he was basically telling the
>base to grow up, because he knew they'd vote for him now
>matter how much they bitched.

  

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149. "i can hardly think of anything they differed on."
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the only real difference was iraq, which at that point they ultimately agreed on.

they disagreed on health insurance mandates... hill-dawg wanted them/barry was against them back then.

can't really think of anything else

even their debates were just them constantly agreeing with each other on every single policy but trying to sell who could handle it better.
it came down to personality, mostly. she came off petulant and entitled. her handlers probably won't let her make that mistake again.

i mean, we'll see what happens but it seems like enough people in this country are convinced obama's a far lefty that this presidency has essentially neutered the actual left

>Hillary was right of center in the primary, obama was left and
>center. If she stays right in the primary she's gonna be
>challenged.
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152. "Pre bridgegate Christie had the best shot out of those 3"
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Christie actually the support and swag to get the nomination and i think the Koch Brothers were ready to throw all their support his way before bridgegate popped up. That sullied his reputation enough to keep this an open race. Plus some conservatives haven't forgiven him for buddying up to Obama right before the 2012 election. But he had the broadest coalition of voters to win a general election. 2 term GOP governor in a Democratic state that had strong Democratic support in both elections. And his straight no chaser talk does with with independents and conservatives.

Jeb just cant get past the last name thing. Too soon for him. He's a couple election cycles away from the Bush name being taking seriously again.

And Rand Paul just has a myriad of issues he would have to contend with. He actually has the best shot to get through the primary but his warts are even bigger than Romney's. From his on record civil rights stances, to his tea party affilations, to his anti immigrations stances. All of which will help him win the primary but will not be enough to pull enough independents to win a general. Its too easy to paint him as extreme and tie him to the Tea party and their antics.

Hillary looks unbeatable for a reason. In addition to the weak Repub field she will be running against, she has name recognition, memories from a prosperous time in this country, experience as a leader, in addition to the whole first woman Presidency thing. The winning coalition that Obama successfully used twice will vote her in 2016. I just hope she picks the right VP candidate that will help her get it done.

  

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138. "Hillary's Black Church Tour"
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I do not look forward to another round of that bull....

  

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139. "LMAO I forgot about that n/m"
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140. "lol so cringeworthy"
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143. "I don't feeeel no ways tiiiirrrrrrrrreeeed"
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146. "Inside the Ready for Hillary PAC"
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What I and my Hillary hating cohorts are up against


http://bcove.me/couqj1kx

Open Mike: Inside Ready for Hillary
By: Mike Allen
August 13, 2014 10:39 PM EDT

From this week’s Open Mike with Mitch Stewart, the Obama for America campaign veteran who's now a senior adviser to Ready for Hillary, the super PAC formed to encourage Clinton to run for president.

ALLEN: Lightning strikes and Secretary Clinton decides not to run. What happens to ready for Hillary?
STEWART: If she were to decide not to run, I think that a lot of that work would be transferable to whomever the nominee is. So I think it is to say that it is still additive to Democratic politics as a whole.

ALLEN: What do we already know is going to be different from 2016 from 2012?

STEWART: If you just look at the census right now and follow, if you want to say a linear path, in 2016 it will probably be 30 or 31 percent non-white. So number one the electorate will be way more diverse. And second is, its harder and harder to communicate with voters. You know the disparate view or opportunities to gather information is continuing to expand. So you can’t just focus on TV, you can’t just focus on print, you can’t just focus on online, you can’t just focus on off-line. You’re going to have to be much more creative in actually engaging people.

ALLEN: There is a huge potential for an enthusiasm cap getting people as excited for Hillary Clinton as they were for Barack Obama. That’s going to be a job.

STEWART: That’s what people said about 2012 and 2008. Actually, if you want to look, we had about 1.2 million volunteers in 2008. We had 2.2 million volunteers in 2012.

More of this conversation, including new details on the Ready for Hillary supporter database and how Stewart anticipates a Clinton 2016 electoral map differs from Obama 2012, in the video above.

  

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151. "Can people stop pretending Elizabeth Warren was ever gonna run"
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now?
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/sen-elizabeth-warren-disavows-2016-presidential-draft-effort/

  

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153. "Glenn Beck says she's gonna win"
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Not that he's nate silver or anything but...


Hillary Clinton will be the next president, Glenn Beck said on his radio show Tuesday.

Beck said a friend of his spoke with “some Hillary people†about her 2016 campaign strategy and after he heard it, he realized the former first lady and secretary of state would become the next White House occupant.

“You guys are going to all be fighting on Benghazi and everything else,†Beck said his friend told him. “And here is what Hillary is going to do: ‘Do you remember when America was good? Do you remember when America, we had jobs and we were building towards a brighter future? And things were really happening? Clinton administration. We had it under control. Things were good, they weren’t great. We’re going to do better. But we’re going to replant our flag in the traditional things that you understand. But the traditional things in the Clinton administration. We could talk about Ronald Reagan all we want. … But the Clinton years were the golden years.’â€

The radio host went on to say that the Clintons “have a vision that Americans generally remember and are comfortable with and like.â€

Beck said the death of four Americans during the Sept. 11, 2012, attack on the diplomatic compound in Benghazi won’t matter for Clinton’s 2016 chances.

“While we’re talking about technicalities and the past, they’re going to be talking about a past that was brightly remembered, and they will talk about the America we will become,†he added. “She. Will. Win.â€

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/09/glenn-beck-hillary-clinton-2016-win-110535.html#ixzz3CDADfUEL

  

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154. "LOL @ still believing in American politricks"
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People expecting ANY president to do anything but be a pawn?
Why?

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155. "Sooooo about this email scandal....."
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Iono, man. I kinda feel like this might be the final nail in her coffin.

I can see the machine trying to roll right through this one, but I can't help but feel something damaging is going to come from this.

Thoughts?

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156. "no more Bushes or Clintons please"
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I'm sooo glad this scandal happened.

I don't like that woman AT ALL.

  

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169. "RE: no more Bushes or Clintons please"
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>I'm sooo glad this scandal happened.
>
>I don't like that woman AT ALL.


When you envision the alternative yo' ass should be running to the polls to vote for ol' Hill Dog.

Both parties are shady. But this version of the Republicans r LUNATICS...

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157. "1. i don't care."
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2. the main ppl making noise about this are Republicans who were never going to vote for her anyway.

3. Hillary's main opponent is voter apathy among the Democratic base.

4. she really needs key Democrats like Presidents Clinton and Obama to stump for her and get THEIR supporters to turn out for her. not b/c they like her but b/c they'd rather have her in the WH than the Republican challenger. they need the base voters to wake the fuck up and get over their hurt feewings about her and vote not b/c they like her but b/c she's better for the nation than the Republican.

5. but i personally don't care that she used a private email server for professional purposes while at State. i also don't care that she may have deleted much of that email before turning over the remainder. i don't care that she won't turn over the server itself for inspection. i don't care if there are damaging professional email messages among those that were deleted.

6. i will vote for the Democrat who wins the Dem primary even if s/he or actually insults my mama on national television. i do not give a fuck about my personal feelings about the Democrat who wins the primary. fuck my feelings - my vote is about choosing the candidate who is best for the nation. that candidate is the Democrat, period.

fuck you.

  

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158. "Neither do I - I'm more thinking politically."
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>2. the main ppl making noise about this are Republicans who
>were never going to vote for her anyway.
>
>3. Hillary's main opponent is voter apathy among the
>Democratic base.

That and an outside challenger.
>
>4. she really needs key Democrats like Presidents Clinton and
>Obama to stump for her and get THEIR supporters to turn out
>for her. not b/c they like her but b/c they'd rather have her
>in the WH than the Republican challenger. they need the base
>voters to wake the fuck up and get over their hurt feewings
>about her and vote not b/c they like her but b/c she's better
>for the nation than the Republican.

She'll get that regardless, assuming, she's the nominee.
>
>5. but i personally don't care that she used a private email
>server for professional purposes while at State. i also don't
>care that she may have deleted much of that email before
>turning over the remainder. i don't care that she won't turn
>over the server itself for inspection. i don't care if there
>are damaging professional email messages among those that were
>deleted.

I care a little, but agree that whoever the dem nominee is will get my vote. I'm just worried this will hurt her in the primary - not the general election.
>
>6. i will vote for the Democrat who wins the Dem primary even
>if s/he or actually insults my mama on national television. i
>do not give a fuck about my personal feelings about the
>Democrat who wins the primary. fuck my feelings - my vote is
>about choosing the candidate who is best for the nation. that
>candidate is the Democrat, period.


Again, no argument here. I'm just worried this will hurt her in the primary, which might produce a not so strong candidate as a result.

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159. "i doubt this will hurt her in the primary."
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i don't see anyone challenging her for real in the primary. it could happen though. but i don't see it.

fuck you.

  

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164. "Hillary's team said this in 2007... LOL"
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165. "we had heard of Obama in 2007."
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there is no one on the horizon today who's poised to do what Obama did in 2008.

fuck you.

  

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167. "But people knew Obama was going to be a problem back in 2004"
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His speech at the Democratic Convention in '04 put him squarely in position for a presidential run.

If there was another Obama out there for the democrats, we'd knew about him/her by now. The closest ones are the Castro brothers, and they're in Hilary's pocket.

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170. "his polls numbers were laughable in 2007. "
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even in 2008 in the primaries it was hers to lose...

  

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173. "He was still a better known quantity than the rest of the non-Hilary fie..."
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for 2016. It's going to be Hilary.

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177. "we will see... but I hope her team isn't this confident. "
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If you can't beat a Black man named Barack Hussein Obama I don't think anything is guaranteed...

  

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168. "RE: 1. i don't care."
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>2. the main ppl making noise about this are Republicans who
>were never going to vote for her anyway.
>
>3. Hillary's main opponent is voter apathy among the
>Democratic base.
>
>4. she really needs key Democrats like Presidents Clinton and
>Obama to stump for her and get THEIR supporters to turn out
>for her. not b/c they like her but b/c they'd rather have her
>in the WH than the Republican challenger. they need the base
>voters to wake the fuck up and get over their hurt feewings
>about her and vote not b/c they like her but b/c she's better
>for the nation than the Republican.
>
>5. but i personally don't care that she used a private email
>server for professional purposes while at State. i also don't
>care that she may have deleted much of that email before
>turning over the remainder. i don't care that she won't turn
>over the server itself for inspection. i don't care if there
>are damaging professional email messages among those that were
>deleted.
>
>6. i will vote for the Democrat who wins the Dem primary even
>if s/he or actually insults my mama on national television. i
>do not give a fuck about my personal feelings about the
>Democrat who wins the primary. fuck my feelings - my vote is
>about choosing the candidate who is best for the nation. that
>candidate is the Democrat, period.



Yep to this^^^^^

I got my issues with Hill Dog. She plays the role of being above it all.

But I detest this current version of the Republican party. A LOT more. Those mofuckers shit on science and want the Lord's Prayer to be taught in kindergarten. They also showed their hand by being straight racist fucks that would call the President a Nigger if they could get away with it.

I'm going to vote for the other party that won't be foolish enough to send out a letter to an enemy country during a fragile time of nuclear talks just to make some silly, partisan, and bigoted fueled point....

Hill will get my vote, shady emails and all....

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176. "Most of this I agree with, except this point::"
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>Hill will get my vote, shady emails and all....

As of NOW, she's not getting my vote. But it has zero to do with "shady" e-mails. I just don't like the way she's positioned herself and not a fan of some of her past politics. Shit, people complain now about Obama making compromises, but the compromised version of Obama is still preferable politically than the type of candidate that Hilary is going to be.

Regardless, if Hilary "needs" my vote in 2016, she'll be in deep shit and California voting Democrat won't save her. But she won't need my vote and will in all likelihood win anyway.

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179. "no, she'll need YOUR vote."
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that attitude will result in a Republican in the WH in 2016.

vote for her w/your eyes closed. but vote for her. not voting for her is like voting for the GOP.

vote for her w/your eyes closed and send her a nasty email telling her why you don't like her.

but she will need your vote.

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184. "If there's a better candidate in general election, I'll vote for her/him"
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Now, that candidate might not exist. And if she/he doesn't come along, I'll hold my nose and vote Hilary. But I've never followed the logic of "Not voting for _____ is like voting for the Republican candidate." I understand the argument, but I've always disagreed with it, and it's not something I'm changing my view on. I'm still unapologetic for voting for Nader in '96 and '00. And I've always felt like a sell-out for voting for Kerry in '04 and I say that as someone who volunteered in his "Get Out to Vote" effort. (BTW, he didn't need my vote to carry Calfornia either).

Now, it may well be that I'll vote for her in the primary and the general election, but I'm not committing to her just yet. She's just gotta earn my vote first.

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187. "i voted for Nader in 2000."
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in Illinois. which Gore won.

i voted for Kucinich in the 2000 primary. and again in 2004, i think. but then i voted for Kerry in 2004. in Illinois. which he won.

since then i've put all of that aside and grown up.

i will vote for Hillary in the 2016 primary unless some other candidate wins my vote. and i'll vote for the Dem in the general election.

fuck you.

  

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191. "I dunno, I feel like asking the candidate to earn your vote is the most...."
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...grown-up thing you can do. My father taught me that.

I feel like voting for someone because he/she isn't that person you dislike is one of the things that leads to voter apathy. Kerry's 2004 slogan was essentially, "Vote for me! I'm not G.W. Bush!" And he lost in good part because the Republicans found something even more divisive to energize their own base: the threat of legal gay marriage.

So now I'm going to wait and see who runs what type of campaign. I know I'm not voting Republican or libertarian or any of that other dumb shit, but I want to believe in the candidate that I vote for.

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194. "Ideally, you & your father are on the right track..."
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The reality is that we have a 2-party stranglehold on things. These days, voting defensively is sometimes just as important as voting for a candidate you fully support.

  

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195. "right."
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in an ideal world they're right. and i'm w/them.

but i live in THIS world. and in this world i watched GWB get elected when many ppl who'd have voted against him stayed home b/c they were mad @ Gore or at Kerry or b/c they felt neither candidate had 'earned' their vote.

i hope all of those ppl learned their lesson. too bad the rest of us had to learn it w/them. i certainly learned it the hard way and i will apply that lesson in 2016 when i vote for Hillary though i don't 'like' her.

fuck you.

  

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200. "Hence the "I live and vote in California" part of the equation"
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I can't say how I'd vote if the presidential election was a strict popular vote or if I lived in Ohio (though I doubt I'd EVAR live in Ohio), but neither of those are the case, so I can happily stick my principles here. Because, again, if Hilary is in danger of losing California, then she's not winning anyway.

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202. "cool."
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but keep that attitude to yourself.

it's too nuanced and others who feel like you but live in key states may adopt that attitude and then they stay home in the general and then we end up w/a GOP prez.

fuck you.

  

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160. "Is there nobody else?"
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A contentious primary would be very good for the nominee regardless. It will get dem voters actively back in to things. Just sliding through a Clinton nominee will turn a lot of folk off.

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161. "no. damn."
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so get the fuck over it.

that should be one of her campaign slogans:

Hillary 2016 - Get the fuck over it.

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171. "Ha!"
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>
>Hillary 2016 - Get the fuck over it.
>
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163. "Nope. And I don't think a contentious primary would help her chances"
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The dynamics are a little different, but in the lead-up to 2012 everyone knew it was going to be Romney that would get the nomination. But it was preceded by like 12 months of the various candidates hitting each other with chairs, making each others look even stupider than usual, and literally trying out every other wing-nut candidate before the Republican electorate eventually said, "Okay, fine, it's Romney. Jesus, just end this dumb shit already."

There's no new candidate out there that's going to energize the base, so the right people are going to have to try to get people excited about Hilary and one of the Castro's as her running-mate.

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203. "honestly, if Dems care so much about us NOT voting 3rd party,"
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Just don't give us Hillary then

  

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205. "voting against your personal interest b/c of your feelings"
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is for the Republicans.

we're better than that.

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162. "Hillary 2016 slogans:"
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- "Get the fuck over it"

- "Shut the fuck up"

- "Yeah. Her. Now. Deal."

- "And?"

- "You don't have to like it"

- "Warren isn't running"

- "Withholding your vote won't punish her"

- "Voting against your personal interest b/c of your feelings is for the Republicans. Stop it."

- "Don't make me turn this car around"

- "What'd you say?!?"

- "We did it before. We can do it again."

fuck you.

  

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174. "You need to write comedy."
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175. ""Let's Do It Again""
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Get Mavis on the theme song with Bill doing the sax solo.

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178. "lol @ "Don't make me turn this car around""
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180. ""What'd you say?!?""
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223. "I read these all in lecture-y Hilldawg voice in my head"
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>- "Get the fuck over it"
>
>- "Shut the fuck up"
>
>- "Yeah. Her. Now. Deal."
>
>- "And?"
>
>- "You don't have to like it"
>
>- "Warren isn't running"
>
>- "Withholding your vote won't punish her"
>
>- "Voting against your personal interest b/c of your feelings
>is for the Republicans. Stop it."
>
>- "Don't make me turn this car around"
>
>- "What'd you say?!?"
>
>- "We did it before. We can do it again."

  

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181. "Is it wrong to not support Hillary because she is so mistrusted?"
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Like anyone else with this e-mail scandal wouldn't be a blip but for her the opposition is pretty certain that who killed Kennedy is in those emails. The conspiracy theories are crazy all ready.

Even though technically riling up the press, conspiracy theorist and republicans isn't really her fault would it be wrong not to support her because I just don't feel up to 8 years of THOSE PEOPLE acting crazy??

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182. "yes. it is."
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i don't like her either but i will support her candidacy and vote for her b/c i don't want the Republicans to win. period.

that is enough for me.

in the mean time i may send her a nasty email or 2 telling her why i dislike her so much. that'll help me manage my feelings while i do the right thing and vote for her.

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She probably needs that kind of input from here own team.

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185. "voter apathy among the Democratic base is her main opponent."
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plenty ppl in the base dislike her - it's personal for them. and i hope she and her campaign are able to move the base beyond their personal feelings about HER and get them to focus on what's important - getting a Democrat in the WH in 2016. or at least keeping a Republican out of the WH in 2016.

us having a president we LIKE is **NOT** the goal. it is **NOT** what's most important. we don't have to vote for someone we'd have a beer with. or who we'd have brunch with. or who we'd follow on IG or Twitter. this is not a popularity contest. it's about electing a president and about keeping the wrong person from being elected.

that's why i said i don't care about the email scandal - b/c it's not like i'm going to vote for someone else in the primary or the gen election b/c of this scandal. that's why i say i don't care. yeah it makes me question her decision making and her character - but not to the point that i'm going to vote for someone else. so i don't care.

hell, Hillary could have emailed my lil nephew a pic of Bill's dick and i'd STILL vote for her. that's how little i care about this email scandal.

fuck you.

  

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190. "Thing is I actually like her. Well I like Bill. I just hate all the dram..."
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they attract.

I definitely would vote for her to keep a republican out of the white house.

Bin can miss me with that throwing a vote away on some green party ish.

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186. "This e-mail shit is only a scandal because "ZOMG BENGHAZI""
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Republicans are looking to pin any possible dirt on her because they're own candidates are stumbling and bumbling before this thing has even started.

There are reasons not to like Hilary. Not "trusting" her isn't one of them.

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188. "regardless of why, how or who... it's a bad look"
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I'll vote for her over a Repub but she won't get my primary vote.

  

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192. "No one has adequately explained why, or even if this is clearly illegal"
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It's all, "ZOMG HILARY IS HIDING SOMETHING!!!"

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213. "it's not 'illegal' but it violated State dept policy and looks shady."
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In 2009 the State department issued a new policy requiring employees and officials to use the email address provided by the department for all work related email correspondence. The reasoning was at least 2-fold - for security (State servers should be among most secure in the world - no hax) and for monitoring (officials and employees might use email to conduct shady biz). Hillary used her own private email address to conduct official biz. Bc she didn't want to carry 2 phones, she says. Plus the former prez who lives at her house uses it and it is literally guarded by the Secret Service so she said the security issue is moot and she archived the official biz email and then gave them to State (after purging them of personal biz) so she says it's all gucci. But the whole thing looks shady bc of the purging. Who did it? Under what standard? By who power?? She says she didn't violate the State policy - at least the spirit of the policy. Her opponents ain't going for it.

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219. "Eh, that sounds like a lot of potential smoke but no fire"
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Plus, given the explanation you just wrote, I doubt the average American can/does understand what, if anything, she did was actually clear-cut wrong. It's not "She closed a bridge because her opponent didn't endorse her" clear cut. That's easy to understand. It sounds like it's just possible policy violation and deleted e-mails that may or may not have said anything "incriminating" at all. Tempest in a tea-cup stuff because her opponents and the press are looking for something damaging before the race really starts.

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221. "Basically."
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fuck you.

  

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207. "i don't necesarily trust her"
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i don't think there was some smoking gun in her deleted emails. probably just more stuff that her team know could be spun in that direction.

but in general, i don't really trust her. the clintons are shrewd politicians. i just assume everything they say and do has at least 5 layers of calculated phoniness on top of it.

  

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196. "i'd rather those people act crazy out of power than in it"
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let them throw their tantrums, and write their letters and have their symbolic votes repealing whateverthefuck. as long as there's a decent goalie in the whitehouse we'll be ok.

having a republican president making supreme court appointments, or a republican in office when dems haven't even got the senate back is pretty fucking scary.

i can't stand hilary. shit, i can't stand 95% of democrats, but they're unfortunately the only safeguard against complete insanity.

  

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197. "this:"
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>having a republican president making supreme court
>appointments, or a republican in office when dems haven't even
>got the senate back is pretty fucking scary.

^ that's why i'm voting for the Democrat in the general w/o regard for how much or whether i 'like' her. or him.

fuck you.

  

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193. "People obsessed w/ the email scandal are missing the mark."
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I understand the arguments against Clinton breaking protocol so that she could have her private email and be in full, calculative control of her records - and some of it is valid.

I care more that she is an authoritarian war hawk who supports unsubstantiated bombings, proliferation of drones, wars of aggression, carte-blanche acquiesce to Israel's hard-line extremism, the DHS, failed drug wars, NSA, Gitmo, torture, bank bonus bailouts, corporatism, violations of human rights abroad and at home.

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199. "you should write in a candidate."
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b/c all of the candidates printed on the ballot will be Baphomet anyway.

fuck you.

  

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201. "you've been riding hard for Hill-dog since 2008. "
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I remember you riding hard for her over Obeezy - so i expected your fervent
loyalty to her to surface again.

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204. "uh...no."
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LOL

anyway, i dislike Hillary and will vote for her anyway in 2016 b/c i think her victory is more important than my feewings.

i am supporting her in the primary b/c i think she has the best shot at winning the general at this point. should some other candi

wait. i don't care who wins the nomination they have my vote in November 2016. and i hope whomever wins the primary is able to turn out enough Dems to get the victory in the general.

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206. "she'll likely run unopposed through the dem. primary."
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Someone like Sanders might run just to spruce up the debates and to take a philosophical stand, but until money is expunged out of the political system, nobody will ever be able
to challenge the establishment candidates.

Even w/ that being said, I still contend that people are ready to get behind somebody like Warren or Sanders in more substantial numbers. Establishment centrism is so blasé.

And Clinton is uber-establishment. But yes - I get it - she's seemingly not as disastrous as
Jebby Bush - so we should all order our bumper stickers now and get on board in furthering our broken presidential election process. That said, if you really scrutinize her record/work, her track record is pretty abysmal when it comes to issues progressives (allegedly) care about.

Britain is not the only place where we have a royal family. Bush and Clinton 4-eva!



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208. "I'll say this: she's not running unopposed in the Primary"
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>Someone like Sanders might run just to spruce up the debates
>and to take a philosophical stand, but until money is expunged
>out of the political system, nobody will ever be able
>to challenge the establishment candidates.

Sanders is a pragmatist. He won't run. Not even to get more progressive ideas out there.

However, Biden will almost certainly run. And so will Jim Webb. And probably Martin O'Malley. Someone with executive experience will be in the mix. The latter two won't move the meter at all though.

>Even w/ that being said, I still contend that people are ready
>to get behind somebody like Warren or Sanders in more
>substantial numbers.

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210. "If Webb, O'Malley, and Biden run - where is the distinction?"
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That would be basically a token challenge to Clinton, mere sparring
partners helping her for the big fight with Bush. None of those names
are divorced from Clinton on any of the big issues.

With Sanders and Warren, you would have a *real* debate, real disagreement,
and distinctive differences of opinion on the big issues of the day.

So absent a run from somebody like Sanders and Warren, HillDog will
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212. "Webb is pushing for southern whites."
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There'll be a difference.

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214. "RE: Webb is pushing for southern whites."
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>There'll be a difference.

what's the major policy difference?

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237. "He'll likely move to Hillary's left on culture/social issues."
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215. "Which is why he has an outside shot at a VP nomination"
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Because they could decide that they want a Southern white man on the ticket to bring in those votes.

I think the odds are that it'll be one of the Castros who gets the VP nominee. Considering that the GOP is probably making Rubio or Susana Martinez their VP nominee, there's no way the Dems are going to chance not overtly appealing to the Hispanic population.

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216. " there's an identity politics difference, but not so much a policy one"
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he's a southern white, male christian war veteran, which a certain part of the population will def find more appealing.

but policy wise there isn't much real estate between the two (3 if you count Biden), which i think is more what Vex was getting at.



  

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211. "Honestly, I don't think Biden's running."
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Webb DEFINITELY is tho. He's positioning himself to take 'centrist' white voters.

You know the kind of ppl who completely lost their shit when Obama was elected but are somehow still progressive?

lol

*rolls eyes*

When I heard his interview on NPR I was SO disappointed in him.

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218. "what did he say?"
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>When I heard his interview on NPR I was SO disappointed in
>him.

  

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220. "Biden will try, because he's always wanted to be president"
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He's too old/too crazy to pull it off, but he'll make a go of it. Almost a year ago he already started his campaign to take credit for the stuff Hilary did as Sect. of State. I imagine that will continue, as well as flex his foreign policy record.

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222. "Biden's actually pretty great in debates"
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people tried to focus on him being disrespectful, but content-wise, he ripped Paul Ryan to shreds.

people also tried to say that Palin "won", but the bar was set so low for her, really all she really did was manage to not say something monumentally stupid like she normally does, which was really just a victory over herself.

he did great in the 08 primaries as well.

  

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224. "Masterful, even."
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I just don't see him going there, tho. I'm pretty sure he knows his ship has sailed.

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209. "Hail to the queen."
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Lol

fuck you.

  

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198. "I'm surprised "sniper fire" hasn't returned"
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given all this Brian Williams, and O'reilly stuff.

  

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225. "She's going to announce on Sunday"
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226. "good luck with that."
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227. "Please Vote for Whomever the Democractic Candidate is unless you"
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really want to see the poor get poorer and Our Middle class asses joining them under a republican Presidency.

DOn't be brats be reasonable. She is by far the lesser of two evils. That 3rd party candidate shit is a pipe dream. There are two political parties with clout Democrats and Republican. DOn't waste votes on people who have no chance of winning.

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230. "I hate when folks say the 3rd party has no chance..."
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if folks actually vote with rationale...the third party would have a shot...but that attitude is why nothing will change...regardless if they are democrat or republican...

Rhode Island had a 3rd party guy that got 22% of the vote and he spent less than $50 for his entire campaign...some folks are getting sick of politics as usual...

  

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231. "Its reality."
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No chance for a 3rd party candidate in 2016.

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239. "With Citezens United in play, it impossible. "
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No 3rd party is gonna have the loot to get in the game. Now, if we can get publicly-funded elections and equalize the money, then it may have a shot. Even with that, there would have to be an insanely compelling candidate to draw enough people away from the norms. I could see it happening with younger people, but, for right now, there are way too many old people set in their ways.

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240. "There's a *small* difference between Rhode Island and America."
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>Rhode Island had a 3rd party guy that got 22% of the vote and
>he spent less than $50 for his entire campaign...some folks
>are getting sick of politics as usual...

Roughly 317.845 million people.

It's *slightly* easier for someone small to achieve a majority vote out of 1 million people than out of a pool 318 times that size.

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232. "Man...."
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233. "Bernie Sanders yall."
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Please be ACTUALLY progressive this election

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236. "Citizen's United solidified my non-GOP presidential vote."
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whoever it is.

those Supreme Court picks are too damn important.

And THIS Obama supporter gives his presidency a solid B+. GW was a D, at best

so that was definitely change I'm happy with. was it everything we all wanted? of course not. No president will ever be. But I believe he did the best he possibly could and made decisions from a balanced perspective and i'm good with that.

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>those Supreme Court picks are too damn important.

All about those SC seats.

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