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And Black (female) Twitter is also hating.

her as if she said it wrong..


>I was hoping this movie would fade into oblivion...

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Please retire that word.

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She just doesn't have that A list star power that studio execs crave.
Loved her in "Pariah", btw.
Zoe is the go-to chick for anything that requires a Black (or even Latin) female lead. There can only be room for one.

she's been blessed to be part of some movies that did big business but has she ever demonstrated that she can actually carry a movie on her own back?

I don't remember Colombiana burning up the box office... and even on TV, Rosemary's Baby isn't likely to do much either.

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The casting of Jamie in Ray was not predicated on the notion that he had the power to open a movie.

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It was based on the fact that Jamie was considered a good actor, who could actually sing and play the piano and seemed to evoke Ray physically.

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with the double-hit of "Ray" and "Collateral".

At least as I recall it.

He has a dramatic part in "Ali", but I don't recall him getting much notice for it.

I still feel like casting Foxx as Ray Charles was still something of a gamble, but that's also an apples-to-oranges situation. People are primarily outraged about Zoe Saldana because she's lighter and more "European looking" than Nina Simone. Foxx didn't receive such criticism.

Moreover, with "Ray", we're still talking about an independent movie, but one that cost over four times what "Nina" cost to make and had a few more supporting known faces to balance out the cast than "Nina" has.

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The argument is always made that Zoe has to star in this because she's the only black actress who can open a movie... and I think that is a fair enough consideration. After all, this is a business.

But the question is: How true IS that claim? What movie has Zoe actually opened? Not as part of an ensemble with a superstar director who already has the box office power, not playing in a licensed property or cult series that already has a rabid fanbase... what movie has Zoe starred in that people rushed to see BECAUSE it starred Zoe Saldana?

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It seems like the powers that be are justifying this with box office success that can't really be attributed to her specifically. Star Wars, Avatar and Drumline weren't really about her.



>The argument is always made that Zoe has to star in this
>because she's the only black actress who can open a movie...
>and I think that is a fair enough consideration. After all,
>this is a business.
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>But the question is: How true IS that claim? What movie has
>Zoe actually opened? Not as part of an ensemble with a
>superstar director who already has the box office power, not
>playing in a licensed property or cult series that already has
>a rabid fanbase... what movie has Zoe starred in that people
>rushed to see BECAUSE it starred Zoe Saldana?

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the difference, not that she was the lead or not.

And when I say makes the difference, I mean to the money people who are bankrolling the film. I'm fairly certain that if it was purely artistic decision (which it never is for a movie that other people are paying for you to make), they'd've chosen the girl from Pariah and not Zoe Saldana.

>the difference, not that she was the lead or not.
>
>And when I say makes the difference, I mean to the money
>people who are bankrolling the film. I'm fairly certain that
>if it was purely artistic decision (which it never is for a
>movie that other people are paying for you to make), they'd've
>chosen the girl from Pariah and not Zoe Saldana.

She is doing well in big budget action movies. Just stick with that.
maybe show up in an indie project here and there.

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I don't know the exact specifics about the studio backing this film, or the distribution.
It could be Focus Features, or IFC for all I know.
Even still, Zoe is more bankable in the mainstream than most Black actresses.
Besides, all it takes is an oscar nod during the "December academy-award rush" to ensure a victory.
I see how Hollywood wants to groom Zoe into the next "Halle Berry" (if you will).

It didn't do what it should have. Its implausibility (and ambiguity in tone and storyline) may have had something to do with that, as well the fact that, no matter what its quality, it was coming out in August through a secondary distributor and Saldana was _the_ only known face in the film.

but you have problems with this, you might be the one with race/color issues.

It's about who can play the role AND open the movie.

Then why not give the role to a White woman, or asian?
Hell.....why stop there? Give the role to Rupal.
Oversimplifying the real issue by deeming any criticism as having color issues just doesn't fly.

>but you have problems with this, you might be the one with
>race/color issues.

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He looked like Denzel, but embodied the role of Malcolm.

They did not just dye her hair for this role, they changed her face, her skin color and her overall appearance for her to play the role. This isn't a role about a blue alien, this is a person that exists. There are people who are just as talented who could have played the role without the added blackening-up. The producers didn't even try, they just went Klump as a first resort.

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http://www.womenshealthmag.com/files/wh6_uploads/images/zoe-saldana-art.jpg

Have you ever considered the possibility that she's often lit and retouched to look lighter than her actual skin tone?

What the blood claaat???

http://versedonline.com/nina-simone-webpage-bashes-zoe-saldana-in-published-letter/

Or you can look at her hand in comparison to her face in the same picture that was originally shared.

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Okay, they're darkening her up. That's some ol fuck shit.

plus nina's complexion was something she found pride in

this is just ridiculous. saldana's make up doesn't even look natural, she just looks dirty.

considering a big part of Nina's thang was speaking up for dark-skinned black women and was also about speaking up for black women who aren't considered classically beautiful in that European sense, casting Zoe just doesn't work at all. it'd be like casting a white guy to play Malcolm.

fuck you.

U smarter than this....

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but I have noticed that skin-color casting complaints are a lot quieter when the actor is darker than the subject.

>but I have noticed that skin-color casting complaints are a
>lot quieter when the actor is darker than the subject.

Nobody is talking about skin color...That would be simplistic, no?

People in the know are discussing Nina's actual history and how her looks (nose, weight, color, hair, ect...)played into her empowering message...

I think you know that, homie...

This ain't no silly paper bag debate...

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Nah...I'm going to let u rock on this strawman steez, homie...lol

Bringing up every black actor in Hollywood on some "See, Denzel did it...Jaimie did it!!!!," ect ain't cutting it (dull knife and all...word to JB)...

Maybe this movie will push people to actually read a couple of books about Nina to get what folks are talking about....

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a list of actors who've played Frederick Douglass:

http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0029197/?ref_=fn_ch_ch_1

Again...I think u r trying a one size fits all approach to this...

And you are using a pretty fucking big shoe horn....

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Malcolm's looks were relatively unimportant as far his story

Nina's looks and complexion is a large part of her story and her message

other than Malcolm being known as "Red" (which Denzel pulled off with minimal obvious makeup issues) not withstanding

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You ever hear the way that girl talks? Zoe doesn't have much of a "Blaccent." She doesn't look anything like her, either. And she can't sing. So why was she cast in this role again?

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and she wanted the role. it's not rocket science

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I can see why some people would be offended if (for example) Nia Long was cast to play Celia Cruz in a film. I can see the same dynamic here. Remember the controversy that ensued when Jennifer Lopez was cast as Selena?

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End of the day, Zoe Saldana is a black American (even if she ain't a Black American)

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In this case, I agree that it's not that big of a deal. Zoe is a black American.

If a role called for subtle nuances, then I definitely think that culture matters a lot. It's like when non-American Blacks (or even non-southern American Blacks) try to play roles set in the south back-in-the-day. Their accents are so fake and terrible that it's actually a little annoying.

I picked out Stringer Bell and Chris Partlow were easy to spot as being "dropped in" to a role (for example). Their accents, body language, mannerisms, etc. were all so obviously contrived. They just didn't match the setting of the Wire.

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I felt his accent work and mannerisms were strained, but Idris claims that a lot of street dudes really felt his performance on a deep level... to the point that he has to address fans in an American accent so as not to traumatize them with his real voice.

As for Chris Partlow... I don't know why you would say that; Gbenga is a black American of Nigerian descent. Ultimately, all of these cats are ACTORS. In the end, it's about whether they do a good job or a bad job. But the culture in which they actually grew up should not be relevant. It's like arguing that Leonard Nimoy can't play Spock well because he's not a Vulcan background.

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In the Wire, the hood in Baltimore was being portrayed, and Chris just didn't fit into that setting. He didn't even sound like a hood dude to me.

Kinda like, if they were filming a flick about hip hop in the Bronx in 1985, and there were people that were cast as NYC natives, but had California or Mississippi accents. That would stand out right away. Or a film set in the deep south, but the dude cast as the sharecropper's son had a Boston accent. Wouldn't fly.

I don't think it matters as much in this Nina Simone flick tho.

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You can kinda hear his accent, but at the time most people had no clue that he wasn't American. I was definitely shocked when I found out and i'm from Md

I think him playing a person from bmore helped a lot with that though. I've always thought that md accents sound slightly brittish in some crazy way

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It matters when said subject's looks was a huge part of her message...

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When I read lines like:

"Nobody has a problem when Af-Ams play Africans or Jamaicans"

"It's pure blackness policing"

I don't see much specifics culturally being discussed....

I think one of the proper ways to go at this is with the understanding of the Nina's specific message and how she utilized her looks for that message...Not blanket statements about "culture"....Of course there are some folks that are on some WHY A DOMINICAN-AMERICAN PLAYING AN AFRICAN AMERICAN?!!!"

But most people in this thread are coming with more direct gripes...Like Zoe's make-up looking totally idiotic...Or the fact that the woman she is playing made her looks an important part of her message of black self love....

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it was not about Zoe's looks or the makeup or anything.

Someone introduced the notion that she was not culturally in tune to play Nina (perhaps because she's a Latina? I dunno... that was not really explored)

I say that part is irrelevant. As long as she ain't playing Nina with a Spanish accent, it don't matter where her parents come from.

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When an AfAm, African or AfroBrit is cast.

>it was not about Zoe's looks or the makeup or anything.



Nah...it's strawman direction that JF wants this convo to go...lol

I already know the angle u r coming at this with (the African being amused by the inner race politics of African-Americans...)

But the OP is merely doing the old "y'all mad because she ain't black enough" shit...

If people would only open up a book and read something about Nina Simone they would understand that this casting is deeper than cosmetics...I mean I even saw the word "hating" used...lol...Like for real?

But yeah...it's all good...

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and Nina Simone's history be damned. You think Hollywood is going to greenlight a film starring an unattractive Black woman? The days of "Sister Act" are long gone.

This is what I'm reading from you, homie:

"Zoe black, but not black enough and they mad. There would be
a fraction of this outrage if they cast Nia Long or Gabrielle
Union..."


And I guess my point is you are boiling this down to some very A + B = shit...lol...And I guess if we were on Bossip that would be a huge part of the debate....

Using the word "mad" and "hating" kinda drags this discussion down to bullshit levels like we were discussing a Dipset song from 10 years ago...

Especially when all anyone has to do is do a little knowledge on who actually Nina Simone was and what she stood for....

But I guess I'm asking for too much, brother JF...

Do you, dog....And see u at the top...

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I don't have a horse in this race. I'm not a big fan of Nina Simone or Zoe Saldana, and probably won't see the film.

I have, however, noticed an odd intra-racial dynamic developing on this site #THATSITE), twitter, and "the black internet" in general. Call it a baclkash to euro-centric beauty standards, but there is a rise in "light-skinned" othering, and a reluctance to claim multi-racial or multi-cultural black people as black.

25 years ago, Black America would have laid FULL claim to Zoe, Drake and Lolo.

Oh...so this is a TROLL post?

Ah...carry on, homie...And on the real...no beef...U r one of my dude's on these here threads...

I'm just saying...Shit ain't always straight no chaser...Ya dig?

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