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Binlahab
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"ok nerds who read: where or who is writing the Great Black Novel"


  

          

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i mean my africans got a new crop of next big things every year ala teju cole or whatever dudes name is

my mexicans get a new crop every year

asians? i guess they got some hot shit dropping, every year

but us?

best we got is ghetto/urban/street lit which is SOOO perfectly ok for a slight lil read to transisition from work to home on the subway or whatever

but wheres our manchild in the promised land...for 2013?

not ONE toni morrison on the horizon for us that i can see

maybe yall know somebody

best we got as it stands is ol gal who wrote push & sister souljah

morpheme? ike moses? where the gatdamn manuscript @ allready?! sheesh


do or die

  

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I'm just going to say that one Toni Morrison is a lot.
Apr 22nd 2013
1
that & $5 would get her a latte.
Apr 22nd 2013
8
      Again, I see what you're saying
Apr 22nd 2013
15
      undeniable & i wouldnt dream of taking that from her.
Apr 22nd 2013
      Literature and Music are not the same thing in regards to relevancy
Aug 24th 2014
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           nope. a novel written 40 yrs ago does not speak to
Aug 24th 2014
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                RE: nope. a novel written 40 yrs ago does not speak to
Mar 10th 2019
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ike moses
Apr 22nd 2013
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RE: ike ^stole my answer^
Apr 22nd 2013
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      hes got the glow but hes scared
Apr 22nd 2013
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The Great Black Novel would only be read by whitefolks.
Apr 22nd 2013
3
strike 1, 2, 3 & youre out
Apr 22nd 2013
4
i liked emperor of ocean park!
Apr 22nd 2013
7
better or worse than maintenance man 2 by mike baisden?
Apr 22nd 2013
9
lol, i hate you. and i noticed your little snip in the og post...smh
Apr 22nd 2013
12
      hunh?
Apr 22nd 2013
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           I thought we was the only ones that did this nm
Sep 09th 2015
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RE: i liked emperor of ocean park!
Mar 07th 2019
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i don't see how you diss any of them niggas.
Apr 22nd 2013
11
like so.
Apr 22nd 2013
13
That was a good book.
Apr 22nd 2013
41
      Palace Council and Emperor of Ocean Park were the same?
Apr 22nd 2013
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i just put a hold out on ward's book today. heard good things.
Apr 22nd 2013
5
it took me a long time to warm up to it, but i think it's going to last
Apr 22nd 2013
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      ^^^this is exactly what i want
Apr 22nd 2013
20
good looking on colson, i just downloaded zone one... YES
Apr 22nd 2013
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I liked Big Machine a lot, tho prior to the ending I loved it
Apr 22nd 2013
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Bin doesn't believe West Indian niggas is Black enough.
Apr 22nd 2013
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they not Black @ all. just like im not West indian.
Apr 22nd 2013
34
Victor LaValle's not West Indian tho. He's from Jamaica, Queens
Apr 22nd 2013
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      i thought his mother was from the islands, but checking now
Apr 22nd 2013
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The ending did leave a little something to be desired.
Apr 22nd 2013
42
literary equivelant of Wesley Snipes shouting 'NOOOO' holdin a crackhead
Apr 22nd 2013
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Honestly curious--what made you like the book?
Apr 22nd 2013
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I loved it up until the later parts of the San Francisco stuff
Apr 22nd 2013
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      I didn't understand it
Apr 22nd 2013
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           well, there really are all kinds of clues
Oct 05th 2015
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It's a GREAT piece of Fiction, but it's also super messy
Sep 07th 2015
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i loved the ending. i thought the first 100 pages or so
Mar 11th 2019
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I liked the Intuitionist by Colson Whitehead.
Apr 22nd 2013
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that's where i know the name from n/m
Apr 22nd 2013
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the Intuitionist was such a chore for me
Apr 22nd 2013
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i just finished it and it felt like a chore as well
Mar 11th 2019
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i can barely get through this.
Jul 11th 2014
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I love Colson
Apr 22nd 2013
47
John Henry Days was good, forgot about that one.
Apr 22nd 2013
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You gave me "John Henry Days"
Jul 11th 2014
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agreed re: "salvage the bones"
Apr 22nd 2013
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the 12 tribes of hattie had its moments.
Jul 17th 2014
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hmm, colson whitehead, def; percival everett, and
Apr 27th 2014
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oh you mention these guys in later posts :o)
Apr 27th 2014
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Salvage the Bones is a remarkable book
Sep 07th 2015
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I should revisit it sometime.
Sep 14th 2015
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Salvage the bones was really good...
Sep 14th 2015
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LaValle has roots in Uganda btw n/m
Mar 10th 2019
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you had better look at ike...
Apr 22nd 2013
6
Re: Zadie Smith
Apr 22nd 2013
19
correct.
Apr 22nd 2013
21
the ending undermines White Teeth's "Blackness"
Apr 22nd 2013
59
U ever read Tuff by paul beatty? Or the White Boy Shuffle?
Apr 22nd 2013
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White Boy Shuffle is my shit
Apr 22nd 2013
14
Yeah. beatty's that dude. Very much NOT the stuffy intellectual
Apr 22nd 2013
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I read Tuff a looooong time ago. I remember liking it.
Apr 22nd 2013
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both are great
Apr 22nd 2013
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The SLANG.IS.SO.BAD
Apr 20th 2014
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      ^^ awful^^
Apr 26th 2014
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      that's on purpose though
Jul 11th 2014
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What would it be about?
Apr 22nd 2013
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uh...being Black in america?
Apr 22nd 2013
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      the thing is that
Apr 22nd 2013
29
           yes! gentrification got to be in there
Apr 22nd 2013
31
                i think the interesting part of that story
Apr 22nd 2013
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Any of yall read "Standing at the Scratch Line"?
Apr 22nd 2013
23
great read
Apr 22nd 2013
55
Yes! It was a great read nm
Apr 20th 2014
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Very entertaining, but not very literary
Apr 20th 2014
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      what does that mean?
Apr 21st 2014
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           literary are novels that aimed to read as high art
Jul 11th 2014
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                I'm not getting how it applies here
Jul 11th 2014
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                     I haven't read his novel, so I can't say, BUT
Jul 11th 2014
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                     It's an action book, and itt protagonist is practically a superhero
Jul 11th 2014
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and i'll read anything Percival Everett drops
Apr 22nd 2013
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what three do you recommend
Apr 22nd 2013
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American Desert, I am Not Sidney Poitier, and Assumption
Apr 22nd 2013
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      right on, right on
Apr 22nd 2013
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Loved I am not Sidney
Apr 26th 2014
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erasure is my favourite favourite book
Apr 27th 2014
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i'm gonna hitch my wagon here. good look. nm
Jan 28th 2015
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yo, ike, i love you for putting me onto this cat.
Sep 07th 2015
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Ike Moses Fesmerized this post, LOL
Oct 08th 2015
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and The Known World is about to be 10 years old
Apr 22nd 2013
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RE: and The Known World is about to be 10 years old
Apr 22nd 2013
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Man, I'd buy it the second it dropped
Apr 22nd 2013
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^^
Apr 23rd 2013
75
zz packer needs to write a novel
Apr 22nd 2013
38
It's been too long
Apr 22nd 2013
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yes, indeed.
Apr 22nd 2013
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Kiese Laymon (OC '98)
Apr 22nd 2013
40
I dug both of them.
Apr 20th 2014
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here is an interview my friend Jamie Moore had with him
Jul 11th 2014
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picks not on the list yet
Apr 22nd 2013
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Was hoping it would be Randall Kenan. His short stories were everything.
Apr 22nd 2013
51
Gayl Jones
Apr 22nd 2013
53
i love gayle jones
Apr 27th 2014
126
Walter Mosley has a new Easy Rawlins novel coming out in May
Apr 22nd 2013
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Toure n/m
Apr 22nd 2013
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LOL
Apr 20th 2014
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I want Black writers writing about being Black now!
Apr 22nd 2013
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Whitehead's Zone One is the best zombie fiction you'll ever read
Apr 22nd 2013
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I've never read a Zombie novel, But
Apr 22nd 2013
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it involves zombies. actual zombies. but it's not about zombies.
Apr 22nd 2013
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      read the first 15-20pgs recently. was bored
Jul 11th 2014
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First book of his I put down
Apr 26th 2014
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The first day is slow, but it's worth finishing.
Apr 27th 2014
120
Agreed
Sep 12th 2015
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Hold it til it hurts, T.Geronimo Johnson
Apr 23rd 2013
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Walter Mosley's Leonid McGill series
Apr 23rd 2013
74
Like Trees Walking by Ravi Howard was wonderful
Apr 23rd 2013
76
Love McKnigt
Apr 23rd 2013
77
i got three shorts left to read from LaValle's Slapboxing With Jesus, it...
Apr 20th 2014
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The Ecstatic was some good fucked-up fun, Big Machine was on its way
Apr 20th 2014
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      Yes. they are VERY linked much linked shorts
Apr 20th 2014
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      Finished The Ecstatic last night
Jul 11th 2014
132
Tayari Jones
Apr 20th 2014
80
I was going to suggest the "Cheyneysville Incident"
Apr 20th 2014
84
man the last THIRD of that book should be a movie
Sep 30th 2014
167
Danzy Senna showed a lot of potential with "Caucasia"
Apr 20th 2014
85
i found out she's married to Percival Everrett
Jul 11th 2014
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That's a HUGE part of Caucasia
Jul 11th 2014
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      my white ex gave me that book.
Jul 11th 2014
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her other books are good as well
Jul 11th 2014
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The Great Black American one-hour cable TV drama would be more relevant
Apr 20th 2014
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I actually think that's harder to achieve for us.
Apr 21st 2014
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They are all underground MCs
Apr 20th 2014
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Great recommendations throughout the post
Apr 20th 2014
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I am writing the novel you need to buy this summer:
Apr 20th 2014
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does "Dick Too Bomb" count?
Apr 20th 2014
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SMDH
Apr 20th 2014
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Ass...I googled this bs and actually listened to the song
Apr 20th 2014
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      I was talking about the novel being written by 3 of OKP's finest
Apr 21st 2014
103
Did anyone read 12 tribes of Hattie
Apr 20th 2014
96
Off topic but is The Alchemist as good as some claim?
Apr 20th 2014
97
Self help bullshit masquerading as an allegorical novel.
Apr 21st 2014
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agreed
Apr 21st 2014
101
No you're not
Apr 21st 2014
105
been saying this for years
Apr 26th 2014
108
completely agree... and thought I was the only one lol
Apr 26th 2014
115
im with you on this
Apr 27th 2014
125
It's pretty good, nothing to write home about.
Apr 21st 2014
100
Maybe Jeffery Renard Allen?
Apr 21st 2014
99
was just about to page you
Apr 21st 2014
107
incidentally
Apr 21st 2014
104
Ain't nobody mention Kiese Laymon??
Apr 26th 2014
109
post #40
Jul 11th 2014
135
Oh and we got a okp at Iowa workshops right now!
Apr 26th 2014
110
Note I might never read it
Apr 26th 2014
114
if i had more talent and more discipline
Apr 26th 2014
116
Lost me at drug dealer dirty cop *yawn*
Apr 26th 2014
117
      ^^^
Apr 27th 2014
118
      street lit. *shruggable huggables*
Apr 27th 2014
121
Magical realism, meh
Apr 27th 2014
119
placeholder
Apr 27th 2014
127
Can we claim Edwidge Danticat since she's a naturalized U.S.
Jul 11th 2014
137
depends on what side of Bin's b v B debate you stand on
Jul 11th 2014
140
      ALL OF THEM - start w/her first novel: 'Breath Eyes And Memory'
Jul 11th 2014
141
           dope. thanks
Jul 11th 2014
143
Does Sci-Fi count?
Jul 11th 2014
144
it should
Jul 11th 2014
147
      THE BOOK OF ENOCH-HOUSE OF CAINE
Sep 10th 2015
187
thumbs up or down on jess mowry?
Jul 11th 2014
148
That honor belongs to Dwayne Alexander Smith
Jul 11th 2014
150
you read it? it dropped last week. lol
Jul 11th 2014
151
Read it and finished it last week
Jul 11th 2014
152
      what were your thoughts?
Sep 29th 2014
166
*looks this up*
Aug 21st 2014
154
hmmm...consider my interest piqued nm
Aug 21st 2014
155
Good lookin! Just copped n/m
Aug 21st 2014
157
Hrm
Aug 24th 2014
163
On a related note
Aug 21st 2014
156
the supply exceeds the demand.
Aug 24th 2014
158
there are very few GREAT novels period
Aug 24th 2014
160
      you prolly just ain't that into novels, man.
Aug 24th 2014
161
           did you read what I wrote
Aug 24th 2014
162
                I wasn't questioning your bonafides, man.
Aug 24th 2014
164
So I'm 100 pages into Long Division...
Jan 28th 2015
168
wow. I'm in
Jan 28th 2015
169
so I finished it yesterday
Jan 31st 2015
171
I didn't even finish it. Strong start but all over the place by the last...
Sep 08th 2015
176
great post.
Sep 08th 2015
175
i stan for paul beatty but y'all listed some great ones
Sep 08th 2015
177
i need to read 7 Killings
Sep 08th 2015
178
      7 killings is dense
Sep 09th 2015
179
Glad this was upped...will have to come back after work
Sep 09th 2015
180
looking like Ta-Nehisi vs Kiese Laymon right now
Sep 09th 2015
181
Kiese is the Biz on FB
Sep 09th 2015
183
Man I added that nigga and he hasn't accepted.
Sep 10th 2015
184
      Ha. and he holds no punches about anything race related
Sep 10th 2015
189
      Ouch
Sep 11th 2015
194
      He accepted my friend request in literally less than 30 seconds lol
Sep 13th 2015
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           dammit, I got mutual friends with his ass too.
Sep 14th 2015
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Easily my two favorite writers right now
Sep 10th 2015
185
      He told Charlie Rose been in the process of writing one
Sep 10th 2015
190
      Ooooh this i didn't know
Sep 12th 2015
200
      Hrm
Sep 11th 2015
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           Novels are almost always fiction.
Sep 12th 2015
199
marlon James
Sep 10th 2015
186
Oh that's great news
Sep 11th 2015
195
Ta-Nahesi Coates
Sep 10th 2015
188
This was shortlisted for the American Book Award:
Sep 10th 2015
191
RE:
Sep 10th 2015
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RE:
Sep 12th 2015
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adds to must read list, good looking out!
Sep 12th 2015
198
It's the best kind, of the worst of literary fiction
Oct 04th 2015
211
      DAG. LOL.
Oct 08th 2015
213
The Turner House by Angela Flournoy.
Sep 14th 2015
202
yeah, been seeing it on my feed a lot
Sep 14th 2015
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just put this on my library check out list.
Sep 14th 2015
205
She's dope.
Sep 14th 2015
207
Lagoon - Nnedi Okorafor
Sep 14th 2015
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this post may very well be the best thing ive ever done here.
Sep 15th 2015
210
You check me out?
Oct 08th 2015
215
The Moors Account by Laila Lalami
Oct 08th 2015
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I adore this book. My nigga Estebanico.
Mar 09th 2019
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CITIZEN - Rankine
Jan 08th 2016
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*adding some of these to my list*
Jan 08th 2016
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i *really like this post
May 13th 2016
219
the homie boogs just got a publishing deal!
May 14th 2016
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thats major! congrats due
May 15th 2016
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Yup he is about to be major.
May 16th 2016
222
Kiese Laymon - Heavy
Mar 08th 2019
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An American marriage by Tayari jones
Mar 08th 2019
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Dr_Gonzo
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1. "I'm just going to say that one Toni Morrison is a lot."
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She won the Nobel Prize for Literature. A prize that makes the Pulitzer look like a little thing.

I think that at the time she won it, it had only been awarded to 8 Americans.

I know what you're saying, but the woman is a bigger deal than your language implies.

  

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Binlahab
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8. "that & $5 would get her a latte. "
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i said Great Black novel

meaning its in the pantheon. it encapsulates how Black ppl are living NOW.

its not there.

i wanna know where it is or whose trying to reach that level

toni had her shot. new generation time.


do or die

  

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15. "Again, I see what you're saying"
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And for your initial message, you're not even wrong.

But you're seriously underestimating Toni Morrison's impact.
The woman lectures, and still publishes. She's relevant.

And honestly, I haven't really been reading the way I should, so I can't come out and give a straight answer to your question (I'm kind of wondering the same thing you are), but Toni Morrison is still a beast.

  

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Binlahab
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"undeniable & i wouldnt dream of taking that from her."


  

          

shes a living treasure. fully established & cosigned.

that aint got nothing to do w/ the price of tea in china tho

  

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159. "Literature and Music are not the same thing in regards to relevancy"
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She could be 90 and not have published anything for years, and
still pump out the "Great African American Novel"

I hear you on, "what's up w/ the next generation?" but c'mon son.

  

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165. "nope. a novel written 40 yrs ago does not speak to "
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how im living now.

thats what im asking. toni morrison cant write the Great Black Novel in 2014. in 1964? sure. but this aint 1964.

  

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227. "RE: nope. a novel written 40 yrs ago does not speak to "
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>how im living now.
>
>thats what im asking. toni morrison cant write the Great Black
>Novel in 2014. in 1964? sure. but this aint 1964.
>
>

1964?

Beloved wasn’t published until 1987. If you are gonna evaluate someone’s writing ability and whether they can write a great contemporary novel, you should at least be within a few decades of their peak period when discussing when they hit their peak.

Peace,

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2. "ike moses"
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but no pressure!

  

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27. "RE: ike ^stole my answer^"
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32. "hes got the glow but hes scared"
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weve been over this tho


do or die

  

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3. "The Great Black Novel would only be read by whitefolks."
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Mon Apr-22-13 03:44 PM by IkeMoses

  

          

Jesmyn Ward's "Salvage the Bones" is perhaps the most zeitgesity example right now.

the first half was a chore, but once Katrina hit that book really took off.

Colson Whitehead got heat. nigga very middleclass tho.

i'd recommend some Victor LaValle, but he's too caribbean for you.

-30-
You know it's drama, but it sound real good.

  

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4. "strike 1, 2, 3 & youre out"
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@ least you didnt name check that dry ass emperor of ocean park shit from a while back


do or die

  

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7. "i liked emperor of ocean park! "
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now go runtelldat, ho.

  

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9. "better or worse than maintenance man 2 by mike baisden?"
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*snicker*


do or die

  

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12. "lol, i hate you. and i noticed your little snip in the og post...smh"
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mm2 was garbage.
old fake black 007
baisden catered to his audience tho.

btw, you in trouble.

now go runtelldat, ho.

  

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16. "hunh?"
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uhhhh


do or die

  

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182. "I thought we was the only ones that did this nm"
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223. "RE: i liked emperor of ocean park! "
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super hard read


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11. "i don't see how you diss any of them niggas."
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13. "like so."
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Jesmyn Ward's "Salvage the Bones" is perhaps the most zeitgesity example right now.
ok ill check it out.

the first half was a chore, but once Katrina hit that book really took off.
im sold, ill add it to the list

Colson Whitehead got heat. nigga very middleclass tho.
thats Blackness he's in the running then


i'd recommend some Victor LaValle, but he's too caribbean for you.
nope! b but not B



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41. "That was a good book."
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The problem is he tried to write the exact SAME book for a follow-up.

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57. "Palace Council and Emperor of Ocean Park were the same?"
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5. "i just put a hold out on ward's book today. heard good things."
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now go runtelldat, ho.

  

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18. "it took me a long time to warm up to it, but i think it's going to last"
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when people look back on the literature of Black America in the early 21st century, her shit is gonna be a time capsule piece.

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20. "^^^this is exactly what i want"
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i wanna read some shit & have to put the book down & think 'yup. rings true. i know that, live that, seen that. agreed. & now i must weep.'

havent thus far but im open to exploration

  

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17. "good looking on colson, i just downloaded zone one... YES"
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sounds like my kind of novel.

now go runtelldat, ho.

  

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30. "I liked Big Machine a lot, tho prior to the ending I loved it"
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>i'd recommend some Victor LaValle, but he's too caribbean for
>you.

I don't get the Carribean part unless that's an inside joke.

  

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33. "Bin doesn't believe West Indian niggas is Black enough."
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34. "they not Black @ all. just like im not West indian."
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if i cant claim Jamaica, they cant claim Houston


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46. "Victor LaValle's not West Indian tho. He's from Jamaica, Queens "
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61. "i thought his mother was from the islands, but checking now"
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she's from Uganda.

which still makes LaValle black not Black to Bin.

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42. "The ending did leave a little something to be desired."
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49. "literary equivelant of Wesley Snipes shouting 'NOOOO' holdin a crackhead"
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48. "Honestly curious--what made you like the book?"
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I was good in the first half. the last half had me mad I bought the book.

  

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50. "I loved it up until the later parts of the San Francisco stuff"
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>I was good in the first half. the last half had me mad I
>bought the book.

but I remember that being more the final chapter or two then the whole second half so I gave it a 'B' type of grade.

  

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52. "I didn't understand it"
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I thought the book was headed in one direction, but it went the other. And the other way was just not successful for me. I didn't get it, really.

  

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212. "well, there really are all kinds of clues"
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in the first half about what the book will eventually become, but the only reason I think I was "keen" on them was cause of this post. I really wish LaValle would've left the speculative religious stuff in the cutting room and never had Ricky end up... to close the book.

but the stuff with the Unlikely Scholars, the flashbacks to the cult and his family, and his addiction were FANTASTIC

  

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173. "It's a GREAT piece of Fiction, but it's also super messy"
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and odd, and a chore to fucn great through certain passages as LaValle becomes in love with his descriptive words...

yet, the latter half stuff really isn't that surprising if you were paying attention in the first half. the speculative clues are all over the place, but I really wished LaValle had made those spec elements more about mental illness and trauma than "real events" in the book.

the best part of the book IMO is the Cult shit. and any lover of fiction "SHOULD" read it.

LaValle is also funny as shit man. dude is a top tier writer IMO. He has a short story called "Lone Woman" in the Long Hidden Anthology. excellent short story

  

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230. "i loved the ending. i thought the first 100 pages or so "
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were very slow moving

  

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36. "I liked the Intuitionist by Colson Whitehead."
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39. "that's where i know the name from n/m"
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43. "the Intuitionist was such a chore for me"
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i thought it was going to be so much more engaging than it actually was

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229. "i just finished it and it felt like a chore as well"
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131. "i can barely get through this."
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i find it so....forced, i guess the word is.

otoh i recently read "the man in my basement" by walter mosley. it has similarly high aspirations, but i found it much more engaging.

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47. "I love Colson"
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but I think Sag Harbor and John Henry Days are his best books.

  

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67. "John Henry Days was good, forgot about that one."
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136. "You gave me "John Henry Days""
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I regret to inform you that I've started it 3 times and never finished it. I'll read it this summer, though.

  

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71. "agreed re: "salvage the bones""
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the 1st half was a bit on the slow side, but the 2nd half totally made up for it.

also, i'd like to point out how in some circles, "the 12 tribes of hattie" was being hyped as the next great black novel. has anyone read it? b/c i didn't enjoy it nearly as much as some critics did. that and "ghana must go" (which wouldn't count as a "black" novel according to bin b/c i think the author is from london) are 2 of the most recent examples of what i'm calling "struggle lit." you're going to tell me that not one of your characters has any positive or redemptive qualities whatsoever? nope. i ain't going.

just sayin'.

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153. "the 12 tribes of hattie had its moments."
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obviously i preferred some stories over others but overall I enjoyed the book.

  

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122. "hmm, colson whitehead, def; percival everett, and"
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edward p. jones would be my choices,

gotta think up some female authors as well.

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123. "oh you mention these guys in later posts :o)"
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i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

  

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172. "Salvage the Bones is a remarkable book"
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I disagree with Ike that the first half is a chore.

her penchant for constant metaphor and simile MAY throw some readers off, but overall it's a work of art, and will def be required reading in my classes

  

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203. "I should revisit it sometime."
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206. "Salvage the bones was really good..."
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I didn't want it to end...I cared about all of the characters that much. I hope she does a sequel to what happens next.

  

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228. "LaValle has roots in Uganda btw n/m"
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...

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6. "you had better look at ike..."
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all i write are grocery lists.

but what would the great blk novel be comprised of?
to whose appeal?

what about that chick who wrote "white teeth"?
zadie smith?

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19. "Re: Zadie Smith"
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I assume he's talking about the Great Black American Novel.

  

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21. "correct."
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i was underwhelmed w/ white teeth for what its worth tho i imagine if i was british i'd have quotes from it tatt'd on my forearms


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59. "the ending undermines White Teeth's "Blackness""
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shit all her novels since undermine it's Blackness and epic greatness

  

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10. "U ever read Tuff by paul beatty? Or the White Boy Shuffle?"
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14. " White Boy Shuffle is my shit"
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I loved slumberland too
He's working on a new one

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28. "Yeah. beatty's that dude. Very much NOT the stuffy intellectual"
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I haven't read slumberland yet, though.

  

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37. "I read Tuff a looooong time ago. I remember liking it."
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82. "The SLANG.IS.SO.BAD"
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112. "^^ awful^^"
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I put it down SO damn fast
I couldn't
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128. "that's on purpose though"
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he is conflating ebonics and erudite scholarly language to show the absurdity of thinking they are fixed points of high and low aptitude

I'm not the biggest fan of the book, but slang isn't the problem, its how verbose and "Comic-absurdist" it is.

The themes he explores are hella cool though

  

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22. "What would it be about?"
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no snark I think obama kinda stalled out a lot of possibilities.

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24. "uh...being Black in america?"
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same thing that every other Great _______ Novel is abt

there needs to be a heavy dose of nihilism in there. commercialism. the desperate pursiot of fame & money & once accomplished the quick realization of how vapid it all is. ennui. sex. drugs. white people envy. culture vultures. rap music. that weird simultaneous 'we the shit/we aint shit' thing Black ppl got down pat. etc etc


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29. "the thing is that"
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post obama that doesn't become a black american story it becomes a radical black american story and as such cannot be considered great.

i have a draft of about three chapters in a similar vein that i basically left alone after obama was elected.

I've been trying to find another angle since honestly that deals with black angst and america's responsibility for it but i think the set up has to be more casual. keep talking though some ideas may pop up.

i had one idea about a historic southern black community fighting to maintain their identity in the face of gentrification... *shrug*

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31. "yes! gentrification got to be in there"
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that in it but not of it bougie snob middle class shit that we do (that we doing in this post actually)

etc

i disagree that "post obama" something good & existential & angsty from a Black POV wouldnt rock out w/ its cock out

we can agree to disagree tho


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35. "i think the interesting part of that story"
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is there clearly would not be agreement about what should be done and ultimately the tension of the novel would be whose side the reader chooses. important part being historic south with a history going back to emancipation, post financial crisis shit, and strip malls. lol!! I think it could work but i don't know who the characters are yet.

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23. "Any of yall read "Standing at the Scratch Line"?"
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55. "great read"
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Loved it. check out the follow up, Echoes of A Distant Summer, once you're finished

  

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81. "Yes! It was a great read nm"
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83. "Very entertaining, but not very literary"
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102. "what does that mean?"
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129. "literary are novels that aimed to read as high art"
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seriously engaging with the craft of writing and handling "serious subjects". Literary novels are not genre crime, spec fic, sci-fi, romance, young adult. Its Proust, Joyce, Hemingway, Faulkner, Morrison, Baldwin, Delilo, Foster Wallace, ect

  

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142. "I'm not getting how it applies here"
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What separates this from The Color Purple? Even if we say Morrison is a better writer, you can't just knock Johnson down to the level of being non-literature.

Is it lack of metaphor? LIke that's the only reason I could see making the distinction. He's a very direct writer telling the story in a very direct fashion.

I just don't get it.

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145. "I haven't read his novel, so I can't say, BUT"
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I know the distinction exist, even if I personally think it's Bullshit, like for instance one of the best books I ever read is "If He Hollars Let Him Go" which is considered noir, crime fiction, mostly because its what Himes wrote after that novel didn't sell, BUT it's literary as all hell.

i was just trying to clarify.

but the fact you said it was very direct may be one of the issues. Literary fic has a lot of subtext, symbolism, and code as it relates to the canon and writing with or against it.

and my G, come on, we both know he aint fucking with Morrison, I don't ever have to read one word he's put to the page to know that

  

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146. "It's an action book, and itt protagonist is practically a superhero"
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25. "and i'll read anything Percival Everett drops"
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every book that nigga drops is hilarious.

like niggas waiting around for the new Paul Beatty? just read the new Percy.

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60. "what three do you recommend"
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65. "American Desert, I am Not Sidney Poitier, and Assumption"
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all fun reads.

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68. "right on, right on"
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it's funny i recognized his name so suddenly, because for a minute there i wanted to apply to USC MFA program in creative writing and Percy was one of the professor i was looking to contact, but hadn't read his work.

as of now, I'm not applying tho, for more pertinent reasons

  

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113. "Loved I am not Sidney "
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But didn't go back


Beatty though?
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124. "erasure is my favourite favourite book"
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way to satire the great urban lit novel!

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170. "i'm gonna hitch my wagon here. good look. nm"
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peace & blessings,

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174. "yo, ike, i love you for putting me onto this cat. "
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i really dig his writing. Erasure was some other shit.

read I am not Sidney Poitier, too.

he's gonna be a 'go to' type author going forward. if iono what to cop, i'll work my way through his catalog.

peace & blessings,

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214. "Ike Moses Fesmerized this post, LOL"
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dawg, i know you don't drink, but if you did I'd buy you like three rounds

going through this post, everything you posted about, I read and fucked with tuff, except Colston...

I Am Not Sidney Poiter was good as hell and funny as fuck.

If a person likes/loves reading fiction they should def read this book.

I mean I read this shit in four days after STRUGGLING through Braggsville and they are essential exploring the same themes and ideas, 'cept one (Everette) does it very well, and the other one (Johnson) is on that bullshit

I mean the dialogues between Not and Percival had me weak. all the awkward sex Not got = silliness, his encounters with southern white folk Oh My Head.

Gunna read Erasure next.

Ike, again, thanks, bruh. I'll read anything you recommend forever, holmes

  

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26. "and The Known World is about to be 10 years old"
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Edward P. Jones need to drop a new one.

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44. "RE: and The Known World is about to be 10 years old"
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this one will last for sure.

  

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54. "Man, I'd buy it the second it dropped"
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I go back and forth on whether I'd like to see The Known World made into a movie but deep down I know it would never do that book justice.

And I don't think he's gonna write another novel



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75. "^^ "
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38. "zz packer needs to write a novel"
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she could be a strong contender.

  

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62. "It's been too long"
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72. "yes, indeed."
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40. "Kiese Laymon (OC '98)"
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he got *TWO* books coming out this year

Long Division and How to Slowly Kill Yourself and Others In America

Get Out the Room
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88. "I dug both of them."
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134. "here is an interview my friend Jamie Moore had with him"
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http://lunchticket.org/kiese-laymon-author/

it starts with a review of his book by my friend Allie

  

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45. "picks not on the list yet"
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T. Geronimo Johnson. I don't know if Hold It Til It Hurts (his first book, which I'm reading, slowly) is the next GBN, but he is a talented writer.

Tayari Jones could possibly write it.

  

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51. "Was hoping it would be Randall Kenan. His short stories were everything."
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There were early indications that he might carry the torch left by James Baldwin, his muse. Alas, after publishing that collection and a promising first novel in the 90s, his output has been slackin, despite his relative youth. He should have a bigger name by now, imo, but after trying to work with him on something, I can't tell if he's flaky or reclusive. Maybe he's busy. Or maybe it's the pressure. I'm just puzzled by the perpetual enigma surrounding his situation.

He's apparently working on a novel and a collection of short stories, if his website and wikipedia are to be believed. But I don't think I should get emotionally invested, considering the abandonment issues I've already developed around his absence.

  

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53. "Gayl Jones"
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I hope she's working on another book. Her last two were contemporary novels.

  

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126. "i love gayle jones"
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you put me on to mosquito by her
such an awesome book. i need to reread it!

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58. "Walter Mosley has a new Easy Rawlins novel coming out in May"
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63. "Toure n/m"
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95. "LOL"
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64. "I want Black writers writing about being Black now!"
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post-1999

some of these books y'all recommending i haven't read, even as they seem good, are historical pieces.

imma get on "Salvage..." and "Big Machine" tho. Whitehead does NOT seem like a fun, good read tho

  

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66. "Whitehead's Zone One is the best zombie fiction you'll ever read"
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that shit was fun as hell.

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69. "I've never read a Zombie novel, But"
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i might have to read this one by a le Black, lol

  

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70. "it involves zombies. actual zombies. but it's not about zombies."
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130. "read the first 15-20pgs recently. was bored"
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111. "First book of his I put down"
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120. "The first day is slow, but it's worth finishing."
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196. "Agreed "
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read it on this recommendation.
Loved it

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73. "Hold it til it hurts, T.Geronimo Johnson "
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Afghanistan. Katrina. Black kids (now grown ups) adopted by white parents dealing with a world they're not really prepared for

  

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74. "Walter Mosley's Leonid McGill series"
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is just as good if not better than his Easy Rawlins work IMHO

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76. "Like Trees Walking by Ravi Howard was wonderful"
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Sentimental but not too.

I think Martha Southgate has it in her. But there's something too neat about her endings.

Yeah and Colson Whiteheads. I love John Henry Days. And I really loved Apex Hides the Hurt.

Reginald McKnight, Gayl Jones

  

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77. "Love McKnigt"
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But he hasn't put out a book in over a decade, me thinks. Maybe in 15 years.

  

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78. "i got three shorts left to read from LaValle's Slapboxing With Jesus, it..."
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A revelation. His clarity, poetics, and attention to small details is something to marvel at.

If you caught up in the B v b bullshit, it's the latter, but LaValle is easily gunna be my new favorite writer once I'm done with SWJ.

"Slave" is one the most soul crushing pieces of fiction I've ever read and "Ghost Story" is sublime.

I'll be reading the Ecstatic very soon

  

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79. "The Ecstatic was some good fucked-up fun, Big Machine was on its way"
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to pass that (even though Ecstatic had more and maybe head towards the modern pantheon but then uh, I won't ruin it for you. Perhaps being braced for it later will make it less disappointing.

I still gotta read Slapboxing With Jesus, even tho it came first & caught my eye instantly with the Ghostface reference right in the title, I still haven't got there yet.......maybe because when I've wanted to dig into a LaValle level of literature I was looking more for a meaty novel rather than short story collection but the blurbs I've read describe the short stories as basically LaValle's 'Dubliners' by Joyce in that the stories are interconnected vignettes (which in reality the later LaValle stuff can be at times anyway without advertising it up front).

Is that how you see it as well or is more in the Raymond Carver 'Short Cuts' style?

  

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92. "Yes. they are VERY linked much linked shorts"
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in the way of Junot's Drown and This Is How You Lose Her.

Also reading about The Ecstatic, Slapboxing has pieces of Anthony's story (childhood)littered throughout, especially in the second half of the collection.

  

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132. "Finished The Ecstatic last night"
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very very good book. don't know if I'd call it great, but Anthony is one hell of a character.

I seems like it can be made into a movie, but I don't think the stuff with grandma will play over too well with the "Black Aristocracy" of America on the big screen.

The relationship between Nabisase and Ledric is down right fucked up. Shit even Anthony's thoughts during the virgin pageant were fucked

but god damn if I wasn't laughing my ass off during the whole book. The shit with Ishkabibble was hilarious.

it's interesting that The Ecstatic dropped 5/6 yrs before Oscar Wao. There is no doubt in my mind Junot drew inspiration from LaValle's Anthony to sketch out Oscar, being that Junot mentored LaValle before LaValle dropped Slapboxing with Jesus.

*sidenote: it's interesting you brought up Dubliners in your initial reply. I just read that last week. Didn't love it, but I appreciate what Joyce was doing over one hundred years ago. Little Cloud, Counterparts and A Painful case are such great short stories. It's def a blueprint for how short story collections "should be handled". Coincidentally, LaValle starts of Slapboxing with a quote from Joyce's "The Dead"

  

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80. "Tayari Jones"
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http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_0_7?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=tayari+jones&sprefix=tayari+%2Cstripbooks%2C199

Leaving Atlanta and Silver Sparrow were really good. I haven't read the Untelling yet.

Also Ravi Howard:

http://www.amazon.com/Like-Trees-Walking-Ravi-Howard/dp/B003H4RCH0/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1397990570&sr=1-1&keywords=like+trees+walking

Anthony Grooms:
http://www.amazon.com/Bombingham-Anthony-Grooms/dp/0345452933/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1397990611&sr=1-1&keywords=bombingham

  

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84. "I was going to suggest the "Cheyneysville Incident""
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and then I realized it was published in 1981. Y'all niggas should still read it tho.

  

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167. "man the last THIRD of that book should be a movie"
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I was on the edge of my seat like a lunatic

AMAZING novel

  

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85. "Danzy Senna showed a lot of potential with "Caucasia""
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but since then.............

  

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133. "i found out she's married to Percival Everrett"
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and she don't look like she's got a drop of Africa in her, lol

  

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138. "That's a HUGE part of Caucasia"
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Two sisters; one can pass, the other can't.

  

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139. "my white ex gave me that book. "
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never read it

passed it off thinking it was tragic mulatto shit

  

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149. "her other books are good as well"
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she was also one of my favorite professors as well #namedrop

  

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86. "The Great Black American one-hour cable TV drama would be more relevant"
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sad to say… but that's the truth

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106. "I actually think that's harder to achieve for us."
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I feel like we're represented fairly in literature.

I mean, nobody reads anymore, but we have writers out there published. Great ones even. The medium has its gatekeepers, but it's about as democratic as mass media gets.

An HBO show, though? Gotdamn, that shit would be bigger than Obama. You can't strong arm your way into that really. They gotta let you in still.

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You know it's drama, but it sound real good.

  

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87. "They are all underground MCs"
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<----

Soundcloud.com/aquil84

(HIP HOP)
http://aquil.bandcamp.com

  

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89. "Great recommendations throughout the post"
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.

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90. "I am writing the novel you need to buy this summer:"
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https://www.facebook.com/153733013381/photos/a.182566208381.125398.153733013381/10152121410953382/?type=1&relevant_count=1

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One Hundred.

  

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91. "does "Dick Too Bomb" count?"
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93. "SMDH"
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94. "Ass...I googled this bs and actually listened to the song"
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I'm ashamed we kick it in the same circles for promoting this bullshit


does it really matter?

  

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103. "I was talking about the novel being written by 3 of OKP's finest"
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96. "Did anyone read 12 tribes of Hattie "
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.

prototype

stand ur ground, believe in urself,
believe in love, prepare urself for love, remove the negativity from ur life, and accept the love u kno u deserve

  

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97. "Off topic but is The Alchemist as good as some claim?"
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Will Smith and Pharrell Williams both give it high marks.

  

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98. "Self help bullshit masquerading as an allegorical novel."
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I'm in the minority though.

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101. "agreed"
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***************
I've traveled far and wide through many different times...

  

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105. "No you're not"
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whenever some one mentions that as a favorite it's an indicator they don't read much fiction.

I've never heard some one who loves fiction mention the Alchemist as a great book

  

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108. "been saying this for years"
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115. "completely agree... and thought I was the only one lol"
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125. "im with you on this"
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.
http://perspectivesudans.blogspot.com/
i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

  

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100. "It's pretty good, nothing to write home about."
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Get Out The Room!
http://getouttheroom.podomatic.com
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"You probably wouldn't worry about what people think of you if you could know how seldom they do!" - Olin Miller

  

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99. "Maybe Jeffery Renard Allen?"
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Wrote these:

http://www.amazon.com/Rails-Under-Back-Harvest-Book/dp/0156014157/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1398093378&sr=1-4

http://www.amazon.com/Holding-Pattern-Jeffery-Renard-Allen/dp/1555975097/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1398093378&sr=1-1

And is coming out with this soon:

http://www.amazon.com/Song-Shank-Jeffery-Renard-Allen/dp/1555976808

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107. "was just about to page you"
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---
"though time has passed, im still the future" (c) black thought

  

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104. "incidentally"
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this post and present circumstances got me writing again.

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109. "Ain't nobody mention Kiese Laymon??"
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When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
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135. "post #40"
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110. "Oh and we got a okp at Iowa workshops right now!"
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114. "Note I might never read it"
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Unless there is something interesting going on
Like the wire I been there don't need to go through it again

Give me some humor or a touch of magic realism you got me
Light on writing slang though

If not I'll never read it
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116. "if i had more talent and more discipline"
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i'd write a book that was simply a love story between a accountant by day, drug dealer by night, a dirty cop trying to catch him and the nurse who loved em both in the context of a full on al queda type thing except the al quedas are Black

lotta santeria

lotta ju ju

lotta mau mau

lotta Ogun name checking

orishas.

alas im great on ideas, piss poor w/ execution


does it really matter?

  

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117. "Lost me at drug dealer dirty cop *yawn*"
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118. "^^^"
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121. "street lit. *shruggable huggables*"
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someone w/ more talent can & should take all those cliched characters & situations that the majority of ppl who look like us & read DO like & support & buy...& write something...better with them.

cliches are cliches for a reason




does it really matter?

  

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119. "Magical realism, meh"
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127. "placeholder"
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137. "Can we claim Edwidge Danticat since she's a naturalized U.S."
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citizen?

She ALWAYS writes beautiful novels

grassrootsphilosopher

  

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140. "depends on what side of Bin's b v B debate you stand on"
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LOL

but what works of her would you recommend

  

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141. "ALL OF THEM - start w/her first novel: 'Breath Eyes And Memory'"
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'Kirk Krak' (my personal favorite)...'The Farming Of Bones'

They're all great novels


>LOL
>
>but what works of her would you recommend

grassrootsphilosopher

  

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143. "dope. thanks"
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144. "Does Sci-Fi count?"
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'Cause I am starting book 4 of a series next week. Finishing up my edits on books 1-3 this week.

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Enter the Written World of Fahim Malik Nassar

The House of Caine (available)

Melancholoy Funk (available)

Tha Anthology (Words 2001-2003) Poetry inspired by OKP and Wash, DC
(available)

The Spook who sat by the Radio Poetry (av

  

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147. "it should"
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it's one of the arguments newer authors are fighting for.

Junot brought it up in an recent interview. Speaking in particular about the "Black Canon", it's Richard Wright, Zora, Baldwin, Morrison, etc, but WHY are Delany and Butler left out of the convo? cause they write sci-fi? which is supposedly less "serious" than literary? it's bullshit distinctions.

  

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187. "THE BOOK OF ENOCH-HOUSE OF CAINE"
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IS OUT! CHECK MY SIGGY.

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148. "thumbs up or down on jess mowry?"
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n/m

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150. "That honor belongs to Dwayne Alexander Smith"
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Author of Forty Acres:A Thriller. Seriously read the reviews on Amazon.

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151. "you read it? it dropped last week. lol"
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the reviews seem very positive

  

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152. "Read it and finished it last week"
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I had been waiting on that to come out for a while.

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166. "what were your thoughts?"
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I read the first 46 pages yesterday at the BNN in Santa Monica

the writing was so... bland, flat, and straight forward, yet I was compelled to keep reading, mostly because of the premise in the books sleeve.

it came off like genre fiction, which isn't a diss, but it's a particular type of style, if you know what I mean...

the convo on Obama seemed like one pulled from these very boards, so that was interesting to say the least

anywho your thoughts? I'm gunna buy it once I get some other books out the way

  

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154. "*looks this up*"
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i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

  

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155. "hmmm...consider my interest piqued nm"
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does it really matter?

vote for bin: http://tinyurl.com/qz8zep5

  

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157. "Good lookin! Just copped n/m"
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163. "Hrm"
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156. "On a related note"
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Are GREAT novels still being written?
Definitely good books coming out regularly but classics that will stand the test of time?
I dunno.
Then again Dickens was shitted on by his contemporary critics.

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158. "the supply exceeds the demand."
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more great novels are being written than read.

if the quality of fiction has waned in recent years (and i'm not sure it has), it's because there are less serious readers becoming serious writers.

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160. "there are very few GREAT novels period"
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don't fall for the okie-dokie of the Academic Cannon either. that shit is used to justify a particular voice and particular style. It reifies modernist literature up to the Beats and then tries to pick and pull a voice or two from the last 50 years. Publishing, critique, book reviews, and literature in the academy is very much like Hollywood in some aspect: white, male, and "the universal" theme being the ideal.

there are very few GREAT writers and books over the last century, but it really is a matter of taste and some hovering consensus.

there are a lot of good to very good books though, and posts like this are valuable to sharing where the next great one is.

but for the most part if one is writing literary stuff it is not gunna sell. Harry Potter, Catching Fire, 50 Shades of Grey, Divergent (all of which are on a sliding scale of good to bad) will sell, as does "unique creative non-fiction".

  

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161. "you prolly just ain't that into novels, man."
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which is fine.

but if you look back on the last century of literature and just shrug, that says more about your recreational preferences than the state of the art.

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162. "did you read what I wrote"
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i don't think i'd be in an MFA program if "I'm not that into novels", good grief with the assumptions.

FOH with that none sense.

there are a lot of good to great novels. that's not a shrug. just like there as been a lot of good to great movies and albums.

great for each discipline of art is rarefied air in my opinion.

I was more speaking to the idea that NOW there isn't this wealth of work in literature. well, there is, but I think folk are on that where is our Joyce, Hemingway, Faulkner, Fitzgerald, or Wright, Baldwin, Hurston, Himes? they here losing Noble Prize of literature to Jennifer Egan, and teaching workshops in Portland for Tin House

  

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164. "I wasn't questioning your bonafides, man."
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I know you're in the trenches.

What you wrote just read hella jaded to me. If you feel like that, it's like what's the point?

If that wasn't how you meant it, I apologize for the misunderstanding.

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168. "So I'm 100 pages into Long Division..."
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it's the best damn thing I've read since Oscar Wao and I'm not even fucn done yet

the last 2/3 have to be absolutely horrible for me not to personally consider this a revelation of American literature.

I'll be back when I'm done

  

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169. "wow. I'm in"
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171. "so I finished it yesterday"
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the last third of the book struggles because of the structure the narrative arch. it's not bad in any way, just some of the characterization and conflict becomes weak and muddy.

In the interview I linked above, Kiese speaks about how he actually wanted it to be two or three different books. I think Long Division would've worked better if it got released how he wanted it to.

that said, it's the most unapologetically Black novel I've come across in a while. It's as much literary, as it is YA, as it is Sc-Fi, as it is crime drama.

it's also in dialogue with Invisible Man, The Bluest Eye, Catcher In the Rye, and Kindred. really powerful stuff throughout.

in the end it's 4.5/5 for me and I can't wait for his new ones to drop and Im'a go pick up his collection of essays

  

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176. "I didn't even finish it. Strong start but all over the place by the last..."
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175. "great post."
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i need to diversify my reading.
starting with "salvage the bones"
all i normally read are business related books.

the key to happiness is not being rich;
it's doing something arduous and
creating something of value and then
being able to reflect on the fruits of your labor

  

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177. "i stan for paul beatty but y'all listed some great ones"
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i feel good that i read a lot of them lol

salvage the bones was a rough read. for real. i could have sworn that book was set in the early 1900s not 2005 lol

but honestly i love all the black authors that are american and caribbean/african so im good with it all

the best one i read recently was a brief history of seven killings. READ THIS BOOK.

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178. "i need to read 7 Killings"
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and yeah Salvage was GOOD AS FUCK

  

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179. "7 killings is dense"
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a million characters but wow

and the brutality! lawd.
but so good.

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180. "Glad this was upped...will have to come back after work"
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Cool

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181. "looking like Ta-Nehisi vs Kiese Laymon right now"
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in the public consciousness


i've caught up on neither
involved in a distinctly white series for about a year lol
better than GoT so y'all are going to have to forgive
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183. "Kiese is the Biz on FB"
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I "think" i seen you reply to a couple of his post recently... in particular his fiction one about men who only read bios and history books

  

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184. "Man I added that nigga and he hasn't accepted."
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I knew he was dropping gems on there!

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189. "Ha. and he holds no punches about anything race related"
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when white folk tell him he focuses on race too much or that he's being extreme the rebuttals are flawless in execution

and when an athlete he loves is in sports action, his feed be jokes. During the offs I was clowning the shit out of his Bron stannery and he'd hit right back. just seems like a real good dude

  

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194. "Ouch"
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He is

I think I got in early and it was a carry over from Twitter

He might be close to that follower limit
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201. "He accepted my friend request in literally less than 30 seconds lol"
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This was 6 months or so ago. I don't know of the breakneck speed was based on our mutual friends, the job/interests listed in my profile, or because I'm a handsome nigga. Either way, he is one of my favorite people ever.

  

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208. "dammit, I got mutual friends with his ass too."
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Not many. Like 5-6 but shit.

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185. "Easily my two favorite writers right now"
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TNC doesn't write fiction though. Or does he?

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190. "He told Charlie Rose been in the process of writing one"
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for years

  

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200. "Ooooh this i didn't know"
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i wonder if/when that'll come out.

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193. "Hrm"
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Didn't realize that was one of the requirement for great black novel

I'm not the best versed oh literature in general though
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199. "Novels are almost always fiction."
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the "nonfiction novel" does exist but they're pretty rare and aren't entirely non fiction anyway.

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186. "marlon James"
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but he jamaican
his last book got picked up by hbo for a mini-series

  

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195. "Oh that's great news"
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I'm definitely veering back to rather watch than read mode
For these books

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188. "Ta-Nahesi Coates"
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191. "This was shortlisted for the American Book Award:"
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http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0062302124?colid=1UCUC6MZUTGQA&coliid=I1RQNFAICAHEFQ&ref_=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl

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192. "RE:"
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Literally about to read it next week.

Will be back with thoughts.

  

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197. "RE:"
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I met someone who is one of the judges this year and it was recommended to me. Please post after you read it.

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198. "adds to must read list, good looking out!"
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211. "It's the best kind, of the worst of literary fiction"
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Johnson tires to take the mundane and make it profound, with stylized prose and "complex" historical tangents

it is really hard to talk about this novel without spoiling some reveals and plot, so I really don't know how to speak on it here.

I have no idea how this got a nom, other than it panders to the worst of fictive racial politics

Johnson is talking to a lot of folks meta-literarily, Richard's Native Son, Ellison's Invisible Man, Faulkner's work, northern Cali fic, but in the end it's not very good or entertaining. The climax also comes way too soon and feels very cheap

  

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213. "DAG. LOL. "
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I am going to check it out from the library then...

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IkeMoses
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202. "The Turner House by Angela Flournoy."
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It's about a family in Detroit trying to figure out what do with their parents' abandoned house.

Of course it ain't really about that.

It's about Jim Crow, the housing crisis, addiction, marriage, ghosts, sibling rivalries, religion and lots of other nigga shit.

It's great. Just came out this year.

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You know it's drama, but it sound real good.

  

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astralblak
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204. "yeah, been seeing it on my feed a lot"
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and there was a lil interview with her and about the book in Poets & Writers recently that got me interested. I'll get to it some day, but I got so much other shit before it, and I think Octavia and Okorafor about to eat all my "pleasure reading" choices.

  

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StephBMore
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205. "just put this on my library check out list. "
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Castro
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207. "She's dope."
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I had a workshop with her this summer.

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astralblak
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209. "Lagoon - Nnedi Okorafor"
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yes it counts

sorry Bin, she was born and educated in Cinci, Ohio.

  

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Binlahab
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210. "this post may very well be the best thing ive ever done here."
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ive got enough books now to last me til 2017


does it really matter?

wonder what bin's doing?
http://i.imgur.com/phECCMp.jpg

  

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215. "You check me out? "
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Got a book signing coming up next month and the second in the series is coming out in January.

www.anthologyfmn.com

Enter the Written World of Fahim Malik Nassar

The House of Caine (available)

Melancholoy Funk (available)

Tha Anthology (Words 2001-2003) Poetry inspired by OKP and Wash, DC
(available)

The Spook who sat by the Radio Poetry (av

  

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DJ007
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216. "The Moors Account by Laila Lalami"
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She Moroccan so...technically....lol

http://www.amazon.com/The-Moors-Account-Laila-Lalami/dp/0804170622



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"You can win with certainty with the spirit of "one cut". "Musashi Miyamoto

  

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IkeMoses
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226. "I adore this book. My nigga Estebanico."
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You know it's drama, but it sound real good.

  

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astralblak
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217. "CITIZEN - Rankine"
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it's not a novel

it's greatness. it deserves to be in this post

CITIZEN

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akon
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218. "*adding some of these to my list*"
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and yes, fantastic post

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http://perspectivesudans.blogspot.com/
i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

  

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akon
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219. "i *really like this post"
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http://perspectivesudans.blogspot.com/
i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

  

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ShawndmeSlanted
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220. "the homie boogs just got a publishing deal!"
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"though time has passed, im still the future" (c) black thought

  

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akon
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221. "thats major! congrats due"
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http://perspectivesudans.blogspot.com/
i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

  

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222. "Yup he is about to be major. "
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dapitts08
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224. "Kiese Laymon - Heavy"
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the key to happiness is not being rich;
it's doing something arduous and
creating something of value and then
being able to reflect on the fruits of your labor

  

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225. "An American marriage by Tayari jones"
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If you have not read it yet please do.

  

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