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"Jon Caramanica ETHERS Justin Timberlake & I kinda agree"


          

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/17/arts/music/justin-timberlake-releases-the-20-20-experience.html?_r=0


March 13, 2013

Some New Songs for a Side Career

By JON CARAMANICA

The last time Justin Timberlake released an album, Barack Obama was the junior senator from Illinois, Jay-Z and Beyoncé were not married, and iPhones did not exist. It was 2006, just a few weeks before Taylor Swift’s debut album arrived, setting her on the path to become perhaps the last old-fashioned pop superstar. But since then rapid industry decline and atomization have all but eliminated the need for Justin Timberlakes, or Taylor Swifts, or certainly the opportunities to make new ones.

In the meantime Mr. Timberlake signaled his importance in other ways: versatile appearances on “Saturday Night Live,” which he recently hosted for the fifth time; acting in films both acclaimed (“The Social Network”) and derided (“The Love Guru”); working on a fashion line; golfing. You know — a full life. Given all that, there’s no good reason Mr. Timberlake, 32, should be making music anymore. And yet he’s about to release “The 20/20 Experience” (RCA), which could be mistaken for an exercise in hubris were it actually arrogant.

Most artists who stay away so long are trying to cleanse themselves of something — an unfortunate subgenre association, a nasty scandal. But mostly what Mr. Timberlake has been trying to cleanse himself of is music. That’s reflective of his broader career goals, and also of the diminished value music stardom has in the current entertainment economy.

But while it was Mr. Timberlake’s success in music that allowed him the chance to succeed in film, or TV, or fashion, or baking (who knows?), now the opposite is true: His sustained fame as a polymathic celebrity means there’s still an appetite for his music, even if he’s out of step with most current trends. (Or maybe he just has a contractual obligation. Nobler art has been made for less noble reasons.) He could have made a cabaret standards album, an acoustic singer-songwriter folk record, a ghastly dance-music immersion, a pseudo-Drake sing-rap hybrid. Any of those would have been more risky and more distinctive than what ended up on “The 20/20 Experience,” an amiable, anodyne album that hopes not to alienate anyone but also doesn’t offer new reasons to commit. It’s an album of largely inconsequential beauty, showing Mr. Timberlake as an artist with no incentive to innovate, making this primarily a paean to brand maintenance. It’s not meant to change minds.

That’s clear from the first single, the breezy hit “Suit & Tie,” which has the lighthearted bop of early New Edition with the vocal elegance of sunshine dappled soul groups like Tony! Toni! Toné! The molasses-y intro nods to Houston’s screw music, and the song features the most negligible Jay-Z verse in recent memory (though this mediocre chemistry didn’t preclude the two from teaming up for a tour this summer).

The album begins with a labored Prince-esque woman-as-drugs comparison, “Pusher Love Girl,” (“Just tell me, can I get a light?/Roll you up and let it run through my veins”) and, not long after that, a less labored woman-as-tasty-treat comparison, “Strawberry Bubblegum,” which has some pleasant frisson between Mr. Timberlake’s sweet high voice and producer Timbaland’s guttural exhortations.

It’s odd that the one unreservedly great song on this album, “Tunnel Vision,” could be by Chris Brown, it’s so modern, with its updating of Timbaland’s vintage stutter-step drums and icy synths. Also unexpected is the rhythmically exciting “Let the Groove Get In,” which samples from an album of music from Burkina Faso, and is reminiscent of nothing so much as Beyoncé’s martial “Run the World (Girls).” It’s almost a breaks record more than a proper song, with Mr. Timberlake working a few phrases over and over, never building any real tension or release.

“The 20/20 Experience” was made with a small group of collaborators — the producers Timbaland and Jerome Harmon (known as J-Roc), and the songwriter James Fauntleroy. Mr. Timberlake handled the vocal production and arrangements, and even some of the mixing. The result is a smallness of purpose, with only slight variation throughout, like the deeply wholesome soul of “That Girl” or the drowsy “Blue Ocean Floor,” which had it been released two or three years ago, might have been called chillwave’s pop breakthrough. (Maybe Mr. Timberlake has been listening to Enya in his downtime.)

Seven of the 10 songs are more than seven minutes. In an era of Frank Ocean soul meditation, this could pass for artistry, but really it’s a gesture of conservatism, an argument for the album as a whole over whatever abbreviated singles will eventually be shipped to radio. It also harks back to ’70s soul, Prince’s funk breakdowns and Michael Jackson’s hyper-ornate pop. It is Mr. Timberlake radiating seriousness, lest you think his music making is frivolous.

There is something to that. This is just his third solo album; it’s surprising how much of his fame is still rooted in his years in ’NSync, how much of a head start that gave him. It’s kept him afloat even though, of all current pop superstars, he is the least present, the one still dining out on marginal benefits from old work.

Maybe that’s why, if Mr. Timberlake is trying to communicate anything about his music, it’s a certain groundedness. On the Grammys, and also on “Saturday Night Live,” he performed with a band set up behind podiums emblazoned with JT & The Tennessee Kids, a visual nod to swing bands and a gimmick that lands on the blue-eyed soul spectrum somewhere between throwback fetishist Mayer Hawthorne and earnest cheese ball Robin Thicke.

Until now Mr. Timberlake was rarely measured on that scale. He avoided those sorts of comparisons almost wholly thanks to the sui generis breakthrough of his debut album, “Justified,” from 2002, which introduced him as confident, randy, and just a touch sinister and wounded. That album also cemented the producer Timbaland, once a revered hip-hop eccentric, as something of a modern pop savant. “FutureSex/ LoveSounds,” Mr. Timberlake’s follow-up, aimed lower aesthetically, but was embraced more widely.

But the peak of Mr. Timberlake’s vocal feeling was “Gone,” the 2001 ’NSync song that effectively served as his solo coming-out party, and which highlighted his pained yelp. Yet over the years that’s been sandpapered to a more restrained move, all but free of anguish or ecstasy. “Mirrors,” the most nakedly emotional song on the new album — seemingly written for his wife, Jessica Biel — also perplexingly features the most vocal processing, burying Mr. Timberlake and his heart.

To show too much feeling would be to risk alienating people, and one of Mr. Timberlake’s signatures is his accessibility. He’s not common, but he’s relatable, and never condescending. He gets a tremendous amount of mileage just for being a cool guy who’s willing to hang out with regular folk.

During his “Saturday Night Live” performance of “Suit & Tie” he took a mild swipe at Kanye West, who’d recently targeted that song in one of his ceremonial mid-show rants. But just two days later, on “Late Night With Jimmy Fallon,” he quickly retreated, smile beaming. Mr. Timberlake wouldn’t rock a baby bassinet.

He just wants to entertain. On “Saturday Night Live” recently he put his musical gifts to wide use, impersonating Elton John eulogizing Hugo Chávez in song, reprising his partnership with Andy Samberg as sensual early-’90s white R&B goons for a dating show sketch, and dressed up as a piece of tofu, hawking a vegan restaurant by singing health-friendly versions of Chic’s “Le Freak,” Trinidad James’s “All Gold Everything” and more.

He sounded more at home and vocally present in those moments than when singing his new songs, or almost anywhere on “The 20/20 Experience.” Forget the album; go see the show, or whatever else Mr. Timberlake applies his talents to. He’s learned how to be a musician who has no need to make records, the perfect solution to the modern economy.



Here is also an audio review/podcast on the album:

http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/03/15/popcast-is-justin-timberlake-still-a-pop-star/

This album isn't his best work.

There are a few standouts...but SOMETHING is missing.

  

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let me guess, since i ain't read and in the first sentence I see Obama.....
Mar 16th 2013
1
TL;DR: This album is mediocre as mayonnaise.
Mar 16th 2013
2
      meh, it's cuz he's a rockstar. Robin Thicke don't get this much scrutiny
Mar 16th 2013
4
He ain't have to called R. Thicke an "earnest cheese ball" tho
Mar 16th 2013
3
he has gotten cheesy tho.
Mar 16th 2013
64
tho justin ain't fit to shine robin's spats.
Mar 16th 2013
67
lol, that was an honest assessment, tho.
Mar 19th 2013
144
I ain't gotta read all that just to realize he's mad Justin is hot again
Mar 16th 2013
5
Well....
Mar 16th 2013
6
      nah, he's clinically disecting JT and that is sort of saying: "uh....
Mar 16th 2013
8
           RE: nah, he's clinically disecting JT and that is sort of saying: "uh......
Mar 16th 2013
11
                RE: nah, he's clinically disecting JT and that is sort of saying: "uh......
Mar 16th 2013
12
I am not in JT demographic but
Mar 16th 2013
7
Well written.. didn't take it as really etherish tho...
Mar 16th 2013
9
Forget the album; go see the show, or whatever else
Mar 16th 2013
10
lol
Mar 16th 2013
13
      RE: lol
Mar 16th 2013
15
           I didn't get the feeling he didn't like the CD
Mar 16th 2013
18
           It'd be considered "hate" if he didn't back it up
Mar 16th 2013
23
RE: Well written.. didn't take it as really etherish tho...
Mar 16th 2013
19
I don't think this is much of an analysis.
Mar 16th 2013
14
Yep
Mar 16th 2013
16
it's a far better analysis than any of the defensive rebuttals in here
Mar 16th 2013
36
increasingly it seems like folks actng like they 'shouldnt' like it
Mar 16th 2013
17
this is hardly Ether
Mar 16th 2013
20
born in 81 and I totally agree
Mar 16th 2013
21
lol how you gonna spill the beans on his release schedule?
Mar 16th 2013
26
cause i thought okayplayer was a place i could trust
Mar 16th 2013
73
      every once and a while it's noted that there's writers, journalists
Mar 16th 2013
74
      Lol, Thing is, serious writers don't just lurk here -- they *post* here
Mar 16th 2013
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           i think they should...
Mar 19th 2013
142
           Ha!
Mar 19th 2013
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                Do you think journos should identify themselves or request permission
Mar 20th 2013
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                     ?
Mar 20th 2013
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                     There was an interesting thing that just happened on a messageboard
Mar 20th 2013
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      It's on Vibe's site. And they quoted your entire post.
Mar 16th 2013
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      GEE I WONDER WHICH OKP POSTED ON VIBE??
Mar 17th 2013
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      http://naijalife.freehostia.com/mag/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/HALL.jpeg
Mar 17th 2013
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      RE: GEE I WONDER WHICH OKP POSTED ON VIBE??
Mar 19th 2013
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      RE: GEE I WONDER WHICH OKP POSTED ON VIBE??
Mar 19th 2013
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      LOL
Mar 19th 2013
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      stfu ... the nerve of you of all people to reply lol goddamn
Mar 17th 2013
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           Dude fuck you.
Mar 17th 2013
106
      I'm sure JT & Tim thought they could trust you, too.
Mar 16th 2013
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      damn yall are some assholes
Mar 17th 2013
91
           *leaks a release date on the internet*
Mar 17th 2013
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                http://bbsimg.ngfiles.com/13/23833000/ngbbs4f669b6817d6f.jpg
Mar 18th 2013
137
                     right?
Mar 19th 2013
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                          Dunno where y'all are getting this "u mad" shit... you know I'm right.
Mar 19th 2013
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      oh come on. what'd you expect?
Mar 16th 2013
83
      ?uest...most of us got good sense
Mar 17th 2013
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      boy stop!!
Mar 17th 2013
100
      RE: cause i thought okayplayer was a place i could trust
Mar 17th 2013
101
      NOOOOOOOOO!!!
Mar 17th 2013
121
      pull the plug!
Mar 17th 2013
124
      ^^^......^^^
Mar 17th 2013
132
           you gon do us like Prince did the npgmc?
Mar 19th 2013
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           =/
Mar 19th 2013
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      Aw dude c'mon. You just said all that in the Complex article.
Mar 17th 2013
125
      fooock
Mar 19th 2013
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      wow...they even quoted this reply.....i thought it was his response...
Mar 19th 2013
141
      Damn i miss those treats!
Mar 19th 2013
145
      you want to know???
Mar 19th 2013
159
      dang.
Mar 19th 2013
154
      but but but...
Mar 20th 2013
173
another album? fuck yeah.
Mar 16th 2013
27
vol 2 soon?!?! some1 tell Maxwell to get on his shit, wtf!
Mar 16th 2013
29
Thank you..
Mar 16th 2013
31
LOL @ Timbo on some 'fuck teens, this for grown folks' steez *now*
Mar 16th 2013
34
LOL I thought Timbo didn't sample
Mar 16th 2013
35
That myth has been debunked for ages
Mar 16th 2013
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      I was jk. He sampled on Ginuwine's first album.
Mar 16th 2013
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how odd...
Mar 16th 2013
65
Yikes. He cool with you saying this?
Mar 17th 2013
117
RE: this is hardly Ether
Mar 17th 2013
127
*facepalm* these writers are exposing their inner bitch.
Mar 16th 2013
22
the album, particularly from a production stand point, is good
Mar 16th 2013
24
whats up with all these jabs at usher?
Mar 16th 2013
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      RE: whats up with all these jabs at usher?
Mar 16th 2013
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           see i don't think he was
Mar 16th 2013
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                thank you...
Mar 16th 2013
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                RE: see i don't think he was
Mar 17th 2013
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                     you pretty much covered what i would've said
Mar 19th 2013
152
he can like or dislike the album all he wants
Mar 16th 2013
25
thought he did a good job of explainin exactly in what way that was safe
Mar 16th 2013
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this record i not safe
Mar 19th 2013
153
      havent heard the full album yet, just sayin I can see how that argument
Mar 20th 2013
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the main reason...
Mar 19th 2013
169
I kinda disagree, let 10/10 tell it..
Mar 16th 2013
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I LOVE the defensive, "I Ain't Read ALL THAT"-isms
Mar 16th 2013
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RE: I LOVE the defensive, "I Ain't Read ALL THAT"-isms
Mar 16th 2013
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Because you're long winded?
Mar 16th 2013
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      Okaythimbledeepplayer
Mar 16th 2013
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As accomplished as he is, why isn't Jon Caramanica in the spotlight?
Mar 16th 2013
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RE: As accomplished as he is, why isn't Jon Caramanica in the spotlight?
Mar 16th 2013
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RE: As accomplished as he is, why isn't Jon Caramanica in the spotlight?
Mar 16th 2013
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      he was on Combat Jack a couple months back:
Mar 16th 2013
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           Yup -- that was how I finally learned what he looked like. LOL
Mar 16th 2013
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           haha, I feel you completely on all of this:
Mar 16th 2013
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                His career has been so seamless, it kinda makes me sick :-( lol
Mar 16th 2013
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                     Those 3 careers are everything?
Mar 16th 2013
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                          They're enough.
Mar 16th 2013
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                               as if 3 mid-100k per year positions aint "above average"
Mar 16th 2013
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                               u kno?!? lol, wtf
Mar 16th 2013
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           this shit is dope. listened to whole thing. thanks!
Mar 16th 2013
72
eh, on a 'music journalist' end he's more relevant right now than Toure
Mar 16th 2013
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      RE: eh, on a 'music journalist' end he's more relevant right now than To...
Mar 16th 2013
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      When it comes to who has more exposure and fame, Toure wins.
Mar 16th 2013
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           RE: When it comes to who has more exposure and fame, Toure wins.
Mar 16th 2013
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           RE: When it comes to who has more exposure and fame, Toure wins.
Mar 16th 2013
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           oh definitely, more from the ancillary-to-music stuff but agreed
Mar 16th 2013
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i move to retire the term 'ether' as a verb.
Mar 16th 2013
43
hell yea son
Mar 16th 2013
44
I propose a mandate, along with the word "literally"
Mar 16th 2013
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      lol
Mar 16th 2013
54
there are SOOO many ridiculous statements in this review
Mar 16th 2013
46
RE: there are SOOO many ridiculous statements in this review
Mar 16th 2013
60
Honest question: Do you understand what "Ether" means?
Mar 16th 2013
47
Sorry Timberlake we found another younger, better looking Justin...
Mar 16th 2013
50
So...does this dork writer like the album or not?
Mar 16th 2013
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HI VIBE.COM READERS!
Mar 16th 2013
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RE: HI VIBE.COM READERS!
Mar 17th 2013
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^
Mar 19th 2013
143
what's next, an article about Mark Wahlberg's acting skills?
Mar 16th 2013
77
They can't do the Gibbs sketch because only 1 Gibb is left now.
Mar 16th 2013
78
they weren't doing the Gibbs brothers in present day
Mar 16th 2013
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      His SNL appearance was last weekend.
Mar 16th 2013
80
The article was masturbatory "look-at-me-I'm-a-writer" blog shit
Mar 17th 2013
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      only ppl doing this are writers who seem to be mostly impressed
Mar 17th 2013
116
      it's an NYT article/piece, not a 'review' like this is OKP or Pitchfork
Mar 17th 2013
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           Goalposts moved.
Mar 17th 2013
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                LOL, what goalposts? u just missed the point of the column or disagree.
Mar 17th 2013
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      It was a side conversation and had nothing to do with the article.
Mar 17th 2013
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           RE: It was a side conversation and had nothing to do with the article.
Mar 17th 2013
135
great read
Mar 16th 2013
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he hating, suit and tie grew on me after a few listens
Mar 17th 2013
87
ditto
Mar 19th 2013
139
The album is great. If this guy is stating "Justin could of put more eff...
Mar 17th 2013
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RE: The album is great. If this guy is stating "Justin could of put more...
Mar 17th 2013
90
RE: The album is great. If this guy is stating "Justin could of put more...
Mar 17th 2013
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it's a pretty wack album.
Mar 17th 2013
92
timberfake ain't nothing but DW GRiffth and TImberland
Mar 17th 2013
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You better than this Maxxx
Mar 17th 2013
96
they ain't getting no one liner until a few days
Mar 17th 2013
108
absolutely none of what you said is true
Mar 17th 2013
104
both are overrated and i'm tell them to there faces
Mar 17th 2013
110
Please. If he were black, you'd gobble his nuts like you do Kells
Mar 17th 2013
107
      you mean how your mama gobbled on me
Mar 17th 2013
109
           Because babies are made through oral sex.
Mar 17th 2013
114
                i wore a mask as Bill Clinton and your mama wore a monica one
Mar 17th 2013
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                     Because oral sex is how babies are born.
Mar 17th 2013
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when did OKP start to love JT is what i'm wondering
Mar 17th 2013
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ain't to many real Black folks over here and that is the truth
Mar 17th 2013
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RE: ain't to many real Black folks over here and that is the truth
Mar 17th 2013
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Some of you go so far with this blackness shit.
Mar 19th 2013
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2001
Mar 17th 2013
113
^^^^^^^^^^^
Mar 20th 2013
177
in terms of pop culture obsession? I'd guess My Love
Mar 17th 2013
119
"Gone" caught my curiosity, "Cry Me a River" my attention.
Mar 19th 2013
170
JT the artist is like a good employee at an amazing job.
Mar 17th 2013
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RE: JT the artist is like a good employee at an amazing job.
Mar 17th 2013
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yep
Mar 19th 2013
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.
Mar 17th 2013
115
Y'all niggas want to read some REAL "ether," then go to allmusic
Mar 17th 2013
133
IARAOT
Mar 17th 2013
134
blah blahs.
Mar 17th 2013
136
Heh. It's funny/sad how little this review actually discusses the album...
Mar 19th 2013
147
well, he does have to write 225-250 columns annually for the
Mar 19th 2013
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      it's mind boggling how much top writers have to write in a yr
Mar 20th 2013
184
Hi Mom!
Mar 19th 2013
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Don't post or say shit you don't want publicized.
Mar 19th 2013
157
I'm disappointed at the view/reply ratio
Mar 19th 2013
158
That ratio is crazy considering that most people probably don't give a
Mar 19th 2013
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      it's like the boards aren't entertaining enough to keep their interests....
Mar 19th 2013
161
18,143 views. Fuck.
Mar 19th 2013
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Bang, bang!
Mar 19th 2013
165
highest viewed post currently on GD and not even close
Mar 20th 2013
179
tony was here
Mar 19th 2013
166
lol @ ok15 not thinking this would get out. smh
Mar 19th 2013
168
this just helped JT even more!!!
Mar 20th 2013
174
I'm laughing if Quest pulls the plug on this spot for reals
Mar 20th 2013
176
Bring it on down to okayplayervillllllllllllllllllle..........
Mar 20th 2013
180
lol ok, i laughed.
Mar 20th 2013
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      lol me too
Mar 20th 2013
183
random white woman fb post on the album...
Mar 20th 2013
185

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1. "let me guess, since i ain't read and in the first sentence I see Obama....."
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mofos is mad cuz Justin made r&b music while MTV2 plays trinidad james and other black hip hop garbage

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2. "TL;DR: This album is mediocre as mayonnaise. "
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Its unimpressive.

  

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4. "meh, it's cuz he's a rockstar. Robin Thicke don't get this much scrutiny"
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3. "He ain't have to called R. Thicke an "earnest cheese ball" tho"
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damn

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64. "he has gotten cheesy tho."
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67. "tho justin ain't fit to shine robin's spats."
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144. "lol, that was an honest assessment, tho."
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Brutal, but definitely honest.

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5. "I ain't gotta read all that just to realize he's mad Justin is hot again"
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heat: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3N3Wf-2pG5U

that old skool--->http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDfSrkjwnxM

Philly stand up:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEeTW98oFpA


shut your mouth while grown folk saing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sC3p

  

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6. "Well...."
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Actually, the homie's review is just as negative as a Hallmark card....

I.E....there's NO Ether going on anywhere in this joint....

And trust me...Jon C. will bring the Ether....but this ain't it...

Chicago's greatest music artist?

Curtis Mayfield....And it ain't even close....

  

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8. "nah, he's clinically disecting JT and that is sort of saying: "uh...."
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this is an ".....eh...." situation."

  

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11. "RE: nah, he's clinically disecting JT and that is sort of saying: "uh......"
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>this is an ".....eh...." situation."

Nah...basically he's saying Timberlake puts more passion in his live performances and SNL appearances than he does the music...That's hardly ETHER...

That's just clear headed dissection without the heat...

And trust me...I know how Jon C. "ETHER" reads...This is kids gloves...

Chicago's greatest music artist?

Curtis Mayfield....And it ain't even close....

  

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12. "RE: nah, he's clinically disecting JT and that is sort of saying: "uh......"
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>Nah...basically he's saying Timberlake puts more passion in
>his live performances and SNL appearances than he does the
>music...That's hardly ETHER...
>
>That's just clear headed dissection without the heat...

A critic can say "his live stuff and comedy is strong" AND say "this CD is special" as well.

By saying the CD is like cold left-overs compared to live shows IS saying something about the quality of the CD.

  

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7. "I am not in JT demographic but "
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This made me lol

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9. "Well written.. didn't take it as really etherish tho... "
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unless justin was hoping this would go down as an all time classic.

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10. "Forget the album; go see the show, or whatever else "
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Mr. Timberlake applies his talents to. He’s learned how to be a musician who has no need to make records, the perfect solution to the modern economy."

uh....that's far from just saying the CD isn't classic.

"Forget the album"?

  

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13. "lol "
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i mean yeah.. to me its basically saying the album was a disappointment for his level of talent.. why did he even come back if he wasn't going to KILL EM.. its blah whatever sort of feel. seems like the writer hates pop music and is softly dissing the genre in general.

funny because its kind of filled with back-handed compliments throughout as well. lots of nods to his overall talent as a performer but also getting digs in at many other artists.

it was well written, although bordering on over-written and teetering on self-indulgent, but fell short of saying the shit is pure garbage.. while still obviously acknowledging the mans talent in general.

i dont know.. if it was ether it was very passive agressive ether, lol.



>Mr. Timberlake applies his talents to. He’s learned how to be
>a musician who has no need to make records, the perfect
>solution to the modern economy."
>
>uh....that's far from just saying the CD isn't classic.
>
>"Forget the album"?


...

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15. "RE: lol "
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>funny because its kind of filled with back-handed compliments
>throughout as well. lots of nods to his overall talent as a
>performer but also getting digs in at many other artists.
>
>i dont know.. if it was ether it was very passive agressive
>ether, lol.
>
>

it's just a straight garbage review of someone dancing around saying he don't like the CD.

  

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18. "I didn't get the feeling he didn't like the CD"
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>it's just a straight garbage review of someone dancing around
>saying he don't like the CD.

more like he's mad he did, but he'd prefer the feel of the songs performed live


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23. "It'd be considered "hate" if he didn't back it up"
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>it's just a straight garbage review of someone dancing around
>saying he don't like the CD.

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19. "RE: Well written.. didn't take it as really etherish tho... "
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14. "I don't think this is much of an analysis. "
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All that to say it's a safe bet for someone who's primarily gig isn't music anymore.

I think it's very okp hating-ish for a review to soo focused on the non-music.

Also if this is the safe non-groundbreaking record, I wonder what he think is really on the vanguard? I think I could understand his critique more if he gave a frame of reference of what he considers the hotness (TOKPer, hate on everything while never expose yourself to critique by sharing what you like).


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16. "Yep"
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>All that to say it's a safe bet for someone who's primarily
>gig isn't music anymore.


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36. "it's a far better analysis than any of the defensive rebuttals in here"
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>All that to say it's a safe bet for someone who's primarily
>gig isn't music anymore.
>
>I think it's very okp hating-ish for a review to soo focused
>on the non-music.
>
it's kinda hard not to spend some time on non-music when we're talking about Justin Timberlake, considering that's what he's been doing for the past seven years.

>Also if this is the safe non-groundbreaking record, I wonder
>what he think is really on the vanguard? I think I could
>understand his critique more if he gave a frame of reference
>of what he considers the hotness (TOKPer, hate on everything
>while never expose yourself to critique by sharing what you
>like).
>
it's not very hard to find out what the lead music critic for the New York Times likes if that sort of thing interests you.

>**********
>"naive as the dry leaves on the ground looking past the trees
>to the blue sky asking 'why me?'" -Blu
>
>Why I still fuzz with the Lesson
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17. "increasingly it seems like folks actng like they 'shouldnt' like it"
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but its actually good and they cant get with that so they are creating these...odd/new criticisms

like they can't give it up to JT for all of the reasons we think he's a punkass etc

thats not being objective..and of course enjoyment is subjective and criticism is as an endeavor in the long run ..but some folks are letting shit cloud up their thoughts. So many factors invilved..so many.

  

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20. "this is hardly Ether"
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its constructive criticism

i will say the album is OVERLY ambitious. like a LOT of ideas crammed into one.


spoiler alert. 20/20 Vol 2 comes out in nov. (10 songs now.....10 songs later= 20 vision)


i admire the balls it took to make this record. cause he coulda easily urshurd his work in and made diplo his teddy riley to 20/20's dangerous instead of sticking with timb's Quincy.

feel me?


i like throwback Timb. (he played me songs out of order and off both records so i don't know what made the final cut) so i was shocked he wasn't 4 on the flooring it like the timb of 2005 was doing. like these joints were straight up missy/magoo timb and justin said he wanted timb to "get back in his real zone" even if it meant alienating the tweens born after 86 who never ever heard of the sly slick and wicked

i mean suit and tie is the MOST UNLIKELY james brown production reference

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cMaw3MXmKo

but of course unless you got a master degree in soul-ology this won't mean shit to you.


and i told him my assistant zarah (born in 88) was frowning like "i don't like this song"

and is he cool with the fact that only 35 year old people who love their soul in 95 bpm zone will "get" this song.

and he was like "why do we put all of our power in the hands of 18 year olds....i wanted to make a joint that 40 year olds would love too"

and by the time the video came out all the 86 after sect were aboard again.

(i agree the only thing i don't like about suit and tie is jay's beat switch up.....its cute....but its a pander move---if you gonna go 40.....go 40/40 with it"

anywho....i love the songs, but was worried on how he will cut the prime rib to feed to toothless babies.


ballsy move however.

i applaud ballsy moves

NO! LIST
Tom Petty
Prince
M J
Zeppelin
Springsteen
Neil Young
Eagles
Ray Charles
Madonna
Chuck Berry
South Park TV Songs
Justin Timberlake
"Food Glorious Food"
"Twilight Zone" theme
"A Boy Named Sue"
"Night Moves"
"The Situation"
"Superbowl Shuffle"

  

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21. "born in 81 and I totally agree"
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26. "lol how you gonna spill the beans on his release schedule?"
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73. "cause i thought okayplayer was a place i could trust"
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friggin mofos done ran with this info snitching and shit.
this is why i really can't eff with this site no more.
back before social media i was all sharing treats and happy in our insular world.
now mofos all using my position to get their blogs posting on.

im going back to the shadows.

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Tom Petty
Prince
M J
Zeppelin
Springsteen
Neil Young
Eagles
Ray Charles
Madonna
Chuck Berry
South Park TV Songs
Justin Timberlake
"Food Glorious Food"
"Twilight Zone" theme
"A Boy Named Sue"
"Night Moves"
"The Situation"
"Superbowl Shuffle"

  

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74. "every once and a while it's noted that there's writers, journalists"
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etc. getting their serious lurk on here.

Just saying those of us "entertaining" these clandestine lurkologists shouldn't be blamed for what they do with the info they glean from the site.

  

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84. "Lol, Thing is, serious writers don't just lurk here -- they *post* here"
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Out in the open. Shit, they've participated in this very post lol. Whether they should identify themselves before quoting something written here in conversation is an interesting ethical question, and it didn't quite get covered in journalism class.

I just joined Twitter! http://twitter.com/gerryinjuly

  

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142. "i think they should..."
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>Whether they should identify themselves before quoting something written here in conversation is an interesting ethical question, and it didn't quite get covered in journalism class.

...
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149. "Ha!"
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>Out in the open. Shit, they've participated in this very post
>lol. Whether they should identify themselves before quoting
>something written here in conversation is an interesting
>ethical question, and it didn't quite get covered in
>journalism class.


Hell...Given my rep here it's not just about "us" journalists posting here (I've been a member on this site too long to even recount...I'm fam...fam...)

It's Quest's high profile outside of OKP....There are folks who just come here for the latest Quest post...There's not even a need for a snitch...

Quest a TV star, now...He should expect more outside journalistic stalking....lol

Chicago's greatest music artist?

Curtis Mayfield....And it ain't even close....

  

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172. "Do you think journos should identify themselves or request permission"
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before quoting someone in a messageboard or using material as a story idea?


I just joined Twitter! http://twitter.com/gerryinjuly

  

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175. "?"
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>before quoting someone in a messageboard or using material as
>a story idea?

No...not at all....

Sites now get their general stories second hand....Let's say Miss Info does a story on Quest breaking the Timberlake news (which she did)...Well, that becomes the actual "source"....Yep, OKP will be given the primary source credit...But in this new online journalism world "bloggers" tend to report such stories from their peers rather than hanging out at say OKP...

Now are there some journalists/bloggers that may lurk here and get a few ideas? Sure..

But as stated, the homie Questo should not be as naive to think that the band leader from one of the most talked about, popular late shows on TV (btw, have you seen Quest's twitter followers? Dude has some crazy numbers) is not going to get stalked by the bloggers...

This is a different journalism world, guys...

As for me, everyone knows who I am by now (10 years plus and counting)...I've been on here longer than a lot of folks on here...So....yeah...

Let's chill with the bullshit...lol

Chicago's greatest music artist?

Curtis Mayfield....And it ain't even close....

  

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181. "There was an interesting thing that just happened on a messageboard"
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So there's Neogaf...pre-eminent messageboard on video game news...you've got fanboys, marketing people, financial analysts, developers actually posting on it...etc. Think of the Lesson but on a much MUCH bigger scale.

They've got a rule where if you're industry you have to identify yourself...which reared it's ugly head a few weeks ago...

A new version of a very popular videogame, Sim City, came out and was being heavily critiqued...except for a poster that would magically find whatever press release the parent company (EA) put out in addition to vehemently defending it in any of the threads.

They reversed catfished dude and figured out dude worked for EA.

So even though he denied it ("I just used to work there) and was ultimately banned one can't help but think it was GREAT but dishonest PR...im pretty sure some of those bloggers hungry for any news grabbed some of those press releases and informally leaked updates as real news even though it was part of a PR campaign.

  

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75. "It's on Vibe's site. And they quoted your entire post."
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Here:

http://bit.ly/ZJ31kW

Guess once you go global on a national nightly show then things change and you can't have the privacy you once were more familiar with.

Edit: also you shouldn't blame all of us when you're the star and as such should know that your higher profile means more eyes on the site.

  

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88. "GEE I WONDER WHICH OKP POSTED ON VIBE??"
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hmmmmmmm....lol

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102. "http://naijalife.freehostia.com/mag/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/HALL.jpeg"
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http://naijalife.freehostia.com/mag/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/HALL.jpeg

  

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150. "RE: GEE I WONDER WHICH OKP POSTED ON VIBE??"
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>hmmmmmmm....lol


If you don't see my name on it, no need to speculate....U guys think VIBE was the only place that story was posted?...Hell...if you see it on Billboard or Shadow League, AOL or other joints, I guess you can blame me too...lol

Y'all are naive like a mug...Ha!

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Curtis Mayfield....And it ain't even close....

  

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151. "RE: GEE I WONDER WHICH OKP POSTED ON VIBE??"
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Chill...that ain't even the case....

Chicago's greatest music artist?

Curtis Mayfield....And it ain't even close....

  

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155. "LOL"
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103. "stfu ... the nerve of you of all people to reply lol goddamn"
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106. "Dude fuck you."
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How dare you speak to me like that I'm not your fucking child.

Keep your fucking comments about me to yourself.

  

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81. "I'm sure JT & Tim thought they could trust you, too."
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-----
Get over yourself.

  

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91. "damn yall are some assholes"
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no wonder artists stopped posting here

  

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99. "*leaks a release date on the internet*"
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*then whines when someone out there sees my leak and quotes it*

Yeah, that's a good look.

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137. "http://bbsimg.ngfiles.com/13/23833000/ngbbs4f669b6817d6f.jpg"
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-------------------------
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Dre makes no apologies for his own eccentricities. “I was young, and searching, trying to find myself,” he says. “Never did.”-- Andre B

  

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167. "Dunno where y'all are getting this "u mad" shit... you know I'm right."
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BrooklynWHAT
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83. "oh come on. what'd you expect?"
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95. "?uest...most of us got good sense"
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its these idiot noobs, man

they ruined the shit


do or die

  

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100. "boy stop!! "
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*
*
*

heat: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3N3Wf-2pG5U

that old skool--->http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDfSrkjwnxM

Philly stand up:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEeTW98oFpA


shut your mouth while grown folk saing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sC3p

  

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101. "RE: cause i thought okayplayer was a place i could trust"
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>friggin mofos done ran with this info snitching and shit.
>this is why i really can't eff with this site no more.
>back before social media i was all sharing treats and happy in
>our insular world.
>now mofos all using my position to get their blogs posting
>on.
>
>im going back to the shadows.

???

  

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121. "NOOOOOOOOO!!!"
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man, i miss running home to grab treats before the links dead. Thats has to come back some kind of way...

"A lawyer with his briefcase can steal more than a hundred men with guns"...Mario Puzo

  

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124. "pull the plug!"
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put this mare out of her misery

DROkayplayer™

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132. "^^^......^^^"
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NO! LIST
Tom Petty
Prince
M J
Zeppelin
Springsteen
Neil Young
Eagles
Ray Charles
Madonna
Chuck Berry
South Park TV Songs
Justin Timberlake
"Food Glorious Food"
"Twilight Zone" theme
"A Boy Named Sue"
"Night Moves"
"The Situation"
"Superbowl Shuffle"

  

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rdhull
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148. "you gon do us like Prince did the npgmc?"
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164. "=/"
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DROkayplayer™

http://youtu.be/NTpX1mysmww



<< PMA http://youtu.be/j8w1f3ZvfIY

  

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125. "Aw dude c'mon. You just said all that in the Complex article. "
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I miss your content.

But you aren't naive

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@ryanrmoran

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138. "fooock"
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>
>im going back to the shadows.


~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
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You cannot hate people for their own good.

  

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141. "wow...they even quoted this reply.....i thought it was his response..."
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to the article writer....damn.

...
we understand you can easily come back and we're not impressed. how about getting a life first.© okpdan

  

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145. "Damn i miss those treats!"
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You used to drop mad jewels on us , what ever happened to the good old days ?

http://cdn.hiphopdx.com//images/audio/6-Sean_Price_304x304.jpg

  

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159. "you want to know???"
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what happened to the good ole days?

twitter


Drokayplayer ™


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- Mr. Buildingblock

  

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154. "dang."
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173. "but but but..."
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*anyone* can come on here and look at this

you can even google it, and the post comes up (the likely hood of someone finding it through google is low, but still)


  

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BrooklynWHAT
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27. "another album? fuck yeah."
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29. "vol 2 soon?!?! some1 tell Maxwell to get on his shit, wtf!"
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fuck all the rest! i just love r&b being talked about

album has too many weird production moments like timbo pulled out old aaliyah beats

the songs driven by bareness and syncopation are the hottest

his falsetto can't fill those other weird shits yao

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31. "Thank you.."
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...

Vee is I and I am She

...

Seeking: . Serenity . Courage . Wisdom .

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34. "LOL @ Timbo on some 'fuck teens, this for grown folks' steez *now*"
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since he hasn't made a banger in five years or so.

Please, he ain't making no artistic statement with 'Suit + Tie', he's line-stepppin between rationalization & delusion with that statement the same way Timberlake is toe-dipping with music at this point.

  

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35. "LOL I thought Timbo didn't sample"
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the beat is hella justified, "good foot" from shark tale sdtk

_______________________________________________________________________________

#NoRomo

"Boards don't hit back" -Bruce Lee

  

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63. "That myth has been debunked for ages"
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Trolls should be fed with ridicule, disdain, and cruelty.

  

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86. "I was jk. He sampled on Ginuwine's first album."
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_______________________________________________________________________________

#NoRomo

"Boards don't hit back" -Bruce Lee

  

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65. "how odd..."
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my mother played "night moves" TO DEATH when i was little
so much so i remember studying the album cover
looking at bob seger like
who in the fuck ARE you?
you're in my life seriously right now

this is all odd because me mum and i were out together today
and "night moves" was playing
and i had to remind her
like, YO.
and she said absolutely.
this is why people can tour after decades of having no 'records'.

he's on tour this year.

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____________♀
"this sentimental motherfucker just cost us money."

  

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117. "Yikes. He cool with you saying this?"
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>
>spoiler alert. 20/20 Vol 2 comes out in nov. (10 songs
>now.....10 songs later= 20 vision)
>
>

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127. "RE: this is hardly Ether"
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Quest, Quest, Quest,

That list looks silly to have Justin Timberlake on it. Justin is talented but not near the level of the people on that list. You say this album is a ballsy move, what is so ballsy about making a boring track with a James Brown sample? There is nothing really new on JT's album. It sounds like old Robin Thicke, D'Angelo, etc albums. It's only different cause now the music is so dance heavy. Is it ballsy cause of the length of the tracks, ok I would say so considering none deserve the length. The biggest issue with JT and why I have to laugh when you talk about soul-olgy is his lyrics. Timb has some very nice beats on this album, but lyrics like "hot like an oven" kill it. Trust me the youth can get with this album with lyrics like that, if the music is actually good. The list of ballsy moves are people who actually succeed in doing something totally different. JT tried to do something different for him, ok props but no not at the table of Prince or MJ.

Also, were you trying to throw a diss at Usher? I get that JT is paying you but be honest. It probably takes JT 5 seconds to write his emotionless tracks.

  

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BrooklynWHAT
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22. "*facepalm* these writers are exposing their inner bitch."
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24. "the album, particularly from a production stand point, is good"
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at times i don't "beleive" what or how JT is singing, but overall, in particular for a pop record, it's very enjoyable

like 15 said above, this shit is ambitious, if a bit over indulgent with the beat switches at the end of songs (some which are better than the first movement). I'm also glad JT and Timbo didn't pander to 18 year olds like mr. raymond and "the bad girl"

  

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30. "whats up with all these jabs at usher?"
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Like what is the issue here exactly?

Is he not allowed to explore different sounds? I mean its not like the songs are bad pr not working for him. Imo usher has paid his dues...I don't ever feel the need to give him the side eye when it comes to his most recent work.


>at times i don't "beleive" what or how JT is singing, but
>overall, in particular for a pop record, it's very enjoyable
>
>like 15 said above, this shit is ambitious, if a bit over
>indulgent with the beat switches at the end of songs (some
>which are better than the first movement). I'm also glad JT
>and Timbo didn't pander to 18 year olds like mr. raymond and
>"the bad girl"
>

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38. "RE: whats up with all these jabs at usher?"
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I think the beef a lot of folks have with Usher is he's chasing that Euro-pop dragon just like everyone else seems to be doing...

Where as in the past he was one of the dudes leading the way in terms of what was cutting edge and cool in R&B/pop....

When Justin Bieber can jump on the same track you are on people will indeed throw some jabs...

Chicago's greatest music artist?

Curtis Mayfield....And it ain't even close....

  

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62. "see i don't think he was"
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i agree thats what people seem to mad at but imo usher never really led the way when it came to new sounds and all that. He just did a better job than most at executing whatever sound was hot at the moment which is pretty much the same thing he's doing now. I think i was talking to dj-r-tistic about this in another post but when he came out with Yeah it wasn't like he was introducing people to lil john and that sound. He just did a REALLY good job at doing what everyone was trying to do. Usher has a way of making trends sound original (and i mean that in a good way)

i just think it's weird to hear people give him flack about it. Even if he had built a career on starting trends etc i doubt i would find it weird to hear him making that kind of music. I think people in general are having a hard time dealing with the fact that lines are being blurred when it comes to different genres of music. What he's doing IS what's cool in r&b and pop...

as for him doing songs with Justin Beiber..i mean that IS his artist/pet project. I would think that if any new artist were worthy being on a track with Usher that it would be him. I honestly don't think that a lot of the people complaining even listen to that kind of music in the first place and are making more assumptions than educated opinions. I'll even go there and say that if Justin was Black he wouldn't even be mentioned in this convo

>
>
>I think the beef a lot of folks have with Usher is he's
>chasing that Euro-pop dragon just like everyone else seems to
>be doing...
>
>Where as in the past he was one of the dudes leading the way
>in terms of what was cutting edge and cool in R&B/pop....
>
>When Justin Bieber can jump on the same track you are on
>people will indeed throw some jabs...

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70. "thank you..."
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97. "RE: see i don't think he was"
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Sun Mar-17-13 08:20 AM by murph71

          

>i agree thats what people seem to mad at but imo usher never
>really led the way when it came to new sounds and all that. He
>just did a better job than most at executing whatever sound
>was hot at the moment which is pretty much the same thing he's
>doing now. I think i was talking to dj-r-tistic about this in
>another post but when he came out with Yeah it wasn't like he
>was introducing people to lil john and that sound. He just did
>a REALLY good job at doing what everyone was trying to do.
>Usher has a way of making trends sound original (and i mean
>that in a good way)


U the homie and all, but this ^^^^^ is off base.....

Sure people knew Lil Jon's sound....But "Yeah" did something entirely different...It was FIRST notable time crunk mixed with R&B...After that dude became a HUGE super producer...And a new sound exploded on the music scene...

Before "Yeah", Jon was known as the cat that could deliver hits for southern acts like the Yin Yang Twins and Petey Pablo....After Usher, Jon went on to use that Crunk/R&B model with the likes of Ciara ("My Goodies")...

"Yeah" sounded revolutionary...groundbreaking....It signaled that R&B was on to its next evolutionary era...



>i just think it's weird to hear people give him flack about
>it. Even if he had built a career on starting trends etc i
>doubt i would find it weird to hear him making that kind of
>music. I think people in general are having a hard time
>dealing with the fact that lines are being blurred when it
>comes to different genres of music. What he's doing IS what's
>cool in r&b and pop...

There's nothing weird about it...We all know the lines of pop and R&B have become blurred...But people expect more from Usher because he's supposed to be a veteran headliner...

The only thing people are having a hard time dealing with is younger acts like Miguel are kicking the biggest R&B act of his era following R. Kelly's sick run (Usher) in the ass...And that Timberlake is kicking his ass without having to play the game....These acts are making more soulful, striking records than Usher...And songs that don't pander to 14 year old Bieber fans....(more on that below)....



>as for him doing songs with Justin Beiber..i mean that IS his
>artist/pet project. I would think that if any new artist were
>worthy being on a track with Usher that it would be him. I
>honestly don't think that a lot of the people complaining even
>listen to that kind of music in the first place and are making
>more assumptions than educated opinions. I'll even go there
>and say that if Justin was Black he wouldn't even be mentioned
>in this convo


I applaud Usher for finding a cash cow in Bieber...I think it's brilliant...But that doesn't mean you don't have to cater to Bieber's fans...Not after you made the best two of the most acclaimed R&B statements of the last decade (8701 and Confessions)...

If I want to hear Euro pop records I'll check out Rihanna (she's great at mixing that style in with her genre-jumping sounds) or I'll turn on Swedish House Mafia...

I don't want to hear it from a guy who was once the biggest R&B star on the planet, no matter how much mixing is going on...

But really? I think a lot of the criticism of Usher stems from people expecting too much from dude...We wanted him to be that game changing R&B icon....Someone who could effortlessly merge his own sound with what was popular and be successful without having to sell-out so blatantly....

When all this time he was no bigger of a pure talent/visionary than say Chris Brown....

And if Justin Timberlake was a black R&B artist and making records with David Guetta just to survive in the market he would be clowned too....

Chicago's greatest music artist?

Curtis Mayfield....And it ain't even close....

  

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astralblak
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152. "you pretty much covered what i would've said"
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25. "he can like or dislike the album all he wants"
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but i take issue with classifying the approach as safe. it only comes off as safe because jt is hitting and seemingly doing it so effortlessly. making 7-8 min songs and not using any HOT producers doesn't sound like a safe plan at all for a pop music comeback after 6 years

  

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33. "thought he did a good job of explainin exactly in what way that was safe"
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>but i take issue with classifying the approach as safe. it
>only comes off as safe because jt is hitting and seemingly
>doing it so effortlessly. making 7-8 min songs and not using
>any HOT producers doesn't sound like a safe plan at all for a
>pop music comeback after 6 years

Basically that making all the songs that length allowed him to where the artistic cloak to mast the fact that the singles weren't really strong enough to hold up on their own & getting with the old crew that made the first two rather than trying to link up with folks actually pushing it production-wise in 2013 takes off some of the pressure plus sidesteps the risk of looking desperate to stay current.

Haven't heard the album in full but I can see how those moves could be considered a calculated risk at best, safe at worst depending on the listener.

The Grammy & SNL performances certainly felt 'safe' to me, an actor-playing-a-pop-star out promoting his brand, hoping charm will get you to overlook the mediocre songs he's performing while seeming barely invested in.

  

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153. "this record i not safe"
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it sounds nothing like what is popular in music, particularly in urban R&B. Soccer moms who grew up to Justin aren't gunna be digesting 7-8min songs with ease

Caramonica's critiques are completely off base and misguided. he even said Justified was more aesthetically ambitious than FS/LS which is ridiculously false.

Failing to recognize "Mirrors" as the most dated of the records from Tim's production perspective, also shows that he listened to the album once or twice and rushed to the NY times to parse out his flacid critique

well written, not ether, but also WRONG AS SHIT

  

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178. "havent heard the full album yet, just sayin I can see how that argument"
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*could* be made even if it sounds outlandish on its face for the reasons you mention.

The post author made the 'ether' claim so I don't put the onus on the writer to live up to that claim.

  

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169. "the main reason..."
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this album could be called 'safe'...at least on the surface...is that it is JT. He has high visibility and cred with folks (and the money behind him to buy both if either is lacking).

And because he went away in the form of not having a bunch of songs and albums out, he could show back up and have folks be happy about it. Because it is him, folks will give any new stuff from him a listen. This ain't like Chico DeBarge not dropping anything for 6 years and popping back up with Redman on a song. And JT rolling with Timbo playing the 'classic Timbo' version of himself with some twists was 'safe' because it would at least slightly be viewed as 'taking it back'. And I still know nostalgia is ever-powerful.

After 2 full listens, the album sounds 'on the surface' risky more than anything else...kinda like Kanye cooing randomly on hooks and/or having 3-minute instrumentals on Dark Fantasy made it seem like he was really stepping out there. To me, once I got used to Dark Fantasy, that album is just a druggy and dark College Dropout with Pusha on occasional ghost duties instead of Rhymefest and Mr. Mad himself(Cons). He just went heavier with what I call trance chants (Game bit the hell out of that on Jesus Piece with decent results).

Back to 20/20...most of the songs are pretty straight ahead Timbo being 1998 Timbo with 2012 resources and talent. Also, probably no supervision, naysayers, time restrictions, or fear of failure. These songs go on and on cuz Timbo is loving what he has done 3 minutes in and decides to keep going with some piece of the first part of the song as the new star of the show. And Justin just said eff it and let him do it. It works like hell on a few of the songs (Strawberry Bubblegum). At least a couple land in 'okay...I get it' territory. I'm interested in how this one will age. But hey...Timbo did low-level versions of The Bachelor and 100% Ginuwine as many times as he could. Songs would drift a minute or so long and then halfway try to melt into the next song. Speaking of Gordon...

Ginuwine should be just as mad about 20/20 as he shoulda been when FS/LS dropped and took off...probably MORE upset since this album isn't what I'd call a tricky listen or a tough set of songs to sing/sound good on.

Jimaveli

>but i take issue with classifying the approach as safe. it
>only comes off as safe because jt is hitting and seemingly
>doing it so effortlessly. making 7-8 min songs and not using
>any HOT producers doesn't sound like a safe plan at all for a
>pop music comeback after 6 years

  

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28. " I kinda disagree, let 10/10 tell it.."
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32. "I LOVE the defensive, "I Ain't Read ALL THAT"-isms"
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s.blak
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39. "RE: I LOVE the defensive, "I Ain't Read ALL THAT"-isms"
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lol!!!!

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Curtis Mayfield....And it ain't even close....

  

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57. "Because you're long winded?"
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59. "Okaythimbledeepplayer"
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s.blak
Keep Defending Your Stupid...Poorly

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37. "As accomplished as he is, why isn't Jon Caramanica in the spotlight?"
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In other words, why is Toure one of the only widely known, still-relevant names in (hip-hop) music journalism?


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40. "RE: As accomplished as he is, why isn't Jon Caramanica in the spotlight?"
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Because he chooses to be a respected writer rather than an ass clown...

And this is from someone who doesn't even agree with most of that review...

Chicago's greatest music artist?

Curtis Mayfield....And it ain't even close....

  

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45. "RE: As accomplished as he is, why isn't Jon Caramanica in the spotlight?"
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>
>
>Because he chooses to be a respected writer rather than an ass
>clown...
>
>And this is from someone who doesn't even agree with most of
>that review...

LOL. That is true. Still, it's surprising that in age when journalists are beat over the head with the importance of branding themselves, the guy doesn't have a Wiki page, a LinkedIn, or anything. Didn't even know what he looked like until a few days ago lol.

Even writers much more tolerable than than Toure have a relatively high public profile: Mimi Valdes, Erik Parker (well, he used to, don't know what happened to him), Danyel Smith, Kalefa Sanneh, etc. All Caramanica has is his byline, which is very old school. I love his work, though, and how he's keeping hip-hop writing sophisticated.





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51. "he was on Combat Jack a couple months back:"
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https://soundcloud.com/combatjack_and_friends/jon-caramanica-episode

starts right before the 16-minute-mark

  

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55. "Yup -- that was how I finally learned what he looked like. LOL"
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Though he didn't have any of the struggles I like to hear about in writers' careers lol, I enjoyed finally learning about his journey. To do what you love with the power of the NYT behind you is swag as hell.

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56. "haha, I feel you completely on all of this:"
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>Though he didn't have any of the struggles I like to hear
>about in writers' careers lol, I enjoyed finally learning
>about his journey. To do what you love with the power of the
>NYT behind you is swag as hell.
>
>

  

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61. "His career has been so seamless, it kinda makes me sick :-( lol"
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Like, how are you good at EVERYTHING? Who in the world gets to pick between a math PhD program, going into management consulting, or being a top music writer??

*knocks over desk*

lol

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68. "Those 3 careers are everything?"
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69. "They're enough."
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nigga


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71. "as if 3 mid-100k per year positions aint "above average""
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>nigga
>
>
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85. "u kno?!? lol, wtf"
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72. "this shit is dope. listened to whole thing. thanks!"
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>https://soundcloud.com/combatjack_and_friends/jon-caramanica-episode
>
>starts right before the 16-minute-mark

  

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41. "eh, on a 'music journalist' end he's more relevant right now than Toure"
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Toure gets more notoriety for the stuff he's doing outside of writing about music with his the social commentator stuff anymore.

  

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42. "RE: eh, on a 'music journalist' end he's more relevant right now than To..."
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>Toure gets more notoriety for the stuff he's doing outside of
>writing about music with his the social commentator stuff
>anymore.


That's my point....

The political commentator stuff is where his relevance comes from...On the writing tip no one has taken him seriously since his RS days...

"Relevance" for print/online journalists can not be boiled down to a popularity contest (except when it comes to blogging, which is a whole other arena)...

Those of us in the serious writing game, we applaud dude's ability to switch gears and do his own thing (only a hater would "hate")...But in the "music journalism" world, Jon C. is leaps and bounds ahead of whatever Toure is doing in that arena---including that God awful Prince book...

Chicago's greatest music artist?

Curtis Mayfield....And it ain't even close....

  

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49. "When it comes to who has more exposure and fame, Toure wins. "
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And with hosting two TV shows (one of which is a music program) and numerous freelance gigs for the country's biggest publications keeping him busy, he still has his lil tentacles around pop music. In fact, he has a book deal and the backing of our very own ?uest: http://blogs.villagevoice.com/music/2013/03/toure_prince_i_would_die_4_u.php

How did we let this happen?? lol

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52. "RE: When it comes to who has more exposure and fame, Toure wins. "
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>And with hosting two TV shows (one of which is a music
>program) and numerous freelance gigs for the country's biggest
>publications keeping him busy, he still has his lil tentacles
>around pop music. In fact, he has a book deal and the backing
>of our very own ?uest:
>http://blogs.villagevoice.com/music/2013/03/toure_prince_i_would_die_4_u.php
>
>How did we let this happen?? lol



Dude is doing him....I can't hate....I just know when record labels are calling around to get a respected write-up about one of their acts or when they are fearful of an piece being make-or-break, they don't think of the homie Toure....

Jon C. is one of the folks who tops that list...

However, if this was a discussion on who is the bigger pop culture commentator, that's Toure all day...

Chicago's greatest music artist?

Curtis Mayfield....And it ain't even close....

  

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58. "RE: When it comes to who has more exposure and fame, Toure wins. "
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>Dude is doing him....I can't hate....I just know when record
>labels are calling around to get a respected write-up about
>one of their acts or when they are fearful of an piece being
>make-or-break, they don't think of the homie Toure....
>
>Jon C. is one of the folks who tops that list...
>
>However, if this was a discussion on who is the bigger pop
>culture commentator, that's Toure all day...

I hear you and agree. My wording may have been confusing, because I actually meant for it to be a discussion of why Toure's more known, not more respected, despite similar work ethics. Jon C. definitely has more authority and talent, hands down!

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53. "oh definitely, more from the ancillary-to-music stuff but agreed"
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43. "i move to retire the term 'ether' as a verb."
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all those in favor say hell yea son.

anyway i'm not a fan of justin timberlake like at all. i call him timberfake like my name was mistermaxxx and shit but this article
is more a critique on dude's personal life than his music.
like he kinda goes in on the music but never says it's bad lol
so i don't know i wouldn't call this ether.

THAT'S ENOUGH

  

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44. "hell yea son"
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>all those in favor say hell yea son.

  

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48. "I propose a mandate, along with the word "literally""
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They should be retired only from people don't know how to use it, and when they do, it should be an OKP mandate that those who use these terms so poorly be met with relentless insults and denigration as a direct response. Further, this mandate dictates that the insults and denigration be contained solely within the thread where the term was misused. We aren't savages, after all.

Folks who know what those words mean and understand how to use them can do so.

Trolls should be fed with ridicule, disdain, and cruelty.

  

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54. "lol"
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THAT'S ENOUGH

  

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46. "there are SOOO many ridiculous statements in this review"
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this is probly my favorite though

an amiable, anodyne album that hopes not to alienate anyone but also doesn’t offer new reasons to commit. It’s an album of largely inconsequential beauty, showing Mr. Timberlake as an artist with no incentive to innovate, making this primarily a paean to brand maintenance. It’s not meant to change minds.

dudes got tens of millions of fans, he doesn't need to win anybody over.
i think he's trying to make some ok points here and there, but he largely just sounds butthurt that he's not being wowed by this album that he already knows is going to sell off the racks and get tons of critical acclaim.

  

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60. "RE: there are SOOO many ridiculous statements in this review"
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>this is probly my favorite though
>
>an amiable, anodyne album that hopes not to alienate anyone
>but also doesn’t offer new reasons to commit. It’s an album of
>largely inconsequential beauty, showing Mr. Timberlake as an
>artist with no incentive to innovate, making this primarily a
>paean to brand maintenance. It’s not meant to change minds.
>
>dudes got tens of millions of fans, he doesn't need to win
>anybody over.
>i think he's trying to make some ok points here and there, but
>he largely just sounds butthurt that he's not being wowed by
>this album that he already knows is going to sell off the
>racks and get tons of critical acclaim.
>


It sounds like he is wowed by it but cant commit to saying it.

  

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47. "Honest question: Do you understand what "Ether" means? "
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I don't think you do.

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50. "Sorry Timberlake we found another younger, better looking Justin..."
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We dont need two.




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66. "So...does this dork writer like the album or not?"
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All I read was a bunch of words, words, and words. Lots of SNL talk too. Is this what y'all like?

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76. "HI VIBE.COM READERS!"
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98. "RE: HI VIBE.COM READERS!"
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?....lol

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143. "^"
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Drokayplayer ™


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77. "what's next, an article about Mark Wahlberg's acting skills?"
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JT does what JT does

How can you criticize him

as a member of the Mickey Mouse club

and lead singer of N'Sync

this dude expects him to be Marvin Gaye or Stevie Wonder?

he makes danceable pop music with heavy R&B and Hip-Hop influences

and from this article

it sounds like he's still doing it

if the writer thinks it's drivel

write an article about what you consider good music

because now I want to hear the album

oh, and thanks for the spoiler alert

I was looking forward to his SNL appearance

I hope Fallon comes on for the Gibbs Brothers sketch they do

I think maybe he was gone for too long

and MFers forgot

this is what he does

considering he could actually write some ether about almost any other pop star

I don't get the point of the article

sounds kind of confused to me

he' hyping JT as a performer

and then saying he shouldn't make music

who does that?

oh come see my show of music you never heard before

c'mon

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78. "They can't do the Gibbs sketch because only 1 Gibb is left now."
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And having Justin appear as a ghost would be a bad look.

  

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79. "they weren't doing the Gibbs brothers in present day"
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they were doing the 70s disco kings Gibbs brothers

that's what made it so funny

c'mon

you can still do sketches after people pass away

anyway, that shit was always funny because JT would break character every time laughing at Fallon

and those are the funniest moments on SNL

still kind of bitchmade to publish details about the sketches before the show airs

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80. "His SNL appearance was last weekend."
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93. "The article was masturbatory "look-at-me-I'm-a-writer" blog shit"
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It wasn't to review an album, that's for damn sure. It served its purpose, because dudes are slobbing all over the writer in question in this thread.

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116. "only ppl doing this are writers who seem to be mostly impressed"
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> because dudes are slobbing all over the
>writer in question in this thread.


by the fact he writes for the NYT
everyone else seems to agree that it was a shit review

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120. "it's an NYT article/piece, not a 'review' like this is OKP or Pitchfork"
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122. "Goalposts moved."
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123. "LOL, what goalposts? u just missed the point of the column or disagree. "
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131. "It was a side conversation and had nothing to do with the article."
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Stop being so pressed and wrong .

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135. "RE: It was a side conversation and had nothing to do with the article."
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>Stop being so pressed and wrong .
>
>
LOL, this dude wrote 'words words words words', 'does this dork like the album or not?' & 'look at me I'm a writer/blogger' all while being mad that we thought choosing between an Oxford PhD math program or salaried job writing about music at the Old Grey Lady was impressive.

My internal devil of intellectual snobbery that I try to keep way down in the hole just shot up out a sewer grate in my soul to point & laugh at that bullshit.

  

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82. "great read"
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The only things the author ethers is Jay-Zs 'i'll quote myself lyrics' on suit & tie and Robin Thicke's soul.

  

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87. "he hating, suit and tie grew on me after a few listens"
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I flat out love the shit after seeing him perform it with the scarves. I mean that was just plain entertaining.

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139. "ditto"
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>I flat out love the shit after seeing him perform it with the
>scarves. I mean that was just plain entertaining.




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89. "The album is great. If this guy is stating "Justin could of put more eff..."
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into music" I will agree on that statement. Dude is very talented and loves producers from VA. Timberland hasn't made a song like the ones on 20/20 in a long ass time. I don't know who sat Timbo down and said "listen nigga, stop doing them roids and stop doing techno pop songs"
but yeah he put some classics on this album.

Overall I like the album. Its JT's most r&b influenced album out of the 3.


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90. "RE: The album is great. If this guy is stating "Justin could of put more..."
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This is my opinion on the album:

I have absolutely no problem with the concept of the album, but what I do have a problem with is what, I presume, drove the creative process of the project.

To me it doesn't sound like JT and Timbaland wanted to make a statement sonically, it was more about saying: "We're back and f*ck whatever is going on in mainstream music, 'cause we're the sh*t".

The album has some good moments as the general nostalgia of the record does it a huge favor. Seriously, nostalgic acts seem to always strike a chord with the public, to a certain level. But the lack of ambition towards creating something sonically groundbreaking out of it makes the whole thing very underwhelming. It fails to meet expectations, created by JT's musical hiatus.

To me the weakest aspect of the album is the production. I respect what Timbaland has achieved over his career, but his sound has gotten so tired for such a long time. This album could've been something truly interesting if it would've featured some real cutting edge production; If the interludes felt like something magic instead of trying to prove a point to the listener.

That's what this album truly feels like to me; An unconvincing effort to recreate past-glory behind a deceivingly artistic facade.


As Timbaland says in the intro of the bonus track "Body Count" off the album: "This is what we do...I know y'all been waiting...but..."

  

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128. "RE: The album is great. If this guy is stating "Justin could of put more..."
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But JT hurts TImbo's beats with those lyrics. It's his most R&B, but it's not to the level of Frank Ocean, Miguel or old D'Angelo, Usher, etc.

  

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92. "it's a pretty wack album."
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94. "timberfake ain't nothing but DW GRiffth and TImberland"
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is musically as soft as a roll of Charmin and this garbage is long winded and tired.

timberfake ain't got no soul except in a Leave it to beaver kind of way.

that turkey is genric as all get out and he doesn't even want to be doing music and he ain't even really in the mess he is putting out.


if timbelake was black he would be lucky to open up for Bobby Valentino at a red lobster drive thru.

timberlake equals a puppet of pop.

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96. "You better than this Maxxx"
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>if timbelake was black he would be lucky to open up for
>Bobby Valentino at a red lobster drive thru.

I look forward to fresh new material from your posts. Here you are reusing material fam.

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108. "they ain't getting no one liner until a few days"
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and they are old hand anyway.

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104. "absolutely none of what you said is true"
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You either like it or not

Calling Timberland or Justin untalented is just dumb. They already paid many music dues.

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110. "both are overrated and i'm tell them to there faces"
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i don't think either one of those clowns are anything special to write about at all

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107. "Please. If he were black, you'd gobble his nuts like you do Kells"
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You'd be calling him the second coming for being semi-competent.

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109. "you mean how your mama gobbled on me"
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and how you were born SON!!!!!!!!!

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114. "Because babies are made through oral sex. "
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118. " i wore a mask as Bill Clinton and your mama wore a monica one"
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and congradulations test tube baby you is heere turkey

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126. "Because oral sex is how babies are born. "
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Trolls should be fed with ridicule, disdain, and cruelty.

  

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105. "when did OKP start to love JT is what i'm wondering "
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or maybe this is just a GD thing, wouldn't surprise me

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111. "ain't to many real Black folks over here and that is the truth"
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and you quote me on that, because i don't know too many real black folks who think two cents and a snuff over that fraud timberfake and his genric DW GRiffth clown jive turkey self

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129. "RE: ain't to many real Black folks over here and that is the truth"
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AMEN

  

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171. "Some of you go so far with this blackness shit."
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We all see he's white. That doesn't make his music less catchy, his jokes less funny or his ability to entertain less potent.

Imitation will always be the highest form of flattery. Get over yourself, be brave. Blackness won.

  

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113. "2001"
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http://youtu.be/IbRwSI8yi1o

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177. "^^^^^^^^^^^"
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119. "in terms of pop culture obsession? I'd guess My Love"
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That hit about three zeitgeists in one with Timberlake coming back after four years off, Timbaland dominating pop radio and T.I. dominating rap radio.


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170. ""Gone" caught my curiosity, "Cry Me a River" my attention."
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Is there something _wrong_ with liking Justin Timberlake's music?

  

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112. "JT the artist is like a good employee at an amazing job. "
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He comes in, punches the clock, takes his lunches and breaks on time, never takes longer than he should, and he does his work.

He doesn't sit around on the internet all day, doesn't socialize too much, and meets his quotas.

Thing is, that's all he does. Not quite the bare minimum, but never enough to make you want to promote him.

The point is, he does a good job on these albums. The production always shines, and to that end he makes for a very good muse for his producers. The "problem", if you want to call it that, is that he never really takes these tracks to another level. He doesn't do anything to elevate the music, only enough to do it justice. I like JT, but I simply don't see him as a transcendent artist.

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130. "RE: JT the artist is like a good employee at an amazing job. "
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>He comes in, punches the clock, takes his lunches and breaks
>on time, never takes longer than he should, and he does his
>work.
>
>He doesn't sit around on the internet all day, doesn't
>socialize too much, and meets his quotas.
>
>Thing is, that's all he does. Not quite the bare minimum, but
>never enough to make you want to promote him.
>
>The point is, he does a good job on these albums. The
>production always shines, and to that end he makes for a very
>good muse for his producers. The "problem", if you want to
>call it that, is that he never really takes these tracks to
>another level. He doesn't do anything to elevate the music,
>only enough to do it justice. I like JT, but I simply don't
>see him as a transcendent artist.
>
>
TOO MUCH TRUTH IN THIS POST

  

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140. "yep"
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>only enough to do it justice. I like JT, but I simply don't
>see him as a transcendent artist.


and the article complains that he isnt transcendent...
but i don't view him that way and it has me side eyeing the writer
cause really who does
hes good at his job
and its good enough for me
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115. "."
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133. "Y'all niggas want to read some REAL "ether," then go to allmusic"
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and read the reviews of JT's first two records

Stephen Thomas Erlewine musta been in a shitty mood on both occasions when he reviewed them shits gotdamn

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134. "IARAOT"
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136. "blah blahs."
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I'm drunk, so you'll forgive me as I just go on a bit of rant about this album. I put in a bid for review and missed the lottery, so my words don't have any official merit. Just gonna blog witch'yall. I don't think that slang has a fancy format yet. Anyway, dude, "Pusher Lover Girl". Justin did that song at the Grammies, and from that moment on I was all "gimmie this album, gimmie give me gimmie this album." I didn't get the hate for "Suit & Tie"; I may never. I do agree with the now-infamous ?uest post ("if you gonna go 40.....go 40/40 with it"); if I felt like expanding to blog world, I'd have kept that nugget to myself. But it was public; mad will always me made.

How do I feel about Justin Timberlake? Let's rewind to 2001, 2002. Either "Girlfriend" or "Gone" is on Total Request Live (I called this Total Recall at first - fucking Colin Farrell), and if I'm not making out with the girl that's watching these shows then she's remarking intensely about how much Justin Timberlake stands out. Remember that this was a time when N*SYNC and Backstreet Boys were equally titanic, but something about N*SYNC's largess seemed more doomed to fail. Insiders felt JC Chasez was really in charge, women in for a shock that they were attracted to homos found solace in Lance Bass. Timberlake was for the wusses that didn't know better.

Luckily for perhaps everyone, Timberlake had the narrative. Britney Spears was his girl, perhaps and probably from as far back as the Mickey Mouse days. You're my generation and you have to care; you're the generation above, you're seeking reasons why. Releasing "Cry Me a River" as his solo debut solidified everything folks were afraid of: allow Timberlake control of his public identity, he might show some promise. Justified couldn't help but be the album we were all scared of at the height of boy band mania, the thing that proved at least one of these boy band de facto leaders was worth it.

The wild thing about growing up, that music helps to emphasize, is losing touch. At 24 I already feel an active struggle against it, desperate (and willing, and able) to enjoy new things because if I started falling back on nostalgia I'd feel a little incomplete. Maybe it's the way Justin's given himself to us in the decade since N*SYNC's dissolution, but I almost feel weird about him releasing an album now. I think this is what quite a few other writers are struggling with. Timberlake - and, perhaps to an even greater extent, Timbaland - feel like relics of a bygone era. I'm not sure what it is for them; for me, it's junior year of high school being the year of "My Love" and "What You Know" and middle school being defined by JT and Britney singles.

Just feeling like relics isn't the only cause for concern with 20/20 Experience, though. I'll laud both...at this point, all three of Justin's solo LPs at any opportunity, but none are without their faults. "Don't Hold the Wall" might pop up nearly 20 minutes into the LP proper, but truthfully it's just the third track and couldn't work much more efficiently as a momentum be -header if it tried. marsbars said it best (to stroke his ego, it's also partially why I backed away from submitting a black market review and hoping for the best): there are moments I'm unconvinced need to exist.

The difference is, they come in different spurts for me. "Don't Hold the Wall" is so worthless until it's second half kicks in, when it shifts from turgid late-70s disco jam to bonafied modern day shut the fuck up and dance anthem. But all that Timbaland-ing is a bit much, or obnoxious. It's not a bummer, but it's a bummer. Before I get to the real avalanches (aka: the pop culture controversies) let me talk about what I love. "Pusher Lover Girl" - studio, live or not, what criticisms can I take back to make you love me? "Strawberry Bubblegum", what do you ask of me? "Suit & Tie", what could I give you to remove a Jay-Z verse and beat I don't hate but have no particular opinion about?

And that's about it. For how interested I've been in this album, and listening to it, I have to admit that taken as a division of labor 20/20 Experience isn't the album your brain prepared you for. Very little of this album actually earns what it's asking for, and I don't really mean to take much away from Justin and Tim as I say that. This retro thing has been fetishized for a few years now and it's really no surprise that mainstream acts start to dig into what the scenes in L.A. and the midwestern underground are getting at, but due to rarity you hear a JT/TM collaboration is happening, sometimes you expect the next step.

That said, if this isn't a next step for pop "R&B" in any way it certainly paves the way for this generation's power artists to stop giving a fuck and indulge their favoritism. For example, I'll hate on "Chop Me Up" as long as I'm allowed but on some level I'll always appreciate a Memphis native putting such fucking idiots on his album just because they're arguably more important than he is to local tradition. Justin's been anything but an idiot musically since his segregation; picking and choosing battles.

Anyway, for all the melodic and musical things that I love about this album, if it weren't a huge pop release there'd be some factors I'd weigh more heavily on. For example, "Tunnel Vision" is a killer production but it's really, really stupid from a words point of view. So is "Mirrors". And these are two of the album's so-called definitive songs. Taking after the shifty transition between "Tunnel Vision"'s two parts (an easy criticism, were you a music/pop major, might be the subtle laziness of these "halves"), "Mirror" is equally a song that goes on forever merely because Justin Timberlake + Timbaland makes the song more interesting than Trey Songz + Cool & Dre. Both of these often-lauded songs (from what I've seen) are pretty fair otherwise.

In fact, lyricism is a problem all throughout the album. "Spaceship Coupe" is a song filled with words that sound good mainly because they're contained by the same verse or chorus; maybe I'd buy Justin's shot at Surrounded by Idiots/Princeism a little more if the words were better, but I already buy them quite a bit regardless. I'm just saying that song is a joke that happens to work. That whole giggling baby at the end of the track; where's Ginuwine?

What's probably hardest about 20/20 Experience is that it's ultimately very professional. Unlike when Justin was a scion of pop, he's now simply a filter. Timbaland too. Some people feel weird about that, and it's easy to. After all, the "throwback sound" has been down for a minute now (give or take six years) and this duo (trio, forgive me Jerome) can't help but be linked to that. 20/20 Experience is anything but an innovator's haven. Despite pretensions otherwise, 20/20 Experience is mostly the more solid but less zeitgeisty release it was always destined to be.

Possible this is the most satisfying product Timberlake has and will ever put his name on. Possible we'll never be able to accept it that way. Anyway, this turned out to be a drunken ramble that made sense. I was hoping for The Glow, Pt. 2 zaniness. I suppose this release just doesn't inspire that, so, one more 'gain: I really don't care for "Tunnel Vision" or "Mirrors" much at all. The latter sounds like a Mario song that missed the boat. I don't want to press any more keys. Perhaps I've already pressed more than enough.



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147. "Heh. It's funny/sad how little this review actually discusses the album..."
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Gotta pad that word count, homie.

  

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largest paper in North America.

Might sometimes be more prone to pop-culture commentary than 'Track 4-This song goes, then the bridge is kinda weird, then it comes back in again, I dig it' form of blog & message-board reviewing.

The piece wasn't written to prove he's heard the album or can tell you things you might have already heard yourself on it.

The question is whether you felt like the piece was well-written & entertaining.

To me it succeeded in that regard.

  

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that's way many times i hold back critiques (with writers I respect Jon, Tahenisi, Netsuh) of more their controversial articles. they have to be analytically / "unique angle" exhausted some times.

  

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157. "Don't post or say shit you don't want publicized."
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158. "I'm disappointed at the view/reply ratio"
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only 18,000


JT album must not be hitting if only 18,000 checking for part 2 info...


leak that Beyonce info and break the boards....




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160. "That ratio is crazy considering that most people probably don't give a "
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damn about the source beyond idle curiosity.

  

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They look...


...go OH!...


...then back to beeg.com...


much ado about nothing




?uest could have the best gossip site ever, on some Ms. Betina shit...



BET NOBODY TALK ABOUT BEYONCE, I'LL CUT YOU WITH A BUSHIDO BLADE...

...Beyonce has been taking classes to get her GED...



...this her third time though and ironically she keeps flunking the writing test...



...you ain't heard it from me...



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legato, staccato, andante, forte, fortissimo, piano, allegro, presto.

  

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that is insane

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174. "this just helped JT even more!!!"
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LOL @ ya'll thinking Quest fucked up on this...shit this is more exposure for JT.

got people anticipating more good music is always a win.

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Just love.

  

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"So not impressed with the new JT album. With the exception of Suit & Tie, all of the songs are like 10 minutes long and they all sound alike. JT needs to get his sexy back..."

Haha...that settles it...songs too long...Mumford & Sons got mentioned within a reply or two..banjos attack!

Side question: where do people go to be told what to like musically now? Forever it was radio. Then MTV took over for quite a while. Is it back to radio? Spotify? Pandora? Youtube views? Pitchfork? Where/what/who do random people turn to?

Jimaveli

>http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/17/arts/music/justin-timberlake-releases-the-20-20-experience.html?_r=0
>
>
>March 13, 2013
>
>Some New Songs for a Side Career
>
>By JON CARAMANICA
>
>The last time Justin Timberlake released an album, Barack
>Obama was the junior senator from Illinois, Jay-Z and Beyoncé
>were not married, and iPhones did not exist. It was 2006, just
>a few weeks before Taylor Swift’s debut album arrived, setting
>her on the path to become perhaps the last old-fashioned pop
>superstar. But since then rapid industry decline and
>atomization have all but eliminated the need for Justin
>Timberlakes, or Taylor Swifts, or certainly the opportunities
>to make new ones.
>
>In the meantime Mr. Timberlake signaled his importance in
>other ways: versatile appearances on “Saturday Night Live,”
>which he recently hosted for the fifth time; acting in films
>both acclaimed (“The Social Network”) and derided (“The Love
>Guru”); working on a fashion line; golfing. You know — a full
>life. Given all that, there’s no good reason Mr. Timberlake,
>32, should be making music anymore. And yet he’s about to
>release “The 20/20 Experience” (RCA), which could be mistaken
>for an exercise in hubris were it actually arrogant.
>
>Most artists who stay away so long are trying to cleanse
>themselves of something — an unfortunate subgenre association,
>a nasty scandal. But mostly what Mr. Timberlake has been
>trying to cleanse himself of is music. That’s reflective of
>his broader career goals, and also of the diminished value
>music stardom has in the current entertainment economy.
>
>But while it was Mr. Timberlake’s success in music that
>allowed him the chance to succeed in film, or TV, or fashion,
>or baking (who knows?), now the opposite is true: His
>sustained fame as a polymathic celebrity means there’s still
>an appetite for his music, even if he’s out of step with most
>current trends. (Or maybe he just has a contractual
>obligation. Nobler art has been made for less noble reasons.)
>He could have made a cabaret standards album, an acoustic
>singer-songwriter folk record, a ghastly dance-music
>immersion, a pseudo-Drake sing-rap hybrid. Any of those would
>have been more risky and more distinctive than what ended up
>on “The 20/20 Experience,” an amiable, anodyne album that
>hopes not to alienate anyone but also doesn’t offer new
>reasons to commit. It’s an album of largely inconsequential
>beauty, showing Mr. Timberlake as an artist with no incentive
>to innovate, making this primarily a paean to brand
>maintenance. It’s not meant to change minds.
>
>That’s clear from the first single, the breezy hit “Suit &
>Tie,” which has the lighthearted bop of early New Edition with
>the vocal elegance of sunshine dappled soul groups like Tony!
>Toni! Toné! The molasses-y intro nods to Houston’s screw
>music, and the song features the most negligible Jay-Z verse
>in recent memory (though this mediocre chemistry didn’t
>preclude the two from teaming up for a tour this summer).
>
>The album begins with a labored Prince-esque woman-as-drugs
>comparison, “Pusher Love Girl,” (“Just tell me, can I get a
>light?/Roll you up and let it run through my veins”) and, not
>long after that, a less labored woman-as-tasty-treat
>comparison, “Strawberry Bubblegum,” which has some pleasant
>frisson between Mr. Timberlake’s sweet high voice and producer
>Timbaland’s guttural exhortations.
>
>It’s odd that the one unreservedly great song on this album,
>“Tunnel Vision,” could be by Chris Brown, it’s so modern, with
>its updating of Timbaland’s vintage stutter-step drums and icy
>synths. Also unexpected is the rhythmically exciting “Let the
>Groove Get In,” which samples from an album of music from
>Burkina Faso, and is reminiscent of nothing so much as
>Beyoncé’s martial “Run the World (Girls).” It’s almost a
>breaks record more than a proper song, with Mr. Timberlake
>working a few phrases over and over, never building any real
>tension or release.
>
>“The 20/20 Experience” was made with a small group of
>collaborators — the producers Timbaland and Jerome Harmon
>(known as J-Roc), and the songwriter James Fauntleroy. Mr.
>Timberlake handled the vocal production and arrangements, and
>even some of the mixing. The result is a smallness of purpose,
>with only slight variation throughout, like the deeply
>wholesome soul of “That Girl” or the drowsy “Blue Ocean
>Floor,” which had it been released two or three years ago,
>might have been called chillwave’s pop breakthrough. (Maybe
>Mr. Timberlake has been listening to Enya in his downtime.)
>
>Seven of the 10 songs are more than seven minutes. In an era
>of Frank Ocean soul meditation, this could pass for artistry,
>but really it’s a gesture of conservatism, an argument for the
>album as a whole over whatever abbreviated singles will
>eventually be shipped to radio. It also harks back to ’70s
>soul, Prince’s funk breakdowns and Michael Jackson’s
>hyper-ornate pop. It is Mr. Timberlake radiating seriousness,
>lest you think his music making is frivolous.
>
>There is something to that. This is just his third solo album;
>it’s surprising how much of his fame is still rooted in his
>years in ’NSync, how much of a head start that gave him. It’s
>kept him afloat even though, of all current pop superstars, he
>is the least present, the one still dining out on marginal
>benefits from old work.
>
>Maybe that’s why, if Mr. Timberlake is trying to communicate
>anything about his music, it’s a certain groundedness. On the
>Grammys, and also on “Saturday Night Live,” he performed with
>a band set up behind podiums emblazoned with JT & The
>Tennessee Kids, a visual nod to swing bands and a gimmick that
>lands on the blue-eyed soul spectrum somewhere between
>throwback fetishist Mayer Hawthorne and earnest cheese ball
>Robin Thicke.
>
>Until now Mr. Timberlake was rarely measured on that scale. He
>avoided those sorts of comparisons almost wholly thanks to the
>sui generis breakthrough of his debut album, “Justified,” from
>2002, which introduced him as confident, randy, and just a
>touch sinister and wounded. That album also cemented the
>producer Timbaland, once a revered hip-hop eccentric, as
>something of a modern pop savant. “FutureSex/ LoveSounds,” Mr.
>Timberlake’s follow-up, aimed lower aesthetically, but was
>embraced more widely.
>
>But the peak of Mr. Timberlake’s vocal feeling was “Gone,” the
>2001 ’NSync song that effectively served as his solo
>coming-out party, and which highlighted his pained yelp. Yet
>over the years that’s been sandpapered to a more restrained
>move, all but free of anguish or ecstasy. “Mirrors,” the most
>nakedly emotional song on the new album — seemingly written
>for his wife, Jessica Biel — also perplexingly features the
>most vocal processing, burying Mr. Timberlake and his heart.
>
>To show too much feeling would be to risk alienating people,
>and one of Mr. Timberlake’s signatures is his accessibility.
>He’s not common, but he’s relatable, and never condescending.
>He gets a tremendous amount of mileage just for being a cool
>guy who’s willing to hang out with regular folk.
>
>During his “Saturday Night Live” performance of “Suit & Tie”
>he took a mild swipe at Kanye West, who’d recently targeted
>that song in one of his ceremonial mid-show rants. But just
>two days later, on “Late Night With Jimmy Fallon,” he quickly
>retreated, smile beaming. Mr. Timberlake wouldn’t rock a baby
>bassinet.
>
>He just wants to entertain. On “Saturday Night Live” recently
>he put his musical gifts to wide use, impersonating Elton John
>eulogizing Hugo Chávez in song, reprising his partnership with
>Andy Samberg as sensual early-’90s white R&B goons for a
>dating show sketch, and dressed up as a piece of tofu, hawking
>a vegan restaurant by singing health-friendly versions of
>Chic’s “Le Freak,” Trinidad James’s “All Gold Everything” and
>more.
>
>He sounded more at home and vocally present in those moments
>than when singing his new songs, or almost anywhere on “The
>20/20 Experience.” Forget the album; go see the show, or
>whatever else Mr. Timberlake applies his talents to. He’s
>learned how to be a musician who has no need to make records,
>the perfect solution to the modern economy.
>
>
>
>Here is also an audio review/podcast on the album:
>
>http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/03/15/popcast-is-justin-timberlake-still-a-pop-star/
>
>This album isn't his best work.
>
>There are a few standouts...but SOMETHING is missing.
>
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