it's techincally the same process as taking a sound and allowing an sp-1200 to process it. it replays the sample at a lower sample rate (in the sp's case, 8 bits(?)) and you get a sound that feels thicker because it's slightly distorted, and some of the original information in the sample is missing.
same process with mp3s you upload on soundclick, and the lo-fi versions. firstly, rendering to an mp3 is what they call a high-loss process, where the size of a sound or music file is greatly reduced (typically, 10 mb for one minute of lossless music file, as opposed to roughly 1mb of mp3 data at 128kbps). as you reduce to lower and lower bitrates, alot of the sheen that you'd hear from a cd quality track will be noticably gone. the lo-fi version on soundclick sounds like it's about 64kbps (kilobytes per second) which is really easy to download because it's so small (around 2 minutes of music for 1mb of filespace) but the quality of the reproduction is very low. but, as for dirty and thick, it will definitely increase those factors.
i don't know, does the mpc have a sample rate control where you can dial in the sample rate you want to use when sampling your drums in? i throw a bitrate reducer on the master in FL6 (they're readily available for free, lots of trance and dance producers use them on synths and basslines at extreme reduction levels to get really grimey sounds from digital synths) and drop the reduction level to about 12 or 14 bits and voila, instant mpc60/sp12/etc!
39. "Never thought about that" In response to Reply # 35
Gotta give that a try
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16. "i don't notice it much either" In response to Reply # 6
true the SP is 12-bit but the Analog to Digital converters are so much different than the MPC...you just can't recreate the sound with another machine or a plug-in...you can create a "new" dirty drum sound, but it won't necessarily sound that close to the SP...also a lot of the crunchiness of drums on the SP have to due with the fact that the pitch shift is actually a pseudo-pitch shift on the SP so the further you change the pitch from the original pitch you sampled at, there is a ring-modulation effect which adds those crazy harmonics that cut through like a dull-knife in the hand of a giant.
Zacktly. The SP sound is related to a lot of factors and is only partly due to the bit and sample rates. As far as I know no one has successfully emulated the typical sp sound.
>it's techincally the same process as taking a sound and >allowing an sp-1200 to process it. it replays the sample at a >lower sample rate (in the sp's case, 8 bits(?)) and you get a >sound that feels thicker because it's slightly distorted, and >some of the original information in the sample is missing.
Its 12 bits I believe. But yeah, same process. But the SP still adds something "special" cuz of the a/d algorythm of its audio engine
4. "i love battery TO DEATH." In response to Reply # 3
honestly, i think it's the best drum sampler ever created, hardware or software, and if they ever came out with a hardware version i'd be the first cat in line.
battery 2 completely sons battery 1 and battery one sons just about every other one shot sampler known to man. people don't get just how powerful battery can be.
10. "RE: i love battery TO DEATH." In response to Reply # 4 Tue Jun-20-06 05:03 PM by LANSTARR
>battery 2 completely sons battery 1 and battery one sons just >about every other one shot sampler known to man. people don't >get just how powerful battery can be. >
Ive always wondered about battery. Can you explain exactly why you make such claims?
12. "you can fuck with bit depth/sample rate in any wave editor" In response to Reply # 0
like soundforge, audition, etc.
if you wanna experiment with mp3 encoding find razorlame on google, it's a simple mp3 encoding app that uses LAME (a great mp3 encoder) ----- "the prime reason why i even started the idea of a soulquarians was so i could get first-hand jay dee beats" - questlove
17. "i read in an interview" In response to Reply # 0
that bjork heard some of her tracks leaked on the internet during "Vespertine" and she liked the lo-fi sound of the mp3s and did something like converting individual tracks to lo-fi mp3 and sending them to herself and using them on the final version...I thought that shit was kinda crazy
19. "i see why man...that sh*t was sounding beautiful to me." In response to Reply # 17
yeah, i'm sure it's a tedious process and i'm sure there are other methods that are quicker, but for a broke, adventurous dude like me...it's a nifty little trick.
i'm all for using a little bit of creativity and doing un-orthodox sh*t. and keeping them dimes in my pocket!
20. "The Dirt keeps the funk (c) James Jamerson" In response to Reply # 0
Man, I'm always on a mission to PURPOSELY fuck up my sounds on some lo-fi shit..
I be using a old ass toy sony tape recorder sometimes..to get that lo-fi, semi distorted sound...
The whole trick is to make it sound POURPOSELY fucked up without making it sound like..you just got some fucked up equipment and you dont know what your doing..I think Timbaland (or Jimmy Douglus I shoulda say) is a genius at this..
22. "RE: i just stumbled on a way to dirty your drums/samples up..." In response to Reply # 0
>i'm listening to my soundclick page on lo-fi... > >it sounds like i ran all my sh*t through an SP1200. i might >have to find a way to do something with this.
understand windows of opportunity don't let indecisiveness mess up what could be exactly what you need. cause you might turn around one day later, and what you need won't be there.
Why would you want crappy drums? You need to step into the 21st century and do away with that "vintage" sound. Digital is the way to go. Grimy is so yesterday. Real producers, like me, only use high quality drums for songs. That "dirty" sound doesn't sell records. Do you hear Dr. Dre, Timbaland, The Neptunes, Scott Storch, Lil Jon, Jazze Phe, etc. using dirty drums? Hell no!!! They keep it clean so they can get paid. And if you aren't in this for money, you're are irrelevant.
31. "Tone, are you still on my jock?" In response to Reply # 29 Fri Jun-30-06 02:14 PM by Yadgyu
Let it go son. You are not on my level. If you relax and humble yourself, I could give you some pointers. But talking "tough" to me is only going to leave you...
32. "Yadgyu Izn't Nuttin' But Mod Aliaz To Keep Da Forum Stirred Up" In response to Reply # 24
Infact I got da inzider scoop some of our mozt hated "come out of nowhere talkin' junk" pozterz in each board iz nothin' but da modz keepin' uz pizzed off on purpoze.
Modz don't make me come up in your so-called hidden board & talk trazh about you to like you all do with uz.
46. "i really hate to say it but" In response to Reply # 24
that asshole's right. kinda. why the hell would you want to make your drums more dirty. i can see for a particular song wanting to have a lofi effect. but a generally 'dirty' beatmaking aesthetic. naw, yall can have '92 all to yourselves.
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47. "You can have dirt without falling back the decade though" In response to Reply # 46
Hell, I tend to grunge up drums, more than anything, for an industrial fusion effect or simply to get sounds a little more aggressive. But I also like to grab dry drums and engineer them from scratch, so it's almost a necessity to keep the tone palette open.
36. "RE: i just stumbled on a way to dirty your drums/samples up..." In response to Reply # 0
If you're in the digital world. Send the Drum track to a bus that has a Guitar Amp filter w/ some bitcrushing on it, then use a hi pass or low pass filter to see which end gives the right type of grit. since the effect is taking place on the bus, it will make it easier for you to edit/automate.
50. "I just started using Reason's Reverb for that..." In response to Reply # 0
the Damp control...turn it up and it dirties yr drums quite nicely...
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