Can someone clear up these issues for me?

1) Limbo... I have been trying to understand the details of this "limbo" phenomenon as other things in the movie have slowly made sense but not this.

a) how did Cobb and Mal get there in the first place? Did they die under sedation? Did they just get so "good" at dreaming that they could enter limbo at will?

b) so do you automatically enter limbo in the 4th dream level?

c) Why did Saito age so much while in Limbo but Fischer doesn't age a lick? Wasn't Fisher stuck in Limbo after Mal killed him? Is it just implied that Saito was there much longer? If this is the case, that seems like a huge plot hole, IMO.

2) About the Architect... So the architect doesn't need to be in the actual dream in order for their structures to be utilized? This seems like something that is quickly glossed over before they get on the plane. Cobb tells Saito to get another seat for Adriadne and i'm like wtf?? How the fuck wasn't she gonna be on the damn plane if she's the architect??? How exactly are her structures transferred from her conscious/subconscious into another dreamer's mind? And how is it done that accurately?

3) Who's dream are they in during the 3rd level (snow fortress/hospital)? Cobb says to Eames "It's your dream"... so I'm thinking they are in Eame's dream the whole time. Is this the case?

Also, when they're in the hotel (2nd level) Fischer encounters Browning and they enter the stepfather's dream (according to Fisher) even though it's Eames. Now, doesn't Fischer know that he's in a dream already? If this is the case, why does Fischer agree to go into browning's dream when he isn't even real? This part always confuses me as they seem to gloss over it really fast but it's not explained.



That's it for now (I think). Thanks in advance.

Because if you try to write essays explaining it, you will find things that don't make sense and the whole perception of the film as "deep" will totally fall apart.

It's a fun flick with cool visuals and big picture ideas, but the puzzle pieces don't all fit perfectly together unless you use the "in a dream, there are no rules" plea cop.

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i mean, i've pretty much expanded by disbelief for a majority of the movie, and have been able to thoroughly enjoy it for the experience. nonetheless, i'm a stickler for details and the issues i mentioned above seem to be GAPING holes in the plot that are essential to the overall logic of the film. so far, i haven't heard a legitimate explanations for any of them.

but i see what you're saying, no doubt. i just thought i'd throw it out there and see what other peoples' thoughts are.

>i mean, i've pretty much expanded by disbelief for a majority
>of the movie, and have been able to thoroughly enjoy it for
>the experience. nonetheless, i'm a stickler for details and
>the issues i mentioned above seem to be GAPING holes in the
>plot that are essential to the overall logic of the film. so
>far, i haven't heard a legitimate explanations for any of
>them.
>
>but i see what you're saying, no doubt. i just thought i'd
>throw it out there and see what other peoples' thoughts are.

1. Someone will come in here with long convoluted and tough-to-follow explanations to your questions.

2. Someone will get mad that I said the questions don't really have good answers.

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still a great flick!

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in terms of the logic and cohesiveness of the plot. you might have to see it like 3/4 times but i can't just pick it apart like i can inception.

It all makes perfect sense in the context of the movie.

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(and you can look at the original post if you don't believe me lol)He's right...it doesn't make sense and it really doesn't matter because having a logic-proof movie wasn't Nolan's intention. Hell, the movie involves a 'dream-machine' where cats link-up, the basic foundation of the movie is based on a leap of faith.

Take a cue from the ending of the movie when Leo simply leaves the top behind....it doesn't matter anymore because the experience has gotten you to where the director intended.

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"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
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L D E A

don't try and decipher and decode it, it'll come apart at the seams no doubt. the movie's not about that

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I enjoyed the hell out of those discussions though lol

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and y'all just pooouurr time and money into this
bullshit.

You watch his dumbass movies over and over and
over and over and they never give you want you
want because he's a fucking robber

His movies aren't about shit

Memento? The plot was doo doo and about nothing.
Nothing to "get." It was doo doo


The Prestige? LOL. That was dumber than Memento


Inception? Nothing to get. It was cool to look
at and had good action. The "twists" and all that
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>Inception? Nothing to get. It was cool to look
>at and had good action.

last 2/3rds of the movie are basically random people shooting machine guns at each other and missing. sort of gets played after the first half hour or so.

>Can someone clear up these issues for me?
>
>1) Limbo... I have been trying to understand the details of
>this "limbo" phenomenon as other things in the movie have
>slowly made sense but not this.

Limbo is an unplanned dream state. With the other dreams, they have an architect to design it, and they have a plan to get in and out. But they only designed three dreams - the city, the hotel, the mountain - so when they start ANOTHER dream within the 3rd dream, there was no plan. So what you get is a crazy world built up of the contents of the dreamers' subconsciouses.

But ALSO, you end up in limbo if you die while under deep sedation (because your brain is not ready to wake up, like would normally happen).

So basically, the Batman Begins dude died during the third dream, and went into limbo. The Japanese dude also died during the third dream, and went into limbo. DeCap and the architect chick were in the third dream when they died, so they decided to 'dream' themselves into limbo using the dreaming device, to get their buddies back.

Since limbo at this point was mostly the contents of DeCap's mind (cause he'd been there before), he knew where they would find the Batman Begins dude (because Mal had kidnapped him). So they found him, and the architect jumped off skyscraper with him so they'd snap out of the dream with the fall/kick combo.

But DeCap stayed behind to look for Japanese dude. And because time goes so slowly in limbo, and Japanese dude had been in there longer, he was now an old man and had forgotten how he got there. When DeCap found him he himself could barely remember, but they managed to remind themselves and will themselves to wake up (probably by killing themselves). (the problem with limbo in general is that you just don't realize you're there)

>
>a) how did Cobb and Mal get there in the first place? Did they
>die under sedation? Did they just get so "good" at dreaming
>that they could enter limbo at will?
>

they would simply have entered an unplanned dream, probably a few levels deep already and under deep sedation. Since they were Pros however, they could actually just build the dreamworld once they got there, and kinda knew what was going on (but eventually they forgot, until DeCap remembered and convinced whatsherface)

>b) so do you automatically enter limbo in the 4th dream level?
>

no, in theory you could have a 4th level dream already planned. but maybe that is impossible, since the chemist dude earlier was like 'THREE levels?? that's not possible"


>
>c) Why did Saito age so much while in Limbo but Fischer
>doesn't age a lick? Wasn't Fisher stuck in Limbo after Mal
>killed him? Is it just implied that Saito was there much
>longer? If this is the case, that seems like a huge plot hole,
>IMO.
>

because he went in there first, yes, but also remember that time would go exponentially slower, so if he went in 5 minutes earlier, that might be 25 years in limbo time.


>2) About the Architect... So the architect doesn't need to be
>in the actual dream in order for their structures to be
>utilized? This seems like something that is quickly glossed
>over before they get on the plane. Cobb tells Saito to get
>another seat for Adriadne and i'm like wtf?? How the fuck
>wasn't she gonna be on the damn plane if she's the
>architect??? How exactly are her structures transferred from
>her conscious/subconscious into another dreamer's mind? And
>how is it done that accurately?
>

it says in the film that she's going to teach the structures to the rest of the team. i think it's the english dude or the chemist that's supposed to learn them (but Dom is supposed to deliberately not learn them). i mean she builds models for them to study

>3) Who's dream are they in during the 3rd level (snow
>fortress/hospital)? Cobb says to Eames "It's your dream"... so
>I'm thinking they are in Eame's dream the whole time. Is this
>the case?
>

i think it's the English dude's dream, but the subject is Fisher's deputy dude, which is actually just Fisher's own subconscious. and because Fisher has had anti-dream training, the snow level becomes super militarized

>Also, when they're in the hotel (2nd level) Fischer encounters
>Browning and they enter the stepfather's dream (according to
>Fisher) even though it's Eames. Now, doesn't Fischer know that
>he's in a dream already? If this is the case, why does Fischer
>agree to go into browning's dream when he isn't even real?
>This part always confuses me as they seem to gloss over it
>really fast but it's not explained.

um i think the point of level 1 was to make Fisher suspicious of Browning, or plant seeds of suspicion at least
so when they get to level 2, DeCap convinces Fisher he's dreaming and someone's out to steal from him
Fisher then falls into the trap of assuming Browning must be the enemy

so at that point Fisher thinks Browning has invaded his dream.

DeCap then convinces him they need to enter Browning's mind to find what HE'S got to hide

(or something like that, i can't remember exactly. basically Fisher thinks Browning in level 2 IS THE REAL BROWNING tapping into his dream)


>
>
>
>That's it for now (I think). Thanks in advance.

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>Limbo is an unplanned dream state. With the other dreams, they
>have an architect to design it, and they have a plan to get in
>and out. But they only designed three dreams - the city, the
>hotel, the mountain - so when they start ANOTHER dream within
>the 3rd dream, there was no plan. So what you get is a crazy
>world built up of the contents of the dreamers'
>subconsciouses.


>But ALSO, you end up in limbo if you die while under deep
>sedation (because your brain is not ready to wake up, like
>would normally happen).

ok.

>So basically, the Batman Begins dude died during the third
>dream, and went into limbo. The Japanese dude also died during
>the third dream, and went into limbo. DeCap and the architect
>chick were in the third dream when they died, so they decided
>to 'dream' themselves into limbo using the dreaming device, to
>get their buddies back.

see? you're just "throwing it out there" that they decided to "dream" themselves into limbo. the movie doesn't explain this at all, it's one of those quick tidbits that i feel like nolan threw in the script and hoped no one pays attention or are too distracted with the 10 other things that are simultaneously occurring. NOPE! you can't just "DREAM" yourself into limbo willingly, this was never explained and you made it up.

>Since limbo at this point was mostly the contents of DeCap's
>mind (cause he'd been there before), he knew where they would
>find the Batman Begins dude (because Mal had kidnapped him).
>So they found him, and the architect jumped off skyscraper
>with him so they'd snap out of the dream with the fall/kick
>combo.

yeah, but he was still in limbo and didn't age a lick. it's not implied how long saito was in there or how dicaprio even got into the water to be washed up on shore. he was just MAGICALLY in the water all of a sudden and washed up on shore... this all just sort of "happens" and we are supposed to accept that it makes logical sense. NOPE! sorry. plot hole.

>But DeCap stayed behind to look for Japanese dude. And because
>time goes so slowly in limbo, and Japanese dude had been in
>there longer, he was now an old man and had forgotten how he
>got there. When DeCap found him he himself could barely
>remember, but they managed to remind themselves and will
>themselves to wake up (probably by killing themselves). (the
>problem with limbo in general is that you just don't realize
>you're there)

Ok, but didn't dicaprio and adriagne "dream" themselves into limbo to get fischer?? they seem to be very conscious of where they were and what they were doing. see? this logic is flawed. unless there are two levels of limbo, which according to your logic, there must be.

>they would simply have entered an unplanned dream, probably a
>few levels deep already and under deep sedation. Since they
>were Pros however, they could actually just build the
>dreamworld once they got there, and kinda knew what was going
>on (but eventually they forgot, until DeCap remembered and
>convinced whatsherface)

good explanation, but again, you are guessing.

>because he went in there first, yes, but also remember that
>time would go exponentially slower, so if he went in 5 minutes
>earlier, that might be 25 years in limbo time.

^see above statements.

>it says in the film that she's going to teach the structures
>to the rest of the team. i think it's the english dude or the
>chemist that's supposed to learn them (but Dom is supposed to
>deliberately not learn them). i mean she builds models for
>them to study

fair enough.

>um i think the point of level 1 was to make Fisher suspicious
>of Browning, or plant seeds of suspicion at least
>so when they get to level 2, DeCap convinces Fisher he's
>dreaming and someone's out to steal from him
>Fisher then falls into the trap of assuming Browning must be
>the enemy
>
>so at that point Fisher thinks Browning has invaded his
>dream.
>
>DeCap then convinces him they need to enter Browning's mind to
>find what HE'S got to hide
>
>(or something like that, i can't remember exactly. basically
>Fisher thinks Browning in level 2 IS THE REAL BROWNING tapping
>into his dream)

again, good explanation, but you're also just assuming this is what happened. nothing int he movie implies that fischer thinks browning has invaded his dream. only that "someone" has invaded.

so only leo and the japanese dude died right?

only, he goes into limbo and gets kidnapped by mal - who is a fabrication of leo's subconscious - gagged, and locked on her back porch.

i'm confused about the end. did he really make it out or was he still dreaming in limbo?

from the part where they're back all on the plane to the part where he's at the airport then back home seemed almost too good to be true.

then he gets home, and sees his kids' face and i'm like ok that never happened when he was dreaming but then his thing never stopped spinning as the movie faded to black.

i'm probably just thinking too hard or slow though lol

just before the cut to credits.

it doesn't do that at all in the dream world.

he made it back to his kids.

it's a happy ending.

The architect could re-design the physics
however she wants to.

Its a dream, after all.



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in the dream worlds, it spins the same each time, no matter the architect or the surface.

the only time it falters is at the end.

*shrug*

cutting to the credits before it toppled was just nolan 'winking' at the audience, imo.

it's okay to have a happy ending - and the narrative is stronger for it in this case.

From reading comments I guess multiple viewings doesnt help.

Not even sure how I feel about it. Its very ambitious, I'll say that. And I wonder if having seen the South Park episode first made me a little cynical.

This might help:
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i have no idea why u wasted 10 hours of your life watching it 4 times.
not only is the story confusing, but it's boring and bland.
it doesn't get any better either. it stays horrible throughout.
they took 2 1/2 hours to tell a 40min story which was bad to begin with.
the action wasn't even good, and neither were the effects. if u try
and tell me that floating in the air, trying to get to an elevator,
while 4 levels of "dreams" are occurring makes for a good flick...
that movie was such complete garbage and im mad for throwing my money away

>i have no idea why u wasted 10 hours of your life watching it
>4 times.
>not only is the story confusing, but it's boring and bland.
>it doesn't get any better either. it stays horrible
>throughout.
>they took 2 1/2 hours to tell a 40min story which was bad to
>begin with.
>the action wasn't even good, and neither were the effects. if
>u try
>and tell me that floating in the air, trying to get to an
>elevator,
>while 4 levels of "dreams" are occurring makes for a good
>flick...
>that movie was such complete garbage and im mad for throwing
>my money away


seeing the trailer i was blown away by the effects, the characters walking on walls, streets bending, floating in air, etc

watching the movie? not so much

i really want to like this movie, i feel a couple of changes would make me fanatical about it like i was about the Matrix

i wouldn't say it's "horrible." definitely overrated, but not horrible. the acting, cinematography, and overall pace of the film are great. even though i was confused, i was never bored. the gunfights toward the end are stupid, i'll give you that, and the suspense feels forced. but overall it's still an entertaining flick.

at least i didn't walk out of the theater

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i saw it for the 4th time two weeks ago n it only got better (again) for me.

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>i saw it for the 4th time two weeks ago n it only got better
>(again) for me.


Because this movie was cool action and shit, but
didn't make a grain of motherfuckin sense


Just like most of Nolan's gimmicky ass movies


LOL @ The Prestige too


He just introduce dumbass loops to make fun of how
dumb the audience is, like:

"I'm gonna introduce some weird circular shit, and watch
these niggas con themselves into thinking its interesting."


LOL


Shit don't make no damn sense


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there's a...i dunno, a polished look/feel to his stuff? but then again, there's a lot of awkwardness with how he handles dialogue too so he's good n bad. i see ur point but i enjoyed the crap out of it. i don't even care if it's my own brain conjuring up the greatness, i'm fine with that lol.

fair to say tho, i honestly didn't think much of the film after the first imax screening. and not to turn my post into "u have to see it more than once to get it, duh", but i guess in my case it was more like..the more i saw it, the more my brain found ways to make sense of it? and the more i enjoyed the slower bits cos it accentuated the emotional drive behind everything (which doesn't really pay off til he has that convo with Mal/his projection of Mal in limbo).

meh. i will still ride for this flick. best time i've had at a theatre in AGES. the moviegoing experience is all about how it makes me feel or it if it makes me feel SOMEthing at all. after 1st viewing, i felt emotionally uninvested. 2nd viewing, slightly more into Cobb's POV. and by the 3rd viewing, i was almost in tears when he confronts himself. probly cos i'd taken the trip with the dude 3 times, but also cos on first viewing there's just too much dream rules and raw info to take in and that saps the emotion. but when u see it again already knowing the mechanics of how everything is sposed to work, i guess u concentrate more (or solely) on Cobb's emotional drive. i dont think Leo's acted his ass of as much as he has in Inception, not for a while anyway. i know it seems like he's not, but repeat viewings man. they work wonders.

and it's kinda heinous writing off a decade-long project as soulless and hollow and it being a big con job by Nolan, dude. clearly there was an above average level of thought that went into the project that the usual Hollywood shit doesn't have these days. not in a blockbuster anyway.

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Christopher Nolan (Somewhat) Explains INCEPTION
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Inception is a fun movie to talk about thanks to its ambiguity. If writer-director Christopher Nolan were to come along and tell you exactly what happened, he would only be destroying the ambiguity he built into the film. In the latest issue of Wired (issue 18.12), Nolan provides a little clarification on some of the debated points about his film, but doesn’t spoil the whole thing. Wired lays out the article as a chart with different arguments about the text (“The Entire Movie Is a Dream”, “Just the Ending is a Dream”) and the sub-text (“The Movie is a Meditation on Architecture”, “It’s About Movie-Making”). Hit the jump for Nolan’s responses to some of the theories. Obviously, spoilers ahead.


Thanks to Wired for this awesome article. The whole issue is great and you should definitely pick it up.



What’s happening in the movie: After the first extraction fails, Cobb spins his top to check if he is in a dream. It falls over.

“The Ending Is Not a Dream” Argument: This establishes context for the audience—the movie is not all a dream.

Nolan’s Comment: “This gives Cobb a base-line reality. But he’s an untrustworthy narrator.”



What’s happening in the movie: Saito says he’ll clear Cobb’s name if he takes the job. He asks Cobb to take “a leap of faith.”

“The Entire Movie Is a Dream” Argument: The phrase “leap of faith” occurs over and over. It’s an artifact of Cobb’s subconscious.

Nolan’s Comment: “I don’t think I’m going to tell you about this.”



What’s happening in the movie: Cobb starts assembling his team and trains Ariadne in dreamweaving.

“Actually, It’s About Movie-Making” Argument: All the roles correspond. Cobb: director. Ariadne: writer. Eames: art director. Saito: producer. Fischer: audience.

Nolan’s Comment: “I didn’t intend to make a film about film-making, but I gravitated toward the creative process that I know.”



What’s happening in the movie: Cobb goes to Mombasa to get Eames the forger and Yusuf the chemist.

“Or Maybe It’s a Meditation on Architecture” Argument: A beautiful pan across the rooftops of Mombasa.

Nolan’s Comment: “I wanted to show the potential for the real world to have analogies to the dream world. The mazelike city of Mombasa does that.”

“Actually, It’s About Movie-Making” Argument: Smash cuts, mysterious chases, implausible coincidences—the grammar of film is the grammar of dreams.

Nolan’s Comment: “I wouldn’t say that I tried to use the grammar of the film to tell the audience what is dream and what is reality.”



What’s happening in the movie: Cobb confronts Mal in limbo, and Fischer is incepted in the hospital.

“The Entire Movie Is a Dream” Argument: Mal challenges Cobb’s reality. Faceless corporations? Chased around the globe? Really?

Nolan’s Comment: “For the ambiguity at the end to work, you need to see that Cobb’s world and the dream world are very similar. And you need to doubt Cobb.”




What’s happening in the movie: Cobb washes up on the beach (full circle with beginning).

“Just the Ending Is a Dream” Argument: Saito honors his agreement. They build limbo to be their reality together.

Nolan’s Comment: “Uh…that’s not how I would have read the movie.”




What’s happening in the movie: Arriving home, Cobb finally sees his children’s faces.

“The Entire Movie Is a Dream” Argument: The kids haven’t aged! And they’re in the same clothes! This is clearly all a dream.

Nolan’s Comment: “The kids are not wearing the same clothes at the end! And they do age! We were working with two sets of kids.”

“Or Maybe It’s a Meditation on Architecture” Argument: It’s the golden-lit craftsman dream home…with a house made of blocks on the dining table.

Nolan’s Comment: “The film is about architects. It’s about builders.”



What’s happening in the movie: Cobb spins the top—it’s still spinning when the movie cuts to black.

“The Entire Movie Is a Dream” Argument: The top doesn’t matter—Cobb can finally see his children’s faces.

Nolan’s Comment: “The important thing is that Cobb’s not looking at the top. He doesn’t care.”

“Or Maybe It’s a Meditation on Architecture” Argument: The top itself is constructed—topologically, it’s a pseudosphere, every point curving away.

Nolan’s Comment: “The prop guys just made a top that would spin for a long time.”

“Actually, It’s About Movie-Making” Argument: The audience has to “take a leap of faith.” Nolan uses ambiguity as a storytelling tool. There isn’t just one answer.

Nolan’s Comment: “Oh no, I’ve got an answer…”

It should be pretty clear from the events that
took place in the film.


Nobody who saw it in the theatre got the details
right, because the movie is dumb and ambiguous.


Its unethical, because he wants people to see his
movies 6 times, only to realize none of that shit
mattered because it doesn't make sense. He's just
milking the public's money by tapping into their
intellectual insecurity.


'Memento' and 'Prestige' were the same way. Neither
made any sense, at all.

And still enjoyed it enough to want to understand it better a second time?

>Its unethical, because he wants people to see his
>movies 6 times, only to realize none of that shit
>mattered because it doesn't make sense.

It makes sense it's just not black or white. Shades of grey son. But if you don't wanna deal with it that's on you.

Whether or not you understand a movie completely on it's initial viewing, if you don't get enough enjoyment out of it the 1st time, you're not going to want to go back & explore it further. He's not forcing anyone to see his movie multiple times. A lot of David Lynch & Richard Kelly movies never seem to make much sense to me either. There also not good enough to make me want to try and figure em out a second time.

He's just
>milking the public's money by tapping into their
>intellectual insecurity.

Lol. Yeah that's it.

>'Memento' and 'Prestige' were the same way. Neither
>made any sense, at all.

They make perfect sense and I know you're smart enough to figure em out but you'd rather protect that rep. Do you son.

>And still enjoyed it enough to want to understand it better a
>second time?

No, you're lying.

You saw it once, didn't understand MAJOR DETAILS
in it, saw it 17 other times, and still don't get
all the details, because nobody does


>It makes sense it's just not black or white. Shades of grey
>son. But if you don't wanna deal with it that's on you.

You're copping pleas with this "its not black and white"

It either fits together or it don't. Anything else is
copping pleas for a bad movie.


>Whether or not you understand a movie completely on it's
>initial viewing, if you don't get enough enjoyment out of it
>the 1st time, you're not going to want to go back & explore it
>further. He's not forcing anyone to see his movie multiple
>times. A lot of David Lynch & Richard Kelly movies never seem
>to make much sense to me either. There also not good enough to
>make me want to try and figure em out a second time.


No, they make more sense than Nolan.



>They make perfect sense and I know you're smart enough to
>figure em out but you'd rather protect that rep. Do you son.


No, neither of them do.

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>
>
>>And still enjoyed it enough to want to understand it better
>a
>>second time?
>
>No, you're lying.

No, you are.

>You saw it once, didn't understand MAJOR DETAILS
>in it, saw it 17 other times, and still don't get
>all the details, because nobody does

You saw it once & understood it fine then got mad when others didn't see it the same way you did & started your hissy fit.

>>It makes sense it's just not black or white. Shades of grey
>>son. But if you don't wanna deal with it that's on you.
>
>You're copping pleas with this "its not black and white"
>
>It either fits together or it don't. Anything else is
>copping pleas for a bad movie.

Not that simple Simon. Sorry.

>>Whether or not you understand a movie completely on it's
>>initial viewing, if you don't get enough enjoyment out of it
>>the 1st time, you're not going to want to go back & explore
>it
>>further. He's not forcing anyone to see his movie multiple
>>times. A lot of David Lynch & Richard Kelly movies never
>seem
>>to make much sense to me either. There also not good enough
>to
>>make me want to try and figure em out a second time.
>
>
>No, they make more sense than Nolan.

They don't make more sense or cents. Stay mad about it.

and I'm afraid PTP wouldn't have it any other way

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I enjoyed most of it for the cool visuals and the suspense and the ideas. What irks me is random joes coming up telling me it's brilliant and explaining all their theories, all of which will fall apart under scrutiny or at least be stretched very thin.

When making a movie with all these ideas, logic lapses or smaller letdowns are bound to occur. I just wish the folks who love this movie will admit this instead of insisting to me that the movie is perfect and if I can't explain something then it's because I'm too stupid as an audience member-- it can't possibly be anything wrong with the film itself.

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For selling fool's gold over and over and over
and over


This nigga Nolan has an addiction to bullshit, and I'm
sorry, I'm gonna TALK ABOUT IT


You can't sell the guise of an organized, coherent
plot over and over again, when the movie just deconstructs
into shit and there's just random ass scenes everywhere


Film doesn't work like that; that's artistic dishonesty,
and you on some bullshit. Its like throwing child porn
in every movie just because you know niggas gonna see
it, just to see it (not the Orbster, though)


I don't mind niggas for cheap gimmicks, but miss
me with this "he's a great director" bullshit.


No, he ain't.


I mean, there's another post about 'Waking Life'.

That's an incoherent sequence of scenes that are trippy,
interesting, and fun.


'Inception' is like 'Waking Life' except its SOLD ON
THE IDEA that the scenes actually make some sense and
fit together somehow.


They don't make shit sense. Its random, the story don't
fit together, at all.


Sorry.


Spielberg and Scorcese didn't NEVER NEED NO BULLSHIT
gimmicks, because those niggas can DIRECT AN ACTUAL
COHERENT STORY.


Nolan is some bullshit




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>DON'T MAKE ME FIND YOU AND EXPOSE YOU NIGGA

I AINT HARD TO FIND SON! I'M IN LIMBO SON! TAKE A LEAP OF FAITH OFF THAT HIGH HORSE & I'LL SEE YOU IN A SEC SON!

BWAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!

---------------------------------
<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

L D E A

*waits*






















































*waits*




























*waits*



































(WTF I'm dreaming????)



















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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

http://i.imgur.com/vPqCzVU.jpg

>I enjoyed most of it for the cool visuals and the suspense
>and the ideas. What irks me is random joes coming up telling
>me it's brilliant and explaining all their theories, all of
>which will fall apart under scrutiny or at least be stretched
>very thin.

Why get irked if someone sees the movie a different way than you do? It's like the Fight Club thing all over again. Some peeps read into stuff too much but that shouldn't stop your enjoyment from what you liked about it.

>When making a movie with all these ideas, logic lapses or
>smaller letdowns are bound to occur. I just wish the folks who
>love this movie will admit this instead of insisting to me
>that the movie is perfect and if I can't explain something
>then it's because I'm too stupid as an audience member-- it
>can't possibly be anything wrong with the film itself.

I'll be the first one to admit it. Happy now?

>I'll be the first one to admit it. Happy now?

It's the slew of human beings on and off OKP that insist that if I find any logic gaps that I "don't get it."

I'm fine with folks asking him about it. I do think he needs to either stick to being cagey with his answers or just give them all. This "give some answers, stay cagey on others" shtick is starting to seem like Cuse and Lindelof's self-satisfied teases, which rubs me the wrong way. I have ZERO problem with no answers, and I have ZERO problem with all the answers. But that interview above... was a bit smug for my taste, personally.

Then again, it's his shit and he's a multi-millionaire, so he can obviously conduct himself how he wants until I sell blockbuster screenplays and become richer.

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I fully expected OE & others to run in on their high horse but maybe it'll help those who were lookin for it

>and I'm afraid PTP wouldn't have it any other way

I'm afraid C-Note might get busted for extortion

>Nolan’s Comment: “The important thing is that Cobb’s not
>looking at the top. He doesn’t care.”

---------------------------------
<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

L D E A

http://i.imgur.com/vPqCzVU.jpg

The spinning top was only spinning that way because
it was actually the third level, while the architect
build the top to only spin that way when it the dream.

When the sedation wore off, Cobb went to the Japanese
guy, and you noticed that the spinning top was spinning
approximately 2.5 m/s^2 faster than at the end, which
was a design by the architect to trick Cobb into thinking
that he was actually in limbo when he wasnt.




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---------------------------------
<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

L D E A

http://i.imgur.com/vPqCzVU.jpg

And then there's the take where it is reality...and you can discuss it for hours upon hours and still not come to any conclusion lol.

None of that matters though, the point imo is that Leo dealt with the shit he needed to in order to be at peace...regardless of what construct he's in at the end, the character is where he wants to be.

---------------------------------
<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

L D E A

>the character is where he wants to be.

And the toppling to meant he was in not in the real world but from all this shit I guess we never saw the real world??

Dam.

http://i.imgur.com/vPqCzVU.jpg

Interesting note though: Nolan only put that final wobble scene into the final cut...I know a couple cats who saw it early(and there's one OKP who did as well) where that final wobble wasn't in there. Was he intentionally waiting to put it in or did he just want to make the film that much more ambiguous? No way to know really.

---------------------------------
<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

L D E A

Weird, but true.


That's my spinning top.


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What about the fact that the totems shouldnt be touched by others?

http://i.imgur.com/vPqCzVU.jpg

If you're in the dream of someone who knows how your totem works, then they can fool you into believing you're in reality by making the totem stop doing what it's supposed to(which is the indicator of reality).

edit: Not sure if you were asking why lol...but I don't think anyone touched Leo's totem, other than Mal?

---------------------------------
<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

L D E A

That guard and Japanese bol had to have touched it, no?

Or am I just lost in dream?

http://i.imgur.com/vPqCzVU.jpg

If you are within a person's dream who knows the unique property of your totem, you could be fooled to think you're back in reality.

---------------------------------
<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

L D E A

>If you are within a person's dream who knows the unique
>property of your totem, you could be fooled to think you're
>back in reality.

Its alll making sense now

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thanks for this, but honestly it really doesn't help at all. and most of those questions are FAR more convoluted and less concrete than the one's I ask in my original post. not to mention, nolan's responses are extremely short and vague.

glad I could spark some lively debate on the matter.

funny thing is, no one has really answered any of the questions that I proposed, at least in a way to where it tangibly makes sense and requires no "stretching" of disbelief.

i have just come to the conclusion that it's a well done movie with several logical flaws and plot-holes sprinkled about. but these flaws aren't glaring enough to take away from the overall enjoyment of the film.

He's layered ambiguity on top of a unreliable narrator and then directed it and edited it in an unreliable way.

It's not a MENSA puzzle that will have an answer. Just sit back and enjoy and don't try to figure it out.

WHY WOULD TONY STARK PRIVITIZE WORLD PEACE?!? HIS STOCKHOLDERS WOULD HAVE FORCED HIM OUT FOR SPENDING A LARGE AMOUNT OF COMPANY FUNDS ON NON-PROFIT PERSONAL PROJECTS??!? ITS A BULLSHIT MOVIE MAN!!!

and also lol@taking Nolan seriously when he's like see the movie 6 times. Im pretty sure he gets a cut of the dvd sales, lol.

What really baffles me is the Prestige hate; from what I remember outside of the M.Night ending (which was mandatory from all films at the time and almost always requires suspension of belief) it was pretty straight forward.

>WHY WOULD TONY STARK PRIVITIZE WORLD PEACE?!? HIS
>STOCKHOLDERS WOULD HAVE FORCED HIM OUT FOR SPENDING A LARGE
>AMOUNT OF COMPANY FUNDS ON NON-PROFIT PERSONAL PROJECTS??!?
>ITS A BULLSHIT MOVIE MAN!!!


Not everyone completely shuts off their brain when watching films. The movie clearly was made with the intention of sparking critical debate, we're not in here talking about some mindless, by-the-numbers action film (A-Team).

Like, I love 12 Monkey's. I remember debating that movie for hours when it came out.

But I also recognize that it, like pretty much all time travel movies, has holes you can drive a truck through.

I love smart action movies, but methinks your asking a bit much. Debate the endings, debate if Cobb was or wasn't in a dream, but to kind of call it sloppy filmmaking, lol.

about the film and they rave about how "smart" and "intelligent" it is. and then all of those glaring plot holes pop into my mind so i just want to see if i'm the only one missing the boat here.

i honestly feel that a lot of people have been so dumbed down by the Hollywood cookie-cutter standard, that when they see a movie like this, it almost blows their mind.

>and also lol@taking Nolan seriously when he's like see the
>movie 6 times. Im pretty sure he gets a cut of the dvd sales,
>lol.

Seriously. So what he makes movies that reward multiple viewings. He's not holding a gun to anyones head forcing them to see it even once.

>What really baffles me is the Prestige hate; from what I
>remember outside of the M.Night ending (which was mandatory
>from all films at the time and almost always requires
>suspension of belief) it was pretty straight forward.

Exactly. Both that & Memento almost literally spell out the movie at the end.

>Can someone clear up these issues for me?
>
>1) Limbo... I have been trying to understand the details of
>this "limbo" phenomenon as other things in the movie have
>slowly made sense but not this.
>
>a) how did Cobb and Mal get there in the first place? Did they
>die under sedation? Did they just get so "good" at dreaming
>that they could enter limbo at will?

they went enough levels in. it's not complicated.


>
>b) so do you automatically enter limbo in the 4th dream level?
>
who gives a shit?


>
>c) Why did Saito age so much while in Limbo but Fischer
>doesn't age a lick? Wasn't Fisher stuck in Limbo after Mal
>killed him? Is it just implied that Saito was there much
>longer? If this is the case, that seems like a huge plot hole,
>IMO.

fisher didn't die immediately they kept him alive for a while remember?


>
>2) About the Architect... So the architect doesn't need to be
>in the actual dream in order for their structures to be
>utilized? This seems like something that is quickly glossed
>over before they get on the plane. Cobb tells Saito to get
>another seat for Adriadne and i'm like wtf?? How the fuck
>wasn't she gonna be on the damn plane if she's the
>architect??? How exactly are her structures transferred from
>her conscious/subconscious into another dreamer's mind? And
>how is it done that accurately?


blah blah blah I'm not reading all this because it's completely not important.

>
>3) Who's dream are they in during the 3rd level (snow
>fortress/hospital)? Cobb says to Eames "It's your dream"... so
>I'm thinking they are in Eame's dream the whole time. Is this
>the case?

yes.


>
>Also, when they're in the hotel (2nd level) Fischer encounters
>Browning and they enter the stepfather's dream (according to
>Fisher) even though it's Eames. Now, doesn't Fischer know that
>he's in a dream already? If this is the case, why does Fischer
>agree to go into browning's dream when he isn't even real?
>This part always confuses me as they seem to gloss over it
>really fast but it's not explained.

what? I don't know these motherfuckers names what the shit are you talking about?


>
>
>
>That's it for now (I think). Thanks in advance.


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