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"Poll question: Bigger impact on American culture, 'Star Wars' or 'Star Trek'?"
Wed Mar-30-05 04:56 PM by MALACHI

  

          

Poll result (70 votes)
Star Wars (44 votes)Vote
Star Trek (26 votes)Vote

  

  

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this is really tough
Mar 30th 2005
1
Explain your answers please...
Mar 30th 2005
2
Have you seen "Trekkies"???
Mar 30th 2005
3
thank you, Star Trek is just bogus
Mar 30th 2005
29
      Star Trek is far from bogus
May 10th 2005
154
I think Star Trek actually influences the way technology LOOKS
Mar 30th 2005
4
exactly.
Mar 30th 2005
18
Enterprise
Mar 31st 2005
92
      yes, that's where roddenberry got the name from.
Mar 31st 2005
95
           RE: yes, that's where roddenberry got the name from.
Mar 31st 2005
118
                heres your proof
May 10th 2005
155
                     Dang...can you say "sonned"....
May 10th 2005
156
                          I'm not sure to be impressed or scared
May 10th 2005
157
Star Wars
Mar 30th 2005
5
well, Star Wars has led to a whole generation of moronic male film-goers
Mar 30th 2005
6
Would Star Wars even exist if it wasn't for Star Trek?
Mar 30th 2005
9
      good point
Mar 30th 2005
11
      of course it would
Mar 30th 2005
19
      QED!
Mar 30th 2005
62
      RE: Would Star Wars even exist if it wasn't for Star Trek?
Mar 31st 2005
93
Gimme a break. Star Wars.
Mar 30th 2005
7
Star Wars changed the way movies were made
Mar 30th 2005
8
RE: Star Wars changed the way movies were made
Mar 30th 2005
12
      Studios going for nothing but across-the-board blockbusters
Mar 30th 2005
32
           I'd actually give Jaws that title
Mar 30th 2005
70
                it was definitely Jaws
Mar 30th 2005
71
                     RE: it was definitely Jaws
May 10th 2005
158
I LOVE Star Wars movies, and I've only seen the first 3
Mar 30th 2005
10
this settles it.
Mar 30th 2005
13
noice, well played
Mar 30th 2005
30
carrying this to absurd extremes:
Mar 30th 2005
31
Shouldn't it be Leia vs. Uhuru?
Mar 30th 2005
41
      Chekov vs Chewy
Mar 30th 2005
43
           borg DEMOLISHES the stormtroopers
Mar 30th 2005
45
                I can only speak on the TV series
Mar 30th 2005
46
                     no need to feel nerdy if you don't know what the Borg is
Mar 30th 2005
49
                     q would destroy darth
Mar 30th 2005
68
                          Q couldn't even handle Picard
Mar 31st 2005
99
                               Was that his goal though?
May 10th 2005
150
that's BULLSHIT because star wars is coming out in 2 months
Mar 30th 2005
61
this thing is awesome...
Mar 31st 2005
125
Star Trek
Mar 30th 2005
14
LEARNING KLINGON?!?!?!? You MUST be kidding.
Mar 30th 2005
17
no joke
Mar 30th 2005
20
These points ALONE might make me go with Trek
Mar 30th 2005
22
      but it's not widespread in American culture
Mar 30th 2005
24
yeah I thought this was widely known
Mar 30th 2005
21
      I never heard that until just now...
Mar 30th 2005
23
actually, jedi *is* a religion
May 10th 2005
161
not even close. Star Wars.
Mar 30th 2005
15
but the poll is about American Culture
Mar 30th 2005
16
      RE: but the poll is about American Culture
Mar 30th 2005
53
Star Wars, by far
Mar 30th 2005
25
I repeat, the first space shuttle was named ENTERPRISE!
Mar 30th 2005
26
      no, the first space shuttle was named COLUMBIA
Mar 30th 2005
35
           LMAO!!
Mar 30th 2005
36
           don't forget the "Star Wars" defense system
Mar 30th 2005
37
           HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mar 30th 2005
38
           but people call things "Borg-like" all the time
Mar 30th 2005
40
                no, i've never heard "borg-like" in my life....
Mar 30th 2005
65
           this is a joke right?
Mar 30th 2005
42
           there's much more emphasis on "good vs evil" in Star Wars
Mar 30th 2005
44
           exactly
Mar 30th 2005
48
           not at all
Mar 30th 2005
47
                !!
Mar 30th 2005
63
                     LOTR was ATER Star Wars ;)
Mar 30th 2005
66
                     The books though, the books..
May 10th 2005
151
                     you're reading way too much into this
Mar 31st 2005
74
                          I don't see what your point is then
Mar 31st 2005
86
                               the point is he made a single narrative that everyone can identify with
Mar 31st 2005
96
                                    thanks for that link, it was a good read
Mar 31st 2005
103
                                    LOTR/CON never had that type of range
Mar 31st 2005
106
                                    yeah, I thought that article was really interesting
Mar 31st 2005
109
                                    That's a very interesting piece, man.
Mar 31st 2005
112
           the fliptop phone thing is real man. amonsgst others
Mar 30th 2005
51
                man fuck a flip top phone
Mar 30th 2005
52
                that's just the name for it though.
Mar 30th 2005
54
                spock ears
Mar 30th 2005
56
                     halloween, 6th grade. you happy now damn lmao
Mar 30th 2005
57
                          I'll never join you! (c)Luke
Mar 30th 2005
58
                Reagan was a dumbass, though. Star Wars are westerns,
Apr 07th 2005
144
                fuck outta here
Mar 30th 2005
72
                That is highly illogical.
Mar 31st 2005
91
                     so the flip-top feature is some sort of technological breakthrough?
Mar 31st 2005
97
                          post #4, reading is fundamental.
Mar 31st 2005
100
                               post #35, LeVar
Mar 31st 2005
102
                                    whether it flew or not is besides the point, chewbacca
Mar 31st 2005
104
                                         not what I was referring to here, Bones
Mar 31st 2005
110
                TNG had the first PDAs
Mar 31st 2005
77
                     sliding automatic doors, and voice activated computers!
Apr 04th 2005
130
It's not even a contest. Star Wars. Period.
Mar 30th 2005
27
Trek pretty much only influenced Trekkies
Mar 30th 2005
28
Trekkies like Mae Jemison?
Mar 30th 2005
33
      why do I picture you typing this with Spock ears
Mar 30th 2005
34
           ROFL!
Mar 30th 2005
39
           LMAO naw player
Mar 30th 2005
50
Oh and btw JAWS changed the way studios made movies.
Mar 30th 2005
55
No.
Mar 31st 2005
94
Star Trek and Physics
Mar 30th 2005
59
shut the fuck up Donnie, you're out of your element
Mar 31st 2005
75
      TFOOH with all that haterade
Mar 31st 2005
82
           so how did Star Trek have an impact on physics?
Mar 31st 2005
84
                here's a poll:
Mar 31st 2005
89
                     yeah but then again, Star Wars really isn't
Mar 31st 2005
90
                     that's the UK, not the US
Mar 31st 2005
98
                          and the engineers i know are star trek fans
Mar 31st 2005
108
                               then the ones you know are a bunch of dweebs
Mar 31st 2005
111
                                    wasn't illogical at all.
Mar 31st 2005
113
                                         it was very illogical
Mar 31st 2005
115
OBVIOUSLY y'all are illiterate
Mar 30th 2005
60
Star Trek is the very REASON syndication is big bucks.
Mar 30th 2005
64
RE: Star Trek is the very REASON syndication is big bucks.
Mar 31st 2005
76
WAIT! You have to compare the Star Trek MOVIES...
Mar 30th 2005
67
um, no. star trek as a phenomenon vs. star wars as a phenomenon.
Mar 30th 2005
69
      that on dvd or some shit? never saw it.
Apr 04th 2005
132
do kids want to play with phasers or lightsabers?
Mar 31st 2005
73
lol @ kids wanting to play with either one.
Mar 31st 2005
78
      kids don't want to play with lightsabers?
Mar 31st 2005
79
      dog, you're not a kid anymore
Mar 31st 2005
81
           dude, you've got Kermit the frog in your avi
Mar 31st 2005
83
                lol
Apr 04th 2005
133
      SOLUTION:
Mar 31st 2005
85
           never, not once in my life.
Mar 31st 2005
88
                LIAR!
Mar 31st 2005
101
                     black movies are an outpost of american culture.
Mar 31st 2005
105
                          will you settle for a black character?
Mar 31st 2005
107
                          a remote outpost
Mar 31st 2005
114
                          beatles songs are covered by black singers.
Mar 31st 2005
116
                               this is about overall cultural influence
Mar 31st 2005
117
                               RE: this is about overall cultural influence
Mar 31st 2005
119
                                    RE: this is about overall cultural influence
Mar 31st 2005
124
                                         RE: this is about overall cultural influence
Apr 01st 2005
126
                               speaking of black musicians
Mar 31st 2005
120
                                    you really wanna get into this?
Mar 31st 2005
121
                                         haha, no
Mar 31st 2005
122
                          I STRIKE THE EMPIRE BACK! (c) Mos Def
Mar 31st 2005
123
                               shit boy, you went off.
Apr 04th 2005
134
only star trek geeks care about star trek
Mar 31st 2005
80
This thread is great
Mar 31st 2005
87
Can a brother get an archive???
Apr 04th 2005
127
know your audience.................
Apr 07th 2005
142
fuck gay ass star trek
Apr 04th 2005
128
RE: Bigger impact on American culture, 'Star Wars' or 'Star Trek'?
Apr 04th 2005
129
just sittin on the fence huh?
Apr 04th 2005
135
another point is that Star Trek is on ALL THE TIME
Apr 04th 2005
131
yeah, i brought up this point too...
Apr 04th 2005
136
*laughs at all you nerds*
Apr 04th 2005
137
Yeah, like all those foreign indie yawners that you love are so hip.
May 11th 2005
162
Star Trek is for fucking dorks.
Apr 05th 2005
138
at least Star Trek isn't basically just for kiddies
Apr 05th 2005
139
      And Star Wars IS???
Apr 06th 2005
140
           yes, yes it is
Apr 06th 2005
141
i really can't decide
Apr 07th 2005
143
I must admit, the answer is OBVIOUSLY
May 09th 2005
145
Gene Roddenberry >> Joseph Campbell (Lucas's handler)
May 09th 2005
147
Joseph Campbell--I just did a search on him because
May 09th 2005
148
that makes no sense
May 09th 2005
149
Trek wasn't all about villains though.
May 10th 2005
152
RE: I must admit, the answer is OBVIOUSLY
May 10th 2005
159
      I mean, apart from Vader and the Emperor, does
May 10th 2005
160
How much STAR WARS hateration is THIS:
May 09th 2005
146
This thread denies Gene Rodenberry his dues
May 10th 2005
153
How are we defining 'American culture?'
May 11th 2005
163
you're absolutely right
May 17th 2005
166
cell phones = star trek
May 13th 2005
164
The first cell phones were came out in th late 1940's,
May 17th 2005
165

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1. "this is really tough"
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star trex is very big also

but i want to say star wars and i dont know why so i am not voting

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2. "Explain your answers please..."
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PEACE

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3. "Have you seen "Trekkies"???"
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or the fucking sequel?!?

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29. "thank you, Star Trek is just bogus"
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154. "Star Trek is far from bogus"
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4. "I think Star Trek actually influences the way technology LOOKS"
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As well as the applications that scientists try to create.

The first, best, and most obvious example is fliptop phones. Fliptop phones are based on communicators from the original series. In terms of space travel, many many books have been written on how to make warp travel possible. A lot of holographic imagery and theory is based on people trying to replicate transporters.

The first space shuttle was named ENTERPRISE for goodness' sake. It's not even a question. Star Trek.

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18. "exactly."
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I own a flip phone. I don't own a light saber. Case closed.

  

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92. "Enterprise"
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also a long and storied legacy of ACTUAL ships in the navy.

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95. "yes, that's where roddenberry got the name from."
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but the space shuttle enterprise was named enterprise SPECIFICALLY because of star trek. there's no way you can refute that.

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118. "RE: yes, that's where roddenberry got the name from."
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155. "heres your proof"
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http://www.nasa.gov/lb/vision/earth/everydaylife/nasm_enterprise.html

excerpt:

Enterprise is most definitely a unique machine, right down to the origin of its name. It was originally to be named Constitution, but viewers of the popular TV show "Star Trek" started a write-in campaign urging the White House to select the name Enterprise. It worked, and the crew of the hit show got a first hand look at the orbiter in California

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156. "Dang...can you say "sonned"...."
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157. "I'm not sure to be impressed or scared"
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But, that was an official sonning, either way.

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5. "Star Wars"
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It created the summer sci-fi/action blockbuster and added Jedi and the Force to the lexicon.Not to mention the impact of Darth Vader and the unleashing of Harrison Ford.
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6. "well, Star Wars has led to a whole generation of moronic male film-goers"
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juuuus kidding

both are massive franchises with popular videogames (and books and TV series)

the original star trek must have paved the way for a lot of sci-fi

possibly more people say "use the force" than "live long and prosper"... but then everyone knows the infinitive splitting "to boldly go" phrase. but do those things really matter?

I don't know... I like Star Trek better though... it's a little ridiculous how much money Lucas is spinning out of his original trilogy

  

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9. "Would Star Wars even exist if it wasn't for Star Trek?"
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>the original star trek must have paved the way for a lot of
>sci-fi

And by the way, as far as comparing "catch phrases" from the two properties, what has endured longer than "beam me up, Scotty"?

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11. "good point"
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19. "of course it would"
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they're really nothing alike at all.

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62. "QED!"
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93. "RE: Would Star Wars even exist if it wasn't for Star Trek?"
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Probably. One thing is sure, the Star Trek motion picture series would never have occured without Star Wars.

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7. "Gimme a break. Star Wars."
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Star Wars was a huge part of a complete restructuring of the way studio films are made.

These two properties both have rabid subcultures, but Star Wars has clearly had a greater impact on the larger culture.

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8. "Star Wars changed the way movies were made"
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Probably for the worse. Star Trek had a more powerful impact on people, but it is a select few. Most people probably don't even know a Star Trek freak, but there's a good chance you ARE a Star Wars freak. And I am sure they could make a Trekkies type movie about Star Wars that could give Trekkies a run for its money.

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12. "RE: Star Wars changed the way movies were made"
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>Probably for the worse.

How is this the case?

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32. "Studios going for nothing but across-the-board blockbusters"
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Basically, giving the majority of consumers what they want.

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70. "I'd actually give Jaws that title"
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but they came out not too far apart from each other.

  

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71. "it was definitely Jaws"
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158. "RE: it was definitely Jaws"
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Jaws was one of the first "blockbusters" but Star Wars took it to a whole other level. It was the first movie where the flim and the marketting were completely interchangeable. After the Star Wars toy series, the product tie-ins, the bedspreads, movies were viewed in a whole new capacity: you could make as much if not more more marketting the film as you could with the film itself.

  

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10. "I LOVE Star Wars movies, and I've only seen the first 3"
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Star Trek movies, and the only one I liked was "The Wrath of Khan". I couldn't even name all the different Star Trek tv shows and movies there have been. As a kid I loved to watch Star Trek re-runs, but I can't hardly stand to watch Star Trek now.

I can still watch Star Wars like I've never seen them before...so I'm firmly in the Star Wars camp, but it seems like the people who are "into" Star Trek are WAAAAY more intense than the people who are "into" Star Wars.

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13. "this settles it."
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http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=star-trek&word2=star-wars

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30. "noice, well played"
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31. "carrying this to absurd extremes:"
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princess leia vs. mr. spock -- edge, mr. spock
luke skywalker vs. captain kirk -- edge, captain kirk
millenium falcon vs. starship enterprise -- edge, starship enterprise
"the force be with you" vs. "live long and prosper" -- edge, "the force be with you"
"long, long ago, in a galaxy far, far away" vs. "to boldly go where no man has gone before" -- edge, "to boldly go..."
han solo vs. lt. uhura -- edge, han solo

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41. "Shouldn't it be Leia vs. Uhuru?"
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And Han vs. Kirk? (Kirk and Luke are the main protagonists, but Han & Kirk are much more similar)

And Spock vs. R2D2?

Oh, and the Millenium Falcon kicks the Starship Enterprise's ass any day of the week - it made the Kessel run in less than 12 parsecs!

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43. "Chekov vs Chewy"
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45. "borg DEMOLISHES the stormtroopers"
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5:1

  

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46. "I can only speak on the TV series"
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I have no idea who/what the fuck Borg is

and the Stormtroopers were just guys in armor.

but I refuse to believe anyone in Star Trek could ever fuck with Darth Vader

that and I'm feeling really nerdy right about now.

  

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49. "no need to feel nerdy if you don't know what the Borg is"
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68. "q would destroy darth"
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99. "Q couldn't even handle Picard"
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150. "Was that his goal though?"
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61. "that's BULLSHIT because star wars is coming out in 2 months"
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of course it's going to be popular on search engines right now

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125. "this thing is awesome..."
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http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=jay-z&word2=nas

  

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14. "Star Trek"
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I think Star Trek's impact is more "real" though. It seems like a lot of modern theories and technology can be traced back to Star Trek in some form or fashion. I think that's where the Trek edges out Star Wars....

With Star Wars, you have this whole language and culture that's sort of made its way into mainstream culture. But for every "use the force" there's a "beam me up Scotty" so I'd say as far as pop culture is concerned, they're about even (Although Star Wars is a lot 'hotter' right now so it might have a leg up at the moment)

Both of them also have incredibly rabid fanbases. I realize that people spend hours crafting homemade storm trooper costumes and there are even those who view the Jedi Code as a religion...but come on...these guys are just amateurs compared to Trekkies. The time they save on costume design they dedicate to learning Klingon and shit. No contest.

As far as impact on modern film, I might have to give it to Star Wars as well. But honestly, I've only seen 2 Star Trek movies so I'm not in the most informed position here.

But...there's so much MORE Star Trek out there than Star Wars. TV shows, books, movies, god knows what else- When someone references Star Wars, it's obvious...even to the casual moviegoer. But Star Trek has such a deep and rich history that you have to be hardcore to catch all the nods and references. For this reason it's still a lot more acceptable to be a Star Wars geek than a Star Trek geek.


So in short: I am not, nor have I ever been, a Trekkie... but I still voted for Captain Kirk and the gang.

  

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17. "LEARNING KLINGON?!?!?!? You MUST be kidding."
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Is there a Klingon alphabet somewhere? A Klingon dictionary?

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20. "no joke"
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>Is there a Klingon alphabet somewhere? A Klingon
>dictionary?

Yes and yes.

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22. "These points ALONE might make me go with Trek"
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since I haven't voted yet...

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24. "but it's not widespread in American culture"
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it's just an uber-geek niche.

And in case you were wondering what the Klingon alphabet looks like:

http://www.omniglot.com/writing/klingon.htm

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21. "yeah I thought this was widely known"
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Not the 'language' itself but the fact that Trekkies learn/speak it. Shit gets deep my friend. Shit gets deep.

  

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23. "I never heard that until just now..."
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161. "actually, jedi *is* a religion"
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In the UK, you can register yourself as a Jedi under the census. CAn't register yourself as a klingon.

  

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15. "not even close. Star Wars."
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the Star Wars franchise has impacted the global consciousness on a level that Trek just hasn't.

  

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16. "but the poll is about American Culture"
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Or does that have no influence on your answer?

  

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53. "RE: but the poll is about American Culture"
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doesn't change my answer at all.

  

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25. "Star Wars, by far"
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Star Wars is our modern American mythos. Star Trek doesn't even come close.

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26. "I repeat, the first space shuttle was named ENTERPRISE!"
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Star Wars might have had a deep impact on the entertainment industry, but Star Trek altered the direction of science and technology themselves! Star Trek geeks modeled the fliptop phone, most likely the laptop, and the flat TV screen off of Star Trek stuff! Medical technology works towards creating tricorders.

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35. "no, the first space shuttle was named COLUMBIA"
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Enterprise was a test vehicle, it never flew in space.

And Star Wars not only had a massive impact on the entertainment industry, but it had a massive impace on American culture: Star Wars is our modern mythos, so much so that it embodies our conceptions of good and evil. Reagan called the Soviet Union the Evil Empire, not the Klingons.

>Star Wars might have had a deep impact on the entertainment
>industry, but Star Trek altered the direction of science and
>technology themselves! Star Trek geeks modeled the fliptop
>phone, most likely the laptop, and the flat TV screen off of
>Star Trek stuff! Medical technology works towards creating
>tricorders.

Now you're really reaching. Like they wouldn't have come up with a fliptop phone without Star Trek. And I don't remember any laptops on the Starship Enterprise.

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36. "LMAO!!"
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>Reagan
>called the Soviet Union the Evil Empire, not the Klingons.

  

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37. "don't forget the "Star Wars" defense system"
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>And Star Wars not only had a massive impact on the
>entertainment industry, but it had a massive impace on
>American culture: Star Wars is our modern mythos, so much so
>that it embodies our conceptions of good and evil. Reagan
>called the Soviet Union the Evil Empire, not the Klingons.
>>tricorders.

  

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38. "HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
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>Reagan
>called the Soviet Union the Evil Empire, not the Klingons.

ROFL

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40. "but people call things "Borg-like" all the time"
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there's so many different ways to measure this

1. catchphrases... ST wins because SW only really has one I think.
2. characters... Solo/Chewbacca/Skywalker/Leia/Vader/R2/CP30/Storm Troopers vs Kirk/Spock/Scottie/Picard/Data/Borg/Klingon hmm tricky

^ but do they really matter? aren't they a bit "so what"

3. impact on the entertainment industry... everyone's saying SW's wins
4. impact on the artform... ST is big for Sci Fi

^ those ones are quite important

5. impact on the real world.... ideas about technology and stuff

^ the most important, perhaps?

6. gross income
7. fanbase

^ would be an interesting comparison

  

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65. "no, i've never heard "borg-like" in my life...."
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there's so many different ways to measure this
1. catchphrases... ST wins because SW only really has one I think.--Once again, no, I only know of "beam me up scotty", but I wouldn't even have known about that if it werne't for this post
2. characters... Solo/Chewbacca/Skywalker/Leia/Vader/R2/CP30/Storm Troopers vs Kirk/Spock/Scottie/Picard/Data/Borg/Klingon hmm tricky---once again never really heard of any of those guys except Spock and Kirk


4. impact on the artform... ST is big for Sci Fi
^ those ones are quite important----this is still debatable

6. gross income----Star Wars Wins
7. fanbase-Trekkies are way way way way weirder, but I don't know if that's good or bad.

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42. "this is a joke right?"
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>Star Wars is our modern mythos, so much so
>that it embodies our conceptions of good and evil.

Lucas was riffing off archetypes that had existed for a long, loooong time. It didn't really bring anything new to the mythology table at all. It might embody our conceptions of good and evil but it didn't exactly influence them.

It's like looking in a mirror versus looking into the crystal ball. Star Trek was ahead of its time, Star Wars was just a great reflection of its time.

  

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44. "there's much more emphasis on "good vs evil" in Star Wars"
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there's no denying that.

the Klingons were more of a pain in the ass than an actual threat to humanity

  

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48. "exactly"
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>the Klingons were more of a pain in the ass than an actual
>threat to humanity

Yeah. Remember the Simpsons riffing on the Star Trek movies?

Sulu: Captain, Klingons off the starboard bow.

Kirk: (covering his face in annoyance) Again with the Klingons...


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47. "not at all"
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>Lucas was riffing off archetypes that had existed for a long,
>loooong time. It didn't really bring anything new to the
>mythology table at all. It might embody our conceptions of
>good and evil but it didn't exactly influence them.

Yeah, but Lucas reinterpreted the archetypes and made them accessible to our modern society. The average Joe isn't reading Beowulf, Le Morte d'Arthur or the Prose Edda, but he's seen Star Wars and can readily identify with the archetypal themes as interpreted through that medium.

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63. "!!"
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come ON. what are you saying here? that Lucas gave modern society the concepts of good and evil? that he was the first for centuries to make a story out of it?

allies vs. nazis
cops vs. mafia
capitalists vs commies
lord of the rings
narnia
dune
dr who

Lucas just put together standard archetypes from contemporary popular culture

check this website
http://www.jitterbug.com/origins/myth.html

what's good about it is he made memorable characters

  

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66. "LOTR was ATER Star Wars ;)"
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151. "The books though, the books.."
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I mean, where do you think things like Dungeons and Dragons, Zelda, and just about any other movie/book/game with elves and dwarves and wizards came from?

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74. "you're reading way too much into this"
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>come ON. what are you saying here? that Lucas gave modern
>society the concepts of good and evil? that he was the first
>for centuries to make a story out of it?

No, I said he reinterpreted the mythical archetypes and made them accessible to our modern society.

>allies vs. nazis
>cops vs. mafia
>capitalists vs commies

Those are real life, not myth.

>lord of the rings
>narnia
>dune
>dr who

Those don't have nearly the impact on American culture as Star Wars.

>Lucas just put together standard archetypes from contemporary
>popular culture

Exactly, that's why it resonates so much in our culture.

>check this website
>http://www.jitterbug.com/origins/myth.html

Yeah, I read The Hero With a Thousand Faces; that actually supports my argument.

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86. "I don't see what your point is then"
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(and those things DID have an impact on american culture, and lots of films were made out of the real life ones)

you're saying Lucas reinterpreted old archetypes and made them accessable to modern audiences? well yes but those archetypes are EVERYWHERE and people were reinterpreting them ALL THE TIME and they didn't NEED to be made accessable. you could write star wars with no education about mythology

I don't see how you can give Lucas credit for writing a story about good vs evil. It's the same damn story as countless books and films. That's what the Jung/Heroes things says, that the same underlying story is used everywhere (not just in old myths)

Star TREK on the other hand, since it presents a utopian vision of humanity, maybe it has shaped what we imagine will come in the future. Aside from impact, Star Trek is much more concerned with morality... virtually every episode is a new moral dilemma for the crew, whereas SW is just "yeah kill the Empire whatever"

  

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96. "the point is he made a single narrative that everyone can identify with"
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>(and those things DID have an impact on american culture, and
>lots of films were made out of the real life ones)

Yeah everyone knows the Nazis were bad and the Allies were good, but there's no singular hero figure/story that Americans identify with like they do with Star Wars.

>you're saying Lucas reinterpreted old archetypes and made them
>accessable to modern audiences? well yes but those archetypes
>are EVERYWHERE and people were reinterpreting them ALL THE
>TIME and they didn't NEED to be made accessable.

Then why did Star Wars resonate so much more deeply with people than all that other stuff?

>you could
>write star wars with no education about mythology

You could, but it wouldn't have become the cultural phenomenon that it is.

>I don't see how you can give Lucas credit for writing a story
>about good vs evil. It's the same damn story as countless
>books and films. That's what the Jung/Heroes things says, that
>the same underlying story is used everywhere (not just in old
>myths)

It's not just good vs. evil, it's the hero's journey. And it's not the same as countless books and films, Lucas structured it specifically with this in mind.

>Star TREK on the other hand, since it presents a utopian
>vision of humanity, maybe it has shaped what we imagine will
>come in the future. Aside from impact, Star Trek is much more
>concerned with morality... virtually every episode is a new
>moral dilemma for the crew, whereas SW is just "yeah kill the
>Empire whatever"

That's a good point. But we're talking about America - we're very much "yeah kill the Empire whatever" kind of people.

But you'll probably enjoy this essay by sci-fi author David Brin on this topic:

http://www.salon.com/ent/movies/feature/1999/06/15/brin_main/

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103. "thanks for that link, it was a good read"
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>>(and those things DID have an impact on american culture,
>and
>>lots of films were made out of the real life ones)
>
>Yeah everyone knows the Nazis were bad and the Allies were
>good, but there's no singular hero figure/story that Americans
>identify with like they do with Star Wars.
>
>>you're saying Lucas reinterpreted old archetypes and made
>them
>>accessable to modern audiences? well yes but those
>archetypes
>>are EVERYWHERE and people were reinterpreting them ALL THE
>>TIME and they didn't NEED to be made accessable.
>
>Then why did Star Wars resonate so much more deeply with
>people than all that other stuff?
>

what exactly do you mean "identify with" and "resonance?" do you just mean how popular the franchise is, how many tickets it sold?

there's different ways to look at it... the Lord of the Rings and Chronicles of Narnia were written ages ago but people still read them, children still read them. Will Star Wars have that longevity? especially after the debacle of the new films


>
>>I don't see how you can give Lucas credit for writing a
>story
>>about good vs evil. It's the same damn story as countless
>>books and films. That's what the Jung/Heroes things says,
>that
>>the same underlying story is used everywhere (not just in
>old
>>myths)
>
>It's not just good vs. evil, it's the hero's journey. And it's
>not the same as countless books and films, Lucas structured it
>specifically with this in mind.
>

hmm perhaps

>But you'll probably enjoy this essay by sci-fi author David
>Brin on this topic:
>
>http://www.salon.com/ent/movies/feature/1999/06/15/brin_main/
>

interesting
possibly he gives Lucas too much credit (I mean, how far does he really think this morality thing through?)
and also, a major thing he didn't mention was that demigod/elite stories often just an excuse for one really tough guy vs another.

Obiwan is really tough, Vader kills him, Luke gets even tougher, kills Vader, Emperor is toughest of all... but Vader comes back to keep things interesting and they defeat him together

Harkonen aren't as tough as Atriedes aren't as tough as Sarduaker aren't as tough as Fremen aren't as tough their leader Maud'dib. Maud'dib isn't as tough as Leto his son

same reason we watch the world cup

  

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106. "LOTR/CON never had that type of range"
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sure they have and always will have followings, but that's by people who read. ask 20 random people on the street about Lord of the Rings and 17 of them will refer the movies.

Star Wars had a much broader scope. academics, construction workers, waitresses, doctors, and (especially) young children, all went to see Star Wars in 1977.

  

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109. "yeah, I thought that article was really interesting"
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even though I think he stretches the argument too far I thought it was a good read. He wrote a similar one about LOTR too if you want to look it up (it's in the Salon.com archives)

>what exactly do you mean "identify with" and "resonance?" do
>you just mean how popular the franchise is, how many tickets
>it sold?

No, I mean how much people really take Star Wars to heart. I don't know if you get it in the UK, but there's this sitcom called That 70's Show that's a good example, it's about a teenage kid and his friends growing up in middle america in the 70's, and the kid Eric is obsessed with Star Wars, whenever he faces a dilemma he'll ask himself "Hmm, what would Luke Skywalker do in this situation?", or when his father sends him to run an errand he'll go "this is like when Uncle Owen sent Luke to Toshii station to pick up some power converters".

And the thing is he's not some anti-social freak, he's just an average, everyday kid, in fact he's the everyman character on the show. It's really a pretty fair depiction of the average American kid, and the resonance Star Wars had with them, athough comedically exaggerated somewhat.

>there's different ways to look at it... the Lord of the Rings
>and Chronicles of Narnia were written ages ago but people
>still read them, children still read them. Will Star Wars have
>that longevity? especially after the debacle of the new films

I think it will. I was surprised when Phantom Menace came out by how much kids were getting into the whole saga, and not just the Jar-Jar kiddie nonsense Lucas threw in. I was in the theater watching it and this 7-8 year old kid was sitting in front of me, and he was all excited going on to his father about Anakin - not because he won the pod race or blew up the trade federation starship, but because he was gonna turn into Darth Vader.

Just this weekend I was in a bookstore near all the Star Wars stuff and heard a 10-11 year old kid telling his mother how excited he was about Revenge of the Sith because Anakin finally turns into Darth Vader. They're little kids, but they're excited about it for the exact same reason our generation is.

As for LOTR and Chronicles of Narnia, people still read them, but in America they are not and never were anywhere near as popular or influential as Star Wars. Maybe in Britain, but no way in the States.

>interesting
>possibly he gives Lucas too much credit (I mean, how far does
>he really think this morality thing through?)

Well he does actually have a fair point with Lucas here: in an interview Lucas once said that the ideal form of government would be a benign dictator cuz he could get things done. And in AOTC Anakin echoes this sentiment when he's talking to Padme about the problems with the Galactic Senate. I think Brin takes the morality thing a little too far as well, but he does have a point.

>and also, a major thing he didn't mention was that
>demigod/elite stories often just an excuse for one really
>tough guy vs another.

Yeah, that is basically the format for most superhero comic books.

>Harkonen aren't as tough as Atriedes aren't as tough as
>Sarduaker aren't as tough as Fremen aren't as tough their
>leader Maud'dib. Maud'dib isn't as tough as Leto his son

Hmmm, I think the demigod/elite thing in Dune is more for the messianic aspect of the story, but yeah "God made Arrakis to train the faithful" plays into the one tough guy vs. another thing as well.

>same reason we watch the world cup

so soccer really is just an excuse for hooliganism - I knew all that "beauty of the game" stuff was a load of crap! (j/k)

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112. "That's a very interesting piece, man."
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There's a lot to tease out about it, and a lot more conclusions you could draw based on his theses, but at the heart, at least dude articulated why Star Trek is better than Star Wars.

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51. "the fliptop phone thing is real man. amonsgst others"
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http://economist.com/science/tq/displayStory.cfm?story_id=3171407

Communications: Taking its cue from “Star Trek”, an American company has devised a clever new form of voice-driven wireless communicator

SCIENCE fiction has often been the source of inspiration for new technologies. The exo-skeletons and head-mounted displays featured in the film “Aliens”, for example, spawned a number of military-funded projects to try to create similar technologies. Automatic sliding doors might never have become popular had they not appeared on the television series “Star Trek”. And the popularity of flip-top or “clamshell” mobile phones may stem from the desire to look like Captain Kirk flipping open his communicator on the same programme.

Now it seems that “Star Trek” has done it again. This month, American soldiers in Iraq will begin trials of a device inspired by the “comm badge” featured in “Star Trek: The Next Generation”. Like crew members of the starship Enterprise, soldiers will be able to talk to other members of their unit just by tapping and then speaking into a small badge worn on the chest. What sets the comm badge apart from a mere walkie-talkie, and appeals to “Star Trek” fans, is the system's apparent intelligence. It works out who you are calling from spoken commands, and connects you instantly.

The system, developed by Vocera Communications of Cupertino, California, uses a combination of Wi-Fi wireless networking and voice-over-internet protocol (VoIP) technologies to link up the badges via a central server, akin to a switchboard. The badges are already being used in 80 large institutions, most of them hospitals, to replace overhead paging systems, says Brent Lang, Vocera's vice-president.

Like its science-fiction counterpart, the badge is designed so that all functions can be carried out by pressing a single button. On pressing it, the caller gives a command and specifies the name of a person or group of people, such as “call Dr Smith” or “locate the nearest anaesthesiologist”. Voice-recognition software interprets the commands and locates the appropriate person or group, based on whichever Wi-Fi base-station they are closest to. The person receiving the call then hears an audible alert stating the name of the caller and, if he or she wishes to take the call, responds by tapping the badge and starting to speak.

That highlights a key difference between the “Star Trek” comm badge and the real-life version: Vocera's implementation allows people to reject incoming calls, rather than having the voice of the caller patched through automatically. But even the most purist fans can forgive Vocera for deviating from the script in this way, says David Batchelor, an astrophysicist and “Star Trek” enthusiast at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Centre in Greenbelt, Maryland. For there are, he notes, some curious aspects to the behaviour of the comm badges in “Star Trek”. In particular, the fictional badge seems to be able to predict the future. When the captain of the Enterprise says “Picard to sick-bay: Medical emergency on the bridge,” for example, his badge somehow connects him to the sick-bay before he has stated the destination of the call.

Allowing badge users to reject incoming calls if they are busy, rather than being connected instantly, was a feature added at the request of customers, says Mr Lang. But in almost all other respects the badges work just like their fictional counterparts. This is not very surprising, says Lawrence Krauss, an astrophysicist at Case Western Reserve University in Cleveland, Ohio, and the author of “The Physics of Star Trek”. In science fiction, and particularly in “Star Trek”, most problems have technological fixes. Sometimes, it seems, those fixes can be applied to real-world problems too.

Vocera's system is particularly well suited to hospitals, says Christine Tarver, a clinical manager at El Camino Hospital in Mountain View, California. It allows clinical staff to reach each other far more quickly than with beepers and overhead pagers. A recent study carried out at St Agnes Healthcare in Baltimore, Maryland, assessed the amount of time spent by clinical staff trying to get hold of each other, both before and after the installation of the Vocera system. It concluded that the badges would save the staff a total of 3,400 hours each year.

Nursing staff often end up playing phone tag with doctors, which wastes valuable time, says Ms Tarver. And although people using the badges sometimes look as though they are talking to themselves, she says, many doctors prefer it because it enables them to deal with queries more efficiently. The system can also forward calls to mobile phones; it can be individually trained to ensure that it understands users with strong accents; and it can even be configured with personalised ringtones.

In Iraq, soldiers will use the Vocera badges in conjunction with base-stations mounted on Humvee armoured vehicles. Beyond medical and military uses, Vocera hopes to sell the technology to retailers and hotels. And the firm's engineers are now extending the system to enable the badges to retrieve stored information, such as patient records or information about a particular drug, in response to spoken commands. Their inspiration? Yet another “Star Trek” technology: the talking ship's computer.

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52. "man fuck a flip top phone"
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Reagans "Star Wars Speech
March 23, 1983

In the following speech, President Ronald Reagan first announced his intentions to develop a new system to reduce the threat of nuclear attack and end the strategy of mutual deterrence.

The system he proposed became known as "Star Wars," after the popular movie, because it was meant to destroy missiles from space. The Soviets feared the system would increase the risk of the United States launching a first attack because U.S. officials would not fear retaliation

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54. "that's just the name for it though."
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the technology influenced by star trek is about bringing the gadgets from a television show into real life. one is cynical public relations, the other had a real impact on the type of technology that engineers pursued and how it looks and works today.

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56. "spock ears"
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I see you

  

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57. "halloween, 6th grade. you happy now damn lmao"
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now just admit i'm right. resistance is futile.

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58. "I'll never join you! (c)Luke"
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>now just admit i'm right. resistance is futile.

  

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144. "Reagan was a dumbass, though. Star Wars are westerns,"
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recapitulated. a projection of the most base aspects of white ppl's collective imagination into the future.

lucas gets props for packaging that mythology in a new way that completely captured the american imagination. but after that original stroke of genius in three parts, the long delay, the rest of it has shown that he really doesn't have anything left as a story teller.

that reagan would latch on to star wars shows how simpleminded it was. good, evil, and blowing shit up. in star trek they didn't always fight the klingons, and they had an egalitarian nature to their mission, and were guided by inclusion and a certain morality (the non-interference, although kirk had carte blanche to bang out any alien females he encountered).

we STILL wish that our boardrooms were as integrated as the command deck of the enterprise.

star wars was a HELL of an epic, but completely sucks as science fiction. the first two joints were visually visionary, though, in depicting technology as other than sterile and shiny. the tatooine shit was type gritty. and the thought of the lil' sand ninjas jacking folks for they old robots. that opened the game up.

it was tremendous in terms of style, but i think, short on substance. that does make it perfect for the US, though.

star trek was hugely influential in terms of race relations, also, in putting forth the view that in a few hundred years we'd put all the bullshit behind us.



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72. "fuck outta here"
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the flip-open thing isn't even technology, it's just a catchy feature.

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91. "That is highly illogical."
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97. "so the flip-top feature is some sort of technological breakthrough?"
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come on man.

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100. "post #4, reading is fundamental."
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102. "post #35, LeVar"
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104. "whether it flew or not is besides the point, chewbacca"
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the point is, they named the ship specifically after the ship on star trek.

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110. "not what I was referring to here, Bones"
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you were talking about flip-top phones, which I already addressed in post #35.

edit: and yeah, whether it flew or not is very much the point. Who the fuck cares about a ship that never actually flew in space?

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77. "TNG had the first PDAs"
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They had "Padds" on TNG that were pretty much what PDAs are today. A handheld device with a touchscreen. Another example of influencing real technology.


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130. "sliding automatic doors, and voice activated computers!"
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and I'm not sure if you have teleporters in North America yet, but they're pretty cool

  

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27. "It's not even a contest. Star Wars. Period."
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...Star Wars basically invented the modern day commercialism of a movie with it's toys, action figures, books, comics, trading cards, etc. It also refined the idea of a sequel.

...The only reason the first Star Trek movie was made was in an attempt to capitalize on the sci-fi mania that was created by Star Wars.


I love 'em both, but really now. Trek was on life support and Star Wars was the electric shock that started it's heart beating again.

  

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28. "Trek pretty much only influenced Trekkies"
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Star Wars had a much wider impact.

though Trekkies are definitely more hardcore

  

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33. "Trekkies like Mae Jemison?"
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The first Black female astronaut? Who said she never thought she could be an astronaut until she saw Lieutenant Uhura on "Star Trek"? You can't find me a single story like that with someone influenced by Star Wars.

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34. "why do I picture you typing this with Spock ears"
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in full uniform?

>The first Black female astronaut? Who said she never thought
>she could be an astronaut until she saw Lieutenant Uhura on
>"Star Trek"?

  

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39. "ROFL!"
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50. "LMAO naw player"
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i definitely loved star trek when i was younger, but i grew out of that shit. it's a little....strange.

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55. "Oh and btw JAWS changed the way studios made movies."
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Not "Star Wars." JAWS was the first big blockbuster, and it was the model upon which a movie like "Star Wars" could even get made. Let's not re-write history, folks.

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94. "No."
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Jaws was the first big summer blockbuster. But it didn't revolutionize anything. It was based on a massively best selling novel and timed its release with the summer beach season. It was seen (retrospectively) as uncommonly good marketing with an old-fashioned exciting picture.

Star Wars tore the industry apart. For better or worse.

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59. "Star Trek and Physics"
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biggest impact

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75. "shut the fuck up Donnie, you're out of your element"
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82. "TFOOH with all that haterade"
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84. "so how did Star Trek have an impact on physics?"
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and don't tell me teleportation or I'll have to photon torpedo your ass.

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89. "here's a poll:"
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http://www.concatenation.org/science/sfbuilds.html

Proportion of UK physics graduates turned onto their subject by...
Science fiction 26%
SF in general 10%
Star Trek 7%
Star Wars 3%
Arthur C Clarke 3%
Others 3%

The fact is, Star Trek influenced an entire generation of engineers and physicists. And that's way more impactful than Star Wars. Twice as impactful in the UK, for example.

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90. "yeah but then again, Star Wars really isn't"
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science fiction.

I mean there's spaceships and shit, but it's more of a fantasy story than a sf one.


I mean, the appeal of Star Wars, I think, is much much more broad than that of Star Trek. If this were a popularity contest, Star Wars would win hands down. Shit, I *prefer* Star Wars.

I think it's the word "impact" that we need to be focusing on though.

Which of these phenomenons have really affected our lives the most? It goes deeper than Google searches and merchandising.

  

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98. "that's the UK, not the US"
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and what percentage of the population are physicists? We're talking about American culture at large here.

And I'm in engineering, and most of the engineering/physics people I know are Star Wars geeks, not Trekkies.

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108. "and the engineers i know are star trek fans"
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are we just gonna trade unsupported anecdotal evidence now?

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111. "then the ones you know are a bunch of dweebs"
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>are we just gonna trade unsupported anecdotal evidence now?

Um, you posted a poll about physicists in the UK and presented it as evidence about physicists AND engineers in the US. Most illogical.

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113. "wasn't illogical at all."
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considering that i specifically said that poll was about the UK in my post.

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115. "it was very illogical"
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considering that this thread is specificaly about "Bigger impact on *American* culture"

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60. "OBVIOUSLY y'all are illiterate"
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it says what had the most influence on American Culture NOT
which one is the most popular.......

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64. "Star Trek is the very REASON syndication is big bucks."
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Especially first-run syndication. It was the FIRST shit to prove that a dead franchise could come back and make more money than before.

  

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76. "RE: Star Trek is the very REASON syndication is big bucks."
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TNG was the number 1 in syndicated while on the air. If Star Trek: TNG was a network show it would have been top 10 in the Nielsens.


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67. "WAIT! You have to compare the Star Trek MOVIES..."
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to the star wars movies, cuz star wars never had a show(lest Im really blind), so it's not fair less you compare movie to movie.

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69. "um, no. star trek as a phenomenon vs. star wars as a phenomenon."
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and star wars DID have a TV show, that cartoon about the ewoks.

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132. "that on dvd or some shit? never saw it."
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73. "do kids want to play with phasers or lightsabers?"
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case closed.

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78. "lol @ kids wanting to play with either one."
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let's be real dog.

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79. "kids don't want to play with lightsabers?"
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Yeah ok.

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81. "dog, you're not a kid anymore"
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playing w/lightsabers don't make you young

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83. "dude, you've got Kermit the frog in your avi"
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and you're talking to me about "you're not a kid anymore"

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133. "lol"
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85. "SOLUTION:"
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When holding a flashlight with the lights out, do you go "whooosh....whooosh....*lightsaber clashing noises*"?

I know you do, motherfucker. Don't even lie.

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88. "never, not once in my life."
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i never even saw "star wars" til they came out with the new trilogy. STILL haven't seen all 3 movies in their entirety.

on the other hand, i do remember the "enterprise room" in new jack city. you know, you go in there and it's like "beam me up, scotty."

name a SINGLE star wars reference in a classic black movie.

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101. "LIAR!"
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>i never even saw "star wars" til they came out with the new
>trilogy. STILL haven't seen all 3 movies in their entirety.

OK, so you're a commie. Next.

>on the other hand, i do remember the "enterprise room" in new
>jack city. you know, you go in there and it's like "beam me
>up, scotty."
>
>name a SINGLE star wars reference in a classic black movie.

LOL - so black movies are the yardstick for American culture? Someone should tell Spike.

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105. "black movies are an outpost of american culture."
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and if "star wars" had a broader impact than "star trek," i would expect a similarly obvious reference to it to have diffused into it. however, there isn't one.

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107. "will you settle for a black character?"
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like say, Chasing Amy? haha

  

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114. "a remote outpost"
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>and if "star wars" had a broader impact than "star trek," i
>would expect a similarly obvious reference to it to have
>diffused into it. however, there isn't one.

Um, that's retarded. I'm not aware of any Beatles references in black movies either, I guess they didn't have a broad impact on America either.

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116. "beatles songs are covered by black singers."
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if you wanna compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges.

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117. "this is about overall cultural influence"
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point being, black movies are a poor indicator for overall cultural influence in America.

>if you wanna compare apples to apples and oranges to
>oranges.

Not really. And I don't know of any black musicians who cover Beatles songs anyway.

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119. "RE: this is about overall cultural influence"
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>point being, black movies are a poor indicator for overall
>cultural influence in America.
no, the point is, "overall cultural influence" can be measured by the degree to which either one has filtered into or influenced other subcultures. star trek has, and the jury's out on whether star wars ever has.

>>if you wanna compare apples to apples and oranges to
>>oranges.
>
>Not really. And I don't know of any black musicians who cover
>Beatles songs anyway.
aretha franklin, boyz 2 men, en vogue, musiq soulchild, to name a few, tho this is a side point.

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124. "RE: this is about overall cultural influence"
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>no, the point is, "overall cultural influence" can be measured
>by the degree to which either one has filtered into or
>influenced other subcultures. star trek has, and the jury's
>out on whether star wars ever has.

Again, it's retarded to measure that just according to black movies. For movies as a whole, Star Wars is referenced way more than Star Trek.

>aretha franklin, boyz 2 men, en vogue, musiq soulchild, to
>name a few, tho this is a side point.

I did not know that.

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126. "RE: this is about overall cultural influence"
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>>no, the point is, "overall cultural influence" can be
>measured
>>by the degree to which either one has filtered into or
>>influenced other subcultures. star trek has, and the jury's
>>out on whether star wars ever has.
>
>Again, it's retarded to measure that just according to black
>movies. For movies as a whole, Star Wars is referenced way
>more than Star Trek.

i just was using it as a piece of the point, not as the entire measuring stick.

*shrugs*

looks like star wars has won the poll anyways

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120. "speaking of black musicians"
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121. "you really wanna get into this?"
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we got uncle luke skywalker...but we also got mad rappers who compared themselves to captain kirk.

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122. "haha, no"
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I'm staying out of this debate. It just reminded me of when I used to read new things on D'Angelo's site.

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123. "I STRIKE THE EMPIRE BACK! (c) Mos Def"
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"Fuck the Empire! High flyin' like the Millenium Falcon piloted by Han Solo!"



So, how about Hip-Hop then?


"Just Rhymin' With the Biz": I watch Star Wars just to see Yoda, or R2D2 driving down the BQ.

Dilated Peoples: ...watch the stormtroopers swarm, The Deathstar's more than the devlish dawn, it's where evil and the Force manifest their form.


'Chaos' from Soundbombing II: They just babies, I snatch 'em out their incubators, attach them to respirators, they breathing hard like Darth Vader.

Del : Blow you like the Death Star

Del: Party goers call me Yoda, I use my force with fortitude.

'B-Boy Document '99: I'm Jedi Master Mace Windu, what you been through?


Beastie Boys: Like gravy to pototoes, Luke to Darth Vader, I'm a souped up sucker and I'll see you all later.

Ice Cube, Friday: ...used to be about as hard as Darth Vader.

Biggie, Hypnotize: ...hit 'em with the Force like Obi

And of course, who can forget Luther Campbell, 2LiveCrew and Luke Skywalker?


Here's some movies:

Beverly Hills Cop II: "Are you driving with your eyes open, or are you using the Force?"


How To Be A Player: "Man, he like a pimp-daddy Yoda!"

Coming To America: James Earl Jones referencing Darth Vader when he says, "Leave him to me, I will deal with him myself!"

Black Knight: Martin Lawrence dubs himself "Skywalker"


And "Boondocks" constantly reference "Star Wars."

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134. "shit boy, you went off."
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80. "only star trek geeks care about star trek"
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and i'm sure star wars has a more global influence than star trek

  

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87. "This thread is great"
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One of the better polls i've seen.
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127. "Can a brother get an archive???"
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When I did this post last Wednesday, I had no idea it was gonna spark THIS kind of conversation...

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142. "know your audience................."
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128. "fuck gay ass star trek"
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129. "RE: Bigger impact on American culture, 'Star Wars' or 'Star Trek'?"
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This is a toughie.

There are as many trekkies as there are jedi-lovers.

I'd say both had the same impact.

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135. "just sittin on the fence huh?"
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131. "another point is that Star Trek is on ALL THE TIME"
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Star Wars has the 3 original films, which a lot of people have seen
but Star Trek is on TV ALL THE TIME (in the UK at least). The original, TNG, Voyager, Deep Space 9, there's so many episodes of them and you can catch repeats every single week (as well as the new Enterprise episodes)

I mean, that's something, that there's so many shows running for so long

I wonder if Star Wars did a series, if it could sustain as well
but as it stands its kind of an unfair comparison - three blockbusters vs. numerous tv episodes

  

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136. "yeah, i brought up this point too..."
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137. "*laughs at all you nerds*"
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162. "Yeah, like all those foreign indie yawners that you love are so hip."
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Goin' to the movies to READ and shit. If I wanted to read, I'd stay home and peruse my Black Tai-- er, Entertainment Weeklys.

I'm just saying.

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138. "Star Trek is for fucking dorks."
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Obi says fuck a star trek.

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139. "at least Star Trek isn't basically just for kiddies"
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it's actually got some justifiable teenage/adult content

  

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140. "And Star Wars IS???"
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Get outta here with that bull...

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141. "yes, yes it is"
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just accept it

it's slightly embarressing to be into it when you're over 16

if you still have place for it in your heart that's pure nostalgia, and it's not really surprising you don't like the new films 20 years later

it's like I was saying to myself the other day - "What am I expecting from the new Doctor Who? it's a fucking kid's program"

where is the non-childish content again? little teddy bears? big teddy bears? rescuing princesses? light sabers? the force?

  

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143. "i really can't decide"
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I might give a slight edge to Star Trek just because it was before Star Wars and still has an everlasting affect on American culture.

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145. "I must admit, the answer is OBVIOUSLY"
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STAR WARS. I am not fronting on the impact of STAR TREK by any means, and STAR TREK may have even influenced STAR WARS to an extent. However fans of TREK have to deal with reality. Nobody has ever camped out in line for weeks and weeks to see a STAR TREK movie. NEVER. Trekkies are loyal, no doubt. However, I bet the "Trekkie" sub-culture is much smaller than the Star Wars sub-culture...and probably WAAAY stranger too.

Another thing I look at too, does TREK have any VILLAINS that can match up with those in the STAR WARS franchise? Does TREK have anybody that can deal with with Darth Vader? The Emporer? Jabba the Hutt? The Storm Troopers? Heck, even Boba Fett? Part of good film-making/television is having cold-blooded, memorable villains. Does Trek have any? (And don't say the Klingons...and you better not say Khan either.)

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147. "Gene Roddenberry >> Joseph Campbell (Lucas's handler)"
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148. "Joseph Campbell--I just did a search on him because"
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I've never heard of the cat...anyway, from the couple of sites I saw, he was somewhat of a mentor to Roddenberry AND Lucas. What elese do you know about this cat?

I did come across this interesting site:
www.jitterbug.com/origins/index.html

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149. "that makes no sense"
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152. "Trek wasn't all about villains though."
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The conflict between good and evil is an essential part of the Star Wars story, you take that out and you're left with NOTHING. Star Trek, on the other hand, was more about humanity's discovery of things new and unfamiliar, and how these new discoveries test humanity's sense of morality. Villains play a part in this, but you could take out storylines involving villains and still have something to work with.

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159. "RE: I must admit, the answer is OBVIOUSLY"
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>Part of good film-making/television is having
>cold-blooded, memorable villains. Does Trek have any? (And
>don't say the Klingons...and you better not say Khan either.)

The Borg, The Founders, The Gem'Haddar, The Romulans, The Cardassians, Q,

  

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160. "I mean, apart from Vader and the Emperor, does"
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Star Wars have any? This is just as useless a question as the one you asked above. *edit* this is in response to Malachi's question above...


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146. "How much STAR WARS hateration is THIS:"
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www.spub.ksu.edu/article.php?a=5824

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153. "This thread denies Gene Rodenberry his dues"
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Talk about visionary.

  

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163. "How are we defining 'American culture?'"
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If we're defining it in the creative sense, then Star Trek wins, not because of its "hip" quotient, or lack thereof (because let's face it, it doesn't have one and probably never will), but because you just don't take a franchise and stretch it out in continuously creative directions (the original show, the cartoon, the feature films, and of course the spin-offs) for almost 40 years without it having some kind of impact on the CREATIVE culture somewhere. Note that this definition (the creative sense) doesn't include talk about how "nerdy" and "uncool" Trekkies are, because it's not about its impact on its followers, as they don't dictate its impact on culture. Who thee fuck cares? (and no, I don't follow Star Trek)

Now if we're defining it in the hip, pop cultural, zeitgeist-y sense, then Star Wars wins because it's been on the pop culture radar (thanks to almost endless media saturation) for the past 6 years (after being relatively dormant from 1984 to about 1996, and I know, 'Return was released in 1983'), and because of this it's "hip" to be up on Star Wars. This definition certainly includes the affect of the series on its followers because you can't be on the pop culture map without them.

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166. "you're absolutely right"
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Star Wars has had the biggest impact on American POP culture since it's intial release in 77.

But the biggest overall impact on American culture in general comes from Star Trek.

Not only did Star Trek pave the way for Star Wars, but it has had that lasting stamp on the arts for decades now.

I'm not a Trekkie or a Star Wars fanatic (though I'm excited to see Ep III), but honestly this comparison of Star Trek with Star Wars is like saying which author had the biggest impact, Ernest Hemmingway or Stephen King?

  

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164. "cell phones = star trek"
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165. "The first cell phones were came out in th late 1940's,"
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Star Trek didn't debut until 1966.

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