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Utamaroho
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"Telling OUR Epic stories..."


  

          

Which stories of OUR histories do you think should be shown in movies on the big screen? Have you ever thought about an idea based on an historical event or read a book by one of OUR authors and storytellers that you'd like to see represented in a movie?

With the inundation of Europeans stories and tales over the past years (Braveheart, Gladiator, The Patriot, Troy, Alexander Kingdom Of Heaven etc.) and their popularity, do you feel a lack of stories of OUR history?

  

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RE: Telling OUR Epic stories...
Jun 14th 2005
1
I wanna see "2000 Seasons" and "From Superman to Man"
Jun 14th 2005
2
Two of them: The Ethiopianism movement worldwide and
Jun 14th 2005
3
um
Jun 14th 2005
4
Y u always so damn negative. Smile.
Jun 14th 2005
5
films can be powerful
Jun 14th 2005
7
well
Jun 14th 2005
17
      you actin like you have a point
Jun 14th 2005
22
           i'm sooo sorry
Jun 15th 2005
31
                RE: i'm sooo sorry
Jun 19th 2005
45
                     no misunderstanding
Jun 20th 2005
52
                          RE: no misunderstanding
Jun 20th 2005
54
                               RE: no misunderstanding
Jun 20th 2005
57
                                    Don't take this wrong way (seriously)...
Jun 20th 2005
60
                                         Is Philosophy really the subject you wanna do your doctorate in?
Jun 21st 2005
61
                                              RE: Is Philosophy really the subject you wanna do your doctorate in?
Jun 21st 2005
63
pitiful undeveloped response.
Jun 14th 2005
9
      pitiful naive thread
Jun 15th 2005
32
           I have to assume you're the only naive one
Jun 20th 2005
53
                oh word?
Jun 20th 2005
58
                     RE: oh word?
Jun 20th 2005
59
                          RE: oh word?
Jun 21st 2005
62
                               RE: oh word?
Jun 21st 2005
64
                                    with all due respect
Jun 21st 2005
65
                                         Impress? No... inform? Yes
Jun 21st 2005
66
marcus garvey/unia
Jun 14th 2005
6
Fannie Lou Hamer and the MFDP
Jun 14th 2005
8
good one!
Jun 14th 2005
10
Paul Robeson
Jun 14th 2005
11
The Haitian Revolution
Jun 14th 2005
12
RE: The Haitian Revolution
Jun 14th 2005
13
RE: The Haitian Revolution
Jun 14th 2005
15
Danny Glover is working on this...
Jun 14th 2005
23
      word? Danny's the man!!
Jun 15th 2005
25
      really?
Jun 15th 2005
26
      wow...good to know
Jun 15th 2005
28
      Word!
Jun 15th 2005
33
RE: Telling OUR Epic stories...
Jun 14th 2005
14
The story of Nzingha, Sunni Ali Ber the real Cleopatra story
Jun 14th 2005
18
Nzingha would be DOPE
Jun 15th 2005
29
      I forgot all about her yea her too
Jun 18th 2005
36
African-American Life After The Civil War
Jun 14th 2005
19
especially highlighting rutherford b. hayes scandal
Jun 14th 2005
20
      Exactly
Jun 14th 2005
21
a movie about Murtala Muhammed should be done.
Jun 15th 2005
24
I know of him as simply another Nigerian dictator
Jun 15th 2005
30
      you're the first person that i've ever met who calls him a dictator
Jun 19th 2005
43
           I know little about him
Jun 19th 2005
47
           here's a repost of something i wrote in another thread
Jun 19th 2005
49
                thanks!
Jun 20th 2005
56
           It's even possible that I was under the influence
Jun 19th 2005
48
                Fela mentioned him by name?
Jun 19th 2005
50
                     if so, very rarely
Jun 20th 2005
55
Anything dealing with the greatness of Pre-Columbian cultures
Jun 15th 2005
27
A movie dealing with Palenques, Maroons, Quilombos etc
Jun 18th 2005
34
Any epic movie concerning, war/revolts
Jun 18th 2005
35
the Yaa Assantewa story would be great...
Jun 18th 2005
37
True or how the Asante sold off 20,000 Fanti in one day
Jun 18th 2005
38
      Word man... n/m
Jun 18th 2005
39
Clarence 13X and the "First Born"
Jun 19th 2005
40
We've talked about a story for Father God Allah (Peace....
Jun 19th 2005
42
      i think, given his impact on the community,
Jun 21st 2005
67
We're looking to doing a film on the life of W.E.B. Dubouis
Jun 19th 2005
41
Word, that'd be dope. I'd like to see one on Garvey as well.
Jun 19th 2005
44
holla @ me if you need me
Jun 19th 2005
46
A few posters already mentioned Garvey & DuBios.
Jun 19th 2005
51
Sheikh Bamba from Senegal
Jun 23rd 2005
68

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1. "RE: Telling OUR Epic stories..."
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I would love to see the spanish/american war accurately portrayed. And the following Phillipine/american war (which was more a massacre, attempt at genocide, than a war)no way hollywood would touch this

I think it is important that films like hotel rwanda get made, but these events are always made with a positive and uplifting spin.....i understand that its necessary to have a few people want to go see the movie.....just want the truth...thats why the doc was better (although Don Cheadle and Sophie Okinedo were amazing)......

btw, best political film ever made was battle of algiers......it's amazing how Gillo Pontecorvo made it look so real.....it looks like a doc....this film deserves a post all its own....

peace

  

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2. "I wanna see "2000 Seasons" and "From Superman to Man""
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and defnitely the rebellions that happened in the Carribean

  

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3. "Two of them: The Ethiopianism movement worldwide and"
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The real story of the civil rights struggle circa 1950 thru 1975 from Rustin to the Last Poets. I mean, it'd take like 5 movies to complete the thing, but I feel it would be powerful.

The stuff elders tell me is so powerful I can't help thinking it needs to be a movie or a book. I'd try to it, but I don't want that responsibility. Couldn't do it justice.


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4. "um"
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once these stories are turned into movies, they become part of an industry which is only interested in money. As for the movie-goers, I bet the majority will treat these films like every other article.

  

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5. "Y u always so damn negative. Smile."
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SMILE. Have hope dammit! Don't make me come over there. I'ma lock u in a room with some laughin gas and comedy specials.

damn.

U aint seen a great, powerful movie that was able to keep it's integrity that told OUR stories before like maybe: X, Roots, Amistad, Glory, etc?

I mean DAMN, yo.


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7. "films can be powerful"
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Tue Jun-14-05 04:00 PM by LexM

  

          

i had no clue who malcolm x was before i started seeing the "X" hats right before the movie came out. i thought folks were worried about the number 10 for some reason....

but after i saw the movie it was like, "ok. what can i find out about the REAL man?" i was in love. i went home & yelled @ my parents for not telling me who he was. i went out & bought his autobiography.

that opened up a WHOLE new world for me. black panthers. assata. huey. eldridge cleaver....all that. then the poetry. then came amiri baraka, watching sankofa, wanting to know about slavery, then about africa...it goes on.

no, a movie is not and should not be the alpha and omega.

but it can spark thought, discussion, or even an "i can do it better...", which snowballs into more poignant art all around.


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17. "well"
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most people just bought the t-shirt.

  

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22. "you actin like you have a point"
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Ladies and gentlemen, view cynicism at its worst: that is, cynicism when it's completely irrelevant to the topic and only for the sake of itself.

Excuse me for my anger at your flagrant dismissal of the power of communication between Spike and my sis LexM, and the celebration of one of our most important lives and stories.

*tries to calm dowm*

God bless sensible folk.

  

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31. "i'm sooo sorry"
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>Ladies and gentlemen, view cynicism at its worst: that is,
>cynicism when it's completely irrelevant to the topic and only
>for the sake of itself.

it's sarcasm.

>Excuse me for my anger at your flagrant dismissal of the power
>of communication between Spike and my sis LexM, and the
>celebration of one of our most important lives and stories.

Celebration?!

>*tries to calm dowm*
>
>God bless sensible folk.

  

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45. "RE: i'm sooo sorry"
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>Celebration?!

Um... yes. I assume you understand the word, where's your misunderstanding?

  

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52. "no misunderstanding"
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It was just funny to see someone callin that flick a celebration.

btw, your apotheosis of mr x was funny, too.

  

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54. "RE: no misunderstanding"
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Mon Jun-20-05 03:07 PM by Chike

  

          

>It was just funny to see someone callin that flick a
>celebration.

Uh. So if you ended a flick with little kids in South Africa getting up and saying "I am Malcolm X" and made sure to include Ossie Davis' masterful eulogy, you wouldn't see it as celebratory?

I should really not engage with people when they exchange intelligence for snipishness.

>btw, your apotheosis of mr x was funny, too.

If you think it's "funny" to call Malcolm X one of our most important lives and stories, you must know very few and very little about black people. Which suggests to me that you should avoid making statements on what is or is not an apotheosis in relation to anything black.

We're talking basic historical knowledge here, sir. You know, as in, you can hate Malcolm X but know his cultural importance as a symbol, all that kind of low-level awareness of social history, etc.?

  

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57. "RE: no misunderstanding"
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>>It was just funny to see someone callin that flick a
>>celebration.
>
>Uh. So if you ended a flick with little kids in South Africa
>getting up and saying "I am Malcolm X" and made sure to
>include Ossie Davis' masterful eulogy, you wouldn't see it as
>celebratory?
>
>I should really not engage with people when they exchange
>intelligence for snipishness.

yeah, maybe you should not.

>>btw, your apotheosis of mr x was funny, too.
>
>If you think it's "funny" to call Malcolm X one of our most
>important lives and stories, you must know very few and very
>little about black people. Which suggests to me that you
>should avoid making statements on what is or is not an
>apotheosis in relation to anything black.

>We're talking basic historical knowledge here, sir. You know,
>as in, you can hate Malcolm X but know his cultural importance
>as a symbol, all that kind of low-level awareness of social
>history, etc.?

it's sad that a student of philosophy isn't capable of reading between the lines. in turning mr x into a symbol and callin him one of "our" greatest lives you are deprivin him of his humaneness.

there is no need to celebrate a person's life.




  

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60. "Don't take this wrong way (seriously)..."
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Mon Jun-20-05 11:47 PM by Chike

  

          

>>>btw, your apotheosis of mr x was funny, too.
>>
>>If you think it's "funny" to call Malcolm X one of our most
>>important lives and stories, you must know very few and very
>>little about black people. Which suggests to me that you
>>should avoid making statements on what is or is not an
>>apotheosis in relation to anything black.
>
>>We're talking basic historical knowledge here, sir. You
>know,
>>as in, you can hate Malcolm X but know his cultural
>importance
>>as a symbol, all that kind of low-level awareness of social
>>history, etc.?
>
>it's sad that a student of philosophy isn't capable of reading
>between the lines. in turning mr x into a symbol and callin
>him one of "our" greatest lives you are deprivin him of his
>humaneness.
>
>there is no need to celebrate a person's life.

...is English your first language? I don't even mean to be offensive in asking that. You think celebrating a person's life is wrong and that it deprives people of their humaneness... I really wish to know what interesting definition it is that you have of "life" and "celebration", this definition that somehow makes "one of our greatest lives" an inhumane description (!!!).

And uh... I mean, if you saw the movie, you can't possibly think it deprives X of his humaneness. And again, on the other hand, if you think Spike would refrain from using the language I did to describe Malcolm, that ALSO suggests you didn't see the movie.

  

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61. "Is Philosophy really the subject you wanna do your doctorate in?"
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I don't even mean to be offensive in asking that.

>You think celebrating a person's
>life is wrong and that it deprives people of their
>humaneness...

Wrong. I just said there's no need to celebrate a person's life. Furthermore, I stated that it's the metamorphosis of people into symbols which deprives them of their humanenes (see Jesus Christ).

>I really wish to know what interesting
>definition it is that you have of "life" and "celebration",
>this definition that somehow makes "one of our greatest lives"
>an inhumane description (!!!).

First, it's an apotheosis - Malcolm the Übermensch. Second, your use of the possessive pronoun is tantamount to epistemic power. You cannot claim him or his life for "us".






  

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63. "RE: Is Philosophy really the subject you wanna do your doctorate in?"
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Tue Jun-21-05 01:34 AM by Chike

  

          

>I don't even mean to be offensive in asking that.
>
>>You think celebrating a person's
>>life is wrong and that it deprives people of their
>>humaneness...
>
>Wrong. I just said there's no need to celebrate a person's
>life. Furthermore, I stated that it's the metamorphosis of
>people into symbols which deprives them of their humanenes
>(see Jesus Christ).

Had to add an anti-Christian dig in there, did you? How lovely. Malcolm is a symbol and there's no changing that. A mature view of him involves understanding the flesh and blood man with faults behind the symbol. I can assure you that neither Spike, LexM nor I eschew the mature view insofar as we have interest in Malcolm. And again, "one of our greatest lives" is not incompatible with understanding that every life is more than a symbol, it's a fault-ridden reality. Hope that's clear for you this time round.

>>I really wish to know what interesting
>>definition it is that you have of "life" and "celebration",
>>this definition that somehow makes "one of our greatest
>lives"
>>an inhumane description (!!!).
>
>First, it's an apotheosis - Malcolm the Übermensch. Second,
>your use of the possessive pronoun is tantamount to epistemic
>power. You cannot claim him or his life for "us".

"Greatest" in terms of his life's symbolic power, but I'm guessing this will bring you back to your difficulty of understanding how one can understand a life's symbolic power without thinking the symbolism is all there is to it. And part of his humanness is his agency, and Malcolm's acts - most especially his "speech acts" - hold a certain significance in their powerful effect within his life and after it. So his greatness as a symbol has a lot to do with his greatness as a person. Which, again, does not make him an ubermensch, Mr. Either-Or - insult my aptitude for my discipline all you want, I am not going to cede ground so as to be trapped in a silly binary where you either don't celebrate a person or reduce them completely to nothing but an "inhuman" symbol.

"our" = black folks. I think your reference to "epistemic power" is unintelligible unless all you mean is that you think I am overstepping (proper conceptual) bounds. But uh, sorry, since I self-identify as black, I take an interest in black lives that includes speaking from a first-person perspective, and I don't see that as overstepping any boundary. If you think I cannot "claim" a figure in black history, you are either attacking a straw man (am I saying I own other people's lives or something?) or wrong (as I said, if you can't understand the attachment black folks feel to Malcolm X, go study a while rather than argue with me).

  

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9. "pitiful undeveloped response."
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32. "pitiful naive thread"
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53. "I have to assume you're the only naive one"
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Only you is imagining that we want anything more from these potential movies than what they can offer if thoughtfully made and actually marketed.

  

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58. "oh word?"
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You're both naive and bigheaded. Films have far more influence on your way of thinking than you can imagine.








  

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59. "RE: oh word?"
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>You're both naive and bigheaded. Films have far more
>influence on your way of thinking than you can imagine.

You're crazy and apparently proud of it. Let me first mention that you're saying to this to someone who was once a Film major and graduated with it as a minor. But maybe that background experience of mine would be relevant if I was actually guilty of having said something that mistakenly suggested that i didn't understand this principle you've so kindly tried to gesture to.

Aside from the fact that there was absolutely nothing naive or big-headed about my statement, the influence films have on people's way of thinking SUPPORTS my statement, and so... I really have no idea why you keep replying with such foolish things to say.

  

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62. "RE: oh word?"
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>You're crazy and apparently proud of it. Let me first mention
>that you're saying to this to someone who was once a Film
>major and graduated with it as a minor.

Wowsers! Holy shit! I'm impressed - especially since I'm doing my doctorate in Media Studies.



  

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64. "RE: oh word?"
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>
>>You're crazy and apparently proud of it. Let me first
>mention
>>that you're saying to this to someone who was once a Film
>>major and graduated with it as a minor.
>
>Wowsers! Holy shit! I'm impressed - especially since I'm doing
>my doctorate in Media Studies.

Good for you... you know, if I didn't trust you so much to respond sensibly, I might mistake this reply as implying that I mentioned my studies in Film to impress you. And heck, I might even wonder if you read on and took note of how I dismissed my studies as irrelevant even to defending myself against that particular reply. But you're so good at making your point clear...

  

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65. "with all due respect"
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of course you were tryin to impress me

  

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66. "Impress? No... inform? Yes"
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(your accusation of ignorance regarding the way films influence thinking suggested an assumption that this is not something I have spent time thinking about... my previous field of study = impossible that that's something I have not spent time thinking about)

  

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6. "marcus garvey/unia"
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also something about the off-beat religious folks.

father divine
daddy grace

the ppl my great aunts/uncles talk about all the time...i think that'd be interesting.

or things that would highlight the effects/spoils of slavery. e.g. what about a movie about early wall street or the story of the "black side" of a prominent or formerly prominent american family.

it'd also be interesting for someone to do a history of black/indigenous relationships (NOT the damn buffalo soldiers). e.g. the seminoles of florida.

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For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. Romans 8:18

  

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10. "good one!"
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11. "Paul Robeson"
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this would be the best biopic..........i don't know anyone who could play the man....and do him justice......

The film also could be used to educate the masses on the harlem renaissance.......

I would love to see his life story make it to the silver screen.........its so complex.....would be hard to even make it a 2 1/2 hour film....there's just too much information to be crammed into a film

  

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12. "The Haitian Revolution"
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13. "RE: The Haitian Revolution"
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Have you seen The Agronomist yet? great film

  

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15. "RE: The Haitian Revolution"
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Nope... but I'm going to check it out

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23. "Danny Glover is working on this..."
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Using his own money too.

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25. "word? Danny's the man!!"
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26. "really?"
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i cant wait.

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28. "wow...good to know"
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33. "Word!"
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14. "RE: Telling OUR Epic stories..."
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Ancient civilizations represented accurately-Kemet,Timbuctoo,Ethiopia etc.Shit,turn it into a romantic/tragic epic movie,or something.
Othman Dan Fodio
Nelson Mandela and the whole SA struggle brought to the big screen.
Patruce Lumamba
Fela Kuti
To name a few.

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18. "The story of Nzingha, Sunni Ali Ber the real Cleopatra story"
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the Akhenaten story. The Mau Mau revolution, What is the name of the African Moor that traveled with the spanish to modern say florida(st augustine to colorado before being killed.

The unity of AFRICANS and SEMINOLES AGAINST EUROPEANS.

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29. "Nzingha would be DOPE"
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throw hatshepsut in there, too


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36. "I forgot all about her yea her too"
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19. "African-American Life After The Civil War"
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The Freedmen's Bureau(And the mishaps with the Freedmen's Bank)
The building of educational and economic institutions
The Role in Westward Expansion(from Settlers to 9th & 10th Cavalry)
Political involvement(Blanche K. Bruce and Richard T. Greener)

  

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20. "especially highlighting rutherford b. hayes scandal"
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21. "Exactly"
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The End of Reconstruction would also be a good flick.

  

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24. "a movie about Murtala Muhammed should be done."
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seriously, that's one hella interesting story

  

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30. "I know of him as simply another Nigerian dictator"
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Now I'm interested in all our stories, so that doesn't make him boring to me, but what makes him special in your eyes?

  

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43. "you're the first person that i've ever met who calls him a dictator"
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i think he was a revolutionary with a great vision for Nigeria and Africa

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47. "I know little about him"
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So if I was wrong to refer to him as a dictator based on the little I know... I am very open to being educated. Any good links?

  

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49. "here's a repost of something i wrote in another thread"
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cause i wanted to save time etc...

original thread:
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=9&topic_id=43521&mesg_id=43521&listing_type=search#43627

Obasanjo used to be General Murtala Muhammed's second in command. Murtala assumed power after a military coup that displaced a highly corrupt and much despised "civilian" government. the General offered Nigeria a glimpse of visionary leadership that was on course to rapidly propelling the country into a promising future... until his assassination 200 days into his term- which many believe to be a hit called on by the US, UK, and elements in Nigeria

The General was successful in unifying the country, cracking down on rampant corruption, and embracing a pan-African political platform that placed Africa at the center of Nigeria's agenda. Murtala sought to completely subsidize education and health care, demobilize parts of the military, and follow a socialist agenda. Check out the following reference to the US Library of Congress on his regime here:
http://countrystudies.us/nigeria/26.htm

Many of the Nigerians who lived during his term said the General lead by example and avoided endulging luxuries that were common for heads of states. He maintained his residence in the same house he had before he assumed leadership, and took a daily commute to the presidential palace without any motorcade or bodyguards. I was also told the General had an ambitious social program aimed at reinventing Nigerian culture, and that he was known to disguise himself as an old, poor man who would seek service at various venues to conduct a sort of moral inspection of the treatment of socially disenfranchised people. In the event he was mistreated in such exercises, the General would make personal calls to the responsible parties afterwards and advise them on their social conduct. Murtala viewed Nigeria's industrial culture as one that respected wealth and power above human dignity, and sought to reinvent the social landscape in this regard. He was assassinated on his commute to the palace while being stuck in traffic on his way to work, and officially, the assassination is credited to disgruntled sectors of the military that were unhappy with the decreasing power of the armed forces.... although a wide body of evidence points to US and UK involvement.

the following article covers the Obasanjo's degree of complicity with the western governments implicated in Murtala's assassination:
http://www.wsws.org/articles/1999/mar1999/nig-m17.shtml

it lead me to suspect Obasanjo himself had a hand in Murtala's assassination, even though Obasanjo claims to be advancing Murtala's vision.

here's more information relating to the assassination of General Muhammad:
(taken from http://www.onwar.com/aced/data/november/nigeria1976.htm)

Murtala Muhammad was assassinated during an unsuccessful coup d'état in February 1976, and the country went into deep mourning. In less than a year, this man had captured the hearts of many Nigerians. The political shake-up and the decisive leadership in the midst of rapid economic growth seemed to promise a bright future. In fact, there was considerable opposition to Murtala Muhammad that would have become more pronounced in the succeeding months, but this opposition was stifled under the outpouring of national loss.

The attempted coup reflected dissatisfaction within the military that was unconnected with the larger currents of opposition in the country. Two groups of conspirators were involved in the coup. The first, composed of middle-grade officers, was led by Lieutenant Colonel Bukar Dimka, who was related to Gowon by marriage. Dimka's opposition to Murtala Muhammad was both professional and political. Dimka's group protested demobilization and alleged that the FMG was "going communist." A group of colonels answering to Major General I.D. Bisalla, the minister of defense, waited in the wings for Dimka's group to overthrow the government, and then planned to seize power. Dimka, Bisalla, and thirty-eight other conspirators were convicted after a secret trial before a military tribunal and were executed publicly by a firing squad. Evidence published by the FMG implied that both groups of conspirators had been in communication with Gowon, who was accused of complicity in the plot against Murtala Muhammad. The British government refused to accede to Nigerian demands for Gowon's extradition, however, and protests against the decision forced Britain to recall its high commissioner from Lagos.


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56. "thanks!"
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It would be great to read a book on the guy. I appreciate your setting me straight in my libelousness.

  

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48. "It's even possible that I was under the influence"
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of Fela's sweeping generalized condemnations of Nigerian leadership. I feel like I heard something bad about from him apart from that... but I might be wrong.

  

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50. "Fela mentioned him by name?"
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«SiG»
“Stand out firmly for Justice as witness before God, even against yourselves, against your kin and against your parents, against people who are rich or poor. Do not follow your inclinations or desires lest you deviate from Justice."
-Qur’an 4:135

  

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55. "if so, very rarely"
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My point was that Fela talks bleakly about Nigerian leadership and tends to paint it as an unending string of corruption. So while I'm not sure what his stance on Mohammed was, I was under the influence of the sweeping generalizations.

  

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27. "Anything dealing with the greatness of Pre-Columbian cultures"
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34. "A movie dealing with Palenques, Maroons, Quilombos etc"
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35. "Any epic movie concerning, war/revolts"
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shouldn't copy the typical "glory" of war but humane people under circumstances having no other choice.

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37. "the Yaa Assantewa story would be great..."
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show how the sisters were doing it right with the brothers.

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38. "True or how the Asante sold off 20,000 Fanti in one day"
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for guns and beer.

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39. "Word man... n/m"
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40. "Clarence 13X and the "First Born""
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That would be dope.



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42. "We've talked about a story for Father God Allah (Peace...."
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..to Allah and Justice).

It should happen.

Peace.

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67. "i think, given his impact on the community,"
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that would definitely be worthwhile.

it would be an excellent introduction to the workings of history for the hip hop generation, especially.


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41. "We're looking to doing a film on the life of W.E.B. Dubouis"
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Can't say much more about it.

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44. "Word, that'd be dope. I'd like to see one on Garvey as well."
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46. "holla @ me if you need me"
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I think I mentioned to you how I'm already quite familiar, but attempting to even more deeply familiarize myself with his life and work this summer.

  

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51. "A few posters already mentioned Garvey & DuBios."
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But I'll tell you this, if
you haven't seen the DVD
"Unforgivable Blackness"
(about the life of boxing
great Jack Johnson), I
suggesting purchasing it
at the PBS online store.

Do it now!

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68. "Sheikh Bamba from Senegal"
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#

"Forget Black History Month, how about live an African History Life"-Ansley Burrows

  

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