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You Can't Handle the Truth: Quitter - The Darth Kobe Story
Posted by Robert Littal on 05.10.2006

Did Kobe Bryant quit on his team?

Are you hearing the whispers? At the water cooler, on the message boards, sports talk radio, in the papers and all over the streets. They are saying Darth quit. Kobe Bean Bryant the Ted Bundy of the NBA pulled a "Pippen" or a "Duran" depending on how old you are in Game 7 against the Phoenix Suns. How is this possible? How does the most competitive player in the NBA give up, admits defeat and fails to get off on his stool in the 12th round? How can perception change so much in a couple of days? From comparisons to MJ to comparisons to 50 Cent when real thugs are around. Is it possible that Bean is a studio gangsta? Did this really happen?

To get the answer to this question you have to go back to when Darth dropped 62 in 3 quarters against the Mavericks and the media criticized him for not going for 80, that is where the seed was planted for what happen in Game 7. When Bean dropped the "T.O." on the Raptors and was criticized for shooting too much, the seed was sprouting. When Young Kobe played the role of Magic Johnson in games 1-3 in the series against the Suns and was finally given love for being a "team player", the flowers starting to grow. When Byrant did his MJ impression in Game 4 and everyone started to compare him to the greatest players in the game, the colors of the petals were in full bloom. But in Game 6 with Kobe (with a little help from Lamar Odom) is the only Laker to show up and single handily keeps them in the game going 20-35 draining 3s from all over the court, he gets criticized once again for shooting too much and not being a "team player" (Charles Barkley even comments that the 15 misses were the reasons the Suns won which qualifies for the most asisnine comment of the year) the petals start to fall off the flower. Darth finds out that 22 writers leave him off the ballot for MVP. Once again I repeat 22 writers thought that Kobe Byrant was not one of the top 5 players in the NBA this year (by the way their voting privileges should be revoked). At this point the flower had died under the heat of the Sun (pun definitely intended).

Which brings us to Game 7. Game 7 is where legends are made especially if you win on the road. So you are Kobe, you have gone from being hated, to loved and backed to hated within 2 weeks how do you respond? You start off playing like you did in Game 6 torching the Suns (more puns), but unfortunately your teammates are also playing like they did in Game 6. You have your 20+ points in the first half and your team is getting blown out by 15. Not because of you, but because your team hasn't shown any intensity since Game 3. Phillip has been telling you that there is no way you can win the series unless the Smush Parkers of the world start believing they are John Paxson, Steve Kerr or BJ Armstrong of this generation. You are sitting in your locker down 15 and you have to make a decision to make and for the first time all year Darth Kobe blinked and reverted to Kobe Skywalker.

The whole premise of the Darth Kobe persona is the fact that Bryant had realized that the majority of people, players and media will never like him regardless of what he does and to use that as fuel to destroy everything in his wake. Up to this point it was working, but for the first time I believe Kobe did what he thought "YOU" wanted him to do instead of what he wanted to do. In the back of his mind he knew that he could probably score 60 points and the Lakers would still lose by 20. He also knew if that happened he would absolutely get crushed the next day by the media, so instead he attempted to get his teammates involved in the 2nd half. Unfortunately without Kobe keeping them close the team showed why Kobe should have been the MVP as they continuously blew opportunity after opportunity and a 15-point lead quickly grew to a 25-point lead for the Suns.

If you read my article "Darth Kobe" (http://www.blacksportsonline.com/rlkobe.html) one of the things that Kobe can't hide are his emotions. Whatever he is saying out loud mean nothing. You can look at his face and clearly know what he is thinking. When Kobe was on the bench in the 4th quarter, you knew the disgust he was feeling for his teammates, but even more telling you could see that he knew he made a huge mistake. Instead of doing what he thought was best, he did what he what "YOU" thought was best and it had backfired on him.

I must admit I have to laugh when I heard media and fans alike pointing out the fact that Michael Jordan would have never gone out like that. They like to point out specifically the fact that Michael Jordan dropped 63 on the Celtics in a clinching OT loss. Kobe had just dropped 50 in a loss and was roundly slammed. You think the criticism is bad now just imagine if Kobe had dropped 60 and the Lakers lost, do you really think the media would have commended him on going down with no bullets in his gun? If you do then you are simply na�ve or ignorant to the fact that the hate for Bean runs deep.

When 22 writers keep you off their MVP ballots it is personal. Kobe has crossed over into Barry Bonds and Terrell Owens land. It doesn't matter what he does he is going to get slammed. It has nothing to do with Kobe the basketball player, but Kobe the person. There are several players in the NBA who play a similar game as Kobe's. None of them play it as well and none of them are hated the way Kobe is.

Similar to Barry Bonds and T.O., the majority of this hate lays at the feet of Kobe. Kobe did help run Shaq out of town, Kobe did at times not play team ball, Kobe did cheat on his wife by dry humping a woman in Colorado, Kobe is arrogant, Kobe is somewhat selfish and Kobe does come across at times as fake and insincere. All of the things are true and all are reasons why I can understand why people would not like him personally, but it has nothing to do with the fact he is the best player in the game of basketball right now. The fact that things off the court are affecting people's opinion of him on the court is what is wrong. Only one thing is going to quiet the critics and that is a championship. It doesn't matter if Kobe gets to Game 7 of the NBA Finals and loses the critics will be there. The only way Kobe ever gets the love he wants is to take a team to a championship.

The worst thing that probably happen to Bean is playing like Magic Johnson in those first 3 games because it gave him a false sense of security. He started to trust the media, trust the fans and most importantly trust his teammates. Kobe didn't let down his teammates his teammates let him down. Kobe was not the reason the Lakers didn't close out the Suns. Smush Parker, Kwame Brown, Luke Walton, Brian Cook and etc etc were the reasons the Lakers aren't playing the Clippers right now, but that doesn't matter because the only person people focus on is Bean.

So to go back to the original question did Kobe quit? The answer to that is yes, but not in the 2nd half of Game 7. He quit believing that people wouldn't judge him by what happen in Colorado. He quit believing that people wouldn't judge him by what happened with Shaq. He quit believing that people wouldn't criticize him for doing what he believed they wanted him to do. He quit believing that he had to be Darth Kobe.

If you think this is going to stop Bean you are wrong, you know he is going to come back stronger, faster and even more determined. To him this is just a lesson learned and the lesson is simple. Once you go to the darkside there is no coming back.

So you find one stupid ass writer whos thoughts just so happen to be similar to yours and everyone else is wrong? This aint nothin' new. What he said is the same shit you Lakers fans have been saying ever since he quit on his team. He says that only a championship will change peoples' opinions of him, fuck that. I would STILL look at him as a selfish, arrogant, cheating, rapist. The shit he says dosen't even make sense. How the fuck you gonna take less than 5 shots in the 4th of game 7? Yes, we all agree, Kobe is highly criticized due to his personal life, but that isnt what this about. Anybody that would have done that would receive the same criticisim. I think this is just a way to justify the hate on Kobe for what he did in game 7, but it has nothing to do with his personal life.

That's interesting.

Look, get over it. One bad game, a few mistakes, and a bad rap do not make him a bad player. This wasn't his last game ever. Deep down you guys wish he would just suffer a major injury or some shit like that.

I (and no one else I saw) contested the fact that Kobe should've tried to take over the game in the end. It would've been fruitless, but oh well, atleast you'd have something different to hate on.

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This makes Laker fans look bad.
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He is a fascinating sports persona. One of the few personalities
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what, exactly, was wrong?

where was the falicy in that article?

its airtight

everything he said, every word, was true

the major difference, besides the defense? role players not showing up the way they did earlier

which goes to show you how the team around you seperates the goods from the greats

kobe put them up on his back all year, he played his fucking heart out and got ripped for it

then he goes and does the right thing and it works for a while, and everyone loves him

then it stops working- but he still does what is, in his mind,best for the team..

i said this from the get and was told that since i didnt watch the game, i should\nt talk about it

but its damn near verbatim what my take was

this shit is absolute truth

>then it stops working- but he still does what is, in his
>mind,best for the team..

"IN HIS MIND"

The number one accusation against Kobe is he lets his ego get in the way of team play and/or victory.

That's the accusation for Game 7. He quit because his ego was damaged, and he decided he didn't wanna work anymore.

That's very convenient for him. I'm glad the quitting halfway through the game was a strategy move for him. Is it a good move for the Laker fans who buy tickets? Is it a good move for his teammates?

The criticism (and I guess the defense) is all about what's in Kobe's mind. The defense is about what's best for Kobe. The criticism is about what's best for the team and the fans.

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If you say Kobe decided to do that because he somehow thought him taking 3 shots in the 2nd half when his teammates couldn't buy a shot was going to somehow win them the game is basically saying Kobe has NO basketball IQ.
Or if you say Feel Jackson told him to do that then you are saying Feel Jackson is a horrible coach,which is already evident by him failing to adjust to 3 games of the same play being run on his team.

now had he been a gunner for the previous 6 games and then just shut it down game 7, you might have a pooint

but they were still trying to hatch out a gameplan that worked in a very real way for 4 games.

Team players take more than 1 shot in a quarter.

Team players make assists.

Kobe did neither.

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apparantly his teamates were lacking in those departments.

apparantly his teamates were lacking in those departments.

"22 writers thought that Kobe Byrant was not one of the top 5 players in the NBA this year (by the way their voting privileges should be revoked). "

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"help run Shaq out of town" becomes he ran Shaq out of town.......Laker fans have always admitted Kobe was part of the problem of why Shaq left, however there are 3 other integral parts that ya'll refuse to admit in the break(Shaq, Dr. Buss, and Coach Jackson). Facts wont change ya'll stances though.

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Laker fans have always admitted Kobe was part of
>the problem of why Shaq left, however there are 3 other
>integral parts that ya'll refuse to admit in the break (Shaq,
>Dr. Buss, and Coach Jackson). Facts wont change ya'll stances
>though.

lol nooooo, why should they? the haters already know how everything went down.


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this shit tells it all tho.

>Similar to Barry Bonds and T.O., the majority of this hate
>lays at the feet of Kobe. Kobe did help run Shaq out of town,
>Kobe did at times not play team ball, Kobe did cheat on his
>wife by dry humping a woman in Colorado, Kobe is arrogant,
>Kobe is somewhat selfish and Kobe does come across at times as
>fake and insincere. All of the things are true and all are
>reasons why I can understand why people would not like him
>personally, but it has nothing to do with the fact he is the
>best player in the game of basketball right now. The fact that
>things off the court are affecting people's opinion of him on
>the court is what is wrong. Only one thing is going to quiet
>the critics and that is a championship. It doesn't matter if
>Kobe gets to Game 7 of the NBA Finals and loses the critics
>will be there. The only way Kobe ever gets the love he wants
>is to take a team to a championship.
>
>The worst thing that probably happen to Bean is playing like
>Magic Johnson in those first 3 games because it gave him a
>false sense of security. He started to trust the media, trust
>the fans and most importantly trust his teammates. Kobe didn't
>let down his teammates his teammates let him down. Kobe was
>not the reason the Lakers didn't close out the Suns. Smush
>Parker, Kwame Brown, Luke Walton, Brian Cook and etc etc were
>the reasons the Lakers aren't playing the Clippers right now,
>but that doesn't matter because the only person people focus
>on is Bean.
>
>So to go back to the original question did Kobe quit? The
>answer to that is yes, but not in the 2nd half of Game 7. He
>quit believing that people wouldn't judge him by what happen
>in Colorado. He quit believing that people wouldn't judge him
>by what happened with Shaq. He quit believing that people
>wouldn't criticize him for doing what he believed they wanted
>him to do. He quit believing that he had to be Darth Kobe.


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>When 22 writers keep you off their MVP ballots it is personal.
>Kobe has crossed over into Barry Bonds and Terrell Owens land.
>It doesn't matter what he does he is going to get slammed. It
>has nothing to do with Kobe the basketball player, but Kobe
>the person. There are several players in the NBA who play a
>similar game as Kobe's. None of them play it as well and none
>of them are hated the way Kobe is.


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in years.

"Is it not one father that all of us have? Is it not one God that has created us? Why is it that we deal treacherously with one another?" --Malachi 2:10

>The whole premise of the Darth Kobe persona is the fact that
>Bryant had realized that the majority of people, players and
>media will never like him regardless of what he does

NONSENSE!

and to
>use that as fuel to destroy everything in his wake. Up to this
>point it was working, but for the first time I believe Kobe
>did what he thought "YOU" wanted him to do instead of what he
>wanted to do. In the back of his mind he knew that he could
>probably score 60 points and the Lakers would still lose by
>20.

and THAT'S what he should have done, dammit!!!

He also knew if that happened he would absolutely get
>crushed the next day by the media, so instead he attempted to
>get his teammates involved in the 2nd half.

How DARE HE!

Unfortunately
>without Kobe keeping them close the team showed why Kobe
>should have been the MVP as they continuously blew opportunity
>after opportunity and a 15-point lead quickly grew to a
>25-point lead for the Suns.

basically.

>I must admit I have to laugh when I heard media and fans alike
>pointing out the fact that Michael Jordan would have never
>gone out like that. They like to point out specifically the
>fact that Michael Jordan dropped 63 on the Celtics in a
>clinching OT loss. Kobe had just dropped 50 in a loss and was
>roundly slammed. You think the criticism is bad now just
>imagine if Kobe had dropped 60 and the Lakers lost, do you
>really think the media would have commended him on going down
>with no bullets in his gun? If you do then you are simply
>na�ve or ignorant to the fact that the hate for Bean runs
>deep.

basically.


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And you had alot of valid MVP players this year. Laker fans can not be mad at that at all imo. And that whole "he didn't shoot alot in the 4th because he was passing so much" shit is so false when you consider he shot the ball 14 times in the first half. He just clammed the fuck up, and this IS NOT THE FIRST TIME he's done it. And what's ironic is the "greatest scorer in the league" didn't attempt to score on one of the weakest defenses in the NBA in crunch time....I ain't buying it. He averaged 40 pts on them in the regular season. Laker fans need to just realize what they have as a franchise player. They basically have a healthy TMac. Lol. Anyway the excuses for that performance is just sad. Even if you ignore that 4th quarter fact remains they still lost three in a row. If kobe is such a good leader he should have motivated his team more. What ever he had to do to win.

lmao spm u a weird cat....what about when AI won the award? if you wanna say kobe aint win it cuz he didnt have enough wins then aight. but dont use that dumbass reason you just used. the year ai won he scored a bunch of points, i think the nigga shot like 42% lol, avg'ed about the same number of assists kobe did this year, and like 3 boards a game. there's only one reason possible you can be FIRST on niggaz ballots and then not EVEN ON other niggaz ballots....

hate. nothin else. just hatred.

>And you had alot of valid MVP players this year. Laker fans
>can not be mad at that at all imo. And that whole "he didn't
>shoot alot in the 4th because he was passing so much" shit is
>so false when you consider he shot the ball 14 times in the
>first half. He just clammed the fuck up, and this IS NOT THE
>FIRST TIME he's done it. And what's ironic is the "greatest
>scorer in the league" didn't attempt to score on one of the
>weakest defenses in the NBA in crunch time....I ain't buying
>it. He averaged 40 pts on them in the regular season.

and we lost over and over again. so obviously, it wasn't a great recipe for success.


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And won like 15 straight at one point in the year. Kobe team was garbage so he didn't win. Same reason AI didn't win last year or this year. Who cares if you score over 30 points if you team is garbage.

>if you wanna say kobe aint win it cuz he didnt have enough
>wins then aight.

plus you know bein in the east really helped yall cause lol.


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>If kobe is such a good leader he should have motivated his
>team more.

How is a grown man going to tell another grown man to do something that he can't do on his own. If you need a teammate to inspire you to play, you are a bitch. You know your role, you know your job. Do it.

Everyone who dislikes Kobe says he wants to Mike. Yet one of the biggest criticisms, is that he doesn't lead like Mike. Is it ok to be like Mike in some instances and not in others. If he gets in someone's face, he is arrogant and showing someone up. If he does it on his own, he is being selfish. He can't satisfy anyone. He has to go 12-20 every game, pull down 8 boards, and have 7 assists, with 4 steals, and no turnovers. Then hit 82 game winners. Then he might get into the top 3 of the MVP voting.

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and about time it's acknowledged that he ran Shaq out. that is my beef with Kobe on the court&He choked this series away with the Suns. Shaq wouldn't do that. I don't get into Kobe or anyone else's Personal Business because that ain't my business,but on the Court that Fool Choked. Great Player&One of the Greatest Ever,but He choked big time.

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do your homework,Shaq had a really Good series Stat wise.also like a typical Shaq Hater he wasn't the same Shaq that he would eventually become years later. don't get all teary eyed because Kobe spends May&June rooting against Shaq along with Mitch Kupchek,Jerry Buss,etc... bottom Line Kobe Choked. remember:81&done in 1 Round. Kobe is the One on the Leased Raja Bell Boat with his FIshing Pole. He is on the Boat with his Best&only true Friend:Himself. have fun Fishing Kobe.

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Don't ack like Shaq ain't have anything to do with getting swept, nigga. Hakeem schooled that ass, lol...
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it was everybody else who choked, not shaq, because shaq "had a really Good series Stat wise"...and someone else choked the big shots.

yet in our series this year it was all kobe's fault lol.

as if he didnt play great almost every game, hit all the big shots, like the two in game 4, not to mention hittin a three late in game 6 to put us up by 1, then addin another basket to give us a 3 POINT LEAD WITH LIKE SIX SECONDS LEFT AT HOME.






..... and yet HE choked the series away.... lmao niggaz on here are fucken pitiful.


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3-1 lead. Shaq was hanging with Dream. it wasn't his fault the Magic lost that is the bottom line. haters trying to come at Shaq when they know that Kobe&Phil choked big time.

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I ain't talking about "never&everagin," I ain't talking about "butKo&be.Chokked," yes or no, Shaquille O'Neal got swept in the Finals, correct? And didn't he (with Kobe, not "Nicka&nderson") get swept in the Western Conference Finals by Utah back in '98? Let me guess, that was Kobe's fault too, with those airballs. Or was it Nick Van Exel's fault?

The point is, stop acting like St. Shaquille never took hard Ls in his career. I know it's hard for you to take off those Steel-covered Superman glasses, but come on.
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those sweeps weren't his fault.

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That shit aint even fair right there.

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"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
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joining the elite company of Bad N---er Barry and Bad N---er T.O.

And this joint is on point with the exception of the notion that Kobe ran Shaq out of town, a point which, not surprisingly, has been picked out by some in the post. 3/4 of a sentence in a 9-paragraph essay. Faggotry at its finest.
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HELPED run Shaq out of town....someone helping in doing something inherently implies that there was more than one person involved. But cats will ignore what they want to....

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"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
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you don't Need CSI Re-Located to Miami to find the Evidence on that one.Kobe gets what Kobe wants. even though Kobe&Phil both got Egg on there face after that Choke Job.that's what Phil Jackson gets for going back. shaq is doing good,Shaq goes on to a new Round,meanwhile Kobe is watching the games just like the rest of us. 81&done in 1 round. what a year?? keep on thinking Kobe didn't run shaq out of la. next you will tell me that Jerry Buss ain't been Dying that "Rip Taylor Rug" on his head either??

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because of course shaq's contract situation/dispute had nothin to do with his departure


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The talks with the Clippers were serious enough to the point that there
was a legit shot at the Clippers bringing him in.

Geez man, you guys are seriously as bad as the haters.

Was the move the right move? Sure. If I had to make a choice between an old Shaq and in-his-prime Kobe, I'd go with #8. However, they both could have stayed if both weren't acting like children.

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>The talks with the Clippers were serious enough to the point
>that there
>was a legit shot at the Clippers bringing him in.

but that doesn't classify as "running shaq out of town."

sure, it was part of the reason management might of wanted to get rid of him. lol but how about the other factors in his departure yall wanna disregard....so all blame can be on kobe? what about him asking for more money when he was already makin the most cheese in the league? what about phil leavin? what about his age? his weight? his work ethic (or lack thereof)? deciding what was was best for the future? what was the better business decision? lol just throw all that shit out the window i guess, huh?


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Shaq, Phil and Kobe all acted like bitches. I would say though that Kobe had a better hand than what the others were holding. Kobe opting out and negotiating openly with other teams (especially with the Clippers clearing a huge amount of cap space and publicly making it known that Kobe was their #1 offseason priority) is enough to make any sane GM go into Defcon 1.

Also, at the end of season didn't Kobe meet with Jerry Buss and discuss the team and its future? If I remember correctly, Kobe, in so many words, let Buss know that Shaq and Phil were out of there. I don't think he demanded them to leave but he was on some old, "I don't know how I could play with them" passive aggressiveness shit.

As far as Shaq, I think he knew what was up and saw the writing on the wall so he made a big stink with the contract demands. Everyone, including him, knew it was ridiculous. That stupid move is what a lot of Kobe sympathizers use as their backpocket ace in the Kobe/Shaq argument. Shaq acted like a huge baby on his way out, that's why I think he tried to save a little face by taking out that ad thanking Laker fans. He knew he fucked up.

Phil Jackson was just a bitch.

Just a bad time all around.

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either him or "the kid." So, if we're looking for ultimatums, we should probably start there. No, actually, let's go back to training camp, where Shaq was dunking and yelling "Pay me, motherfucker" at Dr. Buss.

And yes, all three of them were/are culpable in the demise of that team. But that's not how things are being portrayed by most NBA observers (on the boards and otherwise), here, it's all Kobe's fault.
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i dont care if phil admitted to that in his book, i refuse to believe it!


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and find out what he's worth? I just want clarification here.

It's funny, if any other athlete did what he did, he'd be praised for "testing the market." But because it's Bad N---er Kobe, he's playing a petulant money game of ultimatums and threats. Because he's so evil and shit.
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when given the chance. All.

However, I'm just bringing up this point because I think Kobe used it as leverage to get his way and pave the way for Shaq and Phil to leave.

A lot of players opt out and immediately sign back with their team. Just getting a raise is all. The usually can gauge their market value from other similar star contracts. Also, couldn't the Lakers pay him more than anybody anyway? He was getting a max contract regardless. I think the Clippers were the only ones who could offer anything near what the Lakers could.

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player in the league, once before his last season as a Laker and once that february.....that woulda nullified the whole situation for Shaq yet he refused it. So I dont see how you can put more blame on Kobe than Shaq, because the latter had the opportunity twice to get what he wanted, and that refusual ultimately led to him leaving.

Kobe was a part of the problem, Shaq was a part of the problem, and Phil was a part of the problem......the point here is that everyone will only admit the first part and somehow ignore the latter two, thats where this shit gets ridiculous. Its only fair to want people to know what really happened, but lemme guess, im just a Kobe sympathizer right? lol.

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"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

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>Kobe was a part of the problem, Shaq was a part of the
>problem, and Phil was a part of the problem......the point
>here is that everyone will only admit the first part and
>somehow ignore the latter two, thats where this shit gets
>ridiculous.

Yes, it does. However, sometimes you guys argue so furiuosly for Kobe that he does no wrong. Yes, there are some Lake fans who point out the bullshit but there are a few that make Laker threads difficult to read/lurk.

Its only fair to want people to know what really
>happened, but lemme guess, im just a Kobe sympathizer right?
>lol.

*looks at avatar and old posts*

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they become Kobe sympathizers.....and as far as my avatar, go ahead and look, hes a LAKER fam, I will defend the organization and what happened to break up my most beloved team in a very fair manner, and thats what going on in this case(look at the accompanying SIG, its heart and tradition, those are staples of the Lakers organization). And Im pretty damn sure you aint look at my old posts because I criticize Kobe more than any other Laker cat on here, so go ahead and look through all of the Laker game threads if you really wanna see how I treat Kobe. Its never about the individual, its about his role in the team, and in this case, the top laker cats on here have been MORE than fair in assessing what happened 2 years ago, yet anyone who tries to take ANY blame off Kobe is simply a sympathizer, so quick to put labels on everything.

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<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

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(and no, Solaam, this ain't necessarily directed at you)

It's like we can't type one praiseworthy sentence about Kobe without immediately following it up with 15-16 sentences of criticism, lest we be called "biased/blind Kobe supporters/sympathizers" (I like the use of the word "sympathizer" too).

For example, if you typed some shit like, "Man, Kobe just hit a helluva shot," you'd then immediately have to run down a fucking laundry list of everything he did wrong on the play: "But see, Lamar was wide open, it looked like he pushed off AND took an extra step, why'd he dribble like that, that shot wasn't in the flow of the Triangle (as if they were Tex Winter and shit), the nigga's fade is off, who lined his shit up, etc."

It's the old Rush Limbaugh-esque "Liberal media bias" attack trick, and the shit's disgusting.
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>For example, if you typed some shit like, "Man, Kobe just hit
>a helluva shot," you'd then immediately have to run down a
>fucking laundry list of everything he did wrong on the play:
>"But see, Lamar was wide open, it looked like he pushed off
>AND took an extra step, why'd he dribble like that, that shot
>wasn't in the flow of the Triangle (as if they were Tex Winter
>and shit), the nigga's fade is off, who lined his shit up,
>etc."


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Also, maybe to the haters a glowing comment may be looked at as being a sympathizer but not to all. I and others can distinguished between someone wearing gold and purple shaded glasses and someone who is objective.

However, it can be hard sometimes. I guess being here in LA and listening to the sports radio here can be stomach churning. Also, the Shaq hating done by the radio hosts and callers is inexcuseable. Some of them act like they could have put Shawn Bradley in at center and still won 3 rings.

Sorry for the hyperbole but I've almost wrecked my own shit while listening to these idiots.

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Those cats are nearly everything I detest about people who call themselves supporters (I cant even bear to call them fans, they are fucking clowns). Hell most media cats are fucking bandwagoning, retarded imbeciles.

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<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

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said he would want to be the man on his own team; but, that doesn't equal trade shaq.

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Buss never properly acknowledged Shaq. Kobe gets what he wants that is the bottom line.

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He ran Shaq&Phil out&He lost big time. went through two coaches&had to beg Phil Jackson back. yeah remember last year?? Shaq was thankful to the Laker fans but he told oyu that Kobe wasn't about shit as has Karl Malone. I don't blame Phil Jackson at all because He told you what Kobe was all about as has Shaq. Kobe was the One who had his side issues&also named dropped Shaq's name. not to mention the Lakers made it to the finals that year.Karl Malone&Gary Payton came to the Lakers because of Shaq. Shaq had to bite his tongue that year. then Kobe got the Nerve to speak out on Shaq to the Press? what a Bitch?? Kobe should have stayed quiet all through 03&04 period. He is Cursed. Yeah Kobe is One of the Greatest Players Ever,but also not worth dealing with at all.shaq got the Lakers to 4 finals in 5 years&everybody knew who you had to go through in LA. Kobe can't even get out of ROund 1. Chokes&is a Bum as a teammate. Phil Jackson wouldn't have left if Shaq had have stayed. Phil knows that Kobe ain't shit.

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crusaders, Rick James, Shaq,EWF, Isley Brothers,Bobby Womack Tiger Woods Ba

~ i can't remember ANYBODY scoring crazy
points and then being criticized after
the game if their team lost. (and that
includes jordan, dominique, and whoever
else did it.) american basketball sports
writers have to admit they are forever
biased against kobe byrant the basketball
player because kobe is a butthole off the court.

~ anybody who says 'all' kobe does is score
needs to remember dude just got named to the
all defensive team. and that in that seminal
game when the lakers stormed back to beat
portland and begin their climb back to the
top of the nba, kobe led the lakers in
rebounds AND assists. the assist part is
fitting, too, because the play that everybody
remembers is that KOBE alley oop pass
to shaq followed by a thurderous dunk and
shaq duckwalking back down the court.

if kobe scores a lot, its because his team -
as shown by game seven - is suspect and doesn't
have enough heart or intensity to win
consistently.

its unfair to say 'jordan would never have
done ________ ', because during his run with
phil jackson, jordan was not saddled with
kwame brown missing five foot layups and
smush parker missing wide open jumpshots.

~ the universal truth about kobe exposed in
that article is that kobe will be hated on
until he wins a ring. worse, if he doesn't
retire THAT YEAR, he will still be hated on
if he continues to play and doesn't win a ring
the next year. why? because folks don't wanna
like kobe, and its obvious to me mugs are
looking for a reason not to like the guy.
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I missed Barkley's and TNT's post game comments so I guess it all stemmed from there. However, listening to national sports radio, I didn't hear Kobe being shitted on. I heard the team moreso being criticized because they could rebound Nash's miss and put the Suns away.

Especially being in LA and hearing Mychael Thomphson and Co. Those guys had no problem with Kobe.

I've only heard the criticism of Kobe after what he did in Game 7.

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>~ i can't remember ANYBODY scoring crazy
>points and then being criticized after
>the game if their team lost. (and that
>includes jordan, dominique, and whoever
>else did it.) american basketball sports
>writers have to admit they are forever
>biased against kobe byrant the basketball
>player because kobe is a butthole off the court.
actually, jordan was heavily criticized for being a scorer unable to win the big one until he started filling up his fingers with rings. it was always questioned whether a "dominant scorer could lead his team to a championship."



>its unfair to say 'jordan would never have
>done ________ ', because during his run with
>phil jackson, jordan was not saddled with
>kwame brown missing five foot layups and
>smush parker missing wide open jumpshots.
ha ha ha, how old are you?? you must have forgotten game 6 of the nba finals in 1993, where in the FOURTH quarter NOBODY on the bulls except jordan scored, except paxson's 3 pointer at the end. they were SCARED to take the damn ball, he was the only one with the balls to do it and the balls to keep them in the game. similar shit happened in game 6 of the 1998 finals against the jazz. pippen's back was killing him, jazz were making a push, no one else from the bulls could put up points and like a mad man, mike kept em in and put the jazz away. let's not forget how bad THAT nigga was.

it assumes that people aren't individuals, capable of rendering independent thoughts from situation to situation.

I am a kobe fan, he's my current favorite player in the NBA. I am NOT a laker fan, but when the other team has no meaning to me, often me pulling for kobe would mean a laker W.

I was quite fine with his 62 points against dallas. he did 56 against the grizzlies several years back. his FG percentage was through the roof. there is absolutely NOTHING wrong with that when you're shooting the lights out and your team is winning.

I was equally fine with his 81 points against Toronto. they were down like 15 to 18 points before he went crazy. they ended up winning the game because of him. fuck those who criticize. they're stupid.

i was impressed by his new style of play this first round, but equally impressed by his ability to turn in back on in game 6 when no one else was producing and they were missing A LOT OF SHOTS AND PASSES.


his tattoo will always look stupid, but that's a non basketball issue, NEXT

cheating on his wife with a hotel employee was dumb, but that's a non basketball issue, NEXT

it's a shame he shaq and phil weren't mature enough to keep it together for the sake of their potential dynasty, THAT's a non basketball issue, it's a personality defect in all three of them, NEXT

i don't care what he does off court, that's not my business. i always liked him for how he played on the court, his hustle, his determination, will to win, willingness to take the shot, to make the play.

he didn't do that game seven. not in the second half. this is the first blemish that i am putting on him. fuck this dumbass article acting like "YOU" wanted him to do this. STFU. I wanted him to play balls out like he always has. how the FUCK do you sit on the bench in the closing minutes of an elimination game that you're losing?? fuck THAT, man. for the first time, kobe the basketball player didn't show up when it counted most. i know he did that tantrum shit a few years back against sacramento when he took like one shot, but this was the playoffs game seven and his TEAMMATES weren't the ones criticizing him for shooting in game 6, the dumbass media was. they're obviously not where he is, he was playing in meaningful games before the age of 20, they're just sniffing what this is about. he was to lead by example and in game 7 he FAILED.
even if they lost by 20, it was his responsibility to leave it all out there on the court, which he did most definitely NOT.

Especially that last paragraph. The sympathizers will say
that he was right because his team sucks. Unbelievable.

I am right there with you man. Almost exactly. One
of my favorite players to watch.

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"it's a shame he shaq and phil weren't mature enough to keep it together for the sake of their potential dynasty, THAT's a non basketball issue, it's a personality defect in all three of them, NEXT"

Apparently you missed this...

NBA Finals (4-1): Detroit Pistons over Los Angeles Lakers
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2004.html

West Conf Semis (4-2): San Antonio Spurs over Los Angeles Lakers
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2003.html



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