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NBA Draft 2012: Comparing Michael Kidd-Gilchrist and Harrison Barnes
By Nolan Ahern

Two of the most talented players in the upcoming NBA draft are Michael Kidd-Gilchrist of Kentucky and Harrison Barnes of UNC.

Both are 6'8", 210-pound small forwards with a variety skills who are projected to be drafted in the top 10 by ESPN�s Chad Ford. Kidd-Gilchrist is only 18 years old, and Barnes is 19. Several things could affect their draft stock between now and June 28, but wherever these two land, expectations will be high.

Many of the same teams will be pursuing these two, or even choosing between them. This article evaluates them based on five categories�athleticism, defense, scoring, intangibles and potential at the next level. Each player will be scored out of 10 points for each category, then those scores will be added up to create a total score out of 50.



Athleticism

Barnes: 8.5. Barnes moves well for his size, but he is not exceptionally quick off the dribble nor does he posses elite speed or jumping ability.

MGK: 10. Kidd-Gilchrist has incredible leaping ability and excellent athleticism for his size. He is quick off the dribble and can attack the basket, and effectively uses his jumping and timing to get a lot offensive rebounds and put-backs�he grabbed 2.6 offensive rebounds per game last season, according to statsheet.com.



Defense

Barnes: 8.5. Barnes is fairly athletic and uses his length to defend well on the perimeter. He grabbed 5.2 rebounds and 1.1 steals per game last year, and if he matures physically he could see significant improvement on defense.

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MGK: 9. Kidd-Gilchrist impacts the game in a number of ways from the defensive end. Last season he averaged 7.4 rebounds, 0.9 blocks and 1.0 steals per game. His athleticism and length are an exceptional combination, and he should be a strong defender right away.

Scoring

Barnes: 10. With one of the purest strokes in the draft, Barnes�s ability to shoot the ball separates him from other prospects. He has a deadly mid-range off the dribble, and can step back and hit an open three�he shot 35.8 percent from beyond the arc last year.

He has some driving ability but could improve his ball handling and finishing skills to add another dimension to his game. Overall, 17.1 points per game last season is impressive, and still is only a glimpse of what Barnes could become offensively.

MGK: 8. Kidd-Gilchrist tends to score a lot around the basket and shot a stellar 49.1 percent from the field as a result. He has great quickness and the ability to drive and finish hard at the basket, and does a good job of scoring in transition and slashing to the basket for easy buckets.

Coaches love guys who can score without demanding too many shots�Kidd-Gilchrist averaged almost 12 points per game on only 8.2 shots, an excellent rate of efficiency.



Intangibles:

Barnes: 8. Barnes only averaged 1.1 assists per game last season, and mostly looks for his own offense. From a mental standpoint, some scouts have been disappointed by Barnes�s inability to take over games or step up in a big moment. He is generally described as a passive personality, but he does have an excellent basketball IQ and understands both sides of the ball.

MGK: 10. Kidd-Gilchrist has a constant motor, and provides a certain tenacity that can infect a whole team. He is aggressive on both sides of the ball, and offensively he is always looking to attack and get his teammates open looks off penetration. Praised for his excellent work ethic, there is nothing not to like about Kidd-Gilchrist.



Potential

Barnes: 10. Barnes gets the slight edge because of his potential to become an elite scorer on the wing. To have such a nice jump shot and a good body to work with is a coach�s dream, and Barnes still has plenty of time to grow at 19 years old. If he could develop some driving ability and continue to hit jumpers, he could score in volume for years to come.

MGK: 9.5. Kidd-Gilchrist does not have the perimeter game that Barnes does, and it�s hard to teach a jump shot even to an exceptional athlete. That being said, Kidd-Gilchrist has tremendous potential as a defender and will only grow as an athletic finisher around the rim.



Overall

Barnes: 45, MGK: 46.5

Kidd-Gilchrist wins the overall as the player who simply impacts the game in more ways. Ford predicts that Kidd-Gilchrist will go second off the board, and that Barnes will be drafted seventh.

It would not be unexpected, however, if a team in need of some wing scoring and perimeter shooting valued Barnes over Kidd-Gilchrist. Everything will depend on the results of the lottery, so it is impossible to tell where each will be drafted, but it is certain that both of these prospects will hear their names called on early in round one of the draft.

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out there that I decided to post, I don't necessarily agree with it, I think Harrison will be the better NBA player, I'm just seeing what other people's opinions are.

Barnes started out with a lot of hype then a lot of people cooled on him but his stock seems to be on the uptick lately. MKG's stock shot up during the tournament to a top 5 pick with some people saying he could go #2 behind Davis but a lot of people are backing off that now.

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why does Bleacher Report always get shitted on in OKS?

It ain't easy... but it sho' is fun

MKG will see the playoffs at some point.


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>MKG will see the playoffs at some point.

even if he ends up with Bobcats or Wizards?

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he's going to be SORRY! Sean May level disappointment.

NBA-ready than MKG

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to be "better" than a lot of the point guards drafted after him but it didn't work out that way did it?

Some players games are more suited to college, some are more suited to the NBA.

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Harrison was supposed to be great in college.

He was not.

He was above average.

For 2 years.

He showed he's a competent stand still shooter. And can't get his own shot and has trouble against athletic competition.

MKG was supposed to be great in college.

He was.

He was a leader and showed he's a more aggressive player. And his team won.

MKG was better than Harrison in High School.

MKG played against Harrison in college. He outplayed him.

MKG was a better in college than Harrison.

There is absolutely nothing that should lead you to believe Harrison will be better than MKG vs more athletic competition.

Not even the boxscores you watch. Or the Bleacher Report. Use your eyes and watch games.

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scorer in and college and will be a better more consistent scorer in the NBA.

Hustle guys are a dime a dozen.

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And when they needed him to score the most, he didn't.

Lol

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is greatest thing since sliced bread so I already know its pointless to have this conversation with you.

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I think I just make sound basketball points based on what I've seen with my two eyes.

I don't have unsound arguments based on complilations of what I've read on the internet like you.

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>I think I just make sound basketball points based on what
>I've seen with my two eyes.
>
>I don't have unsound arguments based on complilations of what
>I've read on the internet like you.

No, you're just another college fanboy that doesn't know dick about the NBA.

You see Eric Bledsoe come off the bench for the Clippers and and make a couple of layups and declare he needs to be a starter.

FOH, assclown.

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Didn't you JUST get hip to League Pass dawg?

You can ask me about ANY Kentucky player and I can give you an honest assessment.

Don't get intimidated cuz I know more about hoops than you. Cuz you sounding real mad right now.

But continue with your, "NBA is about scoring."

When the top defensives consistently win chips.

Continue.

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>Didn't you JUST get hip to League Pass dawg?

I've never paid for League Pass.

>You can ask me about ANY Kentucky player and I can give you an
>honest assessment.

In your opinion, lol.

>Don't get intimidated cuz I know more about hoops than you.

Ooh, I'm scurred.

>Cuz you sounding real mad right now.

Me?

>But continue with your, "NBA is about scoring."
>
>When the top defensives consistently win chips.

You still have to be able to get buckets when you need them. Look at he Bulls, they were probably better defensively without Rose but they had trouble getting buckets and that's why they lost in the first round.

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Okay, thanks.

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Coming from a Bullets/Wizards fan, here.

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my thoughts,

peace.

But Harrison will have more PPG so casual observers might rate him higher.

but I also don't think he has much chance of being a bust.

He'll will be one of those dudes that works hard, does a lot of the little things (rebounding, taking on the tough defensive assignments at 2/3 or 4s in small lineups, block a shot or two, get out on breaks, etc) and will find a role filling in gaps on a team to help them win.

Barnes to me has that UNC/Kansas SF/PF bust potential like a Julian/Brandon Wright.

His upside could also take him to a Rudy Gay type of level but nothing that I've seen or heard about his mental makeup to me makes him worth the risk over a surefire lively grinder like MKG.

If I'm gonna roll dice I'd rather do it with someone who has size or freakish athleticism.

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really neither are that much like him in terms of their games, Wright was a bit bigger & on paper more of a natural power forward if he wasn't so 'weak & waaaaack'(c)Boogie Down Productions.

I was just throwing The (Can't Get) Wright Brothers in there as the yin-and-yang of recent Kansas/UNC busts.

Gimme the Somerdale Scrapper, I was down on him after that St Patrick/St Anthony state-title game because of his dissapearing act in the second half but it's now occurred to me that he's more a solid supporting player than a franchise star.

In that mold, I think he's a safe pick.

>Gimme the Somerdale Scrapper, I was down on him after that St
>Patrick/St Anthony state-title game because of his
>dissapearing act in the second half

you do know that St. Anthony's team went undefeated in back to back years?

a lot of people tend to disappear against St. Anthony's in the 2nd half. That's why they're them.

and you gotta love this:

A year ago, Kidd-Gilchrist and St. Patrick lost the mythical national championship game to Kyle Anderson and St. Anthony, a loss that he says he will never get over and that cannot be erased even with a win Monday night in the NCAA championship game.

�No, but whatever happens, happens,� he said. �But I don�t think it will.�

I've been up on them since Matt Maloney was at Haddonfield, BobbyHurley/TerryDehere/RodrickRhodes/JerryWalker/etc were at St Anthony's, Mikey Edwards was at Eastern, Luther Wright was at Elizabeth & all were in the first Tournament of Champions ever.

My boys & I followed those squads like they were pro teams as kids.

What Bob Senior has done up there is historic.

That being said, St Patrick won the TOJ the year before Kyrie's senior year (when they were banned from postseason) & it was St Patrick that went into that game ranked #1 in the nation.

Michael Gilchrist was easily the most touted player in that game and probably in the country.

St Anthony was in a slight 'drought' title wise heading in.

Part of that outcome was Bob Hurley being a better coach than Kevin Boyle (who basically took a Godfather offer from some Florida sports factory fake-school right after that) but another reason was Myles Mack taking that game by the throat while MKG didn't assert himself offensively despite his team needing buckets.

That sequence of events basically turned the tide back to St Anthony's for the present & forseeable future.

But anyway, I got over that watching him at UK, I think he's gonna be a valuable player for a good team & play double-digit years in the league.

If anything, Barnes has shown far more tendency to be like Wright with his inability to take contact and soft mindset.

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His body control going to the hoop and footwork attacking the rim are incredible skills. He isn't polished from the perimeter but that doesn't mean he is all athleticism.

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>His body control going to the hoop and footwork attacking the
>rim are incredible skills. He isn't polished from the
>perimeter but that doesn't mean he is all athleticism.

His ability to finish at the rim will without question get him points in the pros. Even if his shots aren't falling, he can create opportunities for himself and the others around him in the halfcourt with those skills. And in transition? Forget about it.

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the rim in the NBA. Guys like Lebron, Kobe and Carmelo have trouble getting to the basket at times and I think they're all a little more skilled than MKG.

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when he had trouble getting them at the college level? If he was a knock-down shooter, that would be one thing, but he hasn't shown that ability nor has he shown the first step, explosion or handle to back defenders off him to get a clean look.

I like Barnes but I'm very wary of his inconsistency, lack of physicality, lack of explosion, and suspect handle. If he wasn't hitting his jumper, he oft disappeared in UNC games.

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>when he had trouble getting them at the college level? If he
>was a knock-down shooter, that would be one thing, but he
>hasn't shown that ability nor has he shown the first step,
>explosion or handle to back defenders off him to get a clean
>look.
>
>I like Barnes but I'm very wary of his inconsistency, lack of
>physicality, lack of explosion, and suspect handle. If he
>wasn't hitting his jumper, he oft disappeared in UNC games.

... then Harrison Barnes, who struggled to get looks against Ohio University, is going to be in seriously deep shit.

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is going to leading the NBA in scoring or anything but he's a guy that can make you pay if you leave him open. MKG is a self-check on the perimeter.

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