There always will be an 'after the fact antagonistic remnant' that will all of a sudden emerge out of the woodworks when something that supposedly looked good on paper (Like the Washington Redskins organization *ducks*) came together, but failed to yield the desired results.

PLEASE, in your great foresight, help me to be cognizant of why you 'knew' this collaboration between the two (Dr.Dre & D'angelo) would'nt work. I'm sure we all don't want to hear about it after the fact, for all you 'puesudo prophets/musicians/soothsayers' in our midsts this fine day.

Also, i wasn't intending on refuting anything (as this is all opinions) or chase a nonsensical argument (lesson board style) or be called out my own dag gone name even, i just wanna know what you 'allegedly' saw.

Lastly, if you read a response & get the sense that someone is trying to call you out or bait you into some petty catfight, just respond to the poster with MISS ME WITH THAT.

Ok, who first?

I don't really have high hopes for this Dr.Dre/D'angelo pairing... Dr.Dre just seems too structured, like they're gonna go in and build instead of create (does that make sense at all?)...

*edit*
leave the skins alone... karma beat them

@TheBlackZappa

^

Personally, i'm Pro Dr. Dre involvement. Anti Questlove, but i'm all for the Affirmative Dr. Dre issue.

Just based off the fact that D'angelo is in the process of shedding a large portion of his physical weight off, alone, will redeem most of you guys back over to him.

I believe that both Dr. Dre & D'angelo will have to step their game up to new heights, as the majority of us have witnessed all that Hip Hop and Neo Soul, a combination of the two, has had to offer us and we are no longer impressed.

*scouts honor*

The following board celebrities listed at the bottom, could you'll please use your super duper internet board celebrity star power and respond to this post.

Questlove, Analoguegirl = Okay Artist Board
Galastary, Binlahab, Zorasmoon = General Discussion board
Cyren Young = OkaySports board
Aquamanwrath = Okay Activist board
Jambone, Afkap, Warren Cool, Scorpio, Fire, = Lesson board

it seems Dre puts his best work into himself, and those who will generate money for him... so him taking on someone's project who isn't even in the same fan bracket as him seems odd to me.. the only reason i'm lookin kinda optimistic is because I know Dre is a huge parliament/old school funk fanatic, so this album could have some grit to it.

@TheBlackZappa

That's intresting.

i'm just here for the debate

@TheBlackZappa

Yep, they there.

Do you'll think that D'angelo will be further encouraged to record after witnessing Our Royal Purple Majesty, kill his set with The halftime SuperBowl Performance this year? I know i would. That, or just give up.

Did you see this guy on a 2 string bass?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agtztX9rlJU

I think that that's that ugly fender jaguar bass. The Strings sound dead on it but oh boy does he make her sing.

absolutely no slap and pop on that beast of a instrument... and yeah the strings sounded dead.. but thats how i like my strings...

@TheBlackZappa

I just feel that most of Dre's stuff is too sonically 'polished' for D'angelo's voice.

You know how a lot of Dre's beats tend to have a high-end to them (in terms of EQ...a crispness, if you will) that seem to cut through the track? I just feel D'angelo's muddy, mush-mouthed vocals will get lost in Dre's production - the 2 won't blend well.

It will be interesting to see if Dre strictly lays down BEATS ONLY (meaning no music, just beats) for D'angelo to lay his own music over, or if Dre is going to provide full tracks for D to write melody lines over.

If it's the latter, I'll be pissed...that's for walking jokes like Nelly Furtado, Pussy Cat Dolls, Justin Timberlake and every other hack 'artist' who buys a Timbaland or Pharell beat, puts some shitty 'in the moment' lyrics over the top and release it as 'their song'. (Me? Bitter at today's music scene? Nah...)

I didn't listen to the Snoop/Dre/D track more than 3 times...shit did not do it for me.

My goodness, that's the lane that D'angelo should've stayed in, like Brown Sugar! He sounded sincere and was at his absolute best under those textures, btwn Brown Sugar & Voo, imo.

I think 15 thought that Brown Sugar was way too polished, so btwn the two of them, they went 180 degrees from his intial sound, which resulted in a mechanical sounding pairing, because every Neo Soul album that came out post Voo & Mama Gun's, is a much better listen.

Dre's polish, is far grittier than anything the Soulquarians could cook up and yes i agree that 'Imagine' is a very weak track, considering what Dre has done in the past but let's not overlook that that's something that Snoop Dog wanted. D'angelo may have felt honored to be considered as they could've went with Nate Dogg or many other vocalists. They could've pulled some no named gospel cat from any church to lay something down.

I didn't casually dismiss the whole Voo cd.

The demonic overtones, i personally don't ever need in my life, i have enuff complications & anxieties of my own, that i would never bring that stuff knowningly, into my home. (The chants throughout the cd, The Devil's Pie, The Root, a sound about an incantation that could possibly come upon a person, the photography in the little booklet of the Hatian practice) you have got to be kidding me, or smoking crack.

Didn't meant to derail our overwhelming discssion here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvSLC-q6vS4&NR

He got a much better feel than Victor to me!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzGmhO3Ywcw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMzXtizKcXY&mode=related&search=

He got a better feel than Bill the Buddah Dickens & Victor, imo.

Usually, i can't stomach slap but for a minute but Mark got soul in his playing like Marcus.

he's amazing... but horrible tone...

Mark King's tone, cuts through the mix very well. It's very 'treblely' and he needs that to articulate all those fast 16th note slap patterns & triplets.

he's bad in the same vein that yngwie malmsteen is bad on the guitar..

@TheBlackZappa

...like the part round 3:00...dude can play and wrote some dope tracks!

"He sounded sincere and was at his absolute best under those textures, btwn Brown Sugar & Voo, imo."

I definitely feel you on that, but at least the loops and beats D used on Brown Sugar were a little dirty (like in Alright or Smooth) and seemed to carry the music he put on top perfectly. I dunno if Dre can achieve that same feel.

I was not a huge fan of Voodoo, especially since it took 5 years to surface. The songs seemed half-baked to me, more jam sessions with lyrics rather than thought-out compositions, but to each his own. A lot of people live and die by Voodoo, but Brown Sugar just seemed to have a more universality to it...you could listen to it while drinkin', fuckin', drivin', conversin'...Voodoo was more of a 'hole yourself up in your room and veg' type of record.

Plus Voodoo's dark undetones were such a stark contrast to Brown Sugar that I just didn't vibe off it as much as needed to.

I will never embrace that record because of it's implications. (spiritual)

If i wanted to give 15 the benefit of the doubt, i could just look at Mama's Gun but therein his style of drumming runs parallel to goood r&b. (as i would like to hear it)

15's specialty seems to be hip hop/rock which is what the Roots offer.

THIS dude is dope! the fill @ 1:57 is ill! he should stick to playing rock imo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szDf74NZBWA

Also can someone please tell this girl she should work with better musicians?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4F8B8x596g

It seems that if you know how to manipulate the pentatonic scale, that's all you really need for fills.

Pino is playing that Fender Jaguar bass. Sounds like he got flatwound strings on there.

Let him stick with The Who and leave the R&B stuff to the brothers, lol. (Yes i know Elizondo is Mexi-Amercian..geesh)

She was part of Princes horn section.

The guy on keys is a monster. Fatboy can blow too.

This a testamnet that Brown Sugar was a classic record. I guess it's a easy song to vamp on.

let's build.

AllHiphop.com
3121.com
Wardolphin.com
Afropunk.com
Bling47.com
Fader.com



Who's fucking wit B More right now?

"Freedom is a Lie" - the animals

You a devout Dilla fan i see. (your signature)

I just never had an ear for his sound. I'm not familar with every thing released or produced by him. (Slum, Frank & Dank, etc)

I am aware that he has a massive cult following (not in a derogatory sense of the term) and inspired & still does, many, many people.

Your take on the abscence of his Soulquarian sound would be insightful to hear.

personally I like this dude better http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eeUpIGmu8c ..."Who let bernie outta his resthome?"
OH yeah this dude can play to (as far as this is even him playing...LOL!) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_LlrNbssSI "don't we just love the simmons drums"

That drummer in Candy's clip was killing that kit, sorry i overlooked mentioning him. As she herself knows how to blow that horn. Her & Maceo.

penta-tonic scales...I heard that at school one day, I thought is was mixed alcoholic beverage!!! I'll stick to playing the 2 and 4!!
flatwounds for life...don't play bass myself but if I did...it would have flatwounds on it! I read somewhere that Pino "uses roundwounds with the who"...he "should" play more rock...OR he should call up Paul Young to see if he needs any fretless stuff!! you think when Pino got married his wife was wearing red?? GOD I MISS THE 80's!! lol

What are your thoughts on D'angelo's new direction (the little we know about it) and being Soulquarian free. (as far as we are aware)

The Roots seemed to be in Asia somewhere, Poyser on the West coast & Pino touring in Europe.

I voiced my 'opinion' about 15, not to cheapshot or undermine his efforts (as that's a cowards move) and i appreciate him being man enough for not going on the defensive and subsequently slaying me real good but rather permitting me freedom of speech on his website. That's a good man.

as I mentioned in the "OTHER" D' post about him working with Dre...CAN'T WAIT! let's see what happens! I'm a positive guy so if there is good music being made by D in conjunction with Dre: WHY NOT!
BUT! as much as I'm looking forward to hearing new D stuff, I'd rather hear him make music with quest, poyser and pino...it's a groove thing, I just like it! But hey I also read all the problems around the whole voodoo record, and I could understand if they wouldn't go through that again!
NOT that I was there...or have the inside scoop, but after reading about it you might say you have an opinion about the whole thing!
Allthough it was nice hearing quest say that those 5 years "we're some of the best in his career" ('95>>>'00)...

It just a real blessing to hear that D'angelo is getting his feetback back underneath him again.

Even if what (Dre, D'angelo, Rapheal Saadiq, or whoever else) come up with doesn't nessicarily satisfy us, at least we got another record out of this man. Along the way, i'm sure Dre will reinforce work ethic to D'angelo.

Rez, i seriously doubt Dre will accept no shows to the studio, writters block, or whatever else he would pull on a 'lesser producer'. I'm sorry, just don't see it going down like that.

cuz we all know that D has to much talent to just leave us with 2 albums!
Yo you got anymore cool stuff I need to hear? youtube or anything else!??

I think i'm all youtubed out for now, lol.

I'm bout to go in the woodshed for a few and get ready for tonite. (I worship at the Kingdom Hall)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAoiv2011-s&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHqnqRvcKF8

If you can not only suceed but flourish working under this guy, working with D'angelo ain't nothing.

Dre has been itching to have a vehicle to tap into that funky Parliament side of himself that's been sitting there for years and D'angelo is a throwback to that sound.

Old Dre beats do have alot of the synth and synthbass things going on! Though in my opinion p-funk is all about bpm's! its the "inbetween" funk! I'm listening to "greatdayindamonin" rightnow and it also has this...indescribeble feel to it because of this bass sound i'm diggin'!!! allthough the booklet says it is charlie hunter is sure sounds like one of those old analog moog synths! (this is a track on voodoo, which I know is not your fav...but I'm just talking synthwise!) Also a track which I hear Dre's inspiration is "flashlight" strings, synthbass and all the other bleeps going on! I'm still a student of funk though...
It doesn't have to be difficult funk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qpl17Uqs7Bs I'd like to hear D sing over a beat like this!

DR DRE (n.)- greatest producer OF ALL TIME

lol.

If Dre can capture that 70's feel and update it for 2007/8/9 then the onus is on D'angelo to match that same intensity and not come lazy like all were saying how Jay Z did, over that Show Me What You Got piece.

Trust me Rez, D'angelo don't want to get caught lapsing and have 50 cent coming around the studio offering his form of 'encouragement' about his feelings on D'angelo.

I say that because it's looks really competitive out there and if Dre can get in a zone for D'angelo's album and pop some serious hypnotic grooves off, don't you think that 50 and them would want that same treatment for they albums? Dre can get very soulful with those beats. I guaruntee you, that that's what D'angelo is pushing for out of Dre, it would only make sense. Maybe D'angelo is signed to Aftermath now and got a release from Virgin? Hmmm.

Didn't Jay Z & Diddy both put Show Me What You Got on there albums? Is it that hard out there?

Funny though cuz if you listen to Dre's latest tracks he did for both Snoop and Jay-Z...it's POLISHED as FUCK! And I just don't hear that with D in mind! So he better have Elizondo bring in his P-Bass and Qtron and bring some Moogs, vocoders and a linndrum and we're about to witness something dope!
I hope they let "The Dragon" mix it at the Lady!!! cuz of ALLLL the albums out there....NOOOOONEEEE I say NOOOOOONEEEE has come close to Voodoo! (sorry I know you prefer Brown Sugar!)
Another nice band put together http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMb8BhCXNs4

Snoop and Jay Z take whatever Dre concocts. At least with D'angelo being a musician he knows how to embellish, take away, or just plain leave alone, if he ain't feeling a certain track.

And yes, Jay's Lost Ones & Snoop's Imagine almost are the same groove.

I still perfer Dre's polish over having D'angelo and the Soulquarians butcher his sound & mix 15's drums way up front. The Dilla sound is very amatuerish.

I would love to hear D'angelo over some lush cinematic productions.

a matter of taste!? I feel you are a good critic when it comes to music with a very upfront opinion?...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ql9_5-wwMFk

Your ear seems to be able to appreciate a lot more than mines, as i couldn't stand his last album, or Erykahs, Mama's Gun.

You mentioned that Erykah loved the rhythmn section of 15 & Pino (Pino can get down, as i see him hitting John Entwhistle's lines with ease & i've read about his amazing 80's fretless work) but i saw that situation as Erykah & Common being so inraptured with each other and having 15 in the middle of their love triangle. Mama's Gun ain't do it for me, but Erykah's Live Album is the standard in groove, amongst bass players. She hit that joker out the park. It opens up with bassist hitting that Miles Davis lick and with her background singers going 'Baduuu Badu Baduuu Badu' The she off and running.

Polish ain't all bad, as Maxwell's productions are lush (Dance wit Me)but have an inherant funkiness to them.

Rez, you and i both are gonna see hear some nice things this year, as we have Maxwell on the horizon, Raheem Devaughn, Musiq & D'angelo and whoever else may come forth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlvAwPkTpNE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ggyUJplYbk&NR

The Bible admonishes not to be so easily offended (Eccl chpt 7 vs 9 Do not hurry yourself in your spirit to be offended, for the taking of offense rests in the bossom of the stupid ones.) as you kind've left me hanging when i asked you a question. Was that supoosed to be cute? Was it intentional? I dunno, but that's low class man.

I said "she seems to like the 15/Elizondo rhythm section!" no biggy! I have yet to hear them perform together! but my guess is that they rock just as bad as the 15/Pino combi! 15 being a great hiphop/rock drummer and all...
Feel you on the Maxwel case though! It's more a "slick" sexy vibe opposted to the voodoo "gritty" sexy vibe! You wouldn't setle for a mix of the 2?
Have you heard of a guy named Lewis Taylor? I think you'd like it...dude got serious skills! Sorta the white british D! you should check the song "bittersweet"! Ill bassline, real dark vibe until the chorus...it opens up and gets this motownish vibe...and the end is even more impressing with it's Beach Boys esque background vocals! Dude composes, produces and performs the whole record by himself!
A personal fav...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWYGiIpR5kU arrangement is truelly magnificent!

Sorry for misquoting you. I just would love to see D'angelo away from anything 15 related for a good 4 albums or so, imo.

Rez, i was watching this nature show on lions yesterday & they focused on two cubs they were born from a brother & sister lion that had mated. The concern was that the cubs would grow up and have all types of internal problems because of the genes being to similar from the mother & father lion, which were brother & sister.

Follow me Rez, when i think about the Soulquarians and how they only intermingled with each other, how they cut 3 'allegedly prolific' albums in three different rooms of the same studio around the same time, and so much other nonsense that i saw outta their union, what seemed to of have happened, is that they imploded internally. Almost like an incestous relationship that bears children and the genetic deformities that result.

What we got from the Soulquarians were rogue cd's that had great potential but didn't quite sit right. You loved D & Erykah's ones from the Soulquarian era, cool, your ears are obviously bigger than mines. You can appreciate more. I can't.

Hmmm, i'm going to look into this Lewis taylor guy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5VnvR23lZ8

It's cool...I'm not one to be campaigning for someone else's music! And it's true that they only did make 3 really good albums imo...with a few added tracks to other artists cd's...
I just guess it's nearlly impossible to have so many minds going in the same direction for a long period of time...seems only natural that things will implode or explode!!! what you "thought" all had in common seems to be growing apart as time passes by, and well...that's just life I guess.
And maybe you're right to say that we just have to leave those times behind and go forward...D seems to be doing that! The Roots are continually evolving, Common did a 180 with Be, Dilla is no longer with us so, Erikah is...well I don't know what she's up to!? Life continues!

Personnaly...I'm still finding my way around music, discovering old and new stuff and absorbing as much as possible to try and educate myself, the thing is with my generation, fewer people actually listen to music music...let's just call it a "media brainwash" and it disturbs me to see good music go to waist!

Maybe I'm just ramblin' but that's just the way I feel about it right now...if I ask someone if they know a song by the Beatles they're like "WHO?"...WTF! ok so maybe they've heard about them...but they sure as hell don't know who Brian Epstein or George Martin is, and maybe they know 1 song...SAD don't you think?

Anyway who cares what MOI has to say...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAJtmDQBvF8

He can collab with whoever he's happiest with and i'm sure 15 & them keep him at ease.

I see you like a lot of George Porter from The Meters stuff (as he do have that P Bass of his growling all the time). I read from the captions underneath the video, that that was Charlie Hunter in that clip as well. The drummer was grooving like a mother as well as the horn players and keyboardist was getting theres too.

One thing about music, as Bob Marley said 'when it hit you/you feel okay'.

Couldn't find Charlie anywhere? I might be looking at the wrong clip!?
I think we are being put out of the job http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=446_bJTWk7k "all i miss is herbie"