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"CONSOLIDATION: Katrina Media Coverage"


  

          

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ANDERSON COOPER (CNN) ON THAT GANGSTA SHIT!!! (repost)
Sep 01st 2005
1
Coop is cool.
Sep 01st 2005
26
ever since his days at Channel 1..
Sep 02nd 2005
165
RE: Coop is cool.
Sep 03rd 2005
208
Real Talk
Sep 02nd 2005
64
Shephard Smith too
Sep 02nd 2005
67
whoops
Sep 02nd 2005
85
yup this was great
Sep 02nd 2005
156
anderson cooper is a hottie
Sep 02nd 2005
166
he's also exorbitantly rich.
Sep 02nd 2005
169
      RE: he's also exorbitantly rich.
Sep 04th 2005
256
RE: ANDERSON COOPER (CNN) ON THAT GANGSTA SHIT!!! (repost)
Sep 06th 2005
297
too much too little too late (c) mathis & williams
Sep 01st 2005
2
:P
Sep 01st 2005
7
lick it good (c) khia & envelopes
Sep 01st 2005
21
I love him. He's my gay (him) lover.
Sep 01st 2005
18
      squawk!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sep 01st 2005
22
No one can say they didn't see it coming
Sep 01st 2005
3
Man, George Bush is fuckin' UP! (c) Chappelle.
Sep 01st 2005
5
THEY FOUND FATS!
Sep 01st 2005
4
I didn't know he was still alive n.m
Sep 01st 2005
11
Is it just me or is that "Hurricane Jean Grae" banner a little irksome?
Sep 01st 2005
6
lol. Ive been thinking that
Sep 01st 2005
8
Media coverage?
Sep 01st 2005
9
While I sit here crying and disturbed by the plight of everyone in the S...
Sep 01st 2005
10
This falls under that category.
Sep 01st 2005
13
I just want this subject openly discussed amongst everyone Black or Whit...
Sep 01st 2005
15
Thats what its for to be truthful
Sep 01st 2005
14
PLEASE WATCH MSNBC RIGHT NOW.
Sep 01st 2005
12
Cliff notes
Sep 01st 2005
16
as a self-promoting ass superpower (US) it boggles my mind that
Sep 01st 2005
17
i couldn't believe
Sep 02nd 2005
76
"churches are holding it down, while the government lamps" (c)
Sep 01st 2005
23
PLEASE WATCH THIS VIDEO:
Sep 01st 2005
19
that photographer kept it so REAL
Sep 01st 2005
30
looking@those precious babies
Sep 02nd 2005
95
i can't even take it
Sep 02nd 2005
98
Some good news for a change...
Sep 01st 2005
20
Al Sharpton on MSNBC coming on in 60 seconds...
Sep 01st 2005
24
WHERE TO REPORT GAS PRICE GOUGING!
Sep 01st 2005
25
RE: WHERE TO REPORT GAS PRICE GOUGING!
Sep 06th 2005
298
bush is responsible for gutting FEMA:
Sep 01st 2005
27
from the washingtonmonthly.com
Sep 01st 2005
28
the dude in the video above said he saw ppl die
Sep 01st 2005
31
My major thing is
Sep 02nd 2005
56
      exactly
Sep 02nd 2005
68
      basically.
Sep 02nd 2005
81
ABC Nightly News is doing a good job
Sep 01st 2005
29
yeah i was coming to post about that interview
Sep 01st 2005
33
      RE: yeah i was coming to post about that interview
Sep 02nd 2005
82
      that's what i've been thinking.
Sep 02nd 2005
84
These muthafuckas solution to a levy breach is dropping
Sep 01st 2005
32
i might as well stand there and try and push the water back myself
Sep 01st 2005
34
you got a better idea?
Sep 02nd 2005
42
them sandbags weigh 3000 lbs from what i saw on one of the news
Sep 02nd 2005
52
      they had 15,000 lb. sand bags
Sep 03rd 2005
214
Breaking News: Astrodome FULL
Sep 01st 2005
35
I just saw the interview on CNN about this and...
Sep 01st 2005
36
that probably means cots on the floor.
Sep 03rd 2005
181
San Antonio should be next in line in terms of recieving
Sep 02nd 2005
101
i was listening to the local news
Sep 01st 2005
37
I haven't heard about murders, but the rapes have been mentioned a bit
Sep 02nd 2005
40
      damn
Sep 02nd 2005
41
I normally don't watch Bill O'Reilly, but I watched it tonight
Sep 01st 2005
38
Shepard Smith, Anderson Cooper & Tony Zambado are on it.
Sep 02nd 2005
74
local news fly over with commentary
Sep 01st 2005
39
dogs.
Sep 02nd 2005
43
i saw a man on tv who swam 8 hours with his 3 dogs
Sep 02nd 2005
106
any word on southern, grambling, bama a&m, etc
Sep 02nd 2005
44
haven't heard much about education in general
Sep 02nd 2005
51
other universities are taking students
Sep 02nd 2005
86
im also LOLing how nobody is focusing on the good samaritans.
Sep 02nd 2005
45
good samaritans will save the day
Sep 03rd 2005
218
**IF YOU WANT TO WRITE YOUR LOCAL PAPER, READ HERE**
Sep 02nd 2005
46
RE: **IF YOU WANT TO WRITE YOUR LOCAL PAPER, READ HERE**
Sep 02nd 2005
47
So bush turned down Russia's help
Sep 02nd 2005
48
SAY WHAT?!
Sep 02nd 2005
49
      And Canada....Welp that was Condelezza Rice's decision
Sep 02nd 2005
90
           And Venezuela
Sep 02nd 2005
154
                He, we offered
Sep 02nd 2005
173
Paula Zahn
Sep 02nd 2005
50
I saw that!
Sep 02nd 2005
66
Saw it...I was floored.
Sep 02nd 2005
75
RE: CONSOLIDATION: Katrina Media Coverage
Sep 02nd 2005
53
!
Sep 03rd 2005
219
Image Banks...
Sep 02nd 2005
54
Start with Slavery...
Sep 02nd 2005
55
The bus driver? - Jabbar Gibson, 20, a Hero
Sep 02nd 2005
61
i heard about him
Sep 02nd 2005
88
they BETTA DON'T!
Sep 02nd 2005
104
this cat is my new hero
Sep 02nd 2005
118
Video of Jabbar Gibson...
Sep 03rd 2005
193
i'm PROUD of him n/m
Sep 05th 2005
260
More Images...
Sep 03rd 2005
188
this is seriously making me cry.
Sep 03rd 2005
201
I'm from Toronto
Sep 02nd 2005
57
I am PROUD of our Media!
Sep 02nd 2005
58
Anderson Cooper (CNN) went off on one of the senators...
Sep 02nd 2005
77
Soledad O'Brien just took it to FEMA
Sep 02nd 2005
59
Dude asked the govenor if she blamed herself about asking for troops
Sep 02nd 2005
60
this situation is showing our governments true colors.
Sep 02nd 2005
62
so now women are getting raped??????
Sep 02nd 2005
63
I'm sure there were some cases, but...
Sep 02nd 2005
71
this ran in the LAWeekly today
Sep 02nd 2005
65
good read
Sep 02nd 2005
69
paragraph 3 and 4 were so on point
Sep 02nd 2005
107
So the police are being killed because...
Sep 02nd 2005
70
MP3 of Mayor Nagin on WWL.
Sep 02nd 2005
72
Mayor Nagin is my new hero.
Sep 02nd 2005
78
incredible.
Sep 02nd 2005
89
he's the realest !!..LINK to THE MAYOR
Sep 02nd 2005
123
MAYOR RAY NAGIN IS MY NIGGA!!!!!!
Sep 02nd 2005
73
yo, ?uest, we using this site to try and do big things. we HAVE
Sep 02nd 2005
87
He won't get man of the year like Rudy did though
Sep 02nd 2005
96
*listening to him now*
Sep 02nd 2005
97
REAL TALK.
Sep 02nd 2005
105
he's the shit.
Sep 02nd 2005
126
cause they care more about their city than the gov't does
Sep 02nd 2005
167
why? the local authorities have been just as horrible as the feds
Sep 02nd 2005
162
the gov is the most insensitive i've heard so far
Sep 04th 2005
249
Where the beef? Thats my new motto
Sep 02nd 2005
168
Congressional Black Caucus Press Conference Right Now
Sep 02nd 2005
79
congressman elijah cummings, d-md, just tore it up on c-span.
Sep 02nd 2005
80
yep, to the point
Sep 02nd 2005
83
IS ANYBODY seein this shit on CNN!!
Sep 02nd 2005
91
Jabbar Gibson: Hero
Sep 02nd 2005
92
the two sides of the global warming = hurricane debate
Sep 02nd 2005
93
huge problems w/ equating global warming w/ more hurricanes
Sep 02nd 2005
102
      agreed
Sep 02nd 2005
136
just to reiterate the link in my sig
Sep 02nd 2005
94
This is really missing some critical analysis.
Sep 02nd 2005
99
Go look at N.O craigslist.
Sep 02nd 2005
100
FOXNEWS.COM says BUSH is giving his personal attention!
Sep 02nd 2005
103
Mayor of New Orleans Nagin
Sep 02nd 2005
108
09/02/2005 @ 1:20pm - CNN = Photo opp for President Bush
Sep 02nd 2005
109
An article from A YEAR AGO about the Hurricane Ivan evacuation
Sep 02nd 2005
110
You guys should all be ashamed of yourselves
Sep 02nd 2005
111
those idiots had the means and priveledge of fucking leaving..
Sep 02nd 2005
172
CNN: Bush is on his way to New Orleans.
Sep 02nd 2005
112
finally getting to the convention cntr
Sep 02nd 2005
115
The Associated Press are quite racist
Sep 02nd 2005
113
Quit reposting this dumbass pic. Do some critical analysis 1st!
Sep 02nd 2005
129
      fair enough
Sep 02nd 2005
132
RE: CONSOLIDATION: Katrina Media Coverage
Sep 02nd 2005
114
How the Free Market Killed New Orleans*
Sep 02nd 2005
116
excellent read
Sep 03rd 2005
189
An Open Letter from Michael Moore to George W. Bush (Sept 2)
Sep 02nd 2005
117
RE: An Open Letter from Michael Moore to George W. Bush (Sept 2)
Sep 02nd 2005
119
Oil spill.
Sep 02nd 2005
120
Saw that. Again, "Oil Storm"
Sep 02nd 2005
121
In other News: The Mayor of N.O. is cute
Sep 02nd 2005
122
NO Mayor & Bush talking right now.
Sep 02nd 2005
124
Haha. 1st laugh today
Sep 02nd 2005
127
On CSPAN2
Sep 02nd 2005
125
RE: On CSPAN2
Sep 02nd 2005
128
cspan got that good coverage
Sep 02nd 2005
138
Link to the The Times-Picayune newspaper
Sep 02nd 2005
130
WHERE IS FEMA!!!!!? They wanted security they got it!
Sep 02nd 2005
131
Hillary Duff to Donate 250,000
Sep 02nd 2005
133
isn't Britney Spears from Louisiana?
Sep 02nd 2005
135
      She's too busy trying to get shows in Las Vegas
Sep 02nd 2005
140
      Not a Britney fan but...
Sep 02nd 2005
142
Mother Jones article:
Sep 02nd 2005
134
whatever happened w/the hostage situation in the prison?
Sep 02nd 2005
137
I want to see an interview with someone saying "I need my weed"
Sep 02nd 2005
139
Troops bring Supplies to Convention center
Sep 02nd 2005
141
Int'l editorials courtesy of BBC
Sep 02nd 2005
143
That speech bush just made was fucking pathetic
Sep 02nd 2005
144
Get a rope
Sep 02nd 2005
146
huh?
Sep 02nd 2005
147
      It's that old Salsa commercial
Sep 02nd 2005
153
because they prepared the shit out of that 9/11 speech
Sep 02nd 2005
149
      thought up on a chopper? hes had FIVE FUCKING DAYS
Sep 02nd 2005
150
           so in five days they prepared a speech
Sep 02nd 2005
151
                thats just stupid
Sep 02nd 2005
157
                     I was being facetious
Sep 02nd 2005
160
AND WE HAVEN'T ACCEPTED RELIEF FROM OTHER
Sep 02nd 2005
145
we (Canada) are sending help...
Sep 02nd 2005
158
AP Reports That One of the Buses Overturned
Sep 02nd 2005
148
Damn.
Sep 02nd 2005
152
vote on lou dobbs poll about whether the govt officials should
Sep 02nd 2005
155
how in thee FUCK does *this* happen....
Sep 02nd 2005
159
Anderson Cooper is bitching out Trent Lott
Sep 02nd 2005
161
TURN TO THE O'REILLY FACTOR!
Sep 02nd 2005
163
O'REILLY is an @$$hole
Sep 02nd 2005
164
      RE: O'REILLY is an @$$hole
Sep 03rd 2005
195
historical sites or people?
Sep 02nd 2005
170
Media Moments:
Sep 02nd 2005
171
FUCK THE POLICE -but gently...
Sep 02nd 2005
174
FOXNEWS is interviewing the young man who took the bus....
Sep 02nd 2005
175
They emptied the PRIVATE hospital at Tulane BUT....
Sep 02nd 2005
176
all the stuff i see just baffles me
Sep 02nd 2005
177
STOP. CALLING. THEM. REFUGEES!!!!!!!!
Sep 02nd 2005
178
co-sign!!!!
Sep 03rd 2005
179
I know, right?
Sep 03rd 2005
184
psst
Sep 03rd 2005
185
was that supposed to prove something??
Sep 03rd 2005
212
CO-fvckin SIGN!
Sep 05th 2005
261
for all the media
Sep 03rd 2005
180
for frank castle
Sep 03rd 2005
186
the mayor of N.O
Sep 03rd 2005
182
Bush and HARD WORK...
Sep 03rd 2005
183
OH, LOOK.
Sep 03rd 2005
187
When Newscasters Get Angry (swipe)
Sep 03rd 2005
190
Oh SHit....CNN HEadline News just cut off Tom JOyner
Sep 03rd 2005
191
*DISCLAIMER* I AM NOT ATTEMPING TO OFFEND ANYONE
Sep 03rd 2005
192
WTF are you talkin about....
Sep 03rd 2005
196
yes. ALL africans dislike african americans.
Sep 03rd 2005
207
      I get it I read all of it finally...
Sep 03rd 2005
211
           we all are right now.
Sep 04th 2005
228
you are preaching to the choir.....
Sep 03rd 2005
200
      yeah, really n/m
Sep 04th 2005
231
RE: CONSOLIDATION: Katrina Media Coverage
Sep 03rd 2005
194
The Unasked Question:
Sep 03rd 2005
197
RE: the Helicopter coverage
Sep 03rd 2005
198
What is BET's coverage like?
Sep 03rd 2005
199
THEY NEED HELP IN MISSISSIPPI STILL! 9/03/05
Sep 03rd 2005
202
SATURDAY!!!
Sep 03rd 2005
203
I NEED HELP WITH A DEBATE I'M HAVING
Sep 03rd 2005
204
there have been a lot of rumors and misinformation (LINK):
Sep 03rd 2005
206
Steve Harvey is down in Baton Rouge. Just on FoxNews!
Sep 03rd 2005
205
Tom Joyner Family Reunion... this wknd? On or off?
Sep 03rd 2005
209
they went but they are raising money to give to churches to give to thos...
Sep 03rd 2005
216
Rapes, killings hit Katrina refugees in New Orleans
Sep 03rd 2005
210
why the fuck are they turning people back?? WTF!!!
Sep 03rd 2005
217
this is so disturbing.
Sep 04th 2005
229
BUSH FAKED LEVEE REPAIR FOR A GOD DAMN PHOTO OP!!!
Sep 03rd 2005
213
Bush visit halts food delivery!!
Sep 04th 2005
221
Have there been ANY calls for impeachment of GWB?
Sep 03rd 2005
215
For those who didn't see:
Sep 04th 2005
220
I saw this
Sep 04th 2005
224
Where is the mayor of New Orleans?
Sep 04th 2005
222
have you considered that maybe they're busy actually working?
Sep 04th 2005
223
http://home.earthlink.net/~john_ra/bush.jpg
Sep 04th 2005
225
RE: http://home.earthlink.net/~john_ra/bush.jpg
Sep 04th 2005
226
White House Shifts Blame to State and Local Officials
Sep 04th 2005
227
RE: White House Shifts Blame to State and Local Officials
Sep 04th 2005
236
      My mom told me about that!
Sep 04th 2005
239
This video will break.your.heart
Sep 04th 2005
230
wow. Amazing. And she is the definition of a woman.
Sep 04th 2005
244
Sunday morning cartoon commentary (link)
Sep 04th 2005
232
funny....in a morbid kind of way.
Sep 04th 2005
233
pretty much.
Sep 04th 2005
234
RE: CONSOLIDATION: Katrina Media Coverage
Sep 04th 2005
235
something uplfiting...New Orleans Evacuees married in shelter...
Sep 04th 2005
237
Saw a small news story on CNN, with Macy Gray helping Red Cross
Sep 04th 2005
238
yeah. that was great
Sep 04th 2005
251
Doctors stymied by govermental redtape, patients go untreated
Sep 04th 2005
240
Kuwait donates $500mil in oil products and relief aid
Sep 04th 2005
241
Living Paycheck to Paycheck Made Leaving Impossible
Sep 04th 2005
242
just heard on CNN that several people were just shot on a bridge
Sep 04th 2005
243
Police Shoot man who shoot at Army Corp of Engineer.....
Sep 04th 2005
245
Mississippi Governor Hires Clintons FEMA Director.
Sep 04th 2005
246
I just heard the most heart wrenching thing....
Sep 04th 2005
247
damn.
Sep 04th 2005
254
damn. suicides among authorities...
Sep 04th 2005
248
LA Times: Bodies are Strewn 'Like Roadkill'
Sep 04th 2005
250
Rescue Helicopter Crashed! Reported on CNN!
Sep 04th 2005
252
crew alive, but injured.
Sep 04th 2005
253
There is a bar in the French Quarter operating business as usual
Sep 04th 2005
255
damn they still have people in the superdome and convention center
Sep 04th 2005
257
I just try to post links to...
Sep 04th 2005
258
media can eat a dick
Sep 05th 2005
259
relief funds estimated by the LA times:
Sep 05th 2005
262
Bush/Clinton Fund Raises 15 Million for victims all ready.
Sep 05th 2005
263
Oprah is headed to Houston.
Sep 05th 2005
264
Go Oprah.
Sep 05th 2005
266
As of Sunday doctors were still held out of city.
Sep 05th 2005
265
yet even MORE embarrassment...n/m
Sep 05th 2005
273
I was gonna say, I can't believe that Bush, but I will edit to I am
Sep 05th 2005
267
yeah, that is some childish shit!
Sep 05th 2005
268
...estimated deaths close to 6K?!
Sep 05th 2005
269
10,000 deaths according to this report...
Sep 05th 2005
272
Geraldo is keepin it real
Sep 05th 2005
270
"If you scared, then SAY you scared" ~Goodie Mo B
Sep 05th 2005
271
Will Girls Gone Wild try to capitalize off the NO disaster?
Sep 05th 2005
275
After I read this, I got so mad my dick got hard
Sep 05th 2005
276
The United States of Shame by Maureen Dowd
Sep 05th 2005
277
OH SHIT TURN TO BILL O'REILLY
Sep 05th 2005
278
he called Kanye a "dopey little rapper"
Sep 05th 2005
279
      replace rapper w/ nigger and you have now entered the mind of Mr. Bill
Sep 05th 2005
280
Damn -- check out this video
Sep 05th 2005
281
that in my mind...is journalism
Sep 05th 2005
282
      agreed. n/m
Sep 05th 2005
283
Viewpoint: Has Katrina Saved U.S. Media? (BBC article swipe)
Sep 06th 2005
284
Meet the Press video clip......open/honest/heartbreaking
Sep 06th 2005
285
Official: E. Coli bacteria detected in floodwater
Sep 06th 2005
286
Bush investigates...himself.
Sep 06th 2005
287
Murder and rapes might have been fiction??? (SWIPE)
Sep 06th 2005
288
how does this work exactly? i mean with perps yet among them?
Sep 06th 2005
289
      i don't know. point is, i've been hearing conflicting stories...
Sep 06th 2005
292
           the title Welcome to the Terrordome......
Sep 06th 2005
295
A child in charge of `6 babies' (swipe)
Sep 06th 2005
290
What is the mayor responsible for?
Sep 06th 2005
291
he should have been thinking of a way to evacuate the poor folk, even
Sep 06th 2005
294
New Orleans Times-Picayune open letter to Bush (swipe)
Sep 06th 2005
293
Underestimated.
Sep 06th 2005
296
Michael Brown needs to see EVERY SINGLE corpse
Sep 07th 2005
299
Murder and rape -- fact or fiction?
Sep 07th 2005
300
SEAN PENN
Sep 07th 2005
301
Michael Jackson plans single for Katrina victims(swipe)
Sep 07th 2005
302
Marbury to donate between $500K & 1 Million (swipe)
Sep 07th 2005
303
Wow do you have a link
Sep 07th 2005
304
Link (requires registration)
Sep 07th 2005
306
wow. MUCH respect to marbury on that. nm
Sep 09th 2005
320
Reuters: FEMA Wants No Photos of Dead (swipe)
Sep 07th 2005
305
Blame Amid the Tragedy
Sep 07th 2005
307
if only more gov't agencies had responded as quickly as this: (swipe)
Sep 07th 2005
308
Black Poverty Exposed by Charles Mudede (The Stranger swipe)
Sep 07th 2005
309
Bush Blows Katrina (Seattle Weekly, URL link)
Sep 07th 2005
310
michael brown's assistants even less qualified than HE is:
Sep 07th 2005
311
That's a mess
Sep 08th 2005
313
Mexican Army Will Now Assist In Katrina Relief Efforts (article swipe)
Sep 08th 2005
312
Why China didn't send a lot of loot.
Sep 08th 2005
314
LA. Congressman Editorial: When Red Tape Trumped Common Sense
Sep 08th 2005
315
a picture gallery...
Sep 08th 2005
316
Michael Brown on Fox News: WOW (video)
Sep 08th 2005
317
Take a look at this:
Sep 08th 2005
318
People mutilated/murdered at the Convention Center?
Sep 08th 2005
319
Keith Olbermann (MSNBC) GUILES the relief effort (LINK):
Sep 09th 2005
321
Death toll downplayed?
Sep 09th 2005
322
FEMA Director removed from Katrina Relief Efforts
Sep 09th 2005
323
JUST IN: FEMA scraps debit card program
Sep 09th 2005
324
what about all the people who don't have bank accounts??????
Sep 10th 2005
325

Ryan M
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1. "ANDERSON COOPER (CNN) ON THAT GANGSTA SHIT!!! (repost)"
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I just saw this and I have DVR so I'm going to type out every word he said. While talking to Sen. Mary Landrieu of Louisiana who was in the midst of thanking Sen. Frist, Clinton, and Bush the First, Anderson interrupts her and says:

"Excuse me Senator...I'm sorry for interrupting. I haven't heard that because uh, for the last 4 days I've been seeing dead bodies in the streets here in Mississippi and uh, to listen to politicians thanking each other and complimenting eachother...I gotta tell you, there are a lot of people here who are very angry, and very frustrated, and very upset. And when they hear politicians thanking each other, it just, you know...kinda cuts em the wrong way right now. Because there was a body on the streets of this town being eaten by rats, because this woman had been laying in the streets for 48 hours and you lack the facilities to come pick her up. Do you understand the anger out here?"

To which she gave a decent (for a politician) response. She's obviously hurt by this as well, but Mr. Cooper, you said what needed to be said.

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biscuit
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26. "Coop is cool."
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He is always knee-deep in the shit.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

*Effasig*

  

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ronin soul
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165. "ever since his days at Channel 1.."
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the man is never scared

Whatever this becomes,
Whatever words I say, we are the fortunate ones,
And when the days are done I won't forget.

  

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kie
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208. "RE: Coop is cool."
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Ditto! way to verbally bitchslap the stupid politician-- World News Now alumnus Coop.

always thinking

  

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64. "Real Talk"
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And who are you; the proud lord said, that I must bow so low?

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www.juwandickerson.com

  

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67. "Shephard Smith too"
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He's been with victims telling the government agencies on live TV where these victims are and that they need help ASAP. He was at this one spot on the highway all day telling officials the exit number and that thousands of people had gathered there and needed help and directions where to go.

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85. "whoops"
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156. "yup this was great"
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caught it yesterday

  

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166. "anderson cooper is a hottie"
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i saw something about ppl getting raped in the superdome, having babies, junkies on the street wildn out because they cant get any drugs.

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169. "he's also exorbitantly rich."
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256. "RE: he's also exorbitantly rich."
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He is gay.

His mother is Diana Vreeland, who was the editor of Vogue for many years.

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297. "RE: ANDERSON COOPER (CNN) ON THAT GANGSTA SHIT!!! (repost)"
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>I just saw this and I have DVR so I'm going to type out every
>word he said. While talking to Sen. Mary Landrieu of Louisiana
>who was in the midst of thanking Sen. Frist, Clinton, and Bush
>the First, Anderson interrupts her and says:
>
>"Excuse me Senator...I'm sorry for interrupting. I haven't
>heard that because uh, for the last 4 days I've been seeing
>dead bodies in the streets here in Mississippi and uh, to
>listen to politicians thanking each other and complimenting
>eachother...I gotta tell you, there are a lot of people here
>who are very angry, and very frustrated, and very upset. And
>when they hear politicians thanking each other, it just, you
>know...kinda cuts em the wrong way right now. Because there
>was a body on the streets of this town being eaten by rats,
>because this woman had been laying in the streets for 48 hours
>and you lack the facilities to come pick her up. Do you
>understand the anger out here?"

that's real...

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2. "too much too little too late (c) mathis & williams"
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7. ":P"
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21. "lick it good (c) khia & envelopes"
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18. "I love him. He's my gay (him) lover."
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I sent him a thank you message today for what he did.

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22. "squawk!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
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i got ur inbox, i'll answer u tomorrow when i'm more lucid

  

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3. "No one can say they didn't see it coming"
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http://www.infowars.com/articles/us/katrina_cant_say_didnt_see_coming.htm

Salon.com | September 1 2005

In 2001, FEMA warned that a hurricane striking New Orleans was one of the three most likely disasters in the U.S. But the Bush administration cut New Orleans flood control funding by 44 percent to pay for the Iraq war.

Biblical in its uncontrolled rage and scope, Hurricane Katrina has left millions of Americans to scavenge for food and shelter and hundreds to thousands reportedly dead. With its main levee broken, the evacuated city of New Orleans has become part of the Gulf of Mexico. But the damage wrought by the hurricane may not entirely be the result of an act of nature.

A year ago the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers proposed to study how New Orleans could be protected from a catastrophic hurricane, but the Bush administration ordered that the research not be undertaken. After a flood killed six people in 1995, Congress created the Southeast Louisiana Urban Flood Control Project, in which the Corps of Engineers strengthened and renovated levees and pumping stations.

In early 2001, the Federal Emergency Management Agency issued a report stating that a hurricane striking New Orleans was one of the three most likely disasters in U.S., including a terrorist attack on New York City. But by 2003 the federal funding for the flood control project essentially dried up as it was drained into the Iraq war.

In 2004, the Bush administration cut the Corps of Engineers' request for holding back the waters of New Orleans' Lake Pontchartrain by more than 80 percent. Additional cuts at the beginning of this year (for a total reduction in funding of 44.2 percent since 2001) forced the Corps to impose a hiring freeze. The Senate had debated adding funds for fixing New Orleans levees, but it was too late.

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5. "Man, George Bush is fuckin' UP! (c) Chappelle."
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Really, how many times must people see how terrible this dude is at...um...everything?

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4. "THEY FOUND FATS!"
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<----- The reason your team's players jump into the stands after a TD

  

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11. "I didn't know he was still alive n.m"
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6. "Is it just me or is that "Hurricane Jean Grae" banner a little irksome?"
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8. "lol. Ive been thinking that"
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However, it is completely out of my hands

  

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9. "Media coverage?"
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10. "While I sit here crying and disturbed by the plight of everyone in the S..."
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I really would like to discuss the issue of Race/Media coverage. Can we please discuss this in this forum as one of the topics/concerns regarding relief and equality.


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13. "This falls under that category."
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15. "I just want this subject openly discussed amongst everyone Black or Whit..."
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in this thread.



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14. "Thats what its for to be truthful"
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More on the news coverage itself, then the actual news.

  

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12. "PLEASE WATCH MSNBC RIGHT NOW."
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They are BREAKING IT *DOWN*

MSNBC: "Where has the president BEEN for the past week?"

Tell it.............

EDIT: "At 5:11 PM today is the first time I saw a national gaurdsman on the ground." ~Joe Scarborough, MSNBC

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16. "Cliff notes"
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its horrible.
this sort of response for this country is atrocious
this is uncalled for....
people may end up dying from hunger...

but there is nothing wrong with being odd. i mean you arent inkast or adwhizz odd. - VABestBBW
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17. "as a self-promoting ass superpower (US) it boggles my mind that"
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we cannot assist or support the South right now.

at least 93 million was assessed within the past 3 days but what the fuck is the problem.

Refugee camps are better organized than this right now.

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76. "i couldn't believe"
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that there were ppl talking on the news and ppl covered w/ makeshift shrouds behind them....

wtf???

and i've heard things floating about like, "we helped the tsunami ppl, why aren't they sending money now??"

as my best friend put it: "those ppl are living on $1.50 a day to make the $120 nikes you bought for your kid last week".

basically.

it's awful. completely awful.

and we cannot forget that these people didn't leave because they HAD NO WAY OUT. it wasn't "let's ride out the storm"....

i've heard abt the situation of the poor in nawlins. ain't cute.


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23. ""churches are holding it down, while the government lamps" (c)"
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joe scarborough...

  

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19. "PLEASE WATCH THIS VIDEO:"
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http://video.msn.com/v/us/v.htm?g=af26924b-f106-47a8-aae3-4e70f5eff2e4&f=copy+


«SiG»
“Stand out firmly for Justice as witness before God, even against yourselves, against your kin and against your parents, against people who are rich or poor. Do not follow your inclinations or desires lest you deviate from Justice."
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30. "that photographer kept it so REAL"
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he converyed a different story than what i saw on primetime

**ima show u how to get ya shine on**

give me dat million dolla beat and let me show you what to do wit it/ who dat is?/ that's the illest rapper chopped and screwin' it/ couldn't snatch the game is what they told me so i'm provin' it (c) cham

  

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95. "looking@those precious babies"
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have me in tears

just looking at this video

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98. "i can't even take it"
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looking and thinking about those mothers with their babies
i cry every time i think about it

i want to drive down there now

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20. "Some good news for a change..."
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Lemme just say this, the PEOPLE are doing a wonderful job with regards to donating, volunteering, etc... There is even this couple in Houston who is starting an adopt-a-family program where they will take in a displaced N.O. family for 30 DAYS... I was like DAMN.

So basically, American citizens are trying to come together the best way they can... It's the GOVERNMENT that's fuckin the shit up.

Let's never forget these past few days of how badly they treated our people in New Orleans... But lets not lose faith in PEOPLE in general.

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24. "Al Sharpton on MSNBC coming on in 60 seconds..."
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25. "WHERE TO REPORT GAS PRICE GOUGING!"
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http://gaswatch.energy.gov/

Also contact your state's attorney general...

Alabama: Troy King (R) (334) 242-7300
State House, 11 S. Union St. Montgomery, AL 36130
http://www.ago.state.al.us

Alaska: David W. Márquez* (R) (907) 465-3600
P.O. Box 110300, Diamond Courthouse, Juneau, AK 99811-0300
http://www.law.state.ak.us/

American Samoa: Malaetasi M. Togafau (684) 633-4163
American Samoa Gov't, Exec. Ofc. Bldg, Utulei, Territory of American Samoa, Pago Pago, AS 96799
http://www.samoanet.com/asg/asgdla97.html

Arizona: Terry Goddard (D) (602) 542-4266
1275 W. Washington St., Phoenix, AZ 85007
http://www.azag.gov/

Arkansas: Mike Beebe (D) (800) 482-8982
200 Tower Bldg., 323 Center St., Little Rock, AR 72201-2610
http://www.ag.state.ar.us

California: Bill Lockyer (D) (916) 445-9555
1300 I St., Ste. 1740, Sacramento, CA 95814
http://caag.state.ca.us

Colorado: John Suthers (R) (303) 866-4500
1525 Sherman Street, Denver, CO 80203
http://www.ago.state.co.us

Connecticut: Richard Blumenthal (D) (860) 808-5318
55 Elm St., Hartford, CT 06141-0120
http://www.cslib.org/attygenl/

Delaware: M. Jane Brady (R) (302) 577-8338
Carvel State Office Bldg., 820 N. French St., Wilmington, DE 19801
http://www.state.de.us/attgen

District of Columbia: Robert Spagnoletti (D) (202) 724-1305
John A. Wilson Building, 1350 PA Ave, NW Suite 409, Washington, DC 20009
http://occ.dc.gov

Florida: Charlie Crist (R) (850) 414-3300
The Capitol, PL 01, Tallahassee, FL 32399-1050
http://myfloridalegal.com/

Georgia: Thurbert E. Baker (D) (404) 656-3300
40 Capitol Square, SW, Atlanta, GA 30334-1300
http://ganet.org/ago/

Guam: Douglas Moylan (671) 475-3409
Judicial Center Bldg., Ste. 2-200E, 120 W. O'Brien Dr., Hagatna, Guam 96910
http://www.guamattorneygeneral.com/

Hawaii: Mark J. Bennett (R) (808) 586-1500
425 Queen St., Honolulu, HI 96813
http://www.state.hi.us/ag/index.html

Idaho: Lawrence Wasden (R) (208) 334-2400
Statehouse, Boise, ID 83720-1000
http://www2.state.id.us/ag/

Illinois: Lisa Madigan (D) (312) 814-3000
James R. Thompson Ctr., 100 W. Randolph St., Chicago, IL 60601
http://www.ag.state.il.us

Indiana: Steve Carter (R) (317) 232-6201
Indiana Government Center South - 5th Floor, 402 West Washington Street, Indianapolis, IN 46204
http://www.in.gov/attorneygeneral/

Iowa: Tom Miller (D) (515) 281-5164
Hoover State Office Bldg., 1305 E. Walnut, Des Moines, IA 50319
http://www.IowaAttorneyGeneral.org

Kansas: Phill Kline (R) (785) 296-2215
120 S.W. 10th Ave., 2nd Fl., Topeka, KS 66612-1597
http://www.ink.org/public/ksag

Kentucky: Greg Stumbo (D) (502) 696-5300
State Capitol, Rm. 116, Frankfort, KY 40601
http://ag.ky.gov

Louisiana: Charles Foti (D) (225) 342-7013
P.O. Box 94095, Baton Rouge, LA 70804-4095
http://www.ag.state.la.us/

Maine: G. Steven Rowe (D) (207) 626-8800
State House Station 6, Augusta, ME 04333
http://www.state.me.us/ag

Maryland: J. Joseph Curran Jr. (D) (410) 576-6300
200 St. Paul Place, Baltimore, MD 21202-2202
http://www.oag.state.md.us

Massachusetts: Tom Reilly (D) (617) 727-2200
1 Ashburton Place, Boston, MA 02108-1698
http://www.ago.state.ma.us

Michigan: Mike Cox (R) (517) 373-1110
P.O.Box 30212, 525 W. Ottawa St., Lansing, MI 48909-0212
http://www.ag.state.mi.us

Minnesota: Mike Hatch (D) (651) 296-3353
State Capitol, Ste. 102, St. Paul, MN 55155
http://www.ag.state.mn.us

Mississippi: Jim Hood (D) (601) 359-3680
Department of Justice, P.O. Box 220, Jackson, MS 37205-0220
http://www.ago.state.ms.us/

Missouri: Jeremiah W. (Jay) Nixon (D) (573) 751-3321
Supreme Ct. Bldg., 207 W. High St., Jefferson City, MO 65101
http://www.ago.state.mo.us

Montana: Mike McGrath (D) (406) 444-2026
Justice Bldg., 215 N. Sanders, Helena, MT 59620-1401
http://doj.state.mt.us/

Nebraska: Jon Bruning (R) (402) 471-2682
State Capitol, P.O.Box 98920, Lincoln, NE 68509-8920
http://www.nol.org/home/ago

Nevada: Brian Sandoval (R) (775) 684-1100
Old Supreme Ct. Bldg., 100 N. Carson St., Carson City, NV 89701
http://ag.state.nv.us/

New Hampshire: Kelly Ayotte (603) 271-3658
State House Annex, 25 Capitol St., Concord, NH 03301-6397
http://www.state.nh.us/nhdoj/

New Jersey: Peter C. Harvey (609) 292-8740
Richard J. Hughes Justice Complex, 25 Market St., CN 080, Trenton, NJ 08625
http://www.state.nj.us/lps/

New Mexico: Patricia A. Madrid (D) (505) 827-6000
P.O. Drawer 1508, Sante Fe, NM 87504-1508
http://www.ago.state.nm.us

New York: Eliot Spitzer (D) (518) 474-7330
Dept. of Law - The Capitol, 2nd fl., Albany, NY 12224
http://www.oag.state.ny.us

North Carolina: Roy Cooper (D) (919) 716-6400
Dept. of Justice, P.O.Box 629, Raleigh, NC 27602-0629
http://www.ncdoj.com/default.jsp

North Dakota: Wayne Stenehjem (R) (701) 328-2210
State Capitol, 600 E. Boulevard Ave., Bismarck, ND 58505-0040
http://www.ag.state.nd.us

Northern Mariana Islands: Pamela Brown (670) 664-2341
Caller Box 10007, Capitol Hill, Saipan, MP 95960
http://www.cnmiago.gov.mp/

Ohio: Jim Petro (R) (614) 466-4320
State Office Tower, 30 E. Broad St., Columbus, OH 43266-0410
http://www.ag.state.oh.us

Oklahoma: W. A. Drew Edmondson (D) (405) 521-3921
State Capitol, Rm. 112, 2300 N. Lincoln Blvd., Oklahoma City, OK 73105
http://www.oag.state.ok.us

Oregon: Hardy Myers (D) (503) 378-4732
Justice Bldg., 1162 Court St., NE, Salem, OR 97301
http://www.doj.state.or.us

Pennsylvania: Tom Corbett (R) (717) 787-3391
1600 Strawberry Square, Harrisburg, PA 17120
http://www.attorneygeneral.gov

Puerto Rico: Roberto J. Sanchez-Ramos
GPO Box 902192, San Juan, PR 00902-0192
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Rhode Island: Patrick Lynch (D) (401) 274-4400
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South Carolina: Henry McMaster (R) (803) 734-3970
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South Dakota: Larry Long (R) (605) 773-3215
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Tennessee: Paul G. Summers (D) (615) 741-5860
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Texas: Greg Abbott (R) (512) 463-2100
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Utah: Mark Shurtleff (R) (801) 538-9600
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Vermont: William H. Sorrell (D) (802) 828-3173
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Virgin Islands: Kerry Drue (Acting) (340) 774-5666
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Virginia: Judith W. Jagdmann (R) (804) 786-2071
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Washington: Rob McKenna (R) (360) 753-6200
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West Virginia: Darrell V. McGraw Jr. (D) (304) 558-2021
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Wisconsin: Peg Lautenschlager (D) (608) 266-1221
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Wyoming: Pat Crank (D) (307) 777-7841
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from the paper i write for:

this is an article from 9/2004 predicting disaster, based upon what they did to FEMA.

cliff notes version - bush appointed a dude to head FEMA who had absolutely NO experience in disaster management. first thing they did was to deny that it was a federal responsibility, slash the budget, and privatize the services. dude then bounced in '03, replaced by an underling (current FEMA head), who is equally unqualified. this shit is galling...


Disaster in the making

As FEMA weathers a storm of Bush administration policy and budget changes, protection from natural hazards may be trumped by �homeland security�

B Y J O N E L L I S T O N

Fridays don't get much busier than this. It's the morning of Sept. 3, and Federal Emergency Management Agency headquarters in Washington, D.C., is running at a full clip, having mobilized a cadre of disaster-response specialists in its National Emergency Operations Center the day before. "This is our 'war room,'" a FEMA employee explains.

September 22, 2004
C O V E R F E A T U R E
"Right now we're in 24-hours-a-day activation," he says. "It's a double-whammy." Indeed, the agency is still busy helping Florida recover from Hurricane Charley's punishing winds and rain when satellite images show that an even greater storm, Hurricane Frances, will soon make landfall. It appears so threatening that most of FEMA's personnel on the ground, along with 2.5 million Floridians, have evacuated from the storm's projected path.


Photo By Jon Elliston
Pleasant Mann, a 16-year FEMA veteran who heads the agency's government employee union.
Inside the op center, scores of personnel from FEMA and a host of other agencies, including the Environmental Protection Agency, the Coast Guard, the Army Corps of Engineers and the Department of Health and Human Services, buzz around in what appears to be a state of controlled chaos. They work the phones, hover over computer screens and trade the latest weather forecasts. Using a time-tested system of disaster management, they've split their tasks into 12 "emergency support functions" designed to bring in food, water, medical care, electricity, housing, transportation and other desperately needed resources as soon as Frances moves on.

John Crowe, a Department of Homeland Security geospatial mapping expert detailed to FEMA to help track such outbreaks of rough weather, steps outside the building for a quick cigarette. "Everybody's really running into gear here," he says between puffs. "FEMA's ready, about as ready as they've ever been."

FEMA's relatively quick response to the hurricanes has thus far won mostly high marks from Florida officials, who remember well a time when the disaster agency seemed the last party to show up after catastrophes. In addition, President Bush has paid multiple visits to assure storm victims they will get whatever help is needed, and he promptly secured more than $2 billion from Congress to fund Florida's recovery.

As storms continue to batter the Panhandle, no one would call Florida lucky. But with national elections just around the corner, the hurricanes could scarcely have hit at a better time or place for obtaining federal disaster assistance. "They're doing a good job," one former FEMA executive says of the Bush administration's response efforts. "And the reason why they're doing that job is because it's so close to the election, and they can't fuck it up, otherwise they lose Florida--and if they lose Florida, they might lose the election."

Such political considerations may indeed make this round of recoveries go better than most. But long before this hurricane season, some emergency managers inside and outside of government started sounding an alarm that still rings loudly. Bush administration policy changes and budget cuts, they say, are sapping FEMA's longterm ability to cushion the blow of hurricanes, earthquakes, floods, tornados, wildfires and other natural disasters.

Among emergency specialists, "mitigation"--the measures taken in advance to minimize the damage caused by natural disasters--is a crucial part of the strategy to save lives and cut recovery costs. But since 2001, key federal disaster mitigation programs, developed over many years, have been slashed and tossed aside. FEMA's Project Impact, a model mitigation program created by the Clinton administration, has been canceled outright. Federal funding of post-disaster mitigation efforts designed to protect people and property from the next disaster has been cut in half, and now, communities across the country must compete for pre-disaster mitigation dollars.

As a result, some state and local emergency managers say, it's become more difficult to get the equipment and funds they need to most effectively deal with disasters. In North Carolina, a state regularly damaged by hurricanes and floods, FEMA recently refused the state's request to buy backup generators for emergency support facilities. And the budget cuts have halved the funding for a mitigation program that saved an estimated $8.8 million in recovery costs in three eastern N.C. communities alone after 1999's Hurricane Floyd. In Louisiana, another state vulnerable to hurricanes, requests for flood mitigation funds were rejected by FEMA this summer.


Photo By Greg Schaler/FEMA
Then-FEMA Director Joe M. Allbaugh introduces President Bush to FEMA employees in October 2001.
Consequently, the residents of these and other disaster-prone states will find the government less able to help them when help is needed most, and both states and the federal government will be forced to shoulder more recovery costs after disasters strike.

In addition, the White House has pushed for privatization of essential government services, including disaster management, and merged FEMA into the Department of Homeland Security, where natural disaster programs are often sidelined by counter-terrorism programs. Along the way, morale at FEMA has plummeted, and many of the agency's most experienced personnel have left for work in other government agencies or private corporations.

In June, Pleasant Mann, a 16-year FEMA veteran who heads the agency's government employee union, wrote members of Congress to warn of the agency's decay. "Over the past three-and-one-half years, FEMA has gone from being a model agency to being one where funds are being misspent, employee morale has fallen, and our nation's emergency management capability is being eroded," he wrote. "Our professional staff are being systematically replaced by politically connected novices and contractors."

So while they're far from where hurricanes hit hardest, FEMA's Washington-based disaster managers find themselves in the middle of a perfect storm of their own. "All Hazards"
FEMA has dealt with disasters since long before the term "homeland security" came into vogue after the 9/11 attacks.

Created by President Jimmy Carter in 1979 to handle the country's worst-case scenarios, FEMA has always struggled to define its precise mission. In theory, it's responsible for "all hazards," which means the agency coordinates efforts to keep the United States safe from the full spectrum of domestic dangers, be they "acts of God" like weather emergencies or acts of human enemies like al Qaeda terrorists.

In the 1980s, the Reagan administration endowed FEMA with extraordinary powers to keep the country running--powers bordering on martial law, critics argued. The agency became responsible for "continuity of government" plans devoted to salvaging national authority in the event of a nuclear attack. Other plans, drafted by the likes of National Security Council aide Oliver North, laid the groundwork for rounding up rabble-rousers in the event of societal breakdown, whatever the cause. (The troubling implications of the agency's early work had a long legacy in popular culture, thanks to the X-Files TV show and movie, which often referenced the specter of how FEMA-rule would supplant constitutional government.)

As the Cold War ended, FEMA turned greater attention to handling natural disasters, but the agency proved unequal to the task. In August 1992, Hurricane Andrew assaulted Florida and other Southern states with 170-mile-an-hour winds, killing 23 people and leaving a trail of devastation. The severity of the storm caught FEMA off-guard, and the agency did too little, too late to help the state recover, enraging thousands of storm victims. Several days after Andrew dissipated, Dade County's emergency manager famously pleaded, "Where the hell is the cavalry?"


Photo By Walter Coker/Folio Weekly
A sailor in St. Augustine, Fla., struggles to maintain his anchorage at the height of Hurricane Frances' winds.
Two months later, President George H.W. Bush paid a price of sorts at the polls when Bill Clinton shrunk the incumbent's once-sizable lead and came within two percentage points of beating Bush in Florida. It was an important lesson learned for both the politicians and the emergency agency.

In 1993, President Clinton's new FEMA director, James Lee Witt, set the agency on a corrective course. Witt, who had served under then-Gov. Clinton as director of Arkansas emergency management, embarked on an ambitious campaign to bulk up the agency's natural disaster programs while staying prepared for "all hazards." Witt's changes eventually reversed FEMA's reputation for being unfocused and ineffective. The agency garnered praise from both Democrats and Republicans for improving coordination with state and local emergency offices and turning attention and resources to the benefits of disaster mitigation.

"Mitigation is the cornerstone of emergency management," a FEMA Web site explains today. "It's the ongoing effort to lessen the impact disasters have on people's lives and property." Under mitigation plans, houses in flood plains are moved or raised above the flood-line, buildings are designed to withstand hurricane winds and earthquakes, and communities are relocated away from likely wildfire zones. According to FEMA estimates, every dollar spent on mitigation saves roughly two dollars in disaster recovery costs.

The need for more systematic mitigation efforts was driven home by 1996's Hurricane Fran, which killed 37 people and caused tens of billions of dollars in damages. In 1997, Witt established Project Impact, which would become the agency's most high-profile mitigation program.

Under the project, FEMA fostered partnerships between federal, state and local emergency workers, along with local businesses, to prepare individual communities for natural disasters. Impact partnerships sprang up in all 50 states. In Seattle, Wash., for example, the grants were used to retrofit schools, bridges and houses at risk from earthquakes. In Pascagoula, Miss., the project funded the creation of a database of structures in the local flood plain--crucial information for preparing mitigation plans. In several eastern North Carolina communities, it helped fund and coordinate buyouts of houses in flood-prone areas.

By the time the Bush administration entered office in January 2001, some 250 communities had signed up for Project Impact. FEMA seemed sturdy, having found its role and proved itself capable of fulfilling it. But in the field of emergency management, some things can change as quickly as the weather.

Bush's FEMA
From its first months in office, the Bush administration made it clear that emergency programs, like much of the federal government, were in for a major reorientation.


Photo By Dave Gatley/FEMA
The house at left in Wrightsville Beach was elevated using money from FEMA�s Project Impact and suffered no flood damage during Hurricane Floyd in 1999. The house next to it had four feet of water inside. Project Impact was eliminated under the Bush administration.
At FEMA, President Bush appointed a close aide, Joe Allbaugh, to be the agency's new director. Allbaugh had served as then-Gov. Bush's chief of staff in Texas and as manager of his 2000 presidential campaign. Along with Karl Rove and Karen Hughes, Allbaugh was known as one part of Bush's "iron triangle" of professional handlers.

Some FEMA veterans complained that Allbaugh had little experience in managing disasters, and the new administration's early initiatives did little to settle their concerns. The White House quickly launched a government-wide effort to privatize public services, including key elements of disaster management. Bush's first budget director, Mitch Daniels, spelled out the philosophy in remarks at an April 2001 conference: "The general idea--that the business of government is not to provide services, but to make sure that they are provided--seems self-evident to me," he said.

In a May 15, 2001, appearance before a Senate appropriations subcommittee, Allbaugh signaled that the new, stripped-down approach would be applied at FEMA as well. "Many are concerned that federal disaster assistance may have evolved into both an oversized entitlement program and a disincentive to effective state and local risk management," he said. "Expectations of when the federal government should be involved and the degree of involvement may have ballooned beyond what is an appropriate level."

As a result, says a disaster program administrator who insists on anonymity, "We have to compete for our jobs--we have to prove that we can do it cheaper than a contractor." And when it comes to handling disasters, the FEMA employee stresses, cheaper is not necessarily better, and the new outsourcing requirements sometimes slow the agency's operations.

William Waugh, a disaster expert at Georgia State University who has written training programs for FEMA, warns that the rise of a "consultant culture" has not served emergency programs well. "It's part of a widespread problem of government contracting out capabilities," he says. "Pretty soon governments can't do things because they've given up those capabilities to the private sector. And private corporations don't necessarily maintain those capabilities."

The push for privatization wasn't the only change that raised red flags at FEMA. As a 2004 article in the Journal of Homeland Security and Emergency Management would later note, "Allbaugh brought about several internal, though questionably effective, reorganizations of FEMA. The Bush-Allbaugh FEMA diminished the Clinton administration's organizational emphasis on disaster mitigation."

In February 2001, for example, the Bush administration proposed eliminating Project Impact, a move approved by Congress later in the year. (On the very day the White House proposal was submitted, a magnitude 6.8 earthquake rocked Washington state, which was home to several communities where Project Impact had sponsored quake mitigation efforts.) Ending the project and trimming other FEMA programs, the White House argued, would save roughly $200 million. In its place, FEMA instituted a new program of mitigation grants that are awarded on a competitive basis.


Walter Coker/Folio Weekly
Pine and oak trees lay across houses in St. Augustine, Fla., after Hurricane Frances.
The administration also made a failed attempt to cut the federal percentage of large-scale natural disaster preparedness expenditures. Since the 1990s, the federal government has paid 75 percent of such costs, with states and municipalities funding the other 25 percent. The White House's attempt to reduce the federal contribution to 50 percent was defeated in Congress.

At the same time, Allbaugh gave off contradictory signals on the value of mitigation, on one occasion chastising a community for doing too little to prepare in advance for disaster. In April 2001, he caused a stir when he asked Iowans, then in the midst of massive flood recovery efforts, "How many times will the American taxpayer have to step in and take care of this flooding, which could be easily prevented by building levees and dikes?"

A month later, the Washington Post reported that the Bush administration's moves against mitigation programs were causing worries in disaster-prone states. "Statehouse critics of the proposed cuts contend that in the long run they would cost the government more because many communities will be unable to afford preventative measures and as a result will require more relief money when disasters strike," the newspaper noted.

By ignoring the logic of fully-funded mitigation and other preparedness programs, Bush's first FEMA director earned some scorn among emergency specialists. "Allbaugh? He was inept," says Claire Rubin, a senior researcher at George Washington University's Institute for Crisis, Disaster and Risk Management. "He was chief of staff for Bush in Texas--that was his credential. He didn't have an emergency management background, other than the disasters he ran into in Texas, and he wasn't a very open guy. He didn't want to learn anything."

Allbaugh's troubled tenure at the agency would be a relatively short one. In December 2002, he announced he would leave his post. While political observers expected Allbaugh to join the Bush re-election effort, instead he set about creating a string of lobbying firms, including New Bridge Strategies, which helps U.S. companies win reconstruction contracts in Iraq. This summer, he started another consulting company with Andrew Lundquist, the former director of Vice President Dick Cheney's secretive energy policy task force. The firm's first client was Lockheed Martin, one of the country's largest defense contractors.

The Merger
The early problems at Allbaugh's FEMA, nettlesome as they were, paled in comparison to the challenges the agency faced after 9/11. In the wake of the terrorist attacks, leading members of Congress pushed for a radical restructuring of the government's anti-terrorism apparatus. Sen. Joe Lieberman (D-Conn.) proposed legislation to merge several federal agencies into a new security-focused umbrella department. At first, the White House opposed the plan, calling it impractical and unnecessary.

But then, as former counter-terrorism czar Richard Clarke explained in his recent book Against all Enemies, "the White House legislative affairs office began to take a head count on Capitol Hill." Realizing that the Lieberman Bill would likely pass both houses of Congress, with no credit given to the White House, in June 2002 the administration changed its tune, calling for a new Department of Homeland Security (DHS) that would be even larger than the one Lieberman had proposed.


Photo By Lissa Gotwals
Marie and Bobby Combs of Kinston stand in front of their new home, which was purchased using FEMA mitigation money. FEMA bought and demolished their old home, which was in a flood plain.
Under the administration's plan, 22 government agencies, FEMA among them, would be merged into the DHS. Analysts in and out of government warned against subsuming the emergency agency's vital functions in a new super-department. "There are concerns of FEMA losing its identity as an agency that is quick to respond to all hazards and disasters," the agency's inspector general noted in a memo to Allbaugh. Congress' Government Accountability Office judged the merger to be a "high-risk" endeavor for FEMA, and the Brookings Institution, a leading Washington think-tank, cautioned in a report that such a move could hobble the agency's natural disaster programs. "While a merged FEMA might become highly adept at preparing for and responding to terrorism, it would likely become less effective in performing its current mission in case of natural disasters as time, effort and attention are inevitably diverted to other tasks within the larger organization."

But Bush's proposal won out, and a shift in priorities from natural disasters to counter-terrorism immediately took hold. In its 2002 budget, the White House doubled FEMA's budget to $6.6 billion, but of that sum, $3.5 billion was earmarked for equipment and training to help states and localities respond to terrorist attacks.

Michael Brown, a college friend of Allbaugh's who had served as FEMA's general counsel, was recruited to head the agency, which would now be part of the DHS's Emergency and Response Directorate. When the reorganization took effect on March 1, 2003, Brown assured skeptics that under the new arrangement, the country would be served by "FEMA on steroids"--a faster, more effective disaster agency.

But the merger into DHS has compounded the agency's problems, says FEMA employee and union president Pleasant Mann. "Before, we reported straight to the White House, and now we've got this elaborate bureaucracy on top of us, and a lot of this bureaucracy doesn't think what we're doing is that important, because terrorism isn't our number one," he said. "The biggest frustration here is that we at FEMA have responded to disasters like Oklahoma City and 9/11, and here are people who haven't responded to a kitchen fire telling us how to deal with terrorism. You know, there were a lot of people who fell down on the job on 9/11, but it wasn't us."

The FEMA program administrator says the crux of the problem is that the agency is buried in DHS, which is regarded as a "do-nothing agency" among FEMA's action-oriented staff. "You know, FEMA could do well by itself, and FEMA was starting to do well by itself. But that's changed."

Rubin, the George Washington University researcher, agrees with these assessments. "DHS has done a number of things to FEMA that are making it very, very hard for FEMA to function as it used to," she says. "A large number of people who are experienced with natural hazards no longer are doing that primarily or at all."


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FEMA community relations workers Stacie Eldridge and Yvonne Jubang visit residents of Port Charlotte, Fla., whose homes were damaged last month by Hurricane Charley.
On Aug. 4, 2003, Brown announced that FEMA would at least be permitted to keep its name, if not its status as an independent agency. He has insisted that FEMA will stay prepared for "all hazards," even the non-terrorist ones. "Yes, it's a new world, it's a dangerous world, and the Department of Homeland Security will have a focus on terrorism, but it's not the only focus," he said in early 2003.

But the tension between Brown's competing duties has proven unavoidable. In May 2003, for example, the DHS staged TOPOFF 2--officially billed as "the largest homeland security exercise in the history of the United States"--to test the government's ability to deal with a terrorist attack with weapons of mass destruction. The same week of the exercise, hundreds of real-life tornadoes ripped through the Midwest, causing some FEMA staffers to find themselves torn between practicing for terrorism and handling an actual natural disaster. And while resources for the DHS exercise were readily available, according to Mann, FEMA's headquarters staff was forced, that same summer, to cancel disaster training drills due to budget shortfalls.

Whither mitigation?
In 2003, Congress approved a White House proposal to cut FEMA's Hazard Mitigation Grant Program (HMGP) in half. Previously, the federal government was committed to invest 15 percent of the recovery costs of a given disaster in mitigating future problems. Under the Bush formula, the feds now cough up only 7.5 percent.

Such post-disaster mitigation efforts, specialists say, are a crucial way of minimizing future losses. It's after a disaster strikes, they argue, that the government can best take the steps necessary to avoid repeat problems, because that's when officials and storm victims are most receptive to mitigation plans.

Larry Larson is executive director of the Association of State Floodplain Managers, an organization that keeps a close eye on mitigation matters. The Bush administration, he says, is "being penny-wise and pound foolish" by cutting the HMGP formula. His group has pressed Congress to restore the federal investment to 15 percent of disaster costs, and he expects that some legislators will soon take up the cause on their own. "Florida's going to be looking for mitigation money so that they can rebuild in a safer fashion," he says. "I'm sure that the Florida delegation is going to be thinking now about how the state can't do what's needed with the recent cuts in post-disaster mitigation--how they can't do today what they could have done before."

Pressed on this issue, Bush administration officials have said that the formula puts more of the mitigation burden on state governments, where it belongs. But the National Emergency Management Association (NEMA) points out that, now more than ever, cash-strapped states cannot afford to pick up the balance. "The federal focus on terrorism preparedness has left states with an increased responsibility to provide support for natural disasters and emergencies," noted a report released by the association this summer. "State budget shortfalls have given emergency management programs less to work with, at a time when more is expected of them. In fiscal year 2004, the average budget for a state emergency management agency was $40.8 million, a 23 percent reduction from fiscal year 2003."


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Dorean Wilson, 5, of Belhaven, stayed in her family's elevated home during Hurricane Isabel in 2003. The home suffered no damage.
The administration also argues that its new pre-disaster mitigation grants, which are awarded on a competitive basis, will help states pick up the slack. But again, emergency managers say it's not enough. In recent congressional testimony, a NEMA representative noted that "in a purely competitive grant program, lower income communities, those most often at risk to natural disaster, will not effectively compete with more prosperous cities.... The prevention of repetitive damages caused by disasters would go largely unprepared in less-affluent and smaller communities."

And indeed, some in-need areas have been inexplicably left out of the program. "In a sense, Louisiana is the flood plain of the nation," noted a 2002 FEMA report. "Louisiana waterways drain two-thirds of the continental United States. Precipitation in New York, the Dakotas, even Idaho and the Province of Alberta, finds its way to Louisiana's coastline." As a result, flooding is a constant threat, and the state has an estimated 18,000 buildings that have been repeatedly damaged by flood waters--the highest number of any state. And yet, this summer FEMA denied Louisiana communities' pre-disaster mitigation funding requests.

In Jefferson Parish, part of the New Orleans metropolitan area, flood zone manager Tom Rodrigue is baffled by the development. "You would think we would get maximum consideration" for the funds, he says. "This is what the grant program called for. We were more than qualified for it."

Brain Drain
Within FEMA, the shift away from mitigation programs is so pronounced that many long-time specialists in the field have quit. "The priority is no longer on prevention," says the FEMA administrator. "Mitigation, honestly, is the orphaned stepchild. People are leaving it in droves."

In fact, disaster professionals are leaving many parts of FEMA in droves, compromising the agency's ability to do its job. "Since last year, so many people have left who had developed most of our basic programs," Mann says. "A lot of the institutional knowledge is gone. Everyone who was able to retire has left, and then a lot of people have moved to other agencies."

There are at least at least two reasons for the exodus. On the one hand, FEMA, like the rest of the federal government's civil service, is hitting a demographic brick wall. Its staff of veteran managers, most of them baby boomers, is reaching retirement age.

But another factor is at work: disillusionment at the agency's new direction under the Bush administration. In February 2004, the American Federation of Government Employees surveyed 84 FEMA personnel about the state of things at the agency. The results showed a dramatic downturn in morale: 80 percent said FEMA has become "a poorer agency" under DHS, and 60 percent said that, given the chance to move to another agency and make the same salary, they'd do so.

For some, quitting the agency has become an especially attractive option, since FEMA is outsourcing more and many former employees have found work with contractors. It's an understandable choice, Mann says. "They're saying, OK, I can't develop my career here any more, so I might as well cash out."

Not everyone who has left did so because of disenchantment, asserts Laurence Zensinger, a longtime FEMA official who resigned this year and joined Dewberry, a Fairfax, Va.-based engineering firm that does disaster work for the government. Under the DHS reorganization, he says, some of FEMA's capabilities have in fact been strengthened, because the new arrangement aids coordination among federal agencies that FEMA regularly works with. Furthermore, he says, the rise in public and governmental attention to emergency programs since 9/11 has, in a larger sense, benefited the agency. "I think there's a lot that's happening that's sort of lifting all boats," he says.

Nevertheless, FEMA must now get by with a smaller number of in-house specialists. The irony, disaster researcher Claire Rubin says, is that FEMA will now have to hire former employees like Zensinger as contractors. "Now, frankly, the senior brains and the people with 20, 30 years of operational experience, there's more of them in the private sector than there are at FEMA. It's a significant shift. If the government's going to get smaller and the catastrophes keep getting bigger, the net effect will be to outsource what you need. It might be cheaper, it might be more expensive, but it's not a great way to run this part of government." Following the current spate of hurricanes, she predicts, "you will see FEMA contracts flying left and right so they can get these people back who know how to do this stuff."

"An exposed nerve"
In case Congress hasn't gotten the message, former FEMA director James Lee Witt recently restated it in strong terms. "I am extremely concerned that the ability of our nation to prepare for and respond to disasters has been sharply eroded," he testified at a March 24, 2004, hearing on Capitol Hill. "I hear from emergency managers, local and state leaders, and first responders nearly every day that the FEMA they knew and worked well with has now disappeared. In fact one state emergency manager told me, 'It is like a stake has been driven into the heart of emergency management.'"

Lately, though, Witt has had nothing to say publicly about the agency's performance. His disaster management company, James Lee Witt Associates, recently won a $250,000 contract with Orlando, Fla., to help the city get its share of post-hurricane FEMA money. A company spokesman says that Witt will be making no comment while Florida's recovery efforts continue, out of respect for his former colleagues.

Waugh, the Georgia State University expert, says that the recent hurricanes could serve as a wake-up call to highlight FEMA's drift in priorities. "If you talk to FEMA people and emergency management people around the country, people have almost been hoping for a major natural disaster like a hurricane, just to remind DHS and the administration that there are other big things--even bigger things than al Qaeda.

"This is an exposed nerve in the emergency management community, in the sense that resources have been shifted away from hurricanes, tornados and other kinds of disasters--the kind of disasters that are more likely to occur than terrorism."

Jon Elliston is a former Independent staff writer who specializes in national security issues. This article was funded by the Association of Alternative Newsweeklies and includes reporting by Folio Weekly in Jacksonville, Fla., and Gambit Weekly in New Orleans, La.



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CLUELESS....Could the people in charge of managing the catastrophe in New Orleans possibly be more clueless?

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George W. Bush, President of the United States, six days after repeated warnings from experts about the scope of damage expected from Hurricane Katrina: "I don't think anyone anticipated the breach of the levees."

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Michael Chertoff, Secretary of Homeland Security, following widespread eyewitness reports of refugees living like animals at the Convention Center: "I have not heard a report of thousands of people in the Convention Center who don't have food and water."

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Mike Brown, Director of FEMA, referring to people who were stuck in New Orleans largely because they were too poor to afford the means to leave: "...those who are stranded, who chose not to evacuate, who chose not to leave the city..."

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Dennis Hastert, Speaker of the House of Representatives, providing needed reassurance to the newly homeless: "It makes no sense to spend billions of dollars to rebuild a city that's seven feet under sea level....It looks like a lot of that place could be bulldozed."

This is beyond belief. What's with these people?
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31. "the dude in the video above said he saw ppl die"
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and babies die of dehydration
i dont understand why it takes 3-4 days to get ppl WATER.

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56. "My major thing is"
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If you are going to have a mandatory evacuation of the city before a hurricane comes, you need to provide transportation to those people that have no other means of transportation. Why didn't the N.O. provide transportation to these people to get out of the city before the storm came?

  

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68. "exactly"
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Issuing a complete evacuation of a major city without the means to do so is pointless. Most of those people stuck there had no opportunity to leave. I think some people are so out of touch with how bad some of the poverty is in this country. They just don't get it. Maybe they will now after all this vivid death and destruction.

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81. "basically."
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and i heard there was talk of legislation to "punish" ppl who don't get out when they're warned to during a storm....

um. what about those who have no other means?

and if you're living in the 'jects, you don't have a homeowner's policy anyway...

i still can't believe i'm hearing more about "looting" (ppl are hungry and in shock...i don't think anyone has anywhere to store/use a dvd player right now) & gas than the people down there.


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29. "ABC Nightly News is doing a good job"
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They've provided very good coverage of all the states affected by Katrina. Ted Koppel is gangsta, he just got through getting in Michael Browns ass. I've never seen him react like that before.

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33. "yeah i was coming to post about that interview"
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i'm glad he was taking it to the fema dude. his dumb ass deserved it and all i could think was how quick folks were on the scene for 9/11 and how it seems they're dragging their feet here. i don't want to think it's because of the faces we're seeing in all the pictures, but i know better.

  

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82. "RE: yeah i was coming to post about that interview"
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Ted Koppel told the damn truth.

It shouldnt take this long to get those people food and water.

Its just heartbreaking.

  

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84. "that's what i've been thinking."
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>i don't want to think it's because of the faces
>we're seeing in all the pictures, but i know better.


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32. "These muthafuckas solution to a levy breach is dropping"
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sandbags in the leak breach
one at a damn time pretty much

All the damn evoltuions in science in 2005 and these muthafuckas are treating the civil engineering issue like its 1939 or some shit.




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34. "i might as well stand there and try and push the water back myself"
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for all that's gonna do.

  

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42. "you got a better idea?"
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52. "them sandbags weigh 3000 lbs from what i saw on one of the news"
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channels.


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214. "they had 15,000 lb. sand bags"
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35. "Breaking News: Astrodome FULL"
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according to the CNN.com banner

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36. "I just saw the interview on CNN about this and..."
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...there's some contradiction on what "full" is. People said the Astrodome would take in 25,000 people. According to the news anchor on CNN, there are only 8,000 people in the dome right now, if that. They said people coming in from NO walked off the bus, only to be told to "keep on going". One of the buses had their air conditioning go out, so a few people had to be transferred to different buses.

On another CNN interview before this (I had to turn it off for the night), they said in NO near the Superdome, tension is way past anything imaginable, and that if and when the next bus comes (now ponder on that one for a moment), there will be a riot. Could be tonight, could be tomorrow morning.




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181. "that probably means cots on the floor."
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they probably don't want people sleeping in the stands.

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101. "San Antonio should be next in line in terms of recieving"
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from my understanding. Then Dallas is next in line.

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37. "i was listening to the local news"
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and some affiliate reporter in n.o. said there were reports of murders and rapings. anybody hear about that?
i hope that's not true, but then if it's not that's jacked up!

  

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40. "I haven't heard about murders, but the rapes have been mentioned a bit"
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Ladies and children.


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41. "damn"
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38. "I normally don't watch Bill O'Reilly, but I watched it tonight"
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O'Reilly tried to be his usual "I'm smugger than anyone" self. He did an interview with Shephard Smith, and I know Smith has a reputation of his own as well. But Smith has been in NO doing live shows, and O'Reilly was trying to come up with excuses for everything from the looting to the violence, and Smith was taken aback by that, telling O'Reilly "Bill, you're not hear to see the devastation" and going on to say that no matter where you walk, there is no escaping the situation, and that nothing is being done, on any level. Smith, earlier on his own show, did a piece where he was on one of the highways and the camera aimed to his feet where you saw a dead body wrapped up in a blanket. I know this scene has been mentioned a number of times, but it was the first time I had seen Smith blast O'Reilly for statements I felt were uncalled for. O'Reilly knew it, and kind of made a smart ass remark about "I hope you'll be an Emmy award winning reporter very soon" or something to that effect, and looking at Smith, I am sure he cursed the fuck out of him once the camera went off of him.







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74. "Shepard Smith, Anderson Cooper & Tony Zambado are on it."
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It's overwhelming.

I'm really sick of the spin on the whole thing. People needed help there 5 days ago. It's just ridiculous.

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39. "local news fly over with commentary"
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http://nebe-b.org/wgno26flyover.asx

  

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43. "dogs."
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joe loses house, kisses dog:
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in a daring escape, brian swam from 2nd story window with rocky:
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randy, brandy, and c.c. (dog) had to leave fishing camp:
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sam saved this dog:
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"A man and his dog wait for rescue on the roof of their flooded house:"
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'Oh my poor dog,' bemoans P.J. Ralph, 'I lost my friends, my possessions, everything.'
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steve rescued his friend's dog hercules:
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jonathon rescued cuddles:
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cynthia rescued a stray:
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solitary dog:
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man and his dog in miami beach last week:
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106. "i saw a man on tv who swam 8 hours with his 3 dogs"
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44. "any word on southern, grambling, bama a&m, etc"
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in other words, everyone is tut tutting abt tulane and UNO, what abt the HBCUs?


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51. "haven't heard much about education in general"
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I've heard about some damaged libraries as well as other state universities in places like Arkansas and Minnesota willing to accept students from NO and LA schools like Dillard, Southern U, Xavier, Tulane etc.

I've also tried checking websites for some of those schools and nothing comes up.
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86. "other universities are taking students"
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but i haven't heard *specifically* about buildings & such

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45. "im also LOLing how nobody is focusing on the good samaritans."
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im way the hell overseas and ive seen 2 segments of blk ppl saving lives, leading ppl out, pulling boats if need be, etc

but all anyone can seem to dwell on is the "looting"

lol


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218. "good samaritans will save the day"
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46. "**IF YOU WANT TO WRITE YOUR LOCAL PAPER, READ HERE**"
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here is a list of 412 people at various local papers with "editorial editor" in their title. i cant guarantee 100% accuracy, sometimes people change jobs, but it should be at least 95% current. if you are disgusted with the media coverage, and want to write, look below and/or see poetx's post. if you want the FULL list, which is still 412 names, but includes the paper's website and fax number, inbox me.

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47. "RE: **IF YOU WANT TO WRITE YOUR LOCAL PAPER, READ HERE**"
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Advocate, The Joy Haenlein Editorial Page Editor (203) 964-2293 joy.haenlein@scni.com
Advocate-Messenger, The John Davis Editorial Page Editor ext. 136 john@amnews.com
Aiken Standard Jeffrey Wallace Editorial Page Editor ext. 278 jwallace@aikenstandard.com
Alameda Times-Star Tom Tuttle Editorial Page Editor (925) 416-4852 ttuttle@angnewspapers.com
Albany Democrat-Herald Hasso Hering Editorial Page Editor (541) 926-2211 hasso.hering@lee.net
Albuquerque Journal Bill Hume Editorial Page Editor (505) 823-3860 bhume@abqjournal.com
Albuquerque Journal Steve Mills Editorial Page Editor (505) 823-3800 smills@abqjournal.com
Albuquerque Tribune, The Jack Ehn Editorial Page Editor (505) 823-3616 jehn@abqtrib.com
Albuquerque Tribune, The Larry Spohn Assistant Editorial Page Editor (505) 823-3611 lspohn@abqtrib.com
Amarillo Globe-News John Kanelis Editorial Page Editor (806) 345-3358 jkanelis@amarillonet.com
Anderson Independent-Mail Bonnie Williams Editorial Page Editor (864) 260-1344 williamsbc@independentmail.com
Ann Arbor News, The Victor Schaffner Editorial Page Editor (734) 994-6764 vschaffner@annarbornews.com
Anniston Star Bob Davis Editorial Page Editor (256) 235-3591 bdavis@annistonstar.com
Argus Leader Jon Walker Editorial Page Editor (605) 331-2300 jwalker@argusleader.com
Argus, The Tom Tuttle Editorial Page Editor (925) 416-4852 ttuttle@angnewspapers.com
Arizona Daily Star Dennis Joyce Editorial Page Editor (520) 573-4235 djoyce@azstarnet.com
Arizona Republic, The Phil Boas Op Ed Writer (602) 444-8292 phil.boas@arizonarepublic.com
Arizona Republic, The Ken Western Editorial Page Editor (602) 444-8138 ken.western@arizonarepublic.com
Arkansas Democrat-Gazette Paul Greenberg Editorial Page Editor (501) 378-3482 paul_greenberg@adg.ardemgaz.com
Asbury Park Press Randy Bergmann Editorial Page Editor x4034 rbergmann@app.com
Asheville Citizen-Times Joy Franklin Editorial Page Editor (828) 232-5895 jfrankli@ashevill.gannett.com
Atlanta Journal-Constitution Jay Bookman Deputy Editorial Page Editor/Columnist (404) 526-5464 jbookman@ajc.com
Atlanta Journal-Constitution Cynthia Tucker Editorial Page Editor (404) 526-5084 cynthia@ajc.com
Atlanta Journal-Constitution James Wooten Associate Editorial Page Editor (404) 526-5308 jwooten@ajc.com
Augusta Chronicle Michael Ryan Editorial Page Editor (706) 823-3366 michael.ryan@augustachronicle.com
Austin American-Statesman A. Phillips Brooks Editorial Page Editor (512) 445-3500
Austin American-Statesman Arnold Garcia Editorial Page Editor (512) 445-3667 agarcia@statesman.com
Bakersfield Californian, The Dianne Hardisty Editorial Page Editor (661) 395-7414 dhardisty@bakersfield.com
Baltimore Sun, The Richard Gross Editorial Page Editor (410) 332-6459 richard.gross@baltsun.com
Baltimore Sun, The Ann LoLordo Assistant Editorial Page Editor (410) 332-6000 ann.lolordo@baltsun.com
Barstow Desert Dispatch Steve Williams Editorial Page Editor (760) 256-2257
Batavia Daily News Sharon Larsen Editorial Page Editor (585) 343-8000 news@batavianews.com
Beatrice Daily Sun Diane Vicars Editorial Page Editor (402) 223-5233
Beaufort Gazette James Cato Editor/Publisher/Editorial Page Editor (843) 986-5505 jcato@beaufortgazette.com
Beaumont Enterprise Tom Tascingher Editorial Page Editor (409) 838-2887 ttaschinger@beaumontenterprise.com
Beaver County Times Bob Uhriniak Editorial Page Editor 1(724) 775-3200x169 timesletters@timesonline.com
Belleville News-Democrat Lori Browning Editorial Page Editor (618) 234-1000 lbrowning@bnd.com
Bellingham Herald Scott Ayers Editorial Page Editor (360) 715-2294 scott.ayers@bellinghamherald.com
Berkshire Eagle Bill Everhart Editorial Page Editor (413) 496-6271 beverhart@berkshireeagle.com
Billings Gazette, The Pat Bellinghausen Editorial Page Editor (406) 657-1303 pbellinghausen@billingsgazette.com
Birmingham News, The Bob Blalock Editorial Page Editor (205) 325-2117 bblalock@bhamnews.com
Birmingham Post-Herald Karl Seitz Editorial Page Editor (205) 325-2488 kseitz@postherald.com
Blade, The Thomas Walton Opinion Page Editor (419) 724-6170 twalton@theblade.com
Boston Globe, The Renee Loth Editorial Page Editor (617) 929-3035 loth@globe.com
Boston Herald, The Rachelle Cohen Editorial Page Editor (617) 426-3000 oped@bostonherald.com
Boston Metro Mark Moore Editor-in-Chief (617) 210-7905
Bucks County Courier Times Guy Petroziello Editorial Page Editor (215) 949-4162 gpetroziello@phillyburbs.com
Buffalo News Gerald Goldberg Editorial Page Editor (716) 849-4425 jgoldberg@buffnews.com
Buffalo News Mike Vogel Editorial Writer (716) 849-4494 mvogel@buffnews.com
Bulletin, The Erik Lukens Editorial Page Editor (541) 617-7816 elukens@bendbulletin.com
Burlington County Times Fredda Sacharow Editorial Page Editor (609) 871-8079 bct.letters@calkinsnewpaper.com
Capital, The Ed Casey Editorial Page Editor ext. 3006 ECasey@capitalgazette.com
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Casper Star-Tribune Claudie Ortiz Editorial Page Editor (307) 266-0549 ortiz@trib.com
Charleston Daily Mail Johanna Maurice Editorial Page Editor (304) 348-4802
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Charlotte Observer, The Jane McAlister Pope Deputy Editorial Page Editor (704) 358-5017
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Charlotte Sun John Hackworth Editorial Page Editor (941) 206-1100 hackworth@sun-herald.com
Chicago Sun-Times Steve Huntley Editorial Page Editor (312) 321-2535 shuntley@suntimes.com
Chicago Tribune Bruce Dold Editorial Page Editor (312) 222-3232 bdold@tribune.com
Chillicothe Gazette Mike Frown Editorial Page Editor (740) 772-9360 mfrown@nncogannett.com
Cincinnati Enquirer Ray Cooklis Assistant Editorial Page Editor, Guest C (513) 768-8525 rcooklis@enquirer.com
Cincinnati Enquirer Byron McCauley Deputy Editorial Page Editor (513) 768-8473 bmccauley@enquirer.com
Citizen Tribune Melinda Brooks Editorial Page Editor (423) 581-5630
Citizens' Voice, The James Gittens Editorial Page Editor (570) 821-2068
Citizens' Voice, The Lisa Napersky Staff Writer (570) 821-2000 lnapersky@citizensvoice.com
Citrus County Chronicle Steve Arthur Editorial Page Editor (352) 563-6363 sarthur@chronicleonline.com
Clarion-Ledger, The David Hampton Editorial Page Editor (601) 961-7240 dhampton@clarionledger.com
Columbia Daily Spectator, The Rachel Scarborough King Editorial Page Editor (212) 854-9611 opinion@columbiaspectator.com
Columbus Dispatch, The Glenn Sheller Editorial Page Editor (614) 461-5000 gsheller@dispatch.com
Connecticut Post Steve Winters Editorial Page Editor (203) 330-6203 swinters@ctpost.com
Contra Costa Times Dan Hatfield Editorial Page Editor (925) 977-8430 dhatfield@cctimes.com
Cortland Standard Skip Chapman Editorial Page Editor (607) 756-5665 news@cortlandstandard.net
Courier-News Keith Ryzewicz Editorial Page Editor (908) 707-3128
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Cumberland Times-News Richard Kerns Editorial Page Editor (301) 784-2526 rkerns@times-news.com
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Daily Camera, The Steve Millard Editorial Page Editor (303) 473-1365 millards@dailycamera.com
Daily Democrat Jim Smith Managing Editor (530) 406-6230 ddnews@dailydemocrat.com
Daily Herald David Beery Editorial Page Editor (847) 427-4541 dbeery@dailyherald.com
Daily Herald, The Bob Bolerjack Editorial Page Editor (425) 339-3474 bolerjack@heraldnet.com
Daily Herald, The Don Meyers Editorial Page Editor (801) 344-2544 dmeyer@heraldextra.com
Daily Independent, The John Cannon Editorial Page Editor (606) 326-2649 jcannon@dailyindependent.com
Daily Journal, The John Garrahan Editorial Page Editor (856) 563-5248 djopinion@thedailyjournal.com
Daily Local News Martin Indars Editorial Page Editor (610) 430-1129 dlnnews@aol.com
Daily Mail, The Bob Maginnis Editorial Page Editor (301) 733-5131 bobm@herald-mail.com
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Daily News Jim Bross Editorial Page Editor (360) 577-2519 jbross@tdn.com
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Daily Press, The Jesse Todd Editorial Page Editor (757) 247-6448 jtodd@dailypress.com
Daily Progress, The Anita Shelburne Editorial Page Editor (434) 978-7269 ashelburne@dailyprogress.com
Daily Record, The Bart Adams Publisher/Editorial Page Editor (910) 891-1234 badams@dunndailyrecord.com
Daily Record, The Fred Snowflack Editorial Page Editor (973) 428-6617 fsnowfla@gannett.com
Daily Reflector, The Brian Colligan Editorial Page Editor (252) 329-9507 bcolligan@coxnews.com
Daily Sentinel, The Bob Silbernagel Editorial Page Editor (970) 242-5050 bsilbernagel@gjds.com
Daily Times, The Mark Lewis Editorial Page Editor (505) 325-4545 markl@daily-times.com
Daily World, The John Hughes Editorial Page Editor ext. 112 jhughes@thedailyworld.com
Dallas Morning News, The Sharon Grigsby Deputy Editorial Page Editor (214) 977-7693 sgrigsby@dallasnews.com
Dallas Morning News, The Keven Ann Willey Editorial Page Editor (214) 977-8253 kwilley@dallasnews.com
Dayton Daily News Ellen Belcher Editorial Page Editor (937) 225-2286 ebelcher@daytondailynews.com
Democrat and Chronicle Jim Lawrence Editorial Page Editor (585) 258-2250 dceditpage@democratandchronicle.com
Denton Record-Chronicle Lisa McLendon Editorial Page Editor (940) 381-9622 lmclendon@dentonrc.com
Denver Post, The Bob Ewegen Op Ed Page Editor (303) 820-1221 bewegen@denverpost.com
Deseret Morning News Jay Douglas Evensen Editorial Page Editor (801) 237-2185 even@desnews.com
Desert Dispatch John Bennett Editorial Page Editor/City Editor (760) 256-4127 john_bennett@link.freedom.com
Desert Sun, The Cindy Uken Editorial Page Editor (760) 322-8889 cuken@palmspri.gannett.com
Desert Sun, The Cindy Yuken Editorial Page Editor (760) 778-4617
Detroit News Nolan Finley Editorial Page Editor (313) 222-6400 nfinley@detnews.com
Detroit News Jeff Hadden Deputy Editorial Page Editor (313) 222-6400 jhadden@detnews.com
Dominion Post, The Randy Vealey Editorial Page Editor (304) 291-9433 rvealey@dominionpost.com
Dothan Eagle Bill Perkins Editorial Page Editor (334) 712-7901 bperkins@dothaneagle.com
Draugas Danute Bindokas Editorial Page Editor (773) 585-9500
Eagle-Tribune, The Ken Johnson Editorial Page Editor (978) 946-2000 kjohnson@eagletribune.com
East Valley Tribune Bob Schuster Editorial Page Editor (480) 898-6507 bschuster@aztrib.com
El Paso Times Mary Benanti Editorial Page Editor (915) 546-6121 mbenanti@elpasotimes.com
Erie Times-News Bryan Oberle Editorial Page Editor (814) 870-1726 bryan.oberle@timesnews.com
Evening Sun, The Wanda Murren Editorial Page Editor (717) 637-3736x141 news@eveningsun.com
Evening Times, The Larry Neely Editorial Page Editor (315) 823-3680 lfetimes@ntcnet.com
Examiner, The David Mastio Editorial Page Editor (703) 846-8320 dmastio@dcexaminer.com
Fayetteville Observer, The Tim White Editorial Page Editor (910) 486-3504 whitet@fayettevillenc.com
Flint Journal, The Mike Riha Editorial Page Editor (810) 766-6189 mriha@flintjournal.com
Florida Times-Union Mike Clark Editorial Page Editor (904) 359-4307 mike.clark@jacksonville.com
Florida Today John Glisch Editorial Page Editor (321) 242-3968 jglisch@flatoday.net
Forum Jack Zaleski Editorial Page Editor (701) 241-5495
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Foster's Daily Democrat Jon Breen Editorial Page Editor (603) 742-4455
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Fresno Bee Jim Boren Editorial Page Editor (559) 441-6307 jboren@fresnobee.com
Fresno Bee Russ Minick Deputy Editorial Page Editor (559) 441-6343 rminick@fresnobee.com
Gainesville Sun, The Ron Cunningham Editorial Page Editor (352) 374-5075 cunninr@gvillesun.com
Gaston Gazette Barry Bridges Editorial Page Editor (704) 869-1813 barry_bridges@link.freedom.com
Glasgow Daily Times Joel Wilson Editorial Page Editor (270) 678-5171
Great Falls Tribune Gary Moseman Editorial Page Editor (406) 791-1444 gmoseman@greatfal.gannett.com
Greenville News, The Beth Padgett Editorial Page Editor (864) 298-4321 bpadgett@greenvillenews.com
Hartford Courant, The Robert Schrepf Deputy Editorial Page Editor (860) 241-6488 bschrepf@courant.com
Hattiesburg American Rich Campbell Editorial Page Editor (601) 584-3128 rcampbell@hattiesb.gannett.com
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Herald and News Patrick Bushey Editorial Page Editor (541) 885-4479x479 pbushey@heraldandnews.com
Herald Mail, The Bob Maginnis Editorial Page Editor (301) 791-7622 bobm@herald-mail.com
Herald, The James Werrell Editorial Page Editor (803) 329-4081 jwerrell@heraldonline.com
Herald-Palladium Dale Brewer Editorial Page Editor ext. 211 dbrewer@heraldpalladium.com
Herald-Standard Luanne Traud Editorial Page Editor (724) 439-7635 ltraud@heraldstandard.com
Honolulu Advertiser, The Jerry Burris Editorial Page Editor (808) 525-8095 jburris@honoluluadvertiser.com
Honolulu Star-Bulletin Mary Poole Editorial Page Editor (808) 529-4748 mpoole@starbulletin.com
Houston Chronicle Frank Michel Associate Editor - Editorial Page (713) 362-7077 frank.michel@chron.com
Huntsville Times, The John Ehinger Editorial Page Editor (256) 532-4218 johne@htimes.com
Huntsville Times, The David Prather Editorial Page Associate Editor (256) 532-4357 prather@htimes.com
Idaho Press-Tribune Vickie Holbrook Managing Editor (208) 465-8110 vholbrook@idahopress.com
Idaho Statesman, The David Staats Editorial Page Editor (208) 377-6432 dstaats@idahostatesman.com
Imperial Valley Press Bret Kofford Editorial Page Editor (760) 337-3425
Independence Examiner Jeff Fox Editorial Page Editor (816) 350-6313 jeff.fox@examiner.net
Independent George Ayoub Editorial Page Editor (308) 381-5423 george.ayoub@theindependent.com
Inland Valley Daily Bulletin Kevin Chaffee Op Ed Page Editor/Editorial Page Editor (909) 987-6397x214 k_chaffee@dailybulletin.com
Intelligencer Journal Earle Cornelius Editorial Page Editor (717) 291-8738 ecornelius@lnpnews.com
Intelligencer, The Mike Myer Editorial Page Editor ext. 305 myer@news-register.net
Jackson Sun Tom Bohs Editorial Page Editor (731) 425-9686 tbohs@jacksonsun.com
Janesville Gazette, The Greg Peck Editorial Page Editor ext. 278 gpeck@gazetteextra.com
Jefferson City News-Tribune Richard McGonegal Managing Editor (573) 636-3131 nt@newstribune.com
Jersey Journal, The Agustin Torres Editorial Page Editor (201) 217-2511 agustin.torres@jjournal.com
Journal Gazette Tracy Warner Editorial Page Editor (260) 461-8113 twarner@jg.net
Journal Inquirer Keith Burris Editorial Page Editor (860) 646-0500 letters@journalinquirer.com
Journal News, The Ron Patafio Editorial Page Editor (914) 694-5031
Journal Review Tina McGrady Editor (765) 362-1200 tina@jrpress.com
Journal Star Barb Drake Editorial Page Editor (309) 686-3133 bdrake@pjstar.com
Journal Star Barb Mantz Drake Editorial Page Editor (309) 686-3133 bdrake@pjstar.com
Kalamazoo Gazette Charlotte Channing Editorial Page Editor (269) 388-8547 cchanning@kalamazoogazette.com
Kansas City Star, The Miriam Pepper Editorial Page Editor (816) 234-4421 pepper@kcstar.com
Kansas City Star, The Laura Scott Editorial Page Assistant Editor (816) 234-4452 lascott@kcstar.com
Kansas City Star, The Stephen Winn Editorial Page Deputy Editor (816) 234-4477 winn@kcstar.com
King County Journal Craig Groshart Editorial Page Editor (425) 455-2222 craig.groshart@kingcountyjournal.com
Knoxville News-Sentinel, The Jan Avent Assistant Editorial Page Editor (865) 342-6251 avent@knews.com
Knoxville News-Sentinel, The Hoyt Canady Editorial Page Editor (865) 523-3131
La Crosse Tribune Richard Mial Editorial Page Editor (608) 791-8232 rmial@lacrossetribune.com
La Opinion Henrik Rehbinder Editorial Page Editor (213) 622-8332 henrik.rehbinder@laopinion.com
Lancaster New Era Jack Brubaker Editorial Page Editor (717) 291-8781 jbrubaker@lnpnews.com
Lancaster New Era Jim Burchik Editorial Page Editor (717) 291-8733 jburchik@lnpnews.com
Lansing State Journal, The Derek Melot Assistant Editorial Editor (517) 377-1256 dmelot@lansing.gannett.com
Lansing State Journal, The Mark Nixon Editorial Page Editor (517) 377-1038 mnixon@lsj.com
Las Vegas Review-Journal John Kerr Editorial Page Editor (702) 383-0273 JKerr@reviewjournal.com
Las Vegas Sun Michael Campbell Editorial Page Editor (702) 385-3111 mike@lasvegassun.com
Lawrence Journal-World Ann Gardner Editorial Page Editor (785) 832-7153 agardner@ljworld.com
Leaf-Chronicle, The Alane Megna Editorial Page Editor (931) 245-0248 alanemegna@theleafchronicle.com
Lebanon Daily News, The Rahn Forney Editorial Page Editor ext. 143 RahnForney@LDNews.com
Ledger, The Glenn Marston Assistant Editorial Page Editor (863) 802-7601 glenn.marston@theledger.com
Ledger, The Dave Schultz Editorial Page Editor (863) 802-7600 dave.schultz@theledger.com
Lewiston Morning Tribune Jim Fisher Editorial Writer ext. 272 jfisher@lmtribune.com
Lewiston Morning Tribune Bill Hall Editorial Page Editor (208) 743-9411 billhall@lmtribune.com
Lexington Herald-Leader Vanessa Gallman Editorial Page Editor (859) 231-1393 vgallman@herald-leader.com
Lima News Thomas J. Lucente Editorial Page Editor (419) 223-1010 tlucente@limanews.com
Log Cabin Democrat Dean Wheeler Editorial Page Editor (501) 505-1246 dwheeler@thecabin.net
Lompoc Record Russ Stockton Editorial Page Editor (805) 736-2313x142 rstockton@pulitzer.net
Longmont Daily Times-Call Bill Ray Editorial Page Editor ext. 221 bray@times-call.com
Los Angeles Daily News Chris Weinkopf Editorial Page Editor (818) 713-3000 chris.weinkopf@dailynews.com
Los Angeles Times Janet Clayton Editorial Page Editor (213) 237-7931 janet.clayton@latimes.com
Los Angeles Times Andres Martinez Editorial Page Editor (213) 237-5000 andres.martinez@latimes.com
Lowell Sun Sharon Flaherty Editorial Page Editor (978) 458-7100 sflaherty@lowellsun.com
Macomb Daily Mitch Kehetian Editorial Page Editor (586) 469-4510
Madera Tribune Charles Doud Editor/Publisher (559) 674-8134 cdoud@maderatribune.net
Manassas Journal Messenger Alfred Biddlecomb Editorial Page Editor (703) 878-8062 abiddlecomb@potomacnews.com
Manhattan Mercury Walt Braun Editorial Page Editor (785) 776-2200 circulation@themercury.com
Mansfield News-Journal Tom Brennan Editorial Page Editor (419) 521-7340 tbrennan@nncogannett.com
Marin Independent Journal Brad Breithaupt Editorial Page Editor (415) 382-7291 bbreithaupt@marinij.com
Mercury, The Nancy March Editorial Page Editor ext. 470 nmarch@pottsmerc.com
Meriden Record-Journal Allan Church Editorial Page Editor (203) 317-2250 achurch@record-journal.com
Metro Mark Moore Editor-in-Chief (215) 717-2630 mmoore@metro-philly.com
MetroWest Daily News, The Richard Holmes Editorial Page Editor (508) 872-4321 rholmes@cnc.com
Miami Herald, The Joe Oglesby Editorial Page Editor (305) 376-3505 joglesby@herald.com
Milwaukee Journal Sentinel Ernst-Ulrich Franzen Deputy Editorial Page Editor (414) 224-2000 efransen@journalsentinel.com
Mining Journal Barbara Bannister Editorial Page Editor 1(906) 228-2500x246
Missoulian, The Steve Woodruff Editorial Page Editor (406) 523-5241 steve.woodruff@missoulian.com
Mobile Register Frances Coleman Editorial Page Editor (251) 434-8607 fcoleman@mobileregister.com
Monitor, The Mack Harrison Editorial Page Editor (956) 982-6681 mharriso@themonitor.com
Monroe Times Judie Hintzman Editorial Page Editor ext. 36 editor@themonroetimes.com
Montgomery Advertiser Jim Earnhardt Associate Editorial Page Editor (334) 261-1525 jearnhardt@gannett.com
Montgomery Advertiser Ken Hare Editorial Page Editor (334) 261-1524 khare1@gannett.com
Morning Call, The Glenn Kranzley Editorial Page Editor (610) 770-3717 glenn.kranzley@mcall.com
Morning Journal Thomas Skoch Editorial Page Editor x536 letters@morningjournal.com
Morning Sentinel Anthony Cristan Editorial Page Editor (207) 873-3341 acristan@centralmaine.com
Mount Airy News, The Steve Welker Editorial Page Editor (336) 719-1925 swelker@mtairynews.com
Muskogee Daily Phoenix & Times-Democrat Joe Patrick Bean Editorial Page Editor (918) 684-2900
Napa Valley Register Bill Kisliuk Managing Editor (707) 256-2246 bkisliuk@napanews.com
Naples Daily News Chuck Curry Assistant Editorial Page Editor (239) 262-4830 cecurry@naplesnews.com
Naples Daily News Jeffrey Lytle Editorial Page Editor (239) 263-4773 jflytle@naplesnews.com
New Castle News Mitchel Olszak Editorial Page Editor (724) 654-6651x628
New Haven Register Charles Kochakian Editorial Page Editor (203) 789-5635 ckochakian@nhregister.com
New Jersey Herald, The Bob Price Editorial Page Editor (973) 383-1500x261 bprice@njherald.com
New York Daily News Angela King Editorial Page Editor (212) 210-6325 aking@edit.nydailynews.com
New York Post Bob McManus Editorial Page Editor (212) 930-8536 bmcmanus@nypost.com
New York Times, The Phil Boffey Deputy Editorial Page Editor (212) 556-1234 phboff@nytimes.com
New York Times, The Gail Collins Editorial Page Editor (212) 556-7832 gailc@nytimes.com
New York Times, The Helene Cooper Assistant Editorial Page Editor (212) 556-1234 editorial@nytimes.com
New York Times, The Maureen Muenster News Assistant City Section (212) 556-1234 mamuen@nytimes.com
New York Times, The Andrew Rosenthal Deputy Editorial Page Editor (212) 556-7415 andyr@nytimes.com
News & Observer Steve Ford Editorial Page Editor (919) 829-4512 sford@newsobserver.com
News & Observer Jim Jenkins Editorial Writer ext. 4513 jjenkins@newsobserver.com
News & Record Allen Johnson Editorial Page Editor (336) 373-7010 ajohnson@news-record.com
News Herald, The Claude Duncan Editorial Page Editor (850) 747-5093 cduncan@pcnh.com
News Tribune David Seago Editorial Page Editor (253) 597-8634 david.seago@mail.tribnet.com
Newsday James Klurfeld Editorial Page Editor (631) 843-2908 james.klurfe@newsday.com
Newsday Carol Richards Deputy Editorial Page Editor (631) 843-2912 carol.richards@newsday.com
News-Gazette Tom Kacich Editorial Page Editor (217) 351-5221 news@news-gazette.com
News-Press Mark Stephens Assistant Editorial Page Editor (239) 335-0226 mstephens@news-press.com
News-Sentinel Leonard Morris Editorial Page Editor (260) 461-8298 lmorris@news-sentinel.com
News-Star Barry Johnson Editorial Page Editor (318) 322-5161 bjohnson@thenewsstar.com
News-Times, The Mary Connolly Editorial Page Editor (203) 731-3362 mconnolly@newstimes.com
Noblesville Ledger, The Gregg Montgomery Editorial Page Editor (317) 598-6300x172 Gregg.Montgomery@TheNoblesvilleLedger.com
Northwest Arkansas Times Don Michael Editorial Page Editor (479) 571-6443 donm@nwarktimes.com
Northwest Florida Daily News Jim Shoffner Editorial Page Editor 1(800) 755-1185x407 jims@nwfdailynews.com
Norwich Bulletin Edward Dunn Editorial Page Editor (860) 887-9211 letters@norwichbulletin.com
Oakland Tribune Tom Tuttle Editorial Page Editor (925) 416-4852 ttuttle@angnewspapers.com
Observer-Reporter Louis Florian Editorial Page Editor (724) 222-2200 lflorian@observer-reporter.com
Ocean County Observer Helen Fitzsimmons News Editor/Editorial Page Editor (732) 557-5710 hfitzsimmons@app.com
Olympian, The Mike Oakland Editorial Page Editor (360) 754-5464 moakland@olympia.gannett.com
Omaha World-Herald Frank Partsch Editorial Page Editor (402) 444-1369 frank.partsch@owh.com
Opelika-Auburn News Gillis Morgan Editorial Page Editor (336) 749-6271x3146 gmorgan@oanow.com
Oregonian, The Robert Caldwell Editorial Page Editor (503) 221-8197 bobcaldwell@news.oregonian.com
Orlando Sentinel Jane Healy Editorial Page Editor (407) 420-5406 jhealy@orlandosentinel.com
Ottawa Daily Times Craig Peterson Editorial Page Editor (815) 433-2000
Paducah Sun, The Mac Thrower Editorial Page Editor (270) 575-8600 mthrower@paducahsun.com
Palladium-Item Bob Hansen Editorial Page Editor (765) 973-4456 bhansen@richmond.gannett.com
Palm Beach Post Randy Schultz Editorial Page Editor (561) 820-4447 rschultz@pbpost.com
Pantagraph Bill Wills Editorial Page Editor (309) 829-9411 bwills@pantagraph.com
Parsons Sun Ann Charles Editorial Page Editor (620) 421-2000 acharles@parsonssun.com
Pasadena Star-News Steve Scauzillo Opinions Editor (626) 578-6300x2237 steve.scauzillo@sgvn.com
Patriot-News, The Dale Davenport Editorial Page Editor (717) 255-8111 editpage@patriot-news.com
Philadelphia Daily News Frank Burgos Editorial Page Editor (215) 854-5927 burgosf@phillynews.com
Philadelphia Inquirer, The Carolyn Davis Deputy Editorial Page Editor (215) 854-4214 cdavis@phillynews.com
Philadelphia Inquirer, The Chris Satullo Editorial Page Editor (215) 854-5943 csatullo@phillynews.com
Philadelphia Inquirer, The John Timpane Associate Editorial Page Editor (215) 854-4406 jtimpane@phillynews.com
Pittsburgh Tribune-Review Colin P. McNickle Editorial Page Editor (412) 320-7836 cmcnickle@tribweb.com
Plain Dealer, The Kevin O'Brien Editorial Page Deputy Editor (216) 999-4145 kobrien@plaind.com
Plainview Daily Herald Danny Andrews Editorial Page Editor (806) 296-1353 dandrews@texasonline.net
Plano Star Courier Mike Norris Editorial Page Editor (972) 398-4252 mike.norris@scntx.com
Pocono Record Paula Heeschen Editorial Page Editor (570) 420-4348 pheeschen@poconorecord.com
Portland Press Herald John Porter Editorial Page Editor (207) 791-6480 jporter@pressherald.com
Portsmouth Daily Times Aaron Cooper Editorial Page Editor (740) 353-3101 dtimes@zoomnet.net
Post-Tribune Richard Grey Editorial Page Editor (219) 881-3133
Poteau News & Sun Ken Milam Editorial Page Editor (918) 647-3188
Pottsville Republican & Evening Herald Florence Bautsch Editorial Page Editor (570) 622-3456 fbautsch@republicanherald.com
Poughkeepsie Journal Jim Audlin Editorial Page Editor (845) 437-4835 jaudlin@poughkee.gannett.com
Poughkeepsie Journal John Penney Editorial Page Editor (845) 437-4805
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Press & Sun Bulletin Frank Roessner Editorial Page Editor (607) 798-1124 froessne@binghamt.gannett.com
Press-Telegram Larry Allison Editorial Page Editor (562) 499-1244 larry.allison@presstelegram.com
Providence Journal, The Ed Achorn Deputy Editorial Page Editor (401) 277-7190 eachorn@projo.com
Providence Journal, The Robert Whitcomb Editorial Page Editor & Vice President (401) 277-7409 rwhitcom@projo.com
Reading Eagle James Homan Editorial Page Editor (610) 371-5000 jhoman@readingeagle.com
Record, The Richard Benfield Editorial Page Editor (201) 646-4449 benfield@northjersey.com
Record, The Kevin Parrish Editorial Page Editor (209) 546-8264 editor@recordnet.com
Recorder Justin Abelson Editorial Page Editor (413) 772-0261 jabelson@recorder.com
Record-Searchlight Bruce Ross Editorial Page Editor (530) 225-8238 bross@redding.com
Register-Guard Jim Godbold Associate Editorial Page Editor (541) 338-2413 jgodbold@guardnet.com
Register-Guard Jackman Wilson Editorial Page Editor (541) 338-2316 jwilson@guardnet.com
Reno Gazette-Journal Steve Falcone Editorial Page Editor (775) 788-6383 sfalcone@rgj.com
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Reporter, The Renee Dufore Russell Editorial Page Editor (920) 922-4600x240
Republican, The Steve Smith Editorial Page Editor (413) 788-1345 letters@repub.com
Richmond Times-Dispatch Ross Mackenzie Editorial Page Editor (804) 649-6404 rmackenzie@timesdispatch.com
Roanoke Times, The Tommy Denton Editorial Page Editor (540) 981-3377 tommy.denton@roanoke.com
Roanoke Times, The Geoff Seamans Associate Editorial Page Editor (540) 981-3356 geoff.seamans@roanoke.com
Rockford Register Star Wally Haas Editorial Page Editor (815) 987-1200 whaas@rockford.gannett.com
Rocky Mountain News Vincent Carroll Editorial Page Editor (303) 892-5477 carrollv@rockymountainnews.com
Rome News-Tribune Pierre Noth Editorial Page Editor (706) 290-5263 pnoth@npco.com
Roswell Daily Record Mike Busch Editorial Page Editor (505) 622-7710 rdr@roswell.net
Rutland Herald David Moats Editorial Page Editor (802) 747-6121x2204 david.moats@rutlandherald.com
Sacramento Bee, The Howard Weaver Editorial Page Editor (916) 321-1851 hweaver@sacbee.com
Salem News, The Nelson Benton Editorial Page Editor (978) 922-1234 nbenton@ecnnews.com
Salisbury Post Chris Verner Editorial Page Editor ext. 262 verner@salisburypost.com
Salt Lake Tribune, The Vern Anderson Editorial Page Editor (801) 257-8742 vanderson@sltrib.com
Sampson Independent, The Sherry Matthews Editorial Page Editor (910) 592-8137x23 smatthews@intrstar.net
San Angelo Standard Times Jack Cowan Editorial Page Editor (325) 653-1221 jcowan@texaswest.com
San Antonio Express-News Bruce Davidson Editorial Page Editor (210) 250-3478 bdavidson@express-news.net
San Bernardino Sun Carolyn Schatz Editorial Page Editor (909) 386-3844 carolyn.schatz@sbsun.com
San Diego Union-Tribune Robert Kittle Editorial Page Editor (619) 293-1746 robert.kittle@uniontrib.com
San Francisco Chronicle John Diaz Editorial Page Editor (415) 777-7018 jdiaz@sfchronicle.com
San Francisco Chronicle Lois Kazakoff Opinion Page Deputy Editor (415) 777-6054 lkazakoff@sfchronicle.com
San Gabriel Valley Tribune Steve Scauzillo Opinions Editor 1(626) 962-8811x2237 steve.scauzillo@sgvn.com
San Mateo County Times Tom Tuttle Editorial Page Editor (925) 416-4852 ttuttle@angnewspapers.com
Santa Barbara News-Press Travis Armstrong Editorial Page Editor (805) 564-5200 tarmstrong@newspress.com
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48. "So bush turned down Russia's help"
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IMPEACH.

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49. "SAY WHAT?!"
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90. "And Canada....Welp that was Condelezza Rice's decision"
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WTF?

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154. "And Venezuela"
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wait Canada? WTF? We're too good to take Canada's help? That's some bullshit. Arrogant jerks.

  

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173. "He, we offered"
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Our PM called Bush, and provincial authorities spoke to the ambassador (who, by the way, is from South Carolina, so he must have a real soft spot for Canada). I don't get it at all. I hope the administration changes their mind.

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50. "Paula Zahn"
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NOW? CNN

Please tell me they showing footage from a day or two ago! Michael Brown just said "the federal government just found out TODAY the convention center didn't have any food." She almost jumped through the camera...

  

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66. "I saw that!"
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As much as the media spins stories, the government agencies have so little communication they need to be at least paying attention to the media coverage because the media seems to be the only people in the downtown area in touch with reality.

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75. "Saw it...I was floored."
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53. "RE: CONSOLIDATION: Katrina Media Coverage"
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Heres a question, it may have been asked but:

Why wasn't regular programming on the major networks (ABC, CBS, NBC and FOX) interrupted for this. I expected to see near 24 hour coverage at least for the first few days. They can interrupt it for the OJ trial, for Kobe, for Jacko, for the Tsunami, for 9/11, for Reagans death but not when an entire city of black folks is destroyed? This shit, unlike Reagans death, effects everyone. It's the worst natural fucking disaster to ever hit the US. So where is the major network coverage, if you don't have cable, most likely your not seeing this shit. Which is probably the way the like it.

  

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219. "!"
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54. "Image Banks..."
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USA Today...
http://www.usatoday.com/weather/graphics/hurricane/hurricane2005/flash.htm?strmName=Katrina&strmNum=strm12&tabName=b

Hero of the week is image 11 at this link. Kid stole a bus to take people to Houston.


Routers...
http://www.yahoo.com/_ylh=X3oDMTEwdnZjMjFhBF9TAzI3MTYxNDkEdGVzdAMwBHRtcGwDaW5kZXgtY3Nz/s/252340

Later...
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55. "Start with Slavery..."
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Start with Slavery

This post is about much more than the "looting" of goods in the streets of New Orleans, or the crimes therein, or the desperation of people stranded for days without resources necessary for subsistence, or the absurdity of an American city being inundated by problems that predate public policy and strategic political inaction. No, this goes beyond and before all of that—and it starts with slavery.

Slavery in the Americas began with the brutality wrought onto its Native inhabitants. Columbus sailed in search of gold and other riches (not the thirst for discovery and human enlightenment), and was a murderer that used religion and imperialism to justify the rampant enslavement and massacre of myriad Caribbean “Indians”—eponymously termed because he thought he had reached India (for the record, there is substantial evidence that the Americas had already been explored by other cultures long before 1492, but that is an entirely different conversation). The vast majority of these individuals, both in the Caribbean and subsequently the mainland, were eventually wiped out—massacred, murderered, genocidized, etc—by the combined effects of slave labor, warfare, and foreign diseases at the hands of white settlers and European capitalists. This entire continent was “looted” by white societies—for profit—from its original inhabitants, and Native Americans continue to enjoy the lowest positions in almost every social index and indicator (and are unfortunately ignored in the overall national scheme of things).

Simultaneously, slavery of Africans was becoming increasingly profitable—wildly so—for slave traders and some European nations (the Dutch, Spanish, British especially), and the great need for free labor in the Americas in conjunction with dwindling populations of resistant, dying, or innumerous Native Americans paved the way for another kind of “looting” (again by white societies)—that brutal and “peculiar institution”. Yes, slavery was not new and certainly not solely of the white-on-nonwhite persuasion, but the systematized, demonic nature of the Transatlantic slave trade was utterly unprecedented in breadth and scope (please, no “Africans did it to their own people” and “white people had white indentured servitude” stuff here…we all know Black slavery was different).

U.S. history books do a rather poor job of informing us of these sorts of points of views, and an even more deplorable job of presenting the rest of U.S. history as pertains to race and racism, which is why so many educated, well-meaning, and I would say white and Black people have a difficult time seeing the clear links between what happened 500 years ago and what’s going on now in New Orleans. It would be an understatement to say that the effects of slavery are still being felt by those residents of New Orleans specifically, and by Black people and people of color in general. You need only read up on the failures of the Reconstruction, the fever pitch of overt racism and racial intolerance that lasted until the Civil Rights Act of 1965 (when covert, systematized racism took over); the travesty of sharecropping, the U.S. white terrorism/lynchings of thousands of African Americans and (hundreds of) whites, the Jim Crow laws, the (failure of) Brown vs. Board of Education, the limited benefits of Affirmative Action programs (of which white women have been the greatest benefactors); indeed, the general limitations of the post-slavery and Civil Rights movements as a whole. After slavery as a practice ended, the very vestiges of the racism that fueled it were allowed to endure in the collective U.S. mindset and power structure. Sure, a very small percentage of black people obtained some land, some schools, some education, some “power”—but only negligibly so, and the promises and opportunities to integrate the slaves quickly fell apart as legislation after legislation was compromised or overturned. So you gotta think, millions of African American slaves (most of the Black people of the time) began POOR—no land to start on, no money to build homes, no businesses, no reading + writing skills, no education (that tool that allows us to, when combined with literacy, navigate the power structure), no voting rights, and thus absolutely no political power whatsoever—and what’s scary is that many of these conditions STILL apply to many poor Black people today (and other people of color in the States + the world). And back then, they probably weren’t getting hit with hurricanes pumped with global warming hormones. Before anyone starts pointing “ooh, he’s so racist—he’s assuming those New Orleans black people can’t read and write and ain’t got no money”…stop. Most of those people are there because they didn’t have the resources to get out in time, didn’t have access to resources that fully communicated the impending gravity of the situation, and/or had so much to lose that they would rather try to ride it out to keep the fabric of their livelihood intact. They’re poor.

And in terms of literacy, as a teacher, I can say that the literacy gap (reading and writing) disproportionately affects African-Americans because our public school system is in such a state of racial inequality. African-Americans and Latinos have only a 50% high school graduation rate. In New York, only 1 out of 10 African-American or Latino students is graduating high school with a Regents diploma (what the state considers the minimum required to go on to college). And no, these kids aren’t dropping out of high school and refusing to obtain diplomas at a 90% rate because they want a life of disempowerment, abject poverty, crime, etc, any more than affluent (white) kids are staying in school and going on to college for opposite reasons—it all boils down to inequitable access to opportunity and resources along racial lines, all of which, again, is related to that “peculiar” historical legacy of slavery and racism in the U.S. The reality is a function of a society aborted by rampant inequality. The poor are disproportionately people of color (and even when you don’t include other groups of color…African-American). They are also the ones least likely to have the literacy skills to navigate the power structure (and even with the literacy skills—there is incredible systematic discrimination in full force in the U.S.). They are the ones that have the least political power (few senators/congresspeople of color), the ones that politicians most ignore in policy- and decision-making (e.g., gentrification; the siphoning away of money for levee renovation projects—to yet another ethnocentric, manipulative war—amidst the research and predictions of this very scenario), the ones that get stuck with more defunct voting booths and pricier supermarkets and unhealthier food choices and shittier public schools and greater arrest and incarceration rates and greater unemployment and lack of health insurance and greater mortgage/loan lending discrimination (even with the same credit scores and histories) and greater marginalization and pidgeon-holing into blind consumerism and tracking into lower-paying jobs and lower positive representation in the media and news coverage. Yes, poor, Black people get all of this on top of the collective memories of the slavery and lynchings. The cherry on top? They get demonized for “looting” stores for merchandise in an inundated Blacklantis that has been without any major assistance or nutrition and who the hell knows what else for four days in the—call me arrogant—richest nation in the history of the planet.

Let’s remember that moral appraisal and judgment conveniently change depending on the circumstances—the massacre of the Jews in the Holocaust gets vilified much more than that of the Native Americans or African slaves or Africans today (Sudan, Rwanda, the Congo, etc.). A SWAT team stealing Timbs from a store in New Orleans (happened) gets portrayed differently than (small percentages of) black citizens do—and really, I don’t see this much public outrage when American soldiers take spoils of war. A person caught with 500 grams of powder cocaine gets the same sentence as someone that possesses 5 grams of crack (and not actually, since white cocaine users, which are more likely to use the more expensive powder version, are more likely to have access to a lawyer and other accoutrements of a just penal system, are less likely to be convicted, and are much less likely to be arrested and taken in to begin with—and this is just a racial discrepancy dealing with the justice system alone). White collar crime doesn’t get demonized the same way that street crimes do. The list could go on, and it started with slavery.


My overall point is to provide a greater social and historical context for the behavior dynamics of a *select* and *relatively minor* group of poor Black folks in New Orleans. Murder, rape, and violence is to be abhorred at all times (which society selectively fails to do), but all of these “deviations from societal norms” called crimes are, in my sociological view, a byproduct of unmet needs in our society. You know, if a teacher has an excellent lesson plan that is engaging, he eliminates at least half the potential classroom management problems. If a society provides truly equal opportunities, like access to quality education, jobs, and health coverage to all its citizens (the minimum rights of all people), then a great deal of social diseases in the form of crime would never even crop up. People wouldn’t be stealing DVD players amidst a chaotic storm’s aftermath, and people wouldn’t be shooting each other for survival or opportunism. The onus is on society to make shit work equally for everybody, not just groups already in power. When the legacy of slavery and racism in this nation is resolved—and how easy it might be, if even just the education system and the economy were as accessible to black people as to whites!—we’ll see much less crime and lawlessness, because at that time people’s needs being met will give way for the discussion of greater philosophical issues such as self-restraint and lawfulness in times of emergency and despair—which, by the way, we are able to partake in precisely because we have our immediate physiological needs met. My people in New Orleans don’t have that same luxury. They never have, and after this disaster, they probably never will.

And damn, black people haven’t gotten this much news coverage since the 60’s…in fact, it’s like the only way we get as much news coverage as a missing white person is if we loot a store and start acting up in the inner city…

Our babies are dying from dehydration and racism.

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61. "The bus driver? - Jabbar Gibson, 20, a Hero"
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TWO FACES OF DISASTER

Katrina's aftermath highlights grit of survivors and horrors of unrestrained looting and anarchy
Copyright 2005 Houston Chronicle

Should they run short of plot twists, scriptwriters for a rash of TV disaster shows this fall need look no further for inspiration than the first busload of storm refugees to arrive at the Reliant Astrodome. The journey of more than 50 people from New Orleans to Houston aboard a commandeered vehicle demonstrates how the worst of circumstances can sometimes bring out the best in people.
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The 13-hour drive piloted by first-time bus driver Jabbar Gibson, 20, began Wednesday as trapped New Orleans residents came to the conclusion they could expect no help from the slow developing rescue efforts in the city. As reported by the Chronicle's Salatheia Bryant and Cynthia Leonor Garza, Gibson and others piled into a derelict school bus after getting permission from police and took off, slowly navigating flooded streets and stopping along the way to pick up other refugees on the roadsides. The group pooled their scant cash to buy diapers for babies and refuel the bus as they made their way to Houston and the promise of shelter at the Astrodome.

No good disaster plot is complete without a triumph of individual initiative over unfeeling bureaucracy, and this one's no exception. At the gates to the Astrodome, Red Cross officials initially tried to turn away the bus because it was not part of the officially sanctioned evacuation of the New Orleans Superdome. Earlier, that rationale had led authorities to refuse to help a young mother with five children and a 95-year-old woman passenger in the car when they sought entrance to the relief center.

Luckily, someone with a heart eventually got involved. After a half-hour delay, Jabbar and his plucky band were granted sanctuary inside the Dome.

For those left behind, a more ominous facet of human behavior manifested itself as looters swarmed into unguarded stores, helping themselves to liquor, electronics and firearms. Journalists described hellish scenes where the dead bodies of elderly people sprawled in wheelchairs and lay on sidewalks while armed bands fired at rescue workers and helicopters.

Survivors vented their fury at the failure of authorities to restore order and provide desperately needed water and food. "I don't treat my dog like that," 47-year-old Daniel Edwards told the Associated Press. "You can do everything for other countries, but you can't do nothing for your own people. You can go overseas with the military but you can't get them down here."

Looting and violence are unconscionable but were invited by the failure of federal, state and local authorities to reassert order or even provide basic sustenance for storm survivors. Hurricane Katrina will be remembered less for its rampaging winds and tides than for the inadequate disaster preparations it exposed.

People like Jabbar Gibson show us humanity at its best in trying circumstances. The chaos in New Orleans is a chilling reminder that when government fails to protect its citizens, fear, hunger and desperation can quickly rip the fabric of our civilization

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/editorial/3335822
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they better not try to prosecute his ass for SHIT.

i can't believe we're more worried about property than lives.

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118. "this cat is my new hero"
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193. "Video of Jabbar Gibson..."
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"I dont care if I get blamed for it ," Gibson said, "as long as I saved my people."

http://www.newschannel5.tv/2005/9/1/4255/Taking-refuge-in-the-Astrodome

Give the kid a medal. He acted above and beyond.

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260. "i'm PROUD of him n/m"
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188. "More Images..."
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/katrina/

Live NO TV Web coverage on the scene...
http://www.wdsu.com/video/4907831/detail.html

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201. "this is seriously making me cry."
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57. "I'm from Toronto"
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and on this news talk radio station someone called in and asked how come they don't see any white folks in the news coverage, or in the papers.

I never really thought about it until they asked.

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58. "I am PROUD of our Media!"
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They are taking it to local, state and mainly the federal government. In addition, every channel I watch is talking about how delayed the response is and questioning if this has to do with most of the people being black and poor.

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77. "Anderson Cooper (CNN) went off on one of the senators..."
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He was pissed. And he told Larry King that he is sitting there watching this stuff happen and no one is doing anything. I've seen alot of the media figures really are stand up about this.
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59. "Soledad O'Brien just took it to FEMA"
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But I can't blame them...Bush almost killed them.
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60. "Dude asked the govenor if she blamed herself about asking for troops"
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62. "this situation is showing our governments true colors."
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i do not want to say our countries true colors because black, white, whatever most people in this country want to help anyway they can. Opening their homes, leaving their jobs, using vacation time to help BUT our government is moving very slow. The only reason I can see why they are moving slower than normal is because of the class of the people who need help.

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63. "so now women are getting raped??????"
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71. "I'm sure there were some cases, but..."
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it adds to the chaotic ambiance to throw it in there.

"Rape, pillaging, looting, anarchy..."

Makes it sound more "dark ages".

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65. "this ran in the LAWeekly today"
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i found it on point. jervey's pieces catch me every once and a while, but this one had particular weight to it.

http://www.laweekly.com/ink/05/41/news-tervalon.php

No Second Line for New Orleans
by JERVEY TERVALON

Worrying and praying for New Orleans feels like being at the sickbed of a relative struggling to stay in this world, but you know that the chances aren’t good, and you need to prepare yourself for the worst. So everything rushes around in your mind, a mishmash of the good and the bad, as you reminisce with tears in your eyes. New Orleans missed by the slimmest margins what would have been utter destruction at the hands of Katrina, but even with what seemed to be a reprieve, the city suffered a grievous body blow. The levees were breached, and whitecaps have been sighted on Canal Street, grim portents for a reeling city. But still we hope for New Orleans to hold on and find a second wind and put itself together for a long and painful convalescence.

I’m a native of the Big Easy. But the city’s attraction for me isn’t that it’s the perfect place to get your drink on and party down with the frat boys. New Orleans explains me and my tribe of miscegenated Americans — we colored folk, even the occasional black folk with blond hair and blue eyes. When people ask my race, I often respond by saying, “I’m from New Orleans.” If pressed for what that means, I’ll say, “We marry our cousins.” Sure, I’m joking, but I’m serious about the idea that this place is more than just a city you happened to be born in. History is thick in New Orleans; everywhere you go you experience it, from the Congo Square to the French Quarter, where you can purchase, if you’re so inclined, authentic slave receipts from back in the day. Even weathered shotgun houses that are now probably submerged are romantic with history.

New Orleans is a city that probably shouldn’t have come into existence, but it did, in spite of being located in an inhospitable malarial swamp; a city built by the blood and sweat of slaves that was once one of the richest cities in the world — because it was one of the centers of the world slave trade. And because of that, New Orleans became a city with a complicated color code, which made it possible for Creoles, those octoroons and quadroons, to prosper, and sometimes allowed them to slip through to the other side and become white — “Jean Toomer” white, “Jelly Roll Morton” white, “Anatole Broyard” white.

Every now and then somebody will write some naive thing about race, where we are all becoming new: “My beautiful biracial children will break the mold, and race concerns will be sloughed off like dead skin.” Well, in New Orleans people have been having sex with the “other” for a very long time and producing a motley assortment of colored folk, but race still matters, though my mother says mixed people are the prettiest people. When I see photos of folks struggling to cross a flooded street and all of them are black, dark-skinned, with children in hand, I wonder. Were these people rugged individualists, or poor folks who didn’t have the means to get out of harm’s way? I can be persuaded that it’s only coincidence that in the overwhelming number of news photos, the hurricane refugees are overwhelmingly black, but I suspect that race and class have something to do with it.

A couple of weeks ago I had a conversation with a producer about writing a script about a disaster movie set in New Orleans, but we both thought it would be creepy to spend that much time writing about the destruction of a city that means so much to us. And yet the potential destruction of New Orleans has been in the back of my imagination for years. Many times I’ve envisioned a Category Five hurricane blowing in as Lake Pontchartrain exploded the levees and overwhelmed the gigantic pumps surrounding and protecting the city. The city would flood and the water would have nowhere to go, creating a funky Atlantis. New Orleans would become the greatest natural disaster in the history of the United States. I pictured the world forming a giant Second Line to bid farewell to a beloved city in high New Orleans jazz-funeral style.

There’s comfort in knowing that Hurricane Katrina didn’t turn out to be a Category Five, but it’s still an unmitigated disaster. And depending on how things go in the coming days, we may have need for that Second Line. But my father, who was around before WPA built the seawalls, remembers how the water would just come in and flood everything. He also remembers eating noodles and prunes during the hurricane of 1928, and says that I’m full of it. His opinion is that New Orleans won’t need a Second Line or any other kind of funeral procession if it gets knocked down; we’d just have to rebuild it all over again. I guess that’s how we have to be, those of us who love New Orleans — we have to be as optimistic as my father.

An e-mail circulating the Internet shows the frantic mood:

“I just spoke to my sister-in-law. She is very scared, as are all the staff at the medical center. They can hear gunshots outside. They can see trucks of men driving up and down the street. She says it is like anarchy. They are afraid for their lives. They have stayed behind to care for their patients, but the emphasis on search and rescue does not place them high on the priority list. Their evacuation is proceeding slowly; they still have patients to evacuate first. Reports are that prisoners from the parish prison, which I saw on TV being guarded on an exit ramp near the flooded jail, overwhelmed the guards and are on the loose in the city. Things are MUCH worse than the news reports are conveying. Please keep everyone at Tulane Medical Center in your prayers.”

What can YOU do?

A disaster relief fund-raiser will be held at 3 p.m. on Sunday, September 11, at the St. Anselm Catholic Church (corner of Arlington and 70th Street). The event, featuring musicians, poets and artists, will accept donations for the American Red Cross.

This list has been provided by the Federal Emergency Management Agency in response to the destruction caused by Hurricane Katrina in the Gulf Coast. The groups and their phone numbers are set up solely for cash donations and
volunteers:

Donate Cash:

American Red Cross
1-800-HELP NOW (435-7669) English,
1-800-257-7575 Spanish

Operation Blessing
1-800-436-6348

America's Second Harvest
1-800-344-8070

Donate Cash and Volunteer:

Adventist Community Services
1-800-381-7171

Catholic Charities, USA
703 549-1390

Christian Disaster Response
941-956-5183 or 941-551-9554

Christian Reformed World Relief Committee
1-800-848-5818

Church World Service
1-800-297-1516

Convoy of Hope
417-823-8998

Corporation for National and Community Service Disaster Relief Fund 202-606-6718

Lutheran Disaster Response
800-638-3522

Mennonite Disaster Service
717-859-2210

Nazarene Disaster Response
888-256-5886

Presbyterian Disaster Assistance
800-872-3283

Salvation Army
1-800-SAL-ARMY (725-2769)

Southern Baptist Convention -- Disaster Relief
1-800-462-8657, ext. 6440

United Methodist Committee on Relief
1-800-554-8583

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69. "good read"
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107. "paragraph 3 and 4 were so on point"
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**ima show u how to get ya shine on**

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70. "So the police are being killed because..."
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they're out their in a "post-apocolyptic" wasteland, trying to stop people from stealing sneakers?

After watching the coverage extensively, you can't help but notice how they play the same footage over, and over, and over...

For 4 days, the same footage of the big cops, with shotguns, whomping on people rolling cartfullls of sneakers and clothes. Why do they keep playing this footage?

Looters are an issue, I'm sure....but it's now something out of Mad Max. Why continue to play days-old footage of people stealing TV's? The police are dying out there, the state stopped backing them up, and they're still fighting off looters. Is looting REALLY a focus at this point? I'm sure at first, defending a pawn shop was ideal, but after 4 days under filthy water, is it REALLY worth defending a computer monitor?

Cops are out there in this place, dying now, 'cause people are popping'em, and quite frankly...if I was a police officer, I woulda broke the hell out by now. No, I realize it's easy for me to say this on a computer, and I'm not there to actually WITNESS what's going on, but I'm just going on a common sense degree.

After days, being surrounded by choas, uncertainty (sp), anarchy, no food, water, or medical attention...death...I'm sure the FIRST thing people DON'T want to deal with is police officers tellin them to assume the position.

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72. "MP3 of Mayor Nagin on WWL."
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http://www.atypical.net/mm/nagin.mp3

  

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78. "Mayor Nagin is my new hero."
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I need one right about now too.

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89. "incredible."
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123. "he's the realest !!..LINK to THE MAYOR"
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hear the mayor out here:

http://dynamic.cnn.com/apps/tp/video/us/2005/09/02/wwl.nagin.intv.affl/video.ws.asx

This shit is crazy..i agree w/ whoever else said they were surprised this wasn't all over the news..I watched towers and ground zero for two weeks straight...i have a much closer connection to new orleans and i don't have cable so i can't see shit..relying on friends computers..

just glad all my friends are accounted for! but this is insane...an entire US city is gone! gone for what looks like ever


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73. "MAYOR RAY NAGIN IS MY NIGGA!!!!!!"
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this dude is on CNN talking the realest shit!
cussin bush out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
damn im gonna shake this mofos hand!
anyone watching this? (he on radio program WWL radio)

and he just hit a point i forgot about

bush can approve the itaq war overnight?
but cant make someone drop bags of sand to drop the dam!?!?

he explained the looting situation is based on drug addicts out of control

you can late pass me---im in a place where i finally got cnn so im catching up.

i cannot believe this shit.

check the resume

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do you want more?!!???!-95
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87. "yo, ?uest, we using this site to try and do big things. we HAVE"
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to make these people listen and have respect for us.


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96. "He won't get man of the year like Rudy did though"
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Fuck the feds right now man

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97. "*listening to him now*"
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"get every greyhound bus in the nation and get their asses down here!"

"flying over this in airforce one doesn't do this justice!"

he sounds like samuel l. jackson....

i hear u, ray. i hear you.

this is awful.

and i'm SO glad he mentioned the drug issue, 'cause if that shit happened in baltimore? same deal.

"did the tsunami victims go thru a formal request? did the ppl in iraq ask us to go in there?"

right on, ray


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105. "REAL TALK."
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126. "he's the shit."
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he's the shit..

WHY DOES IT ALWAYS COME DOWN TO THE MAYOR OF A CITY TO STEP UP TO A CRISIS AND NOT THE FUCKING GOVERNMENT!!!

this jus proves that if anything that you vote for that you should vote for a good mayor to run your city.

damn straight.

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167. "cause they care more about their city than the gov't does"
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Whatever this becomes,
Whatever words I say, we are the fortunate ones,
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162. "why? the local authorities have been just as horrible as the feds"
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the people who are supposed to run new orleans have displayed nothing but incompetence. why should that applauded?

  

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249. "the gov is the most insensitive i've heard so far"
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seems like everyone else (nagin, senators, etc.) has been pushing for help to protect the city for YEARS.

to date, everything i've heard places the blame smack dab w/ the feds.


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168. "Where the beef? Thats my new motto"
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Navem nu, cuando sol
Tutu nu, vondo nos nu
Vita em, no continous non
Nos nu ekta nos sepe ta, amen

When the sun shades the ship
We sweat and life is not safe
To swim or to touch not
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79. "Congressional Black Caucus Press Conference Right Now"
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on CNN.

Elijah Cummings is quoting scriptures to Bush.

  

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80. "congressman elijah cummings, d-md, just tore it up on c-span."
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he put everything exactly as it needed to be put.


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83. "yep, to the point"
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and Jesse Jr's about to put 'em in their place about the overcoverage of the looting..

*and of course, they break away

bullshit

  

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91. "IS ANYBODY seein this shit on CNN!!"
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oh my god... how much bush cocksuckin is enough!

"oh thank you mr president for all you've done, we really appreciate it"

  

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92. "Jabbar Gibson: Hero"
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(yes i see it above)

Should they run short of plot twists, scriptwriters for a rash of TV disaster shows this fall need look no further for inspiration than the first busload of storm refugees to arrive at the Reliant Astrodome. The journey of more than 50 people from New Orleans to Houston aboard a commandeered vehicle demonstrates how the worst of circumstances can sometimes bring out the best in people.
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The 13-hour drive piloted by first-time bus driver Jabbar Gibson, 20, began Wednesday as trapped New Orleans residents came to the conclusion they could expect no help from the slow developing rescue efforts in the city. As reported by the Chronicle's Salatheia Bryant and Cynthia Leonor Garza, Gibson and others piled into a derelict school bus after getting permission from police and took off, slowly navigating flooded streets and stopping along the way to pick up other refugees on the roadsides. The group pooled their scant cash to buy diapers for babies and refuel the bus as they made their way to Houston and the promise of shelter at the Astrodome.

No good disaster plot is complete without a triumph of individual initiative over unfeeling bureaucracy, and this one's no exception. At the gates to the Astrodome, Red Cross officials initially tried to turn away the bus because it was not part of the officially sanctioned evacuation of the New Orleans Superdome. Earlier, that rationale had led authorities to refuse to help a young mother with five children and a 95-year-old woman passenger in the car when they sought entrance to the relief center.

  

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93. "the two sides of the global warming = hurricane debate"
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Debate linking global warming and hurricane intensity resumes
One study sees a connection, but other experts say severity is part of a natural cycle

By JOSEPH B. VERRENGIA
Associated Press

Hurricane Katrina's fury has reignited the scientific debate about whether global warming might be making hurricanes more ferocious.
At least one prominent study suggests that hurricanes have become significantly stronger in the past few decades during the same period that global average temperatures have increased.

Katrina blew up in the Gulf of Mexico to a Category 5 hurricane with winds of 175 mph before slackening a bit Monday when it hit, swamping New Orleans and the Mississippi coast.

Other leading scientists agree the Atlantic Basin and Gulf Coast regions are being battered by a severe hurricane phase that could persist for another 20 years or more.

But they think that a natural environmental cycle is responsible rather than any human-induced change, and they point to what they consider to be large gaps in the global warming analysis conducted by a climatologist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

Roger Pielke, who studies the social impacts of natural disasters and climate change at the University of Colorado, said any link between the intensity of Katrina and other recent hurricanes and global warming is "premature." Most forecasts suggest climate change would increase hurricane wind speeds by 5 percent or less later in this century.

Pielke's analysis will be published later this year in the Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society.

"There are good reasons to expect that any conclusive connection between global warming and hurricanes or their impacts will not be made in the near term," he said.

In August, MIT climatologist Kerry Emanuel reported in the journal Nature that major storms spinning in both the Atlantic and the Pacific have increased in duration and intensity by about 50 percent since the 1970s.

During that period, global average temperatures have risen by about one degree Fahrenheit along with increases in the level of carbon dioxide and other heat-trapping pollutants from industry smokestacks, traffic exhaust and other sources.

Hurricanes rely on huge pools of warm water at the surface of the ocean to grow for several days. As trade winds spin the storm, they pull more heat from the ocean and uses it as fuel. Typically, large storms require sea surface temperatures of at least 81 degrees.

Scientists say rising global atmospheric temperatures have been slowly raising ocean temperatures, although they still vary widely from year to year.

On Web logs, scientists and environmentalists in the United States and Europe sparred over the possible connection.

The evidence linking global warming and hurricane intensity might be fuzzy, but it highlights a potential issue worth examining right away, some say.

  

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102. "huge problems w/ equating global warming w/ more hurricanes"
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Look at these three sites first:
http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/Landsea/deadly/index.html
http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/Landsea/deadly/Table4.htm
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/pastdec.shtml

According to the last site, the last half of the last century (ending 2000) saw a greater than 25% drop in the number of hurricanes than the first half of the century. So how is global warming causing more hurricanes now?

The last thirty years has shown a decrease in the average number of category 3/4/5 hurricanes. Each of the last three decades was below average.

I think the consensus is that we have entered a warm temperature cycle in 95 that is still carrying on. This has nothing to do with global warming, but is just the earth doing its thing. However, given the reported oil shortages and price spikes, one doesn't need to talk about global warming anymore to motivate alternative fuel discussions. Also see the NYT magazine article about Peak Oil from two weeks ago.

Even IF (which it didn't) global warming caused Katrina, Bush didn't cause global warming, and even if he fully executed Kyoto, that would have had zero effect on global warming in the last five years.

Spinmeisters are trying to politicize some global warming agenda over the human tragedy. Right now, it's about getting help for the people in New Orleans & its surrounding areas.



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136. "agreed"
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>Spinmeisters are trying to politicize some global warming
>agenda over the human tragedy. Right now, it's about getting
>help for the people in New Orleans & its surrounding areas.

i'm disgusted with the way folks are twisting this to push whatever axe they have to grind

  

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94. "just to reiterate the link in my sig"
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how the black people are "looting" but the white people are "finding"

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2410/214/1600/loot1.jpg

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99. "This is really missing some critical analysis."
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This is really missing some critical analysis.
Different news agencies took & captioned the pics

Two separate news agencies on different continents took & captioned those photos - if one agency had done it, then the argument could be made without question.

Again, different news agencies took & captioned the pics.

The AFB one was European which noted the "finding" people.
The American one (AP) only noted the "looting" people. All the American reports have called it "looting".

You would have had a case if the same news agency from the same continent did this.

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100. "Go look at N.O craigslist."
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http://neworleans.craigslist.org/

The personal ads, Apt ads, the jobs ads, missed connections. man oh man!

There are folks looking for folks to come live with them in exchange for BJs and shit! Like folks saying come live with me but you must be single and have big tits.

im like WTF is reading that shit that was in the Hurrican?

WTF!

  

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103. "FOXNEWS.COM says BUSH is giving his personal attention!"
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http://www.foxnews.com/

LMAO...yeah ok.

What a fucking joke that bush is and his news company fox is!

  

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108. "Mayor of New Orleans Nagin"
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is keeping it real! "So this John Wayne dude hops off the plane." He's just straight telling it like is, going at Bush, everyone.

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109. "09/02/2005 @ 1:20pm - CNN = Photo opp for President Bush"
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All this political posing is making me sick.

  

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110. "An article from A YEAR AGO about the Hurricane Ivan evacuation"
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Published on Friday, September 24, 2004 by TomDispatch.com
Poor, Black, and Left Behind
by Mike Davis


The evacuation of New Orleans in the face of Hurricane Ivan looked sinisterly like Strom Thurmond's version of the Rapture. Affluent white people fled the Big Easy in their SUVs, while the old and car-less -- mainly Black -- were left behind in their below-sea-level shotgun shacks and aging tenements to face the watery wrath.

New Orleans had spent decades preparing for inevitable submersion by the storm surge of a class-five hurricane. Civil defense officials conceded they had ten thousand body bags on hand to deal with the worst-case scenario. But no one seemed to have bothered to devise a plan to evacuate the city's poorest or most infirm residents. The day before the hurricane hit the Gulf Coast, New Orlean's daily, the Times-Picayune, ran an alarming story about the "large group…mostly concentrated in poorer neighborhoods" who wanted to evacuate but couldn't.

Only at the last moment, with winds churning Lake Pontchartrain, did Mayor Ray Nagin reluctantly open the Louisiana Superdome and a few schools to desperate residents. He was reportedly worried that lower-class refugees might damage or graffiti the Superdome.

In the event, Ivan the Terrible spared New Orleans, but official callousness toward poor Black folk endures.

Over the last generation, City Hall and its entourage of powerful developers have relentlessly attempted to push the poorest segment of the population -- blamed for the city's high crime rates -- across the Mississippi river. Historic Black public-housing projects have been razed to make room for upper-income townhouses and a Wal-Mart. In other housing projects, residents are routinely evicted for offenses as trivial as their children's curfew violations. The ultimate goal seems to be a tourist theme-park New Orleans -- one big Garden District -- with chronic poverty hidden away in bayous, trailer parks and prisons outside the city limits.

But New Orleans isn't the only the case-study in what Nixonians once called "the politics of benign neglect." In Los Angeles, county supervisors have just announced the closure of the trauma center at Martin Luther King Jr. Hospital near Watts. The hospital, located in the epicenter of LA's gang wars, is one of the nation's busiest centers for the treatment of gunshot wounds. The loss of its ER, according to paramedics, could "add as much as 30 minutes in transport time to other facilities."

The result, almost certainly, will be a spate of avoidable deaths. But then again the victims will be Black or Brown and poor.

On the fiftieth anniversary of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, the United States seems to have returned to degree zero of moral concern for the majority of descendants of slavery and segregation. Whether the Black poor live or die seems to merit only haughty disinterest and indifference. Indeed, in terms of the life-and-death issues that matter most to African-Americans -- structural unemployment, race-based super-incarceration, police brutality, disappearing affirmative action programs, and failing schools -- the present presidential election might as well be taking place in the 1920s.

But not all the blame can be assigned to the current occupant of the former slave-owners' mansion at the end of Pennsylvania Avenue. The mayor of New Orleans, for example, is a Black Democrat, and Los Angeles County is a famously Democratic bastion. No, the political invisibility of people of color is a strictly bipartisan endeavor. On the Democratic side, it is the culmination of the long crusade waged by the Democratic Leadership Council (DLC) to exorcise the specter of the 1980s Rainbow Coalition.

The DLC, of course, has long yearned to bring white guys and fat cats back to a Nixonized Democratic Party. Arguing that race had fatally divided Democrats, the DLC has tried to bleach the Party by marginalizing civil rights agendas and Black leadership. African-Americans, it is cynically assumed, will remain loyal to the Democrats regardless of the treasons committed against them. They are, in effect, hostages.

Thus the sordid spectacle -- portrayed in Fahrenheit 9/11 -- of white Democratic senators refusing to raise a single hand in support of the Black Congressional Caucus's courageous challenge to the stolen election of November 2000.

The Kerry campaign, meanwhile, steers a straight DLC course toward oblivion. No Democratic presidential candidate since Eugene McCarthy's run in 1968 has shown such patrician disdain for the Democrats' most loyal and fundamental social base. While Condoleezza Rice hovers, a tight-lipped and constant presence at Dubya's side, the highest ranking, self-proclaimed "African American" in the Kerry camp is Teresa Heinz ((born and raised in white-colonial privilege).

This crude joke has been compounded by Kerry's semi-suicidal reluctance to mobilize Black voters. As Rainbow Coalition veterans like Ron Waters have bitterly pointed out, Kerry has been absolutely churlish about financing voter registration drives in African-American communities. Ralph Nader -- I fear -- was cruelly accurate when he warned recently that "the Democrats do not win when they do not have Jesse Jackson and African Americans in the core of the campaign."

In truth, Kerry, the erstwhile war hero, is running away as hard as he can from the sound of the cannons, whether in Iraq or in America's equally ravaged inner cities. The urgent domestic issue, of course, is unspeakable socio-economic inequality, newly deepened by fiscal plunder and catastrophic plant closures. But inequality still has a predominant color, or, rather, colors: black and brown.

Kerry's apathetic and uncharismatic attitude toward people of color will not be repaired by last-minute speeches or campaign staff appointments. Nor will it be compensated for by his super-ardent efforts to woo Reagan Democrats and white males with war stories from the ancient Mekong Delta.

A party that in every real and figurative sense refuses to shelter the poor in a hurricane is unlikely to mobilize the moral passion necessary to overthrow George Bush, the most hated man on earth.

Mike Davis is the author of Dead Cities: And Other Tales as well as Ecology of Fear and co-author of Under the Perfect Sun: the San Diego Tourists Never See, among other books.

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111. "You guys should all be ashamed of yourselves"
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Im sorry, some of these are fucking quotables, and I laughed. Foxnews is the best. Check out my man Larry.

New Orleans Tourists Appalled by Treatment
Friday, September 02, 2005

NEW ORLEANS — First the federal government took the buses they had hired to evacuate them.

Then their hotels turned them out onto the desolate streets.

They trudged for blocks to walk over a bridge, but officers wouldn't let them cross — and fired a few warning shots over their heads to convince them.

And the night was coming down.

Despairing, dozens of trapped tourists huddled on a downtown street corner and waited for dark.

"I grew up in an upper-middle class family. Street life is foreign to me," said Larry Mitzel, 53, of Saskatoon, Saskatchewan. "I'm not sure I'm going to get out of here alive."

The fate of tourists in dozens of hotels here was caught up in the days of chaos and confusion that came after Hurricane Katrina's (search) 145 mph winds.

Many smaller hotels shut down. The largest housed hundreds and hundreds of guests and took in refugees from the storm. How many remained Thursday was unclear.

Tourists and hotel managers alike condemned government officials for ignoring them.

"The tourists are an afterthought here," said Bill Hedrick of Houston, who came to town on business and was trapped with his wife and elderly mother-in-law.

"We're appalled," said Jill Johnson, 53, of Saskatoon. "This city is built on tourism and we're their last priority."

Peter Ambros, general manager of the Astor Crowne Plaza in the French Quarter (search), said, "Guests who bring business to the hotels are treated 10 times worse than the people at the Superdome (search)."

He helped arrange the hiring of 10 buses to evacuate 500 guests from his and a nearby hotel — at a cost of $25,000.

Then the Federal Emergency Management Agency commandeered the buses and police told the guests to go to the nearby convention center, where a crowd left without food, water or security was growing angry.

Instead, the tourists — dragging their rolling luggage through broken glass, smashed bricks and trash — tried to cross a huge bridge blocks away.

They were turned back when another group trying to cross began to threaten the officers, said Whit Herndon, 32, of Jonesboro, Ark.

As night approached, the tourists stuck close together on a corner of the downtown waterfront and within sight of a police gathering point.

Officers brought them food and water and promised buses would come for them. Most prepared to sleep, sheltered by a concrete overhang.

The tourists put on a game face and prepared to sleep.

Ann Robertson, a 50-year-old vocational counselor from Nashville, Tenn., looked on the bright side. They had food, there was safety in numbers — but then she looked at the sky.

"I don't know," she said, "I never slept on the street before."

  

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172. "those idiots had the means and priveledge of fucking leaving.."
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and they're acting like the city of NO owes them fucking everything..

this is why i fucking i hate tourists

Whatever this becomes,
Whatever words I say, we are the fortunate ones,
And when the days are done I won't forget.

  

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112. "CNN: Bush is on his way to New Orleans."
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I hope they boo his ass.

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115. "finally getting to the convention cntr"
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http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/02/katrina.impact/index.html


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113. "The Associated Press are quite racist"
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http://www.hedonistica.com/image.php?path=/archives/ap_racist.jpg

  

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129. "Quit reposting this dumbass pic. Do some critical analysis 1st!"
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This is really missing some critical analysis.
Different news agencies took & captioned the pics

Two separate news agencies on different continents took & captioned those photos - if one agency had done it, then the argument could be made without question.

Again, different news agencies took & captioned the pics.

The AFB one was European which noted the "finding" people.
The American one (AP) only noted the "looting" people. All the American reports have called it "looting".

You would have had a case if the same news agency from the same continent did this.

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132. "fair enough"
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i see your point.

  

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114. "RE: CONSOLIDATION: Katrina Media Coverage"
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Models predicted New Orleans disaster, experts say

By Alan Elsner2 hours, 7 minutes ago

Virtually everything that has happened in New Orleans since Hurricane Katrina struck was predicted by experts and in computer models, so emergency management specialists wonder why authorities were so unprepared.

"The scenario of a major hurricane hitting New Orleans was well anticipated, predicted and drilled around," said Clare Rubin, an emergency management consultant who also teaches at the Institute for Crisis, Disaster, and Risk Management at George Washington University.

Computer models developed at Louisiana State University and other institutions made detailed projections of what would happen if water flowed over the levees protecting the city or if they failed.

In July 2004, more than 40 federal, state, local and volunteer organizations practiced this very scenario in a five-day simulation code-named "Hurricane Pam," where they had to deal with an imaginary storm that destroyed over half a million buildings in New Orleans and forced the evacuation of a million residents.

At the end of the exercise Ron Castleman, regional director for the Federal Emergency Management Agency declared: "We made great progress this week in our preparedness efforts.

"Disaster response teams developed action plans in critical areas such as search and rescue, medical care, sheltering, temporary housing, school restoration and debris management. These plans are essential for quick response to a hurricane but will also help in other emergencies," he said.

In light of that, said disaster expert Bill Waugh of Georgia State University, "It's inexplicable how unprepared for the flooding they were." He said a slow decline over several years in funding for emergency management was partly to blame.

In comments on Thursday, President George W. Bush said, "I don't think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees."

But Louisiana State University engineer Joseph Suhayda and others have warned for years that defenses could fail. In 2002, the New Orleans Times Picayune published a five-part series on "The Big One" examining what might happen if they did.

SCENARIO LAID OUT

It predicted that 200,000 people or more would be unwilling or unable to heed evacuation orders and thousands would die, that people would be housed in the Superdome, that aid workers would find it difficult to gain access to the city as roads became impassable, as well as many other of the consequences that actually unfolded after Katrina hit this week.

Craig Marks who runs Blue Horizons Consulting, an emergency management training company in North Carolina, said the authorities had mishandled the evacuation, neglecting to help those without transportation to leave the city.

"They could have packed people on trains or buses and gotten them out before the hurricane struck. They had enough time and access to federal funds. And now, we find we do not have a proper emergency communications infrastructure so aid workers get out into the field and they can't talk to one another," he said.

Most of those trapped by the floods in the city of some 500,000 people are the poor who had little chance to leave.

Ernest Sternberg, a professor of urban and regional planning at the University of Buffalo, said law enforcement agencies were often more eager to invest in high tech "toys" than basic communications.

"It's well known that communications go down in disasters but people on the frontlines still don't invest in them. A lot of the investments that have been made in homeland security have been misspent," he said.

Several experts also believe the decision to make FEMA a part of the Department of Homeland Security, created after the September 11, 2001 attacks, was a major mistake. Rubin said FEMA functioned well in the 1990s as a small, independent agency.

"Under DHS, it was downgraded, buried in a couple of layers of bureaucracy, and terrorism prevention got all the attention and most of the funds," she said.

Former FEMA director James Lee Witt testified to Congress in March 2004: "I am extremely concerned that the ability of our nation to prepare for and respond to disasters has been sharply eroded.

"I hear from emergency managers, local and state leaders, and first responders nearly every day that the FEMA they knew and worked well with has now disappeared. In fact one state emergency manager told me, 'It is like a stake has been driven into the heart of emergency management,"' he said.

Underlying the situation has been the general reluctance of government at any level to invest in infrastructure or emergency management, said David McEntire, who teaches emergency management at the University of North Texas.

"No-one cares about disasters until they happen. That is a political fact of life," he said.

"Emergency management is woefully underfunded in this nation. That covers not only first responders but also warning, evacuation, damage assessment, volunteer management, donation management and recovery and mitigation issues," he said.

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116. "How the Free Market Killed New Orleans*"
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By Michael Parenti

The free market played a crucial role in the destruction of New Orleans
and the death of thousands of its residents. Armed with advanced warning
that a momentous (force 5) hurricane was going to hit that city and
surrounding areas, what did officials do? They played the free market.

They announced that everyone should evacuate. Everyone was expected to
devise their own way out of the disaster area by private means, just as
the free market dictates, just like people do when disaster hits
free-market Third World countries.

It is a beautiful thing this free market in which every individual
pursues his or her own personal interests and thereby effects an optimal
outcome for the entire society. This is the way the invisible hand works
its wonders.

There would be none of the collectivistic regimented evacuation as
occurred in Cuba. When an especially powerful hurricane hit that island
last year, the Castro government, abetted by neighborhood citizen
committees and local Communist party cadres, evacuated 1.3 million
people, more than 10 percent of the country's population, with not a
single life lost, a heartening feat that went largely unmentioned in the
U.S. press.

On Day One of the disaster caused by Hurricane Katrina, it was already
clear that hundreds, perhaps thousands, of American lives had been lost
in New Orleans. Many people had "refused" to evacuate, media reporters
explained, because they were just plain "stubborn."

It was not until Day Three that the relatively affluent telecasters
began to realize that tens of thousands of people had failed to flee
because they had nowhere to go and no means of getting there. With
hardly any cash at hand or no motor vehicle to call their own, they had
to sit tight and hope for the best. In the end, the free market did not
work so well for them.

Many of these people were low-income African Americans, along with fewer
numbers of poor whites. It should be remembered that most of them had
jobs before Katrina's lethal visit. That's what most poor people do in
this country: they work, usually quite hard at dismally paying jobs,
sometimes more than one job at a time. They are poor not because they're
lazy but because they have a hard time surviving on poverty wages while
burdened by high prices, high rents, and regressive taxes.

The free market played a role in other ways. Bush's agenda is to cut
government services to the bone and make people rely on the private
sector for the things they might need. So he sliced $71.2 million from
the budget of the New Orleans Corps of Engineers, a 44 percent
reduction. Plans to fortify New Orleans levees and upgrade the system of
pumping out water had to be shelved.

Bush took to the airways and said that no one could have foreseen this
disaster. Just another lie tumbling from his lips. All sorts of people
had been predicting disaster for New Orleans, pointing to the need to
strengthen the levees and the pumps, and fortify the coastlands.

In their campaign to starve out the public sector, the Bushite
reactionaries also allowed developers to drain vast areas of wetlands.
Again, that old invisible hand of the free market would take care of
things. The developers, pursuing their own private profit, would devise
outcomes that would benefit us all.

But wetlands served as a natural absorbent and barrier between New
Orleans and the storms riding in from across the sea. And for some years
now, the wetlands have been disappearing at a frightening pace on the
Gulf' coast. All this was of no concern to the reactionaries in the
White House.

As for the rescue operation, the free-marketeers like to say that relief
to the more unfortunate among us should be left to private charity. It
was a favorite preachment of President Ronald Reagan that "private
charity can do the job." And for the first few days that indeed seemed
to be the policy with the disaster caused by Hurricane Katrina.

The federal government was nowhere in sight but the Red Cross went into
action. Its message: "Don't send food or blankets; send money."
Meanwhile Pat Robertson and the Christian Broadcasting Network---taking
a moment off from God's work of pushing John Roberts nomination to the
Supreme Court---called for donations and announced "Operation Blessing"
which consisted of a highly-publicized but totally inadequate shipment
of canned goods and bibles.

By Day Three even the myopic media began to realize the immense failure
of the rescue operation. People were dying because relief had not
arrived. The authorities seemed more concerned with the looting than
with rescuing people. It was property before people, just like the free
marketeers always want.

But questions arose that the free market did not seem capable of
answering: Who was in charge of the rescue operation? Why so few
helicopters and just a scattering of Coast Guard rescuers? Why did it
take helicopters five hours to get six people out of one hospital? When
would the rescue operation gather some steam? Where were the feds? The
state troopers? The National Guard? Where were the buses and trucks? the
shelters and portable toilets? The medical supplies and water?

Where was Homeland Security? What has Homeland Security done with the
$33.8 billions allocated to it in fiscal 2005? Even ABC-TV evening news
(September 1, 2005) quoted local officials as saying that "the federal
government's response has been a national disgrace."

In a moment of delicious (and perhaps mischievous) irony, offers of
foreign aid were tendered by France, Germany and several other nations.
Russia offered to send two plane loads of food and other materials for
the victims. Predictably, all these proposals were quickly refused by
the White House. America the Beautiful and Powerful, America the Supreme
Rescuer and World Leader, America the Purveyor of Global Prosperity
could not accept foreign aid from others. That would be a most deflating
and insulting role reversal. Were the French looking for another punch
in the nose?

Besides, to have accepted foreign aid would have been to admit the
truth---that the Bushite reactionaries had neither the desire nor the
decency to provide for ordinary citizens, not even those in the most
extreme straits. Next thing you know, people would start thinking that
George W. Bush was really nothing more than a fulltime agent of
Corporate America.

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189. "excellent read"
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thanks

  

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117. "An Open Letter from Michael Moore to George W. Bush (Sept 2)"
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http://michaelmoore.com/words/message/index.php?id=183


Friday, September 2nd, 2005
Vacation is Over... an open letter from Michael Moore to George W. Bush

Friday, September 2nd, 2005

Dear Mr. Bush:

Any idea where all our helicopters are? It's Day 5 of Hurricane Katrina and thousands remain stranded in New Orleans and need to be airlifted. Where on earth could you have misplaced all our military choppers? Do you need help finding them? I once lost my car in a Sears parking lot. Man, was that a drag.

Also, any idea where all our national guard soldiers are? We could really use them right now for the type of thing they signed up to do like helping with national disasters. How come they weren't there to begin with?

Last Thursday I was in south Florida and sat outside while the eye of Hurricane Katrina passed over my head. It was only a Category 1 then but it was pretty nasty. Eleven people died and, as of today, there were still homes without power. That night the weatherman said this storm was on its way to New Orleans. That was Thursday! Did anybody tell you? I know you didn't want to interrupt your vacation and I know how you don't like to get bad news. Plus, you had fundraisers to go to and mothers of dead soldiers to ignore and smear. You sure showed her!

I especially like how, the day after the hurricane, instead of flying to Louisiana, you flew to San Diego to party with your business peeps. Don't let people criticize you for this -- after all, the hurricane was over and what the heck could you do, put your finger in the dike?

And don't listen to those who, in the coming days, will reveal how you specifically reduced the Army Corps of Engineers' budget for New Orleans this summer for the third year in a row. You just tell them that even if you hadn't cut the money to fix those levees, there weren't going to be any Army engineers to fix them anyway because you had a much more important construction job for them -- BUILDING DEMOCRACY IN IRAQ!

On Day 3, when you finally left your vacation home, I have to say I was moved by how you had your Air Force One pilot descend from the clouds as you flew over New Orleans so you could catch a quick look of the disaster. Hey, I know you couldn't stop and grab a bullhorn and stand on some rubble and act like a commander in chief. Been there done that.

There will be those who will try to politicize this tragedy and try to use it against you. Just have your people keep pointing that out. Respond to nothing. Even those pesky scientists who predicted this would happen because the water in the Gulf of Mexico is getting hotter and hotter making a storm like this inevitable. Ignore them and all their global warming Chicken Littles. There is nothing unusual about a hurricane that was so wide it would be like having one F-4 tornado that stretched from New York to Cleveland.

No, Mr. Bush, you just stay the course. It's not your fault that 30 percent of New Orleans lives in poverty or that tens of thousands had no transportation to get out of town. C'mon, they're black! I mean, it's not like this happened to Kennebunkport. Can you imagine leaving white people on their roofs for five days? Don't make me laugh! Race has nothing -- NOTHING -- to do with this!

You hang in there, Mr. Bush. Just try to find a few of our Army helicopters and send them there. Pretend the people of New Orleans and the Gulf Coast are near Tikrit.

Yours,

Michael Moore
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P.S. That annoying mother, Cindy Sheehan, is no longer at your ranch. She and dozens of other relatives of the Iraqi War dead are now driving across the country, stopping in many cities along the way. Maybe you can catch up with them before they get to DC on September 21st.

  

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119. "RE: An Open Letter from Michael Moore to George W. Bush (Sept 2)"
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this is late.

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"Michael Jackson in 2003" is to "spent hours in Billy's jeans".- Conan O' Brian.

  

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120. "Oil spill."
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From CNN:

"Huge oil spill spotted near storage tanks on Mississippi River downstream from New Orleans, state officials say. Details soon."

  

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121. "Saw that. Again, "Oil Storm""
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It keeps getting closer.

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FLASH!!

  

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122. "In other News: The Mayor of N.O. is cute"
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n/m

  

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124. "NO Mayor & Bush talking right now."
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You know Bush ain't loving life.

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127. "Haha. 1st laugh today"
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>You know Bush ain't loving life.

Thanks.

  

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125. "On CSPAN2"
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A man just called in and asked after noting the reaction (or lack of) of Bush.

"Do you white people really only want one race to exist?"

Wow. The look on the woman's face was priceless. Katrina Vanden Heuvel, The Nation Editor

Another man just said:

"Only the left is looking down on the government. We don't rely on the federal government, we do for ourselves."
He said he was in an area that was hit and was only out of commission for a couple days as if his situation was comparable.

  

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128. "RE: On CSPAN2"
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>A man just called in and asked after noting the reaction (or
>lack of) of Bush.
>
>"Do you white people really only want one race to exist?"
>
>Wow. The look on the woman's face was priceless. Katrina
>Vanden Heuvel, The Nation Editor
>

I wish I could have seen that.

  

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138. "cspan got that good coverage"
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**ima show u how to get ya shine on**

give me dat million dolla beat and let me show you what to do wit it/ who dat is?/ that's the illest rapper chopped and screwin' it/ couldn't snatch the game is what they told me so i'm provin' it (c) cham

  

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130. "Link to the The Times-Picayune newspaper"
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http://www.nola.com/newslogs/breakingtp/


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131. "WHERE IS FEMA!!!!!? They wanted security they got it!"
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So now that they have security at the Superdome, WHERE IS FEMA?

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133. "Hillary Duff to Donate 250,000"
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This is why I like her.



LOS ANGELES ¡ª Hilary Duff (search) has pledged to donate $250,000 to help Hurricane Katrina (search) victims on the Gulf Coast.

The 17-year-old singer-actress will give $200,000 to the American Red Cross and $50,000 to USA Harvest, which is supplying food to shelters, according to a statement released Thursday by publicist Cece Yorke. The latter donation will amount to more than 300,000 cans of food being provided to victims.

Duff encouraged fans to bring canned food donations to her concerts and to give money to charities.

"It's heartbreaking to see the devastation on TV. People are missing family members, and they have absolutely nothing left, not even food and water," she said in the statement.

Duff's screen credits include "The Lizzie McGuire Movie," "Cheaper by the Dozen" and "A Cinderella Story."

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135. "isn't Britney Spears from Louisiana?"
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I haven't heard anything from her...yeah, we ARE talking about B.S. (funny how those are her initials), but still

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140. "She's too busy trying to get shows in Las Vegas"
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At least according to what I read in the paper today. She's trying to pull a Celine Dion. I'm not a Dion can but at least she can sing.



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142. "Not a Britney fan but..."
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I'd be willing to bet she's already donated.

She IS quite charitable, and it's her home state. She goes back there several times a year too.

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134. "Mother Jones article:"
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http://www.motherjones.com/mojoblog/archives/2005/08/hurricane_party.html

Though we are experiencing one of the worst hurricanes in the nation's history, this waterfront scene looks peaceful, elegant, and intact. That is because the Hotel del Coronado is in San Diego, far away from Katrina's devastating winds. It is also where George W. Bush spent last night, while thousands of people in Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama fled in snail-like traffic, searched for loved ones, swam through the streets, or hung out of attic windows, yelling for help.

While levees burst, a major New Orleans bridge came apart, buildings were swallowed by floodwaters, and looters took over the city, the National Guard was nowhere to be seen. To patch one of the levees, 3,000 sandbags were to have been dropped by Blackhawk helicopters, but they never arrived.

Though reading The Pet Goat while the country was under attack may have made Bush look inept, partying at an oceanside resort while Americans are losing their homes, their sources of income, and their lives is, at the very least, an example of shockingly poor taste, not to mention an abandonment of leadership. New Orleans is in a state of absolute chaos, despite the presence of a competent mayor and a competent governor. Hurricane Katrina has created a national disaster. Bush has done everything in his power to prevent the restoration of Louisiana's coast, and he has severely cut funding for hurricane protection. It is no surprise that he doesn't want to look Governor Blanco in the eye. But whooping it up at a resort while Gulf Coast states endure a living hell is a new low.

Posted by Diane E. Dees on 08/30/05 at 08:26 PM

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137. "whatever happened w/the hostage situation in the prison?"
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139. "I want to see an interview with someone saying "I need my weed""
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My cousin is someone who is always crying about seizures, but the moment he gets weed, he's doing cartwheels.


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141. "Troops bring Supplies to Convention center"
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Convoys bring relief to New Orleans
Refugees cheer convoys; Bush meets with mayor, governor

Friday, September 2, 2005; Posted: 5:04 p.m. EDT (21:04 GMT)




NEW ORLEANS, Louisiana (CNN) -- On the day President Bush visited this devastated city, thousands of tired and angry people stranded at the convention center welcomed National Guard troops and trucks carrying food, water and medicine with cheers and tears of joy.

"The crowd erupted," said Tishia Walters, a woman in the convention center crowd told CNN by telephone.

"Flags went flying, people shouting and waving. There's like 7,000 people out here in dying conditions," she added.

Walters said she was outside of the center when she saw the National Guard and police arrive.

"It's amazing. They've come in full force," she said.

Lt. Gen. Russel Honore was directing the deployment of National Guard troops -- expected to number 1,000 -- from a New Orleans street corner. (See video of the convoy roll through floodwaters -- 3:33)

Honore said getting food and water to the people at the convention center was difficult. "If you ever have 20,000 people come to supper, you know what I'm talking about," the general said. "If it was easy, it would have been done already."

CNN's Barbara Starr, who is traveling with the three-star general, said Honore is "very determined to keep this looking like a humanitarian relief operation." (See the mayor's order to stop the talking and send soldiers to help -- 1:00)

"A few moments ago, he stopped a truck full of National Guard troops ... and said, 'Point your weapons down, this is not Iraq,' " Starr reported.

Authorities continued working to evacuate the Ernest N. Morial Convention Center, trying to help the weakest people first.

Nagin said in a statement that more than 10,000 people had been evacuated from the city Thursday but that more than 50,000 survivors were still on rooftops and in shelters, in urgent need of help.

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143. "Int'l editorials courtesy of BBC"
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4207542.stm

Interesting response. Check out Germany's Die Tageszeitung.

  

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144. "That speech bush just made was fucking pathetic"
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at least on 9/11 he SEEMED like a leader. now hes not even trying

*Jews you*

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146. "Get a rope"
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147. "huh?"
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*Jews you*

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153. "It's that old Salsa commercial"
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Dude says, "get a rope" meaning lynch this bitch.

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149. "because they prepared the shit out of that 9/11 speech"
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this shit was thought up on a chopper

"this was a devastating storm"

brilliant dubya

shit, Geraldo could've done better than that.

  

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150. "thought up on a chopper? hes had FIVE FUCKING DAYS"
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do better.

*Jews you*

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151. "so in five days they prepared a speech"
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that was made to look like it was thought up on a chopper

  

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157. "thats just stupid"
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strategically, that would imply that he hasnt been thinking about it for the past 5 days, and finally decided he should say something. it makes him look worse, from a spin perspective.

*Jews you*

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160. "I was being facetious"
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I agree his speech was garbage..

his 9/11 speech was this huge presentation and address to the world. you could tell major preparation was involved.

his speech here did not seem prepared at all. If anything went into it besides some notes being put together on a chopper, it's beyond sad.

  

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145. "AND WE HAVEN'T ACCEPTED RELIEF FROM OTHER"
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COUNTRIES YET!
Sorry about the caps....yesterday on the news they said they haven't accepted the help from 20 muthafuckin countries yet because the Bush adminstration said: "We are asessing what needs to be done"...MUTHAFUCKAWHATTYPEOFSHIMSHAMBULLSHITISTHIS!!!

Black people does this not paint a clear picture for you?
We got ta re-arrange our mindsets.
And all you people saying you can't blame the government for everything need to shut your hypocritical asses up.
Because you KNOW this shit is wrong....YES we need to help and I am in the process of making donations, me and my girl, but gatdayum you cannot deny the racial/political aspects of this disaster.
FUCK DA GOVAMENT!


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158. "we (Canada) are sending help..."
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next week i guess

http://www.canada.com/national/features/extreme_weather/story.html?id=f06bc9b8-7846-448d-a367-b022522f674f

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148. "AP Reports That One of the Buses Overturned"
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http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/K/KATRINA_EVACUEE_WRECK_HK1?SITE=SCFLO&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&SECTION=HOME

Report: Evacuee Bus Overturns; One Dead


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OPELOUSAS, La. (AP) -- One Hurricane Katrina refugee died and many others were injured when a bus carrying them from the Superdome overturned and rolled across a highway median.

At least 10 people were taken to hospitals, several critically injured, The Daily World of Opelousas reported on its Web site.

Trooper Willie Williams, spokesman for the state police, said the driver lost control of the vehicle, but other details were not immediately known.


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152. "Damn."
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....damn.




  

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155. "vote on lou dobbs poll about whether the govt officials should"
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be held accountable for their failures in disaster recovery (hell yes).

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/lou.dobbs.tonight/

it went from 93% yes to 89% yes. stuff like this influences weak minded people. so click right quick and vote yes.


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159. "how in thee FUCK does *this* happen...."
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i'm watching abc world news tonight and they should the national guard (finally) arriving at the foodless/waterless convention center and the bastards march past the tax-paying americans to rescue some spanish chick & her family who were vacationing in new orleans and got stuck.

it reminds me of that scene from hotel rwanda where they rescued all the white tourists and did nothing for the natives.

i know i shouldn't be surprised, but i mean shit.

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161. "Anderson Cooper is bitching out Trent Lott"
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He got Trent to say that he's happy with the Federal help.

That man is the best reporter in the country right now.
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163. "TURN TO THE O'REILLY FACTOR!"
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GEraldo is at the Convention Center they still do not have no where near enough buses. Geraldo had two of the head NO police offices talking about they need buses now and they were pissed! It is about to get dark and people are angry.

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164. "O'REILLY is an @$$hole"
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dude is talking bout the dying people and o'reilly is like "yeah, yeah, i know...i know..."

and do they give him the dumbest black folk to interview? He just interviewed some dude about the race factor in all this, and dude sounded straight ignorant

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195. "RE: O'REILLY is an @$$hole"
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"the lesson learned is, if you rely on the government for anything, you will be disappointed" (c) o'reilly

  

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170. "historical sites or people?"
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which do you save?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9159026/

  

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171. "Media Moments:"
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3. New Orleans Mayor Nagin flips out on air:



http://www.wonkette.com/politics//nagins-nightmare-full-transcript-123683.php

Excerpt:

ROBINETTE: Well, you and I must be in the minority. Because
apparently there's a section of our citizenry out there that thinks
because of a law that says the federal government can't come in
unless requested by the proper people, that everything that's going
on to this point has been done as good as it can possibly be.

MAYOR NAGIN: Really?

ROBINETTE: I know you don't feel that way.

NAGIN: Well, did the tsunami victims request? Did it go through a formal process to request?

You know, did the Iraqi people request that we go in there? Did they ask us to go in there?

What is more important?

And I'll tell you, man, I'm probably going get in a whole bunch of trouble. I'm probably going to get in so much trouble it ain't even funny. You probably won't even want to deal with me after this interview is over.

and:

4. Jack Cafferty goes off on Bush admin.

Cafferty: ...I'm 62 and I remember the riots in Watts, I remember the earth Quake in San Francisco, I remember a lot of things. I have never, ever seen anything as badly bungled and poorly handled as this situation in New Orleans. Where the hell is the water for these people. Why can't sandwiches be dropped to those people that are in that Super Dome down there...This is Thursday...This storm happened five days ago. It's a disgrace and don't think the world isn't watching...

VIDEO HERE: http://movies.crooksandliars.com/The-Situation-Room-Cafferty-on%20Katrina.mov

UPDATE here is another:

FOX brings you the best in reporting



SHEPARD SMITH: You're live on FOX News Channel, what are you doing?

MAN: Walking my dogs.

SMITH: Why are you still here? I'm just curious.

MAN: None of your fucking business.

SMITH: Oh that was a good answer, wasn't it? That was live on
international television. Thanks so much for that. You know we apologize.

  

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174. "FUCK THE POLICE -but gently..."
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but i saw a report tonight
where a PO told "looters"
{u say looter, i say survior, like who would they pay anyhow??? cashier #7??? where are they goin to take the shit, HOME???}
who told some would-be looters in a store
"i can't really stop u all frum doin what u have to do"

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175. "FOXNEWS is interviewing the young man who took the bus...."
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and took all those people to Houston. That was honorable of him. He deserves the recognition.

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176. "They emptied the PRIVATE hospital at Tulane BUT...."
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Charity Hospital as of this evening had 200 patients still in it and it is right next door. Charity Hospital is the largest public hospital in New Orleans.

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177. "all the stuff i see just baffles me"
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do they really think people are buying this shit? oh nooooow they are bringing in help people are getting better. FUCK THAT motherfuckers are fighting for their live out there.

i bet it is so scary there at night...i pray for those people. it seems like hell.

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178. "STOP. CALLING. THEM. REFUGEES!!!!!!!!"
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179. "co-sign!!!!"
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stupid bastards. So you think after all this is settled, they gonna make N.O the new Vegas?

  

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184. "I know, right?"
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These people are fucking SURVIVORS. They are not fleeing to another country or some shit. These are americans. But hey, who am I kidding. Black Americans have always been treated like this isn't our country.

  

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185. "psst"
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http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=refugee&x=4&y=8

Main Entry: ref·u·gee
Pronunciation: "re-fyu-'jE, 're-fyu-"
Function: noun
Etymology: French réfugié, past participle of (se) réfugier to take refuge, from Latin refugium
: one that flees; especially : a person who flees to a foreign country or power to escape danger or persecution
- ref·u·gee·ism /-"i-z&m/ noun

  

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212. "was that supposed to prove something??"
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the political definition of refugee is not applicable to this scenario

http://uscis.gov/graphics/howdoi/refugee.htm

The Immigration and Nationality Act defines "refugee" in Sec. 101(a)(42) as:

(A) any person who is outside any country of such person's nationality or, in the case of a person having no nationality, is outside any country in which such person last habitually resided, and who is unable or unwilling to return to, and is unable or unwilling to avail himself or herself of the protection of, that country because of persecution or a well-founded fear of persecution on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion, or

(B) in such circumstances as the President after appropriate consultation (as defined in section 207(e) of this Act) may specify, any person who is within the country of such person's nationality or, in the case of a person having no nationality, within the country in which such person is habitually residing, and who is persecuted or who has a well-founded fear of persecution on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion. The term "refugee" does not include any person who ordered, incited, assisted, or otherwise participated in the persecution of any person on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion. For purposes of determinations under this Act, a person who has been forced to abort a pregnancy or to undergo involuntary sterilization, or who has been persecuted for failure or refusal to undergo such a procedure or for other resistance to a coercive population control program, shall be deemed to have been persecuted on account of political opinion, and a person who has a well founded fear that he or she will be forced to undergo such a procedure or subject to persecution for such failure, refusal, or resistance shall be deemed to have a well founded fear of persecution on account of political opinion.

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261. "CO-fvckin SIGN!"
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180. "for all the media"
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ref·u·gee ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rfy-j)
n.
One who flees in search of refuge, as in times of war, political oppression, or religious persecution.

  

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186. "for frank castle"
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see #185

  

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182. "the mayor of N.O"
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I hope this lonk workd for those who didn't hear the interview.

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183. "Bush and HARD WORK..."
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It made my skin crawl this morning, watching him do the press opp with the MS governor, introducing him by way of saying "he didn't ask for this, but he's handled it well" or something like that (uh...he kinda did ask for it, he's the fucking governor for chrissakes. Don't you have to, like, CAMPAIGN for governor, or president for that matter?). I'm so sick of hearing this muhfuggah talk about how "hard" his job is. "Hard work" is waking up at 4:00 a.m. to help open a McDonald's for the morning shift for 50 cents above minimum wage. "Hard work" is {or was} taking a bus from the 9th Ward PJs to work as a bellhop for wealthy tourists in a downtown NO hotel during Mardi Gras.

  

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187. "OH, LOOK."
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http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050903/ap_on_re_us/katrina_superdome_hk1

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190. "When Newscasters Get Angry (swipe)"
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http://slate.msn.com/id/2125581/?nav=tap3

The Rebellion of the Talking Heads
Newscasters, sick of official lies and stonewalling, finally start snarling.
By Jack Shafer
Posted Friday, Sept. 2, 2005, at 2:36 PM PT


A former deputy chief of FEMA told Knight Ridder Newspapers yesterday (Sept. 1) that there "are two kinds of levees—the ones that breached and the ones that will be breached." A similar aphorism applies to broadcasters: They come in two varieties, the ones that have gone stark, raving mad on air and the ones who will.

In the last couple of days, many of the broadcasters reporting from the bowl-shaped toxic waste dump that was once the city of New Orleans have stopped playing the role of wind-swept wet men facing down a big storm to become public advocates for the poor, the displaced, the starving, the dying, and the dead.

Last night, CNN's Anderson Cooper abandoned the old persona to throttle Sen. Mary Landrieu, D-La., in a live interview.

"Does the federal government bear responsibility for what is happening now? Should they apologize for what is happening now?" Cooper opened.

As if campaigning before the local Democratic Ladies' Club lunch, Landrieu sing-songed back, "Anderson, there will be plenty of time to discuss all of those issues, about why, and how, and what, and if." She went on to thank President Bush, President Clinton, former President Bush, Senators Frist and Reid, and "all leaders that are coming to Louisiana, and Mississippi, and Alabama, "for their help.

Her condescending filibuster continued: "Anderson, tonight, I don't know if you've heard—maybe you all have announced it—but Congress is going to an unprecedented session to pass a $10 billion supplemental bill tonight to keep FEMA and the Red Cross up and operating."

Cooper suspended the traditional TV rules of decorum and, approaching tears of fury, said:

Excuse me, Senator, I'm sorry for interrupting. I haven't heard that, because, for the last four days, I've been seeing dead bodies in the streets here in Mississippi. And to listen to politicians thanking each other and complimenting each other, you know, I got to tell you, there are a lot of people here who are very upset, and very angry, and very frustrated.

And when they hear politicians slap—you know, thanking one another, it just, you know, it kind of cuts them the wrong way right now, because literally there was a body on the streets of this town yesterday being eaten by rats because this woman had been laying in the street for 48 hours. And there's not enough facilities to take her up.

Do you get the anger that is out here? …

I mean, I know you say there's a time and a place for, kind of, you know, looking back, but this seems to be the time and the place. I mean, there are people who want answers, and there are people who want someone to stand up and say, "You know what? We should have done more. Are all the assets being brought to bear?"

Landrieu kept her cool, probably because she's in Baton Rouge, while the stink of corpses caused Cooper to tremble in rage all the way to the commercial break.

Yesterday, on NPR's All Things Considered, Robert Siegel didn't get medieval on Secretary of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff, in part because the microphones there are specially fabricated to decant all emotion from the voices of their reporters. But Siegel aggressively blocked every escape route that Chertoff took to evade hard questions about "corpses" and "human waste" piling up at the city's convention center, where thousands were stranded without provisions. (Siegel gets tough at about minute four in the audio clip.)

Siegel kept asking Chertoff how long it would take to serve or rescue these people, and a couple times Chertoff answered that the government was doing a great job at the Superdome.

When he cautioned Siegel about the danger of relying on "anecdotal" "rumors" of people in dire straits, Siegel said, no—these are facts presented by reporters who have covered war zones. There are 2,000 people at the convention center in need, he said. Having finally broken through the steel plate that is Chertoff's skull, the secretary confessed he hadn't heard those reports—reports that the television networks were documenting, live, with their cameras. Chertoff promised he'd look into the matter.

Several readers directed me to CNN reporter Miles O'Brien's hard-boiled interview with Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour in which he repeatedly invited the governor to agree with him that the federal government had "dropped the ball." When Barbour demurred on this and other points of culpability, O'Brien came back at him without the politesse reporters usually extend to dissembling pols.

I recall Andrea Mitchell all but editorializing on NBC the other night about Congress taking its sweet time to reconvene and pass a hurricane-relief bill … Fox News Channel's Shepard Smith chasing after a mute police officer down the New Orleans freeway overpass and asking in outrage when the stranded would get help … and MSNBC's Joe Scarborough in Biloxi transforming himself into the voice of the disenfranchised to put in a good word for the looters:

You got to understand that these are people who have young babies who haven't had water in four days, in some cases, haven't had formula, haven't had basic necessities. I just wonder what you would do, what I would do if we were in a situation where our 15-month-old child or our 2-year-old baby needed something to stay alive. I don't know what you would do. I know I would do anything it took to get what they needed.

Now, I should be getting it from the federal government if I am in New Orleans, from the state government. But I will tell you what. It is amateur hour, and it has been amateur hour over the past four or five days. This is completely different, friends, from the way the crises were handled in Florida last year, four hurricanes, two of them major, it was handled with ruthless efficiency. I know. I was there. That is not happening tonight in New Orleans.

This morning the discontent spread to the anchor booth at CNN, as Wonkette notes, when Soledad O'Brien openly mocked FEMA in an interview with its director, Michael Brown:

As you can tell, the situation clearly is deteriorating. You've got armed bandits roving the streets. They're heavily armed. You've got people living out on the streets with absolutely no protection, no help whatsoever, no food, no water. How many armed National Guardsmen do you have on the ground right now? …

How is it possible that we're getting better intel than you're getting? …

FEMA has been on the ground for four days, going into the fifth day. Why no massive airdrop of food and water? In Banda Aceh, in Indonesia, they got food dropped two days after the tsunami struck. …

It's five days that FEMA has been on the ground. The head of police says it's been five days that FEMA has been there. The mayor, the former mayor, putting out SOS's on Tuesday morning, crying on national television, saying please send in some troops. So the idea that, yes, I understand that you're feeding people and trying to get in there now, but it's Friday. It's Friday. …

CNN anchor Jack Cafferty growled about the media coverage of Katrina's victims yesterday on Wolf Blitzer's The Situation Room, name-checking me and citing my Wednesday column about the broadcasters' failure to acknowledge the race and economic class of the hardest-hit.

Said Cafferty:

We knew it was coming. And yet, the poorest and the neediest and the most helpless of those in New Orleans, well, they're still there, aren't they? Despite the many angles of this tragedy—and lord knows there've been a lot of them in New Orleans—there is a great big elephant in the living room that the media seems content to ignore.

That would be until now. Slate.com's Jack Shafer wrote today in his column that television coverage has shied away from talking about race and class. Shafer says that we in the media are ignoring the fact that almost all of the victims in New Orleans are black and poor. And he's right. Almost every person we've seen, from the families stranded on their rooftops waiting to be rescued, to the looters, to the people holed up in the Superdome, are black and poor.

Many of them didn't follow the evacuation orders because they didn't have the means to get out of town. They just couldn't do it. A lot of them are sick, a lot of them don't have cars, a lot of them just didn't have the means to leave "The Big Easy." And they're still there.

This gave the Washington-based Blitzer a perfect opening to comment on race and class, but he stumbled and fell into a "Campanis moment." While airing file footage of victims trudging through hip-deep water looking for help, Blitzer, no racist, said:

You simply get chills every time you see these poor individuals, as Jack Cafferty just pointed out, so tragically, so many of these people, almost all of them that we see, are so poor and they are so black, and this is going to raise lots of questions for people who are watching this story unfold.

(Note to Blitzer: You might be one of those guys, like Campanis, who shouldn't talk about race extemporaneously. Next time, try channeling your outrage from the pages of a well-thought-out news script.)

The rebellion of the talking heads reached its culmination today as CNN.com contrasted "the official version" of events in New Orleans with its "in-the-trenches" account by its reporters and authoritative sources. Muted compared to the on-air growling, the Web story still portrays the government as a pack of liars, or worse, as bumbling idiots. The broadcasters' angry dispatches break with the "public face" they usually give their work: polite, patient, neutral, generous. A steady diet of such confrontational reporting would probably be as edifying as a Jerry Springer show. But when the going gets this tough—when government incompetence and lies become so insurmountable—sometimes the only way to get the story is by getting mad.

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Get this: Rush Limbaugh called me a liberal on his show yesterday for my Wednesday column about the news broadcasters' general neglect of race and class. Said Limbaugh, "The whole purpose of this story for Mr. Shafer and these stories on these lower level websites that hopefully they think will percolate to the mainstream press is to eventually indict the American way of life, to indict the American culture, to indict the American society as inherently unfair and racist." I can't wait to impress my friends at the American Prospect by sending the transcript over. Meanwhile, call me a communist, a fascist, a neo-con, an anarcho-syndicalist, or late to dinner via e-mail: slate.pressbox@gmail.com. (E-mail may be quoted unless the writer stipulates otherwise.)

Jack Shafer is Slate's editor at large.

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191. "Oh SHit....CNN HEadline News just cut off Tom JOyner"
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...they "lost their feed" while he was talking about his Black America website

  

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192. "*DISCLAIMER* I AM NOT ATTEMPING TO OFFEND ANYONE"
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WITH THIS POST....

this is jus something that me and my parents were saying....

*ahem* I know how some of you African American brothas and sistas don't really think of yourselves as African by any means and im sure you know some brothas and sistas that would turn on the the TV, see some biased media coverage of a small famine somewhere in Africa and be like "look at those Africans...cant do nothing right" or even do so yourselves.

Now look at NO.

I come from Ghana and am based in the UK. We have a lot of problems, in Ghana, such as the brothas and sistas are having in NO right now in the North of the country (mainly) except the tidal waves. This means famine, unfair trading practices resulting in barely keeping your head above water, death, disease, things nearing civil war and other things. For those of you who thought or have/had made comments like in my first paragraph I hope that this disaster in NO makes you really think.

I hope you can learn that the African's (I don't really say black - im sorry if that offends you) problems are worldwide not jus 'over there'

I hope that you now have greater awareness of how easy it is for things to descend into chaos when faced with future extreme poverty aswell.

I also hope that those brothas and sistas (when somehow these whole disgusting mess is resolved hopefully) in NO who survive realise the next time they see some biased coverage of back home (im talkin about the continent now) on TV can realise that we are all the same, we are ONE people.

I know I rambled and went off point but I hope what im trying to say can shine through.
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196. "WTF are you talkin about...."
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From what I know and hear that Africans do not like us... what chu talking. Your parents need a rude awakening. This was unnesscessary.

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207. "yes. ALL africans dislike african americans."
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thats just stupid.

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211. "I get it I read all of it finally..."
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So my bad... I was just hot headed.

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228. "we all are right now."
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its all good.

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200. "you are preaching to the choir....."
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folks on this website are very aware.

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231. "yeah, really n/m"
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194. "RE: CONSOLIDATION: Katrina Media Coverage"
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197. "The Unasked Question:"
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http://www.onthemedia.org/stream/ram.py?file=otm/otm090205a.mp3

Early in the week, discussions began online about the way much of the TV coverage of Katrina's impact was ignoring obvious questions of race and class. On Wednesday, Slate media critic Jack Shafer accused TV news of skirting one of the most visually clear aspects of the story – that blacks in New Orleans were more directly hurt than whites. Mark Jurkowitz, media analyst for the Boston Phoenix speaks to Brooke about the questions left largely unasked and unanswered.

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198. "RE: the Helicopter coverage"
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At what point do these journalists cross the line between coverage and concern and drop some water bottles off to these people standing on their roofs?
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199. "What is BET's coverage like?"
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I'm not in the states right now.

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202. "THEY NEED HELP IN MISSISSIPPI STILL! 9/03/05"
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Many places still have not gotten any help. GulfPort has not seen one sign of Aid yet. Black, White, whatever these folk need help. Spread the word!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050903/ap_on_re_us/katrina_mississippi_hk2
Mississippians' Suffering Overshadowed

By EMILY WAGSTER PETTUS, Associated Press Writer 34 minutes ago

Television cameras focus relentlessly on the hellish chaos of New Orleans while hurricane survivors across south Mississippi are desperate for food, clean water and shelter.

Some are angry about a slow federal response to their suffering. Others, aware of the nightmare in New Orleans, say they're prepared to tough it out until relief comes. For many others, there is no news about the outside world because they don't have electricity or newspapers.

On Saturday, Mississippi's death toll from Hurricane Katrina was 144, according to confirmed reports from coroners and the Mississippi Emergency Management Agency. Gov. Haley Barbour had said Friday that the total was 147, but he didn't provide a county-by-county breakdown. He also said he expected the number to rise.

Along the battered Mississippi Gulf Coast on Saturday, crews for the first time started searching boats for corpses. Several shrimpers are believed to have died as they tried to ride out the storm aboard their boats on the Intracoastal Waterway a couple of miles inland.

In poverty-stricken north Gulfport, Grover Chapman expressed disgust that his neighborhood has received no aid from government agencies or from private groups such as the American Red Cross.

"Something should've been on this corner three days ago," Chapman, 60, said Saturday as he fed his neighbors.

He used wood from his demolished All Seasons produce stand to cook fish, rabbit, okra, and butter beans he'd been keeping in his freezer. The neighborhood is about five miles inland from the beach. Though many houses are still standing, they're severely damaged and corrugated tin roofs lie on the ground.

"I'm just doing what I can do," Chapman said. "These people support me with my produce stand every day. Now it's time to pay them back."

One of Chapman's neighbors, 78-year-old Georgia Smylie, knows little about what's happening beyond her own neighborhood. She's worried about her own situation.

"My medicine is running out. I need high blood pressure medicine, medicine for my heart," she said.

Larry Sabato, a University of Virginia political scientist, said he's been watching hours of Katrina coverage every day and most of the national networks' attention focuses on devastation and looting in New Orleans. He says people in other parts of the country want to help victims, but Mississippi is at a disadvantage because the state is getting less attention.

"Mississippi needs more coverage," Sabato said. "Until people see it on TV, they don't think it's real."

President Bush toured ravaged areas of the Mississippi coast on Friday with Barbour, Lt. Gov. Amy Tuck and other state officials. They also flew over flooded New Orleans.

"I'm going to tell you, Mississippi got hit much harder than they did, but what happened in the aftermath — it makes your stomach hurt to go miles and miles and miles and the houses are all under water up to the roof or halfway up," Barbour said.

Richard Gibbs and his wife, Holly, are stuck at their home in Gulfport just off the Biloxi River. Their home flooded to the second floor, the couple is out of gasoline and food supplies are running perilously low.

Holly's 75-year-old father, Charles Slater, who has a pacemaker and has severe diabetes, was with them until the couple got an ambulance to take him to an airport so he could be airlifted to Lafayette, La., for medical help.

Richard Gibbs said Mississippi needs help and he's disgusted by reports of looting in New Orleans.

"I say burn the bridges and let 'em all rot there," he said. "We're suffering over here too, but we're not killing each other. We've got to help each other. We need gas and food and water and medical supplies."

Keisha Moran, who has been living in a tent in a department store parking lot in Bay St. Louis with her boyfriend and three young children, was furious that it took President Bush several days to tour the Mississippi coast.

She laughed bitterly when asked about his trip on Friday.

"It's how many days later? How many people are dead?" Moran said.

She said National Guardsmen have brought her water, but she said there had been no other aid so far. She complained that Florida received federal relief more quickly when it was hit by a string of hurricanes last year and wondered aloud whether the fact that the president's brother is governor there has anything to do with the timing.

In a strongly worded editorial, The Sun Herald of Biloxi-Gulfport pleaded for help for south Mississippi and questioned why a massive National Guard presence wasn't already visible.

"We understand that New Orleans also was devastated by Hurricane Katrina, but surely this nation has the resources to rescue both that metropolitan (area) and ours," the newspaper editorialized. "Whatever plans that were in place to deal with such a natural disaster have proven inadequate. Perhaps destruction on this scale could not have been adequately prepared for."

Survival basics — ice, gasoline and medicine — have been too slow to arrive, the paper wrote.

The paper wrote: "We are not calling on the nation and the state to make life more comfortable in South Mississippi, we are calling on the nation and the state to make life here possible."

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Associated Press reporter David Royse and Brian Skoloff in Gulfport and Jay Reeves in Bay St. Louis contributed to this report.

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203. "SATURDAY!!!"
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Who is giving the order to stop the buses and why was the order been given?

What happened to "leave no man behind?"

INCOMPETENCE
INDIFFRENCE
or
INABILITY?

  

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204. "I NEED HELP WITH A DEBATE I'M HAVING"
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with this girl on another message board. She said that people were KILLING others for material things inside the Superdome. Is this true?

  

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206. "there have been a lot of rumors and misinformation (LINK):"
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http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-troops3sep03,0,7512924.story

i don't doubt that there have not been some atrocious things happening, but it sounds like, from folks on the ground, that things are not as bad (as far as the lawlessness, etc) as have been reported. also, harry connick jr said on tv that he walked around through the superdome and expected to be mobbed or attacked and people were very civil.

the bigger question, however, is wtf does it have to do with anything?

the conditions those people were left in would get you arrested or animal cruelty. no food, water, sanitation. or security.

the poorest of the poor were left. not just the working poor and middle class but folks living on the very margins of society. with all of the sudden no rules, some folks were bound to wild out, unfortunately.




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205. "Steve Harvey is down in Baton Rouge. Just on FoxNews!"
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Now that is some realness right there. Others of his stature black, white, whatever need to follow.

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209. "Tom Joyner Family Reunion... this wknd? On or off?"
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Does anyone know if the big Disney party went on as scheduled ? or did they cxl it to go help the victims?

always thinking

  

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216. "they went but they are raising money to give to churches to give to thos..."
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who are taking in refugees into their homes. The co owner of BET and owner of the DC WNBA team donated $250,000 I believe to their charity.

they canceled last year and Disney wouldnt refund anybody's money because of the hurricane. I don't think they were willing to cancel again so the whole weekend will be dedicated to fundraising

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210. "Rapes, killings hit Katrina refugees in New Orleans"
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By Mark Egan 1 hour, 4 minutes ago
NEW ORLEANS (Reuters) - People left homeless by Hurricane Katrina told horrific stories of rape, murder and trigger-happy guards in two New Orleans centers that were set up as shelters but became places of violence and terror.


Police and National Guard troops on Saturday closed down the two centers -- the Superdome arena and the city's convention center -- but then penned in the storm victims outside in sweltering heat to keep them from trying to walk out of the city.

Military helicopters and buses staged a massive evacuation to take away thousands of people who waited in orderly lines in stifling heat outside the flooded convention center.

The refugees, who were waiting to be taken to sports stadiums and other huge shelters across Texas and northern Louisiana, described how the convention center and the Superdome became lawless hellholes beset by rape and murder.

Several residents of the impromptu shantytown recounted two horrific incidents where those charged with keeping people safe had killed them instead.

In one, a young man was run down and then shot by a New Orleans police officer, in another a man seeking help was gunned down by a National Guard soldier, witnesses said.

Police here refused to discuss or confirm either incident. National Guard spokesman Lt. Col Pete Schneider said "I have not heard any information of a weapon being discharged."

"They killed a man here last night," Steve Banka, 28, told Reuters. "A young lady was being raped and stabbed. And the sounds of her screaming got to this man and so he ran out into the street to get help from troops, to try to flag down a passing truck of them, and he jumped up on the truck's windshield and they shot him dead."

Wade Batiste, 48, recounted another tale of horror.

"Last night at 8 p.m. they shot a kid of just 16. He was just crossing the street. They ran him over, the New Orleans police did, and then they got out of the car and shot him in the head," Batiste said.

The young man's body lay in the street by the Convention Center's entrance on Saturday morning, covered in a black blanket, a stream of congealed blood staining the street around him. Nearby his family sat in shock.

A member of that family, Africa Brumfield, 32, confirmed the incident but declined to be quoted about it, saying her family did not wish to discuss it. But she spoke of general conditions here.

"There is rapes going on here. Women cannot go to the bathroom without men. They are raping them and slitting their throats. They keep telling us the buses are coming but they never leave," she said through tears.

People here said there were now 22 bodies of adults and children stored inside the building, but troops guarding the building refused to confirm that and threatened to beat reporters seeking access to the makeshift morgue.

People trying to walk out are forced back at gunpoint - something troops said was for their own safety. "It's sad, but how far do you think they would get," one soldier said.

"They have us living here like animals," said Wvonnette Grace-Jordan, here with five children, the youngest only six weeks old. "We have only had two meals, we have no medicine and now there are thousands of people defecating in the streets. This is wrong. This is the United States of America."

One National Guard soldier who asked not to be named for fear of punishment from his commanding officer said of the lack of medical attention at the center, "They (the Bush administration) care more about Iraq and Afghanistan than here."

The Louisiana National Guard soldier said, "We are doing the best we can with the resources we have, but almost all of our guys are in Iraq."

Across town at the Superdome, where as many as 38,000 refugees camped out until Wednesday night when evacuation buses first came, the 4,000 still there were corralled outside, hoping to get on four waiting buses with seats for only 200.

The scene at the sports stadium was one of abject filth. Crammed into a small area after the building was shut to them last night, those remaining sat amid heaps of garbage, piled in places waist high. The stench of human waste pervaded the interior of the now vacant stadium.

One police officer told Reuters there were 100 people in a makeshift morgue at the Superdome, mostly people who died of heat exhaustion, and that six babies had been born there since last Saturday, when people arrived to take shelter.

At the arena, too, there was much talk of bedlam after dark.

"We found a young girl raped and killed in the bathroom," one National Guard soldier told Reuters. "Then the crowd got the man and they beat him to death."

  

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217. "why the fuck are they turning people back?? WTF!!!"
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229. "this is so disturbing."
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213. "BUSH FAKED LEVEE REPAIR FOR A GOD DAMN PHOTO OP!!!"
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http://www.fromtheroots.org/story/2005/9/3/19542/97952

Landrieu Blasts Bush on Katrina Response
by Mike Liddell
Sat Sep 3rd, 2005 at 07:05:42 PM EST

U.S. Senator Mary Landrieu, D-La., issued the following statement this afternoon regarding her call yesterday for President Bush to appoint a cabinet-level official to oversee Hurricane Katrina relief and recovery efforts within 24 hours.

Sen. Landrieu said:

“Yesterday, I was hoping President Bush would come away from his tour of the regional devastation triggered by Hurricane Katrina with a new understanding for the magnitude of the suffering and for the abject failures of the current Federal Emergency Management Agency. 24 hours later, the President has yet to answer my call for a cabinet-level official to lead our efforts. Meanwhile, FEMA, now a shell of what it once was, continues to be overwhelmed by the task at hand.

“I understand that the U.S. Forest Service had water-tanker aircraft available to help douse the fires raging on our riverfront, but FEMA has yet to accept the aid. When Amtrak offered trains to evacuate significant numbers of victims – far more efficiently than buses – FEMA again dragged its feet. Offers of medicine, communications equipment and other desperately needed items continue to flow in, only to be ignored by the agency.

“But perhaps the greatest disappointment stands at the breached 17th Street levee. Touring this critical site yesterday with the President, I saw what I believed to be a real and significant effort to get a handle on a major cause of this catastrophe. Flying over this critical spot again this morning, less than 24 hours later, it became apparent that yesterday we witnessed a hastily prepared stage set for a Presidential photo opportunity; and the desperately needed resources we saw were this morning reduced to a single, lonely piece of equipment. The good and decent people of southeast Louisiana and the Gulf Coast – black and white, rich and poor, young and old – deserve far better from their national government.

“Mr. President, I’m imploring you once again to get a cabinet-level official stood up as soon as possible to get this entire operation moving forward regionwide with all the resources – military and otherwise – necessary to relieve the unmitigated suffering and economic damage that is unfolding.”

Today’s aerial tour of the 17th Street levee will be featured tomorrow on ABC’s This Week with George Stephanopoulos. Later, Sen. Landrieu will also appear on CBS’s 60 Minutes.

«SiG»
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221. "Bush visit halts food delivery!!"
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what. THE. FUCK!!

Bush visit halts food delivery
http://www.nola.com/weblogs/print.ssf?/mtlogs/nola_Times-Picayune/archives/print076556.html

By Michelle Krupa
Staff writer

Three tons of food ready for delivery by air to refugees in St. Bernard Parish and on Algiers Point sat on the Crescent City Connection bridge Friday afternoon as air traffic was halted because of President Bush’s visit to New Orleans, officials said.

The provisions, secured by U.S. Rep. Charlie Melancon, D-Napoleonville, and state Agriculture Commissioner Bob Odom, baked in the afternoon sun as Bush surveyed damage across southeast Louisiana five days after Katrina made landfall as a Category 4 storm, said Melancon’s chief of staff, Casey O’Shea.

“We had arrangements to airlift food by helicopter to these folks, and now the food is sitting in trucks because they won’t let helicopters fly,” O’Shea said Friday afternoon.

The food was expected to be in the hands of storm survivors after the president left the devastated region Friday night, he said.

  

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215. "Have there been ANY calls for impeachment of GWB?"
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Elderly dying, babies dying...

They wanted to throw Clinton on his ass because he did what 1/2 of most american men do every day. Bush has sent over 17000 youths to their deaths, and has negelected any issue in this country that doesn't fit his agenda or the agenda of those who have him in pocket. The bastard vacations more than almost any president in history. Everytime I hear about him he's headed to Crawford. Where was that scary ass, stepford lookin bitch wife of his when all this was going on? Why wasn't she in his ear tellin him to put down his beer and go to the disaster sites?

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220. "For those who didn't see:"
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Celine Dion on "Larry King Live"...

http://www.cnn.com/2005/SHOWBIZ/09/03/king.help/index.html

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224. "I saw this"
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Celine is the truth.

>Celine Dion on "Larry King Live"...
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>http://www.cnn.com/2005/SHOWBIZ/09/03/king.help/index.html

  

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222. "Where is the mayor of New Orleans?"
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Where is the governor of Louisiana?

Don't mean to sound like a Debbie Downer but I haven't seen them since Bush showed up. They need to be visible and let people know what they are doing, what's their plan, and what else needs to be done. People are going to be putting the blame on them after this is all over. The mayor is black and the governor is a democrat, so you know they are going to get hell. Not saying that they don't deserve it, but they need to be visible like Pataki and Giuliani.


Also, do you think the reports on violence and looting have been blown out of proportion. The major excuse for the government not responding with food and water as fast as they should have has been because they had to get the looting under control, people were firing weapons at helicopters and people were being raped and car jacked. I'm not saying that none of this has happened, but I don't think it was as major as the media hyped to up to be. But what do I know, I'm not there.

  

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223. "have you considered that maybe they're busy actually working?"
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should they take a 15 minute break every hour for a photo op just to prove they're working?



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225. "http://home.earthlink.net/~john_ra/bush.jpg"
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"I Don't Dislike Jesus I Just Hate His Fan Club"(c) The Black Guy with the Che Shirt


how come everyone else is slaying dragons and rescuing damsels while i'm here on some domestic shit? i feel like i'm playing 'd&d: the sedentary mythos' right now. lol-

  

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226. "RE: http://home.earthlink.net/~john_ra/bush.jpg"
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>"I Don't Dislike Jesus I Just Hate His Fan Club"(c) The Black
>Guy with the Che Shirt
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>how come everyone else is slaying dragons and rescuing damsels
>while i'm here on some domestic shit? i feel like i'm playing
>'d&d: the sedentary mythos' right now. lol-

wow. I know it was pasted together, but...damn.

  

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227. "White House Shifts Blame to State and Local Officials"
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/03/AR2005090301680.html

Many Evacuated, but Thousands Still Waiting
White House Shifts Blame to State and Local Officials

By Manuel Roig-Franzia and Spencer Hsu
Washington Post Staff Writers
Sunday, September 4, 2005; A01



NEW ORLEANS, Sept. 3 -- Tens of thousands of people spent a fifth day awaiting evacuation from this ruined city, as Bush administration officials blamed state and local authorities for what leaders at all levels have called a failure of the country's emergency management.

President Bush authorized the dispatch of 7,200 active-duty ground troops to the area -- the first major commitment of regular ground forces in the crisis -- and the Pentagon announced that an additional 10,000 National Guard troops will be sent to Louisiana and Mississippi, raising the total Guard contingent to about 40,000.

Authorities reported progress in restoring order and electricity and repairing levees, as a hospital ship arrived and cruise ships were sent to provide temporary housing for victims. As Louisiana officials expressed confidence that they had begun to get a handle on the crisis, a dozen National Guard troops broke into applause late Saturday as Isaac Kelly, 81, the last person to be evacuated from the Superdome, boarded a school bus.

But there remained an overwhelming display of human misery on the streets of New Orleans, where the last 1,500 people were being evacuated from the Convention Center amid an overpowering odor of human waste and rotting garbage. The evacuees, most of them black and poor, spoke of violence, anarchy and family members who died for lack of food, water and medical care.

About 42,000 people had been evacuated from the city by Saturday afternoon, with roughly the same number remaining, city officials said. Search-and-rescue efforts continued in flooded areas of the city, where an unknown number of people wait in their homes, on rooftops or in makeshift shelters. Hundreds of thousands of people have been displaced by the flooding -- 250,000 have been absorbed by Texas alone, and local radio reported that Baton Rouge will have doubled in population by Monday. Federal officials said they have begun to collect corpses but could not guess the total toll.

Behind the scenes, a power struggle emerged, as federal officials tried to wrest authority from Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Babineaux Blanco (D). Shortly before midnight Friday, the Bush administration sent her a proposed legal memorandum asking her to request a federal takeover of the evacuation of New Orleans, a source within the state's emergency operations center said Saturday.

The administration sought unified control over all local police and state National Guard units reporting to the governor. Louisiana officials rejected the request after talks throughout the night, concerned that such a move would be comparable to a federal declaration of martial law. Some officials in the state suspected a political motive behind the request. "Quite frankly, if they'd been able to pull off taking it away from the locals, they then could have blamed everything on the locals," said the source, who does not have the authority to speak publicly.

A senior administration official said that Bush has clear legal authority to federalize National Guard units to quell civil disturbances under the Insurrection Act and will continue to try to unify the chains of command that are split among the president, the Louisiana governor and the New Orleans mayor.

Louisiana did not reach out to a multi-state mutual aid compact for assistance until Wednesday, three state and federal officials said. As of Saturday, Blanco still had not declared a state of emergency, the senior Bush official said.

"The federal government stands ready to work with state and local officials to secure New Orleans and the state of Louisiana," White House spokesman Dan Bartlett said. "The president will not let any form of bureaucracy get in the way of protecting the citizens of Louisiana."

Blanco made two moves Saturday that protected her independence from the federal government: She created a philanthropic fund for the state's victims and hired James Lee Witt, Federal Emergency Management Agency director in the Clinton administration, to advise her on the relief effort.

Bush, who has been criticized, even by supporters, for the delayed response to the disaster, used his weekly radio address to put responsibility for the failure on lower levels of government. The magnitude of the crisis "has created tremendous problems that have strained state and local capabilities," he said. "The result is that many of our citizens simply are not getting the help they need, especially in New Orleans. And that is unacceptable."

In a Washington briefing, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said one reason federal assets were not used more quickly was "because our constitutional system really places the primary authority in each state with the governor."

Chertoff planned to fly overnight to the New Orleans area to take charge of deploying the expanded federal and military assets for several days, he said. He said he has "full confidence" in FEMA Director Michael D. Brown, the DHS undersecretary and federal officer in charge of the Katrina response.

Brown, a frequent target of New Orleans Mayor C. Ray Nagin's wrath, said Saturday that "the mayor can order an evacuation and try to evacuate the city, but if the mayor does not have the resources to get the poor, elderly, the disabled, those who cannot, out, or if he does not even have police capacity to enforce the mandatory evacuation, to make people leave, then you end up with the kind of situation we have right now in New Orleans."

New Orleans City Council President Oliver Thomas acknowledged that the city was surprised by the number of refugees left behind, but he said FEMA should have been prepared to assist.

"Everybody shares the blame here," said Thomas. "But when you talk about the mightiest government in the world, that's a ludicrous and lame excuse. You're FEMA, and you're the big dog. And you weren't prepared either."

In Baton Rouge, Blanco acknowledged Saturday: "We did not have enough resources here to do it all. . . . The magnitude is overwhelming."

State officials had planned to turn to neighboring states for help with troops, transportation and equipment in a major hurricane. But in Katrina's case, Mississippi, Alabama and Florida were also overwhelmed, said Denise Bottcher, a Blanco spokesman.

Bush canceled a visit with Chinese President Hu Jintao that had been scheduled for Wednesday and made plans to return to the Gulf Coast on Monday. Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice scheduled visits to the region, as troops continue to pour in.

Top Bush administration officials met at the White House with African American leaders amid criticism that the federal response to Hurricane Katrina has neglected impoverished victims, many of them black.

Chertoff, Housing Secretary Alphonso Jackson, White House domestic policy adviser Claude Allen and Pentagon homeland security official Peter Verga met for two hours with NAACP President Bruce Gordon, National Urban League President Marc H. Morial and Rep. Elijah E. Cummings (D-Md.), the former chairman of the Congressional Black Caucus. The caucus's current chairman, Rep. Melvin Watt (D-N.C.), participated by phone.

"I think they wanted to make sure that the leaders of the Congressional Black Caucus, the Urban League and the NAACP knew that they were very sensitive to trying to make sure that things went right from here on out," Cummings said, according to his spokeswoman, Devika Koppikar. "And I think they wanted to try to dispel any kind of notions that the administration did not care about African American people -- or anyone else."

Caucus Executive Director Paul A. Brathwaite said Bush officials promised to keep black leaders informed. He credited the administration with reaching out to the caucus for the first time to solve a national problem.

In New Orleans on Saturday, smoke from several fires that have burned for days swirled over the French Quarter. Outside the Ernest N. Morial Convention Center, the stench and heat worsened the long wait of the thousands of evacuees lining up for buses. Many of them said they had no idea where they would go.

Columbus Lawrence, 43, a landscaper, shambled down St. Joseph Avenue searching for the end of the line. He pushed a cart piled with packets of dry, chicken-flavored noodles. "It's like a chip," he said hopefully, putting another handful into his mouth.

Others have been here since the day of the storm, the early part of the week made increasingly awful because there were no toilets, no water, no food.

Herbert J. Freeman arrived in a neighbor's boat with his mother, Ethel M. Freeman, 91, frail and sick, but with an active mind. She kept asking him for a doctor, for a nurse, for anyone who could help her. Police told Freeman there was nothing they could do. She died in her wheelchair, next to her son, on Thursday morning.

It was half a day before he could find someone to take away her body, he said. "She wasn't senile or nothing," he said. "She knew what was going on. . . . I kept saying, 'Mom, I can't help you.' "

Next to Freeman, Kenny Lason, 45, a dishwasher at Pat O'Brien's, a French Quarter restaurant famous for its signature "Hurricane" cocktail, took a long slurp out of a bottle of Korbel extra-dry champagne. He broke a store window to get it, and he is not ashamed. "They wasn't giving us nothing," he said. "You got to live off the land."

Outside New Orleans, frustration boiled over among the boatmen who spontaneously left their homes in central Louisiana to rescue stranded residents in the first hours after reports of flooding hit the airwaves. For the past two days, many have been turned away because of security concerns in a city that had turned violent and chaotic.

"It's a tragedy that's unfolding now," said Moose Billeaud, a former New Orleans prosecutor who is now in private practice in Lafayette, La. "It is not organized at all."

The boatmen who made it in came back with harrowing memories. Kenny, who did not want to disclose his last name, said friends were shot at by stranded people who wanted to steal their boats. "It's total chaos," he said.

Isaac Kelly, the last to depart from the Superdome, said "it feels good" as he boarded the bus. A young guardsman put an arm around the stooped Kelly and said, "Good luck and God bless."

The dome, which once housed more than 20,000 evacuees, became a symbol of the chaos that gripped New Orleans, with television network cameras capturing scenes of filth and misery.

Just before Kelly stepped aboard, Isaiah Bennett, leaning heavily on a wooden cane, was helped onto the bus. "It was hell," said Bennett. "I don't like this kind of mess," he said. "I never thought it would be this bad.

The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers has said that it will take as long as 80 days to remove the water from New Orleans and surrounding areas.

Senate Minority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.) and Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-La.) sent a letter to Bush Saturday urging him to provide cash benefits and transportation assistance to stranded people and to use federal facilities for housing. They wrote that they "are concerned that rescue and recovery efforts appear to remain chaotic and that many victims remain hungry and without adequate shelter nearly a week after the hurricane struck. Clearly, strong personal leadership from you is essential if we are to get this effort on track."

The administration said that 100,000 have received some form of humanitarian aid and that 9,500 have been rescued by the Coast Guard. The administration said it is providing funds to employ displaced workers and has arranged for Amtrak trains to help in the evacuation. The rail service expects to remove 1,500 people daily. In addition, the Energy Department reported that 1.3 million customers were without electricity, down from 1.5 million Friday.

The 7,200 additional troops announced by Bush on Saturday are scheduled to arrive within three days. They will come from the 82nd Airborne Division at Fort Bragg, N.C., the 1st Cavalry Division at Food Hood, Tex., the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force at Camp Pendleton, Calif., and the 2nd Marine Expeditionary Force at Camp Lejeune, N.C.

The decision to employ active-duty ground troops and Marines was particularly significant given the administration's initial desire to limit ground forces largely to Guard units. Regular military troops are constrained by law from engaging in domestic law enforcement. By contrast, Guard troops, who are under the command of state governors, have no such constraints.

At a Pentagon news conference Saturday, Lt. Gen. Joseph Inge, the deputy commander of the Northern Command, said the active-duty ground forces would be used mainly to protect sites and perform other functions not considered law enforcement.

The Air Force is repatriating 300 airmen from Iraq and Afghanistan so they can assist their families back in their home base in Biloxi, Miss.

Law enforcement officials said order is beginning to be restored in the city. A temporary detention center has been set up in the city to house those arrested for looting and other crimes after the hurricane, and the city's court personnel have been relocated to neighboring jurisdictions unaffected by Katrina, said New Orleans U.S. Attorney Jim Letten. Trials are expected to begin within two weeks, he said. "We're going to bring these guys to justice," he said.

Members of federal law enforcement agencies are in the city, he said. More than 200 Border Patrol agents have been sworn in to reinforce New Orleans police, and state police officials said hundreds of law enforcement agents from other states are expected in the coming days.

  

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236. "RE: White House Shifts Blame to State and Local Officials"
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You knew they would try to do that.

I was watching that news reporter, campbell brown, this morning interviewing the mayor of N.O. She was trying to make it seem like he was at fault for the people dying in the superdome and convention center. I wanted to jump thru the screen and smack that bitch.

Can we please impeach Bush!!!

  

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239. "My mom told me about that!"
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she said she got so mad, she turned that shit off.

  

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230. "This video will break.your.heart"
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I posted this in a seperate thread, but I REALLY want people to see this.

http://tinyurl.com/83p7f

  

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244. "wow. Amazing. And she is the definition of a woman."
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232. "Sunday morning cartoon commentary (link)"
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v20/scarcrest/newstuff/tmclo050902.gif


http://www.john-book.com
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233. "funny....in a morbid kind of way."
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. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

*Effasig*

  

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234. "pretty much."
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*****************
With all due respect...
ask around.

  

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235. "RE: CONSOLIDATION: Katrina Media Coverage"
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fuck the media

  

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237. "something uplfiting...New Orleans Evacuees married in shelter..."
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now this is love!

New Orleans Couple Weds in Miss. Shelter By KATHY HANRAHAN, Associated Press Writer
Sun Sep 4, 8:08 AM ET


JACKSON, Miss. - Trenise Williams and her fiance were going to be married in New Orleans just hours before Hurricane Katrina unleashed catastrophic damage on the Gulf Coast. They fled the area instead and "with the snap of an eye, I lost everything," she said. The only remnants of the wedding-to-be was a marriage license Williams, 28, tucked into her purse.


She and Joseph Kirsh joined about 3,000 other refugees at the Mississippi Coliseum shelter about 190 miles north of New Orleans.

Shelter resident Rochelle Smith, a Jackson-area woman who was homeless before the storm, heard of Williams' plight on Thursday and decided that a lack of wedding dress or cake wasn't going to stop the couple from having their special day.

On Saturday, the couple were married.

As children played and weary survivors slept, Williams and Kirsh exchanged vows before an Episcopalian minister and a crowd seated in folding chairs. Some snapped photos with instant cameras, while others used camera phones to capture the moment.

The ceremony couldn't approach what the couple had originally planned, but they were touched by the outpouring.

"It's beautiful," said Williams' mother, Evelyn. "It's real hard; we lost everything at once."

Smith took on the role of wedding planner, coordinating donations from local businesses, including jewelry and shoes. Others donated hair and makeup services, a traditional dress and five lilac bridesmaid gowns.

The couple approached local entrepreneur Bob Ford, who owns Sanctuary Golf Club in Brandon. Ford and his wife, Joyce, were cooking food for shelter residents throughout the week. Ford helped finance the ceremony.

"We want to uplift everyone here ... give people something to live for," Ford said.

  

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238. "Saw a small news story on CNN, with Macy Gray helping Red Cross"
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She was assisting in getting clothes and water at one of the new shelters.


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251. "yeah. that was great"
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240. "Doctors stymied by govermental redtape, patients go untreated"
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Volunteer physicians are pouring in to care for the sick, but red tape is keeping hundreds of others from caring for Hurricane Katrina survivors while health problems escalate.

Among the doctors stymied from helping out are 100 surgeons and paramedics in a state-of-the-art mobile hospital marooned in rural Mississippi.

"The bell was rung, the e-mails were sent off. ...We all got off work and deployed," said one of the frustrated surgeons, Dr. Preston "Chip" Rich of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.

"We have tried so hard to do the right thing. It took us 30 hours to get here," he said. That government officials can't straighten out the mess and get them assigned to a relief effort now that they're just a few miles away "is just mind-boggling," he said.

While the doctors wait, the first predictable signs of disease from contaminated water began to emerge on Saturday: A Mississippi shelter was closed after 20 residents got sick with dysentery, probably from drinking contaminated water.

Many other storm survivors were being treated in the Houston Astrodome and other shelters for an assortment of problems, including chronic health conditions left untreated because people had lost or used up their medicine.

The North Carolina mobile hospital stranded in Mississippi was developed with millions of tax dollars through the Office of Homeland Security after 9-11. With capacity for 113 beds, it is designed to handle disasters and mass casualties.

Equipment includes ultrasound, digital radiology, satellite Internet, and a full pharmacy, enabling doctors to do most types of surgery in the field, including open-chest and abdominal operations.

It travels in a convoy that includes two 53-foot trailers, which as of Sunday afternoon was parked on a gravel lot 70 miles north of New Orleans because Louisiana officials for several days would not let them deploy to the flooded city, Rich said.

Yet plans to use the facility and its 100 health professionals were hatched days before Hurricane Katrina devastated the Gulf Coast, doctors in the caravan said.

As they talked with Mississippi officials about prospects of helping out there, other doctors complained that their offers of help also were turned away.

A primary care physician from Ohio called and e-mailed the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services after seeing a notice on the American Medical Association's Web site about volunteer doctors being needed.

An e-mail reply told him to watch CNN that night where U.S. Health and Human Services Secretary Michael Leavitt was to announce a Web address for doctors to enter their names in a database.

"How crazy is that?" he complained in an e-mail to his daughter.

Leavitt, U.S. Surgeon General Richard Carmona, and Dr. Julie Gerberding, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, were in Louisiana on Sunday, and Gerberding planned to go to Texas where many evacuees are now housed.

Many other doctors have been able to volunteer, and were arriving in large numbers Sunday in Baton Rouge. Several said they worked it out through Louisiana state officials.

Dr. Bethany Gardiner, a 36-year-old pediatrician who just moved to Santa Barbara, Calif., from Florida, had been visiting parents the Sunshine state when the hurricane hit.

"I left my kids and just started searching places on the Web" to volunteer, eventually getting an invitation to come to Baton Rouge, she said.

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Sister, I'm not much a poet, but a criminal
And you never had a chance
Love it, or leave it, you can't understand
A pretty face, but you do so carry on.

  

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241. "Kuwait donates $500mil in oil products and relief aid"
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Wealthy OPEC nation Kuwait is donating $500 million worth of oil products and other humanitarian aid to its ally the United States to ease the impact of Hurricane Katrina, state news agency KUNA reported on Sunday.

"The humanitarian aid is oil products that the devastated (U.S.) states need in these circumstances, plus other humanitarian aid to lessen the devastation these three states have been subjected to," Energy Minister Sheikh Ahmad al-Fahd al-Sabah told KUNA.

Sheikh Ahmad said the gesture was a duty toward a friend by the tiny Gulf Arab state which was liberated in 1991 by a U.S.-led multinational coalition from seven months of occupation by Iraq.

The minister, who is also the OPEC chief, was speaking after the weekly meeting of the Council of Ministers. Tiny Kuwait controls nearly a tenth of global petroleum reserves.

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Sister, I'm not much a poet, but a criminal
And you never had a chance
Love it, or leave it, you can't understand
A pretty face, but you do so carry on.

  

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242. "Living Paycheck to Paycheck Made Leaving Impossible"
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By Wil Haygood
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, September 4, 2005; A33



NEW ORLEANS, Sept. 3 -- To those who wonder why so many stayed behind when push came to water's mighty shove here, those who were trapped have a simple explanation: Their nickels and dimes and dollar bills simply didn't add up to stage a quick evacuation mission.

"Me and my wife, we were living paycheck to paycheck, like most everybody else in New Orleans," Eric Dunbar, 54, said Saturday.

He was standing on wobbly, thin legs in the bowels of the semi-darkened Louis Armstrong Airport, where he had been delivered with many others after having been plucked by rescuers from a roadway.

He offered a mini-tutorial in the economic reality of his life.

"I don't own a car. Me and my wife, we travel by bus, public transportation. The most money I ever have on me is $400. And that goes to pay the rent. And that $400 is between me and my wife." Her name is Dorth Dunbar; she was trying to get some rest after days of peril.

Dunbar estimated his annual income to be about $20,000, which comes from doing graphic design work when he can get it. Before the storm, when he and his wife estimated how much money they needed to flee the city, he was saddened by the reality that he could not come up with anywhere near the several thousand dollars he might need for a rental car and airfare.

"If I took my wife out to dinner, it was once a month," he said, sounding as if even those modest good times had come to an abrupt end. "We'd go to Piccadilly's. Never any movies. Really, it's a simple life. I go to work, come home, talk to my wife, go to bed, then back to work again. A basic existence."

He was rolling two quarters around in his hand, short 50 cents to make a long-distance call to his son. As his eyes began to water, he repeated himself: "Just a basic existence."

The two smooth-faced boys on the floor, sitting on their backpacks, looked more energetic than most. Corey Wise, 17, and Jermaine Wise, 18, were once residents of New Orleans's 17th Ward.

"Our family was already in a financially depressive situation before the hurricane," Jermaine said.

He calculated where the family -- their mother, Marie, is divorced -- stood financially before the wind, water and destruction.

"We had $300 between us," he said, nodding toward his brother. "Mom had about $225 worth of savings. That was our emergency savings for anything. And that was a blessing."

Their home was in a New Orleans neighborhood called Holly Grove.

"A lot of drugs and violence in our neighborhood," Corey said.

"It's hard to just get up and go when you don't have anything," Jermaine said. "Besides, everything we know is in New Orleans."

They went on their way in tandem in search of their mother, somewhere upstairs in the terminal.

A 47-year-old grandmother was rocking a grandchild.

"These people look at us and wonder why we stayed behind," said Carmita Stephens. "Well, would they leave their grandparents and children behind? Look around and say, 'See you later'?" She gave a roll of the eyes behind the raised voice.

"We had one vehicle. A truck. I wanted my family to be together. They all couldn't fit in the truck. We had to decide on leaving family members -- or staying."

She shifted the grandchild in her arms. "I'm living paycheck to paycheck. My mother passed away this year. I was helping take care of her. My real job was as a private-duty caregiver. I had one patient. He died two weeks after my mother passed, on May 6." She calculated that the family made a little more than $2,500 a month -- but that included help from her son Jamel's job. "He's missing now," she added. "So is Eric Stephens, my husband."

They were soon to be Texas-bound. "And I don't even like Texas," she said.

All morning, they kept arriving, walking as if through a morbid dream.

"I got $3.00 on me now," said John West, 39, formerly a resident of the Sixth Ward here. "I'm serious."

He said he has never had a savings account in his life. "I make $340 a month," he said. "I stay with my mother. I give her about $150 of that. His income is from a disability check. His hands got badly burned in a 1993 fire. "I lost a little nephew, but I saved two kids," he said.

West said he has never owned a credit card -- not even before the fire. He said he figures $500 was the most money he could have come up with on such short notice, with the hurricane bearing down.

"And that would have come from my daddy. But he's always been skeptical about giving me any money. And his people got money! He could have given me $1,000, and it wouldn't have hurt him."

So he did not even ask, instead lowering his economic aim by simply wishing he could get his $340 monthly check.

"My mother and father don't even know if I'm alive or dead."

There were a few lucky souls yesterday sitting at the Shoney's restaurant on State Highway 30 in Gonzales. Karen Lavalais, 37, and a friend, Patricia Jones, 39, and various relatives.

"I only work part time at a janitorial service," Jones said. "I make $6.00 an hour. If I didn't have my mama, I'd be one of those victims still trapped in New Orleans."

She works 17 hours a week.

"I had $80 when I got out of New Orleans," Jones said. "And I wouldn't have had that if payday hadn't been that Friday. Eighty dollars with two children."

Lavalais, who formerly lived in the 10th Ward, said that when the hurricane struck she had a total of $94 in the bank, which constituted her life savings.

"And I couldn't even get to that," she said. "So thank goodness I had some gas in my car."

  

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243. "just heard on CNN that several people were just shot on a bridge"
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for carrying guns. I hope was some of the bastard that were raping the women.

  

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245. "Police Shoot man who shoot at Army Corp of Engineer....."
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contractors. This story is changing by the minute.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050904/ap_on_re_us/katrina_shootings_hk1
26 minutes ago

NEW ORLEANS - Police shot eight people carrying guns on a New Orleans bridge Sunday, killing five or six of them, a deputy chief said.
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Deputy Police Chief W.J. Riley said the shootings took place on the Danziger Bridge, which spans a canal connecting Lake Pontchartrain and the Mississippi River.

He said he had no other details.

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246. "Mississippi Governor Hires Clintons FEMA Director."
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Former FEMA Director, James Lee Witt, who served during the Clinton Administration has been hired by the governor of Mississippi. He is on CNN really giving details about how FEMA has been dismantled since 9/11. This is going to get VERY interesting in the next few months. This really speaks to how inadequate the current FEMA director is. A former lawyer with no disaster experience should not be running FEMA.

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247. "I just heard the most heart wrenching thing...."
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This little 5 yr old boy was covered on CBS. He was found alone as a recent rescue from the homes covered in water. I can't even capture the feeling his words had on me when asked where his mother was:

"My mom is dead. Someone pushed her into the water."

All the while holding a small teddy bear.

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248. "damn. suicides among authorities..."
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from: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9156612/

"In addition to civilian deaths, New Orleans’ police department has had to deal with suicides in its ranks. Two officers took their lives, including the department spokesman, Paul Accardo, who died Saturday, according to Riley. Both shot themselves in the head, he said.

"'I’ve got some firefighters and police officers that have been pretty much traumatized,' Mayor Ray Nagin said. 'And we’ve already had a couple of suicides, so I am cycling them out as we speak. ... They need physical and psychological evaluations.'"

  

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http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-bodies4sep04,0,1897542,print.story?coll=la-home-headlines

With efforts focused on helping survivors, corpses lie scattered around the city. Trucks will serve as roaming morgues.

By Scott Gold and Alan Zarembo
Times Staff Writers

09/04/05 "Los Angeles Times" -- -- NEW ORLEANS — No one knew much about him. He was a black man with close-cropped hair who looked to be in his 40s. He had a high school class ring. He had been at the convention center for four days, no different from thousands of others.

Friday night, he lost it. While others tried to sleep on the sweltering sidewalk around him, he began to mumble to himself, kicking aside piles of trash. He yelled something about his missing wife. Just before midnight, a police car screamed down Convention Center Drive, and from there, the stories diverge.

Some said he just ended it — ran out in front of the car. Some said he was trying to flag it down for help when it clipped him. Some said he had a gun and was either shot or run over.

In some fashion, he died in the street, his blood draining toward the curb and congealing under a pile of crushed orange juice cartons and dirty diapers. He was still there Saturday afternoon, and chances are he is still there today.

"Right where he fell. Like roadkill," said Larry Martin, 35, another evacuee.

Until now, the nation has focused on the survivors. But at some point in coming days, as New Orleans continues to depopulate, the city will reach a tipping point. There may be more dead people here than living as the human exodus continues. And no one knows what will be done with the bodies.

Paramedics walked Saturday in front of the convention center pushing a gurney, but did not pause at the man's body. They were trying to rescue an elderly woman who was bleeding from her right leg and had not gotten out of her chair in three days.

Twin-blade helicopters thundered overhead, and they were trying to get her to a hospital in Lafayette.

"I know it's a tragic situation," said Miles Watts, a city paramedic. "But we need to save people who are alive first. We're going to have to deal with the dead ones later."

Officials are devising a plan to cope with the dead, but it is still in its infancy.

Mayor C. Ray Nagin, who predicted that the death toll could reach into the thousands, said Saturday that officials were assembling refrigerated 18-wheelers that would serve as roaming morgues.

Nagin said it might be impossible to find enough room to bury the bodies; they might all be cremated.

Unburied corpses present little, if any, risk of infectious diseases, experts agree. For one thing, people in the Katrina disaster did not die from infectious disease and thus do not likely harbor infectious agents to spread. Moreover, infectious agents in corpses do not survive long, said epidemiologist Oliver Morgan of the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine.

"After these big events, where there are large numbers of fatalities, there is a rush to dispose of the dead and a lot of scare stories about imminent epidemics," Morgan said. "But the risk of disease transmission is really coming from the surviving population."

No one is sure when recovery of those killed by Katrina — whether in the floodwaters the hurricane left behind or the violence that erupted in its wake — will begin. It is unclear how those without wallets or papers on their bodies might be identified. And, of course, it is unclear how many there will be.

"I don't think we're quite ready for all of that," Nagin said.

Until they are, the bodies continue to surface: on the steps of the Superdome; in the besieged 9th Ward; at an elementary school where a man's body washed up on the steps inside a basement classroom; under a freeway ramp next to a submerged SUV.

Teams searching for survivors in attics and on rooftops have been given instructions to tie bodies that they encounter to street poles so they can be collected later.

The dilemma is not restricted to the civilian population. Watts said a distraught New Orleans police officer shot and killed himself at a staging area in Algiers, across the Mississippi River from New Orleans, on Friday night.

"We didn't even have a body bag to put him in," Watts said.

In the city's business district, where Albert Jordana, 45, has been paddling around in a blue kayak, he found the bloated body of a man lying facedown in the water at Canal and Roman streets.

"They're floating around," he said. The man's gray T-shirt appeared to have snagged something as the water rippled by. "Whatever they get caught up on, that's where they stay," Jordana said.

Inside the convention center, through the main hall and a set of double doors that once led to a bustling kitchen, a dark hallway was full of catering carts and crates of coffee cups Saturday afternoon. A bulletin board still held announcements for employees: a new program offering $1 parking; an invitation to an employee picnic.

Below were two more bodies, those of a man and a woman who died at the convention center before help arrived. The others had dragged them back there. An adult diaper had peeled off the woman's body. The man's foot poked out from beneath the white sheet someone had draped over him.

An Arkansas National Guard soldier appeared to check on them.

"OK, there's no blood on the floor," he said. "Just don't touch them." Then he walked away.

The New Orleans morgue is located, or used to be, in the basement of the criminal courthouse downtown. Today, water laps at the front steps of the building.

Frank Marullo, a district court judge who works there, said 47 bodies that were there before the storm are now floating near the ceiling.

"By law, the coroner has to determine a cause of death for each body," he said. "That might be impossible."

Sixty-five miles northwest of New Orleans in the small town of St. Gabriel, the Federal Emergency Management Agency has set up a mortuary in a private warehouse.

Police guarding the entrance would not let anyone pass. But the mayor, George Grace, said he believed bodies were already arriving in refrigerated tractor-trailers.

Two tractor-trailers sit outside the 125,000-square-foot warehouse, which usually is used by businesses such as Wal-Mart to store goods.

With a population of only 5,000, the town is too small to offer any assistance to hurricane survivors, Grace said. "I wasn't able to help the living," the mayor said, so instead he will "house the dead."

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252. "Rescue Helicopter Crashed! Reported on CNN!"
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more to come.

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253. "crew alive, but injured."
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255. "There is a bar in the French Quarter operating business as usual"
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Yeah the Quarter was the least hit oddly enough but I told ya'll...this city will rebuild at some point in time. It started in less than a week. Yeah the disenfranchised got screwed and removed but you have to start somewhere.

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257. "damn they still have people in the superdome and convention center"
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I thought they were all gone

  

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258. "I just try to post links to..."
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...the stories you guys might not get to read.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050904/ap_on_re_us/katrina_surviving_in_the_quarter_hk1

  

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259. "media can eat a dick"
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262. "relief funds estimated by the LA times:"
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since the storm (less than a week's time) around $404 million has been raised for relief, 3/4ths going to the Red Cross.

in a week relief efforts for the Indian Ocean tsunami raised $79.8 million. efforts for 9/11 relief only raised $24.8 million.

it took sept. 11 months to raise it's total of over a billion dollars. katrina relief is almost halfway there in less than a week.

hella money is being poured in. it still ain't goin to the niggas who need it though.

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263. "Bush/Clinton Fund Raises 15 Million for victims all ready."
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I gotta give it to Bush 1 and Clinton. These cats know how to raise money.

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264. "Oprah is headed to Houston."
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266. "Go Oprah."
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265. "As of Sunday doctors were still held out of city."
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These doctors were told to be ready even before the storm hit and government and state officials still would not let them in. I cannot believe red tape and paper work kept these doctors out of the city. In this situation you worry about stuff like that later. This is crazy.

Docs' Katrina Relief Efforts Hampered

Sunday, September 04, 2005

BATON ROUGE, La. — Volunteer physicians are pouring in to care for the sick, but red tape is keeping hundreds of others from caring for Hurricane Katrina (search) survivors even as health officials worry about potential outbreaks.

Among the doctors stymied from helping out are 100 surgeons and paramedics in a state-of-the-art mobile hospital marooned in rural Mississippi.

"We have tried so hard to do the right thing. It took us 30 hours to get here," said one of the frustrated surgeons,Dr. Preston "Chip" Rich (search) of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. That government officials can't straighten out the mess and get them assigned to a relief effort now that they're just a few miles away "is just mind-boggling," he said in a phone interview.

While the North Carolina doctors waited Sunday, the first predictable signs of disease from contaminated water emerged on Saturday: A Mississippi shelter was closed after 20 residents got sick with dysentery, probably from drinking contaminated water.

However, the country's leading health official told The Associated Press in an interview at a triage center Sunday that her biggest concerns are tetanus and childhood diseases.

"Tetanus is something we'd be especially concerned about," said Dr. Julie Gerberding, head of the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (search). Tetanus lives in soil and can enter the body easily through a scratch, and many flood survivors have endured filthy conditions.

Gerberding also urged health care workers in the growing multitude of refugee shelters to try to find out a child's shot history and, "If you can't establish that a child has been vaccinated, then vaccinate. We can't take chances."

Diseases such as measles and whooping cough could rapidly spread in the cramped quarters, thousands of flood victims are now sharing.

So far, there have been relatively few cases of diarrhea and infections, Gerberding said, but "we're early in the process."

The CDC chief, who traveled to Louisiana with Health and Human Services Secretary Michael Leavitt (search), Surgeon General Dr. Richard Carmona (search) and other top health officials, spoke with the AP after visiting an impressive triage center on the basketball court at Pete Marovich Center at Louisiana State University.

Next door in Mississippi, the North Carolina mobile hospital waiting to help also offered impressive state-of-the-art medical care. It was developed with millions of tax dollars through the Office of Homeland Security after 9-11. With capacity for 113 beds, it is designed to handle disasters and mass casualties.

Equipment includes ultrasound, digital radiology, satellite Internet, and a full pharmacy, enabling doctors to do most types of surgery in the field, including open-chest and abdominal operations.

It travels in a convoy that includes two 53-foot trailers, which on Sunday afternoon was parked on a gravel lot 70 miles north of New Orleans because Louisiana officials for several days would not let them deploy to the flooded city, Rich said.

Yet plans to use the facility and its 100 health professionals were hatched days before Hurricane Katrina devastated the Gulf Coast, doctors in the caravan said.

Other doctors also complained that their offers of help were turned away. A primary care physician from Ohio called and e-mailed the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services after seeing a notice on the American Medical Association's Web site about volunteer doctors being needed.

An e-mail reply told him to watch CNN that night where HHS Secretary Leavitt was to announce a Web address for doctors to enter their names in a database.

"How crazy is that?" he complained in an e-mail to his daughter.

Dr. Jeffrey Guy, a trauma surgeon at Vanderbilt University who has been in contact with the mobile hospital doctors, told The Associated Press in a telephone interview, "There are entire hospitals that are contacting me, saying, 'We need to take on patients,"' but they can't get through the bureaucracy.

"The crime of this story is, you've got millions of dollars in assets and it's not deployed," he said. "We mount a better response in a Third World country."

Dr. Bill Winkenwerder, assistant secretary of health affairs for the Defense Department, acknowledged there were problems and said it's a priority "to get the medical community at work and up and operating as soon as possible."

Many other doctors have been able to volunteer, and were arriving in large numbers Sunday in Baton Rouge. Several said they worked it out through Louisiana state officials.

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273. "yet even MORE embarrassment...n/m"
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267. "I was gonna say, I can't believe that Bush, but I will edit to I am"
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so pissed that Bush is snubbing the Governor of Louisiana. He didn't even tell her he was visiting today.

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268. "yeah, that is some childish shit!"
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basically trying to let her know she is not part of the boys club.

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269. "...estimated deaths close to 6K?!"
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6 000 people? WTF...

just heard this on NBC...

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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Mayor: Katrina Death Toll May Hit 10,000 By DOUG SIMPSON, Associated Press Writer
1 hour, 42 minutes ago

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050905/ap_on_re_us/hurricane_katrina_27

METAIRIE, La. - One week after Hurricane Katrina devastated the region, miles-long lines of vehicles crawled into Jefferson Parish on Monday as residents were allowed to return to salvage what was left of their homes. New Orleans' mayor warned that 10,000 people may have died.

President Bush began his second trip to the region since the storm hit, landing in Baton Rouge late in the morning to start another inspection tour and consultations with federal and local officials.

"All levels of the government are doing the best they can," Bush said in Baton Rouge. "So long as any life is in danger, we've got work to do."

Traffic began moving into the parish west of New Orleans at about 6 a.m. A curfew was set for 6 p.m., and residents were told they could stay until Wednesday.

Among those returning was Diane Dempsey, a 59-year-old retired Army lieutenant colonel who stopped at the water's edge less than a mile from the house where she grew up and where her aunt lives.

"I'm going to pay someone to get me back there, anything I have to do," she said, sobbing while standing amid boats beached on Veterans Highway. "A lot of these people built these houses anticipating some flood water but nobody imagined this."

Most of the single-story bungalow homes in her neighborhood had water nearly to the rooflines. Homes in the most exclusive neighborhood of the parish, Old Metaire, had little structural damage but some of the worst flooding. Along rows of palatial, six-bedroom homes, a few windows were broken and the live oaks survived but the water rippled up to front-door knobs.

The suburban parish, which has 460,000 residents, has been closed since a mandatory evacuation just before Katrina hit. Wide portions of Metairie and Kenner suffered heavy flooding, and authorities said thousands of homes were damaged.

Some 400 to 500 police officers from New Orleans' 1,600 member force were unaccounted for, Deputy Police Chief W.J. Riley said.

A week after the storm, a definitive death toll remained elusive. New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin warned on NBC's "Today" that "it wouldn't be unreasonable to have 10,000" dead.

Despite the grim estimate, he was more upbeat than in previous days, when he railed against the federal government and broke down sobbing during a radio interview.

"We're making great progress now, the momentum has picked up. I'm starting to see some critical tasks being completed," he told NBC.

"The 17th Street canal is about or was about 84 percent closed in yesterday afternoon. We have more troops arriving, so we're starting to make the kind of progress that I kind of expected earlier."

Army Lt. Gen. Russel Honore told ABC's "Good Morning America" that fewer than 10,000 people remained in the city, based on aerial reconnaissance.

"This is not a city under siege," he added on NBC. "This city needs help from the big people in America and its technology to get back on its feet. We are focused on the future. We have to finish the search-and-rescue and provide food and water from an area from Mobile (Ala.) to the east side of New Orleans, up to I-20 in Mississippi. This is a pig-big piece of terrain. There are people there that need help. We will do the best we can to get it to them."

On Sunday, as authorities struggled to keep order, gunmen opened fire on a group of contractors on a bridge, rescues of stranded residents continued and the flood waters began to recede, leaving the grisly task of collecting bodies.

The Times-Picayune, Louisiana's largest newspaper, published an open letter to Bush, called for the firing of every official at the Federal Emergency Management Agency.

"We're angry, Mr. President, and we'll be angry long after our beloved city and surrounding parishes have been pumped dry," the editorial said. "Our people deserved rescuing. Many who could have been were not. That's to the government's shame."

"Every official at the Federal Emergency Management Agency should be fired, Director Michael Brown especially," the letter said. "No expense should have been spared. No excuses should have been voiced."

Violence boiled over in New Orleans when 14 contractors on their way to help plug the breach in the 17th Street Canal came under fire as they traveled across a bridge under police escort, said John Hall, a spokesman for the Army Corps of Engineers. Police shot at eight people carrying guns, killing five or six, Riley said. None of the contractors was injured, authorities said.

Besides the lawlessness, civilian deaths and uncertainty about their families, New Orleans' police have had to deal with suicides in their ranks. Two officers took their lives, including the department spokesman, Paul Accardo, who died Saturday, according to Riley. Both shot themselves in the head, he said.

Reinforcements for police poured down the interstates toward New Orleans — long convoys of police cars, blue lights flashing, emblazoned with emblems from scattered police, sheriff, and other jurisdictions, in and out of state.

Riley said some of the missing officers lost their homes and some are looking for their families. "Some simply left because they said they could not deal with the catastrophe," he said.

Nagin said he was arranging to rotate out beleaguered emergency workers, who have been working virtually around the clock since before the storm hit.

He said police officers, firefighters and their families would get five or more days in cities with large numbers of hotel rooms — Atlanta and Las Vegas in particular. In addition to rest and relaxation, he said, they will have time to assess their personal situation.

At two of the city's damaged levees, engineers continued making repairs that would allow pumps to begin draining the floodwaters. "The water is receding now. We just have a long ways to go," Mike Rogers, a disaster relief coordinator with the Army Corps of Engineers, said Sunday.

Hundreds of thousands of people already have been evacuated, seeking safety in Texas, Tennessee and other states. With more than 230,000 already in Texas, Gov. Rick Perry ordered emergency officials to begin preparations to airlift some of them to other states that have offered help.

What will happen to the refugees in the long term was not known.

In Jefferson Parish, residents were allowed back as long as they showed a valid ID proving residency, had food, had a full tank of gas and didn't drink the water.

Parish President Aaron Broussard warned residents that they would find all traffic signals destroyed, no open stores and a dusk-to-dawn curfew. He recommended that women not come alone.

Among those returning was Jack Rabito, 61, a restaurant-bar owner, who bought his home in 1965, and like Dempsey didn't have flood insurance. "I won't be getting inside today unless I get some scuba gear," he said, waiting with Dempsey for a ride in a boat to get to his home.

In Old Metairie, residents were angry that the levees were not designed to withstand a hurricane stronger than Category 3. Katrina was a Category 4 hurricane when it made landfall.

"My home didn't lose a shingle, but it's got six feet of water in it," said Bobby Patrick, a resident who returned from Houston.

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270. "Geraldo is keepin it real"
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271. ""If you scared, then SAY you scared" ~Goodie Mo B"
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This fool (or someone) actually banned me from posting... I can only reply.

Fascism at it's finest.

Man up, nigga...

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275. "Will Girls Gone Wild try to capitalize off the NO disaster?"
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i was gonna make a new thread to ask because it relates to soft porn and probably wouldn't merit a delete in GD, but I changed my mind. lol.

sheeeeit

  

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276. "After I read this, I got so mad my dick got hard"
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http://tiadaily.com/php-bin/news/showArticle.php?id=1026

by Robert Tracinski
It took four long days for state and federal officials to figure out how to deal with the disaster in New Orleans. I can't blame them, because it also took me four long days to figure out what was going on there. The reason is that the events there make no sense if you think that we are confronting a natural disaster.

If this is just a natural disaster, the response for public officials is obvious: you bring in food, water, and doctors; you send transportation to evacuate refugees to temporary shelters; you send engineers to stop the flooding and rebuild the city's infrastructure. For journalists, natural disasters also have a familiar pattern: the heroism of ordinary people pulling together to survive; the hard work and dedication of doctors, nurses, and rescue workers; the steps being taken to clean up and rebuild.

Public officials did not expect that the first thing they would have to do is to send thousands of armed troops in armored vehicle, as if they are suppressing an enemy insurgency. And journalists—myself included—did not expect that the story would not be about rain, wind, and flooding, but about rape, murder, and looting.

But this is not a natural disaster. It is a man-made disaster.

The man-made disaster is not an inadequate or incompetent response by federal relief agencies, and it was not directly caused by Hurricane Katrina. This is where just about every newspaper and television channel has gotten the story wrong.

The man-made disaster we are now witnessing in New Orleans did not happen over four days last week. It happened over the past four decades. Hurricane Katrina merely exposed it to public view.

The man-made disaster is the welfare state.

For the past few days, I have found the news from New Orleans to be confusing. People were not behaving as you would expect them to behave in an emergency—indeed, they were not behaving as they have behaved in other emergencies. That is what has shocked so many people: they have been saying that this is not what we expect from America. In fact, it is not even what we expect from a Third World country.

When confronted with a disaster, people usually rise to the occasion. They work together to rescue people in danger, and they spontaneously organize to keep order and solve problems. This is especially true in America. We are an enterprising people, used to relying on our own initiative rather than waiting around for the government to take care of us. I have seen this a hundred times, in small examples (a small town whose main traffic light had gone out, causing ordinary citizens to get out of their cars and serve as impromptu traffic cops, directing cars through the intersection) and large ones (the spontaneous response of New Yorkers to September 11).

So what explains the chaos in New Orleans?

To give you an idea of the magnitude of what is going on, here is a description from a Washington Times story:

"Storm victims are raped and beaten; fights erupt with flying fists, knives and guns; fires are breaking out; corpses litter the streets; and police and rescue helicopters are repeatedly fired on.

"The plea from Mayor C. Ray Nagin came even as National Guardsmen poured in to restore order and stop the looting, carjackings and gunfire....

"Last night, Gov. Kathleen Babineaux Blanco said 300 Iraq-hardened Arkansas National Guard members were inside New Orleans with shoot-to-kill orders.

" 'These troops are...under my orders to restore order in the streets,' she said. 'They have M-16s, and they are locked and loaded. These troops know how to shoot and kill and they are more than willing to do so if necessary and I expect they will.' "

The reference to Iraq is eerie. The photo that accompanies this article shows a SWAT team with rifles and armored vests riding on an armored vehicle through trash-strewn streets lined by a rabble of squalid, listless people, one of whom appears to be yelling at them. It looks exactly like a scene from Sadr City in Baghdad.

What explains bands of thugs using a natural disaster as an excuse for an orgy of looting, armed robbery, and rape? What causes unruly mobs to storm the very buses that have arrived to evacuate them, causing the drivers to speed away, frightened for their lives? What causes people to attack the doctors trying to treat patients at the Superdome?

Why are people responding to natural destruction by causing further destruction? Why are they attacking the people who are trying to help them?

My wife, Sherri, figured it out first, and she figured it out on a sense-of-life level. While watching the coverage one night on Fox News Channel, she told me that she was getting a familiar feeling. She studied architecture at the Illinois Institute of Chicago, which is located in the South Side of Chicago just blocks away from the Robert Taylor Homes, one of the largest high-rise public housing projects in America. "The projects," as they were known, were infamous for uncontrollable crime and irremediable squalor. (They have since, mercifully, been demolished.)

What Sherri was getting from last night's television coverage was a whiff of the sense of life of "the projects." Then the "crawl"—the informational phrases flashed at the bottom of the screen on most news channels—gave some vital statistics to confirm this sense: 75% of the residents of New Orleans had already evacuated before the hurricane, and of those who remained, a large number were from the city's public housing projects. Jack Wakeland then told me that early reports from CNN and Fox indicated that the city had no plan for evacuating all of the prisoners in the city's jails—so they just let many of them loose.

There is no doubt a significant overlap between these two populations--that is, a large number of people in the jails used to live in the housing projects, and vice versa.

There were many decent, innocent people trapped in New Orleans when the deluge hit—but they were trapped alongside large numbers of people from two groups: criminals—and wards of the welfare state, people selected, over decades, for their lack of initiative and self-induced helplessness. The welfare wards were a mass of sheep—on whom the incompetent administration of New Orleans unleashed a pack of wolves.

All of this is related, incidentally, to the incompetence of the city government, which failed to plan for a total evacuation of the city, despite the knowledge that this might be necessary. In a city corrupted by the welfare state, the job of city officials is to ensure the flow of handouts to welfare recipients and patronage to political supporters—not to ensure a lawful, orderly evacuation in case of emergency.

No one has really reported this story, as far as I can tell. In fact, some are already actively distorting it, blaming President Bush, for example, for failing to personally ensure that the Mayor of New Orleans had drafted an adequate evacuation plan. The worst example is an execrable piece from the Toronto Globe and Mail, by a supercilious Canadian who blames the chaos on American "individualism." But the truth is precisely the opposite: the chaos was caused by a system that was the exact opposite of individualism.

What Hurricane Katrina exposed was the psychological consequences of the welfare state. What we consider "normal" behavior in an emergency is behavior that is normal for people who have values and take the responsibility to pursue and protect them. People with values respond to a disaster by fighting against it and doing whatever it takes to overcome the difficulties they face. They don't sit around and complain that the government hasn't taken care of them. And they don't use the chaos of a disaster as an opportunity to prey on their fellow men.

But what about criminals and welfare parasites? Do they worry about saving their houses and property? They don't, because they don't own anything. Do they worry about what is going to happen to their businesses or how they are going to make a living? They never worried about those things before. Do they worry about crime and looting? But living off of stolen wealth is a way of life for them.

People living in piles of their own trash, while petulantly complaining that other people aren't doing enough to take care of them and then shooting at those who come to rescue them—this is not just a description of the chaos at the Superdome. It is a perfect summary of the 40-year history of the welfare state and its public housing projects.

The welfare state—and the brutish, uncivilized mentality it sustains and encourages—is the man-made disaster that explains the moral ugliness that has swamped New Orleans. And that is the story that no one is reporting.

Source: TIA Daily -- September 2, 2005

  

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277. "The United States of Shame by Maureen Dowd"
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September 3, 2005
United States of Shame
By MAUREEN DOWD

Stuff happens.

And when you combine limited government with incompetent government, lethal stuff happens.

America is once more plunged into a snake pit of anarchy, death, looting, raping, marauding thugs, suffering innocents, a shattered infrastructure, a gutted police force, insufficient troop levels and criminally negligent government planning. But this time it's happening in America.

W. drove his budget-cutting Chevy to the levee, and it wasn't dry. Bye, bye, American lives. "I don't think anyone anticipated the breach of the levees," he told Diane Sawyer.

Shirt-sleeves rolled up, W. finally landed in Hell yesterday and chuckled about his wild boozing days in "the great city" of N'Awlins. He was clearly moved. "You know, I'm going to fly out of here in a minute," he said on the runway at the New Orleans International Airport, "but I want you to know that I'm not going to forget what I've seen." Out of the cameras' range, and avoided by W., was a convoy of thousands of sick and dying people, some sprawled on the floor or dumped on baggage carousels at a makeshift M*A*S*H unit inside the terminal.

Why does this self-styled "can do" president always lapse into such lame "who could have known?" excuses.

Who on earth could have known that Osama bin Laden wanted to attack us by flying planes into buildings? Any official who bothered to read the trellis of pre-9/11 intelligence briefs.

Who on earth could have known that an American invasion of Iraq would spawn a brutal insurgency, terrorist recruiting boom and possible civil war? Any official who bothered to read the C.I.A.'s prewar reports.

Who on earth could have known that New Orleans's sinking levees were at risk from a strong hurricane? Anybody who bothered to read the endless warnings over the years about the Big Easy's uneasy fishbowl.

In June 2004, Walter Maestri, emergency management chief for Jefferson Parish, fretted to The Times-Picayune in New Orleans: "It appears that the money has been moved in the president's budget to handle homeland security and the war in Iraq, and I suppose that's the price we pay. Nobody locally is happy that the levees can't be finished, and we are doing everything we can to make the case that this is a security issue for us."

Not only was the money depleted by the Bush folly in Iraq; 30 percent of the National Guard and about half its equipment are in Iraq.

Ron Fournier of The Associated Press reported that the Army Corps of Engineers asked for $105 million for hurricane and flood programs in New Orleans last year. The White House carved it to about $40 million. But President Bush and Congress agreed to a $286.4 billion pork-filled highway bill with 6,000 pet projects, including a $231 million bridge for a small, uninhabited Alaskan island.

Just last year, Federal Emergency Management Agency officials practiced how they would respond to a fake hurricane that caused floods and stranded New Orleans residents. Imagine the feeble FEMA's response to Katrina if they had not prepared.

Michael Brown, the blithering idiot in charge of FEMA - a job he trained for by running something called the International Arabian Horse Association - admitted he didn't know until Thursday that there were 15,000 desperate, dehydrated, hungry, angry, dying victims of Katrina in the New Orleans Convention Center.

Was he sacked instantly? No, our tone-deaf president hailed him in Mobile, Ala., yesterday: "Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job."

It would be one thing if President Bush and his inner circle - Dick Cheney was vacationing in Wyoming; Condi Rice was shoe shopping at Ferragamo's on Fifth Avenue and attended "Spamalot" before bloggers chased her back to Washington; and Andy Card was off in Maine - lacked empathy but could get the job done. But it is a chilling lack of empathy combined with a stunning lack of efficiency that could make this administration implode.

When the president and vice president rashly shook off our allies and our respect for international law to pursue a war built on lies, when they sanctioned torture, they shook the faith of the world in American ideals.

When they were deaf for so long to the horrific misery and cries for help of the victims in New Orleans - most of them poor and black, like those stuck at the back of the evacuation line yesterday while 700 guests and employees of the Hyatt Hotel were bused out first - they shook the faith of all Americans in American ideals. And made us ashamed.

Who are we if we can't take care of our own?

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278. "OH SHIT TURN TO BILL O'REILLY"
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RIGHT NOW!

  

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279. "he called Kanye a "dopey little rapper""
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whose words don't mean anything.

  

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280. "replace rapper w/ nigger and you have now entered the mind of Mr. Bill"
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sheeeeit

  

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281. "Damn -- check out this video"
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of Kieth Olbermann going off on the administration:

http://media.putfile.com/OlbermannSwings

That's what I like to see.

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282. "that in my mind...is journalism"
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from what I stand that was impartial and critical of all sides.

but there is nothing wrong with being odd. i mean you arent inkast or adwhizz odd. - VABestBBW
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283. "agreed. n/m"
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The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts.

-- Bertrand Russell

  

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284. "Viewpoint: Has Katrina Saved U.S. Media? (BBC article swipe)"
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Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/americas/4214516.stm

Published: 2005/09/05 16:48:01 GMT

==begin swipe==
Viewpoint: Has Katrina saved US media?
By Matt Wells
Los Angeles

As President Bush scurries back to the Gulf Coast, it is clear that this is the greatest challenge to politics-as-usual in America since the fall of Richard Nixon in the 1970s.

Then as now, good reporting lies at the heart of what is changing.

But unlike Watergate, "Katrinagate" was public service journalism ruthlessly exposing the truth on a live and continuous basis.

Instead of secretive "Deep Throat" meetings in car-parks, cameras captured the immediate reality of what was happening at the New Orleans Convention Center, making a mockery of the stalling and excuses being put forward by those in power.

Amidst the horror, American broadcast journalism just might have grown its spine back, thanks to Katrina.

National politics reporters and anchors here come largely from the same race and class as the people they are supposed to be holding to account.

They live in the same suburbs, go to the same parties, and they are in debt to the same huge business interests.

Giant corporations own the networks, and Washington politicians rely on them and their executives to fund their re-election campaigns across the 50 states.

It is a perfect recipe for a timid and self-censoring journalistic culture that is no match for the masterfully aggressive spin-surgeons of the Bush administration.

'Lies or ignorance'

But last week the complacency stopped, and the moral indignation against inadequate government began to flow, from slick anchors who spend most of their time glued to desks in New York and Washington.

The most spectacular example came last Friday night on Fox News, the cable network that has become the darling of the Republican heartland.

This highly successful Murdoch-owned station sets itself up in opposition to the "mainstream liberal media elite".

But with the sick and the dying forced to sit in their own excrement behind him in New Orleans, its early-evening anchor Shepard Smith declared civil war against the studio-driven notion that the biggest problem was still stopping the looters.

On other networks like NBC, CNN and ABC it was the authority figures, who are so used to an easy ride at press conferences, that felt the full force of reporters finally determined to ditch the deference.

As the heads of the Homeland Security department and the Federal Emergency Management Agency (Fema) appeared for network interviews, their defensive remarks about where aid was arriving to, and when, were exposed immediately as either downright lies or breath-taking ignorance.

And you did not need a degree in journalism to know it either. Just watching TV for the previous few hours would have sufficed.

Iraq concern

When the back-slapping president told the Fema boss on Friday morning that he was doing "a heck of a job" and spent most of his first live news conference in the stricken area praising all the politicians and chiefs who had failed so clearly, it beggared belief.

The president looked affronted when a reporter covering his Mississippi walkabout had the temerity to suggest that having a third of the National Guard from the affected states on duty in Iraq might be a factor.

It is something I suspect he is going to have to get used to from now on: the list of follow-up questions is too long to ignore or bury.

And it is not only on TV and radio where the gloves have come off.

The most artful supporter of the administration on the staff of the New York Times, columnist David Brooks, has also had enough.

He and others are calling the debacle the "anti 9-11": "The first rule of the social fabric - that in times of crisis you protect the vulnerable - was trampled," he wrote on Sunday.

"Leaving the poor in New Orleans was the moral equivalent of leaving the injured on the battlefield."

Media emboldened

It is way too early to tell whether this really will become "Katrinagate" for President Bush, but how he and his huge retinue of politically-appointed bureaucrats react in the weeks ahead will be decisive.

Government has been thrown into disrepute, and many Americans have realised, for the first time, that the collapsed, rotten flood defences of New Orleans are a symbol of failed infrastructure across the nation.

Blaming the state and city officials, as the president is already trying to do over Katrina, will not wash.

Black America will not forget the government failures, and nor will the Gulf Coast region

Beyond the immediate challenge of re-housing the evacuees and getting 200,000-plus children into new schools, there will have to be a Katrina Commission, that a newly-emboldened media will scrutinise obsessively.

The dithering and incompetence that will be exposed will not spare the commander-in-chief, or the sunny, faith-based propaganda that he was still spouting as he left New Orleans airport last Friday, saying it was all going to turn out fine.

People were still trapped, hungry and dying on his watch, less than a mile away.

Black America will not forget the government failures, nor will the Gulf Coast region.

Tens of thousands of voters whose lives have been so devastated will cast their mid-term ballots in Texas next year - the president's adopted home state.

The final word belongs to the historic newspaper at the centre of the hurricane - The New Orleans Times-Picayune. At the weekend, this now-homeless institution published an open letter: "We're angry, Mr President, and we'll be angry long after our beloved city and surrounding parishes have been pumped dry.

"Our people deserved rescuing. Many who could have been, were not. That's to the government's shame."
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285. "Meet the Press video clip......open/honest/heartbreaking"
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Aaron Broussard,president of Jefferson Township....

listen to the whole thing.

towards the end he goes Nagin and succumbs to the wave of emotion as a a personal story takes it's toll.


http://www.indybay.org/uploads/aaron_broussard.mov


  

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286. "Official: E. Coli bacteria detected in floodwater"
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http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/06/katrina.impact/index.html

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287. "Bush investigates...himself."
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http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050906/ap_on_go_pr_wh/katrina_washington

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288. "Murder and rapes might have been fiction??? (SWIPE)"
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i'm not saying they were or they weren't. but it's troubling that a lot of the negative stuff that was reported as news remains uncorroborated. (like, whether a sniper really fired at that first medical evac helicopter that turned back and cost them two days on patient evacuation).

there was an article i posted in another post that talked about how the natl guard troops were suprised that they were NOT met with hordes of armed gangs when they entered the city.

-------
Gary Younge in Baton Rouge
Tuesday September 6, 2005
The Guardian


There were two babies who had their throats slit. The seven-year-old girl who was raped and murdered in the Superdome. And the corpses laid out amid the excrement in the convention centre.

In a week filled with dreadful scenes of desperation and anger from New Orleans following Hurricane Katrina some stories stood out.

But as time goes on many remain unsubstantiated and may yet prove to be apocryphal.

New Orleans police have been unable to confirm the tale of the raped child, or indeed any of the reports of rapes, in the Superdome and convention centre.
New Orleans police chief Eddie Compass said last night: "We don't have any substantiated rapes. We will investigate if the individuals come forward."

And while many claim they happened, no witnesses, survivors or survivors' relatives have come forward.

Nor has the source for the story of the murdered babies, or indeed their bodies, been found. And while the floor of the convention centre toilets were indeed covered in excrement, the Guardian found no corpses.

During a week when communications were difficult, rumours have acquired a particular currency. They acquired through repetition the status of established facts.

One French journalist from the daily newspaper Lib�ration was given precise information that 1,200 people had drowned at Marion Abramson school on 5552 Read Boulevard. Nobody at the Federal Emergency Management Agency or the New Orleans police force has been able to verify that.

But then Fema could not confirm there were thousands of people at the convention centre until they were told by the press for the simple reason that they did not know.

"Katrina's winds have left behind an information vacuum. And that vacuum has been filled by rumour.

"There is nothing to correct wild reports that armed gangs have taken over the convention centre," wrote Associated Press writer, Allen Breed.

"You can report them but you at least have to say they are unsubstantiated and not pass them off as fact," said one Baltimore-based journalist.

"But nobody is doing that."

Either way these rumours have had an effect.

Reports of the complete degradation and violent criminals running rampant in the Superdome suggested a crisis that both hastened the relief effort and demonised those who were stranded.

By the end of last week the media in Baton Rouge reported that evacuees from New Orleans were carjacking and that guns and knives were being seized in local shelters where riots were erupting.

The local mayor responded accordingly.

"We do not want to inherit the looting and all the other foolishness that went on in New Orleans," Kip Holden was told the Baton Rouge Advocate.

"We do not want to inherit that breed that seeks to prey on other people."

The trouble, wrote Howard Witt of the Chicago Tribune is that "scarcely any of it was true - the police confiscated a single knife from a refugee in one Baton Rouge shelter".

"There were no riots in Baton Rouge. There were no armed hordes."

Similarly when the first convoy of national guardsmen went into New Orleans approached the convention centre they were ordered to "lock and load".

But when they arrived they were confronted not by armed mobs but a nurse wearing a T-shirt that read "I love New Orleans".

"She ran down a broken escalator, then held her hands in the air when she saw the guns," wrote the LA Times.

"We have sick kids up here!" she shouted.

"We have dehydrated kids! One kid with sickle cell!"
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289. "how does this work exactly? i mean with perps yet among them?"
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if indeed the stories ARE true.....

which rape victim would feel comfortable fingering her assailant when he may very well be lingering about amongst the displaced?

Especially considering if the reports are as of yet uncorroborated than she almost surely hasn't recieved any medical treatment and is hardly in a state of mind to worry about the authorities.

  

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292. "i don't know. point is, i've been hearing conflicting stories..."
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i don't doubt at all that there was rape there. the issue is, were there as many as reported? or did the same stories get recirculated and added onto?

they should know pretty much since they are cleaning out the terrordome now. if there were indeed dead girls in the bathrooms and everything (i hope to God not).

i've even heard one story that a man raped a child in a bathroom and then a mob beat him to death. also that another man saw a rape being committed and ran out into the street to get help and was gunned down by the nat'l guard (i did see another report corroborating that a young man was dead in the street and bleeding, under a white sheet).

fact is, we don't know what facts is right now.

the whole thing is horror on top of horror.

can you imagine, if it was only rumors, let alone truth, spending the night in that kind of environment? preadators among you? i prolly could have killed someone out of reflex.



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295. "the title Welcome to the Terrordome......"
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(with all due respects to ur literary genius)

sounds increasingly inadequate by the day....

if this is possible.

the stench alone would have prolly driven half of us crazy....

but then who had time to go crazy?



  

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290. "A child in charge of `6 babies' (swipe)"
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From Yahoo.com

In the chaos that was Causeway Boulevard, this group of refugees stood out: a 6-year-old boy walking down the road, holding a 5-month-old, surrounded by five toddlers who followed him around as if he were their leader.

They were holding hands. Three of the children were about 2, and one was wearing only diapers. A 3-year-old girl, who wore colorful barrettes on the ends of her braids, had her 14-month-old brother in tow. The 6-year-old spoke for all of them, and he told rescuers his name was Deamonte Love.

Thousands of human stories have flown past relief workers in the last week, but few have touched them as much as the seven children who were found wandering together Thursday at an evacuation point in downtown New Orleans.

In the Baton Rouge headquarters of the rescue operation, paramedics tried to coax their names out of them; nurses who examined them stayed up that night, brooding.

Transporting the children alone was "the hardest thing I've ever done in my life, knowing that their parents are either dead" or that they had been abandoned, said Pat Coveney, a Houston emergency medical technician who put them into the back of his ambulance and drove them out of New Orleans.

"It goes back to the same thing," he said. "How did a 6-year-old end up being in charge of six babies?"

Children reported missing

So far, parents displaced by flooding have reported 220 children missing, but that number is expected to rise, said Mike Kenner of the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children, which will help reunite families.

"When my kids were little I used to lose them in Target, so it's not hard for me to believe," said Nanette White, press secretary for the Louisiana Department of Social Services. "Sometimes little kids just wander off. They're there one second and you blink and they're gone."

At the rescue headquarters, Deamonte volunteered his vital statistics. He said his father was tall and his mother was short. He gave his address, his phone number and the name of his elementary school.

He said the 5-month-old was his brother, Darynael, and that two others were his cousins, Tyreek and Zoria. The other three lived in his apartment building.

The children were clean and healthy--downright plump in the case of the infant, said Joyce Miller, a nurse who examined them. It was clear, she said, that "time had been taken with those kids."

All evening Thursday, volunteer Ron Haynes carried one of the 2-year-old girls back and forth, playing with her until she was calm enough to eat dinner.

"This baby child was terrified," he said. "After she relaxed, it was gobble, gobble, gobble."

Late the same night, they got an encouraging report: A woman in a shelter in Thibodaux, about 45 miles west of New Orleans, was searching for seven children. People in the building started clapping at the news. But when they got the mother on the phone, it became clear that she was looking for a different group, said Sharon Howard, assistant secretary of the office of public health.

"What that made me understand was that this was happening across the state," she said. "That kind of frightened me."

The children were transferred to a shelter operated by the Department of Social Services, with rooms full of toys and cribs where mentors from the Big Buddy Program were on hand day and night. For the next two days, the staff did detective work.

One of the 2-year-olds steadfastly refused to say her name until a worker took her picture with a digital camera and showed it to her. The little girl pointed at it and cried out, "Gabby!" One of the boys had a G printed on his T-shirt when he arrived; when volunteers started calling him G, they noticed that he responded.

Deamonte began to give more details to Derrick Robertson, a 27-year-old Big Buddy mentor: How he saw his mother cry when he was loaded onto the helicopter. How he promised her he would take care of his little brother.

Late Saturday, they found Deamonte's mother, who was in a shelter in San Antonio along with the four mothers of the other five children. Catrina Williams, 26, saw her children's pictures on a Web site set up over the weekend by the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children. By Sunday, a private plane from Angel Flight waited to take the children to Texas.

In a phone interview, Williams said she is the kind of mother who doesn't let her children out of her sight. What happened, she said, was that her family, trapped in a New Orleans apartment building, began to feel desperate.

Wrenching moment

The water wasn't going down, and they had been living without light, food or air conditioning for four days. The baby needed milk and the milk was gone. So she decided they would evacuate by helicopter. When a helicopter arrived, they were told to send the children first and that the helicopter would be back in 25 minutes.

It was a wrenching moment. Williams' father, Adrian Love, told her to send the children ahead.

"I told them to go ahead and give them up, because me, I would give my life for my kids. They should feel the same way," said Love, 48.

The helicopter didn't come back.

While the children were transported to Baton Rouge, their parents wound up in Texas. Days passed without contact. On Sunday, Williams was elated.

"All I know is I just want to see my kids," she said. "Everything else will just fall into place."

At 3 p.m. Sunday, social workers said goodbye to the children who now had names: Deamonte Love; Darynael Love; Zoria Love and her brother Tyreek. The girl who cried "Gabby!" was Gabrielle Janae Alexander. The girl they called Peanut was Degahney Carter. And the boy whom they called G was actually Lee--Leewood Moore Jr.

The children were strapped into car seats and driven to an airport for the flight to San Antonio to rejoin their parents. Deamonte was hanging on to Robertson's neck so desperately that Robertson decided, at the last minute, to ride with him as far as Lafayette.

Robertson said he doubted the children would remember much of the evacuation, or the smell of the flooded city.

"I think what's going to stick with them is that they survived Hurricane Katrina," he said. "And that they were loved."

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291. "What is the mayor responsible for?"
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A N.O city council person on democracy now who was a former Black Panther ripped the mayor saying that he depended too much on the empty promises of the governor and feds and did n't exploit options under his purview such as housing survivors in high rises or using cars in dealerships to get people out or using the power generators from buildings and hardware stores.

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294. "he should have been thinking of a way to evacuate the poor folk, even"
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if he had no way to fund it. but FEMA (state and federal) should have already been thinking it and told him about it as well.

>A N.O city council person on democracy now who was a former
>Black Panther ripped the mayor saying that he depended too
>much on the empty promises of the governor and feds and did
>n't exploit options under his purview such as housing
>survivors in high rises or using cars in dealerships to get
>people out or using the power generators from buildings and
>hardware stores.

the mayor said there was one exit (highway 310?) which was not flooded and that they told folks they could walk out along that highway. the ppl were met on a bridge by armed police from the next parrish who would not let them pass (for fear that they were gonna loot). in other words, folks could have had a long exodus out of the superdome and convention center if they were allowed to walk out but they were turned back at gunpoint.

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293. "New Orleans Times-Picayune open letter to Bush (swipe)"
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By the editors of the Times-Picayune


Sept. 6, 2005 | Dear Mr. President:

We heard you loud and clear Friday when you visited our devastated city and the Gulf Coast and said, "What is not working, we're going to make it right."

Please forgive us if we wait to see proof of your promise before believing you. But we have good reason for our skepticism.

Bienville built New Orleans where he built it for one main reason: It's accessible. The city between the Mississippi River and Lake Pontchartrain was easy to reach in 1718.

How much easier it is to access in 2005 now that there are interstates and bridges, airports and helipads, cruise ships, barges, buses and diesel-powered trucks.

Despite the city's multiple points of entry, our nation's bureaucrats spent days after last week's hurricane wringing their hands, lamenting the fact that they could neither rescue the city's stranded victims nor bring them food, water and medical supplies.

Meanwhile there were journalists, including some who work for The Times-Picayune, going in and out of the city via the Crescent City Connection. On Thursday morning, that crew saw a caravan of 13 Wal-Mart tractor trailers headed into town to bring food, water and supplies to a dying city.

Television reporters were doing live reports from downtown New Orleans streets. Harry Connick Jr. brought in some aid Thursday, and his efforts were the focus of a "Today" show story Friday morning.

Yet, the people trained to protect our nation, the people whose job it is to quickly bring in aid were absent. Those who should have been deploying troops were singing a sad song about how our city was impossible to reach. We're angry, Mr. President, and we'll be angry long after our beloved city and surrounding parishes have been pumped dry. Our people deserved rescuing. Many who could have been were not. That's to the government's shame.

Mayor Ray Nagin did the right thing Sunday when he allowed those with no other alternative to seek shelter from the storm inside the Louisiana Superdome. We still don't know what the death toll is, but one thing is certain: Had the Superdome not been opened, the city's death toll would have been higher. The toll may even have been exponentially higher.

It was clear to us by late morning Monday that many people inside the Superdome would not be returning home. It should have been clear to our government, Mr. President. So why weren't they evacuated out of the city immediately? We learned seven years ago, when Hurricane Georges threatened, that the Dome isn't suitable as a long-term shelter. So what did state and national officials think would happen to tens of thousands of people trapped inside with no air conditioning, overflowing toilets and dwindling amounts of food, water and other essentials?

State Rep. Karen Carter was right Friday when she said the city didn't have but two urgent needs: "Buses! And gas!" Every official at the Federal Emergency Management Agency should be fired, Director Michael Brown especially.

In a nationally televised interview Thursday night, he said his agency hadn't known until that day that thousands of storm victims were stranded at the Ernest N. Morial Convention Center. He gave another nationally televised interview the next morning and said, "We've provided food to the people at the Convention Center so that they've gotten at least one, if not two meals, every single day."

Lies don't get more bald-faced than that, Mr. President.

Yet, when you met with Mr. Brown Friday morning, you told him, "You're doing a heck of a job."

That's unbelievable.

There were thousands of people at the Convention Center because the riverfront is high ground. The fact that so many people had reached there on foot is proof that rescue vehicles could have gotten there, too.

We, who are from New Orleans, are no less American than those who live on the Great Plains or along the Atlantic Seaboard. We're no less important than those from the Pacific Northwest or Appalachia. Our people deserved to be rescued.

No expense should have been spared. No excuses should have been voiced. Especially not one as preposterous as the claim that New Orleans couldn't be reached.

Mr. President, we sincerely hope you fulfill your promise to make our beloved communities work right once again.

When you do, we will be the first to applaud.
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296. "Underestimated."
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Guys, keep posting. We need to get the WHOLE PICTURE from every angle.



http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050907/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/katrina_disaster_response

FEMA Chief Waited Until After Storm Hit

By TED BRIDIS, Associated Press Writer
12 minutes ago

The government's disaster chief waited until hours after Hurricane Katrina had already struck the Gulf Coast before asking his boss to dispatch 1,000 Homeland Security employees to the region — and gave them two days to arrive, according to internal documents.

Michael Brown, director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, sought the approval from Homeland Security Secretary Mike Chertoff roughly five hours after Katrina made landfall on Aug. 29. Brown said that among duties of these employees was to "convey a positive image" about the government's response for victims.

Before then, FEMA had positioned smaller rescue and communications teams across the Gulf Coast. But officials acknowledged Tuesday the first department-wide appeal for help came only as the storm raged.

Brown's memo to Chertoff described Katrina as "this near catastrophic event" but otherwise lacked any urgent language. The memo politely ended, "Thank you for your consideration in helping us to meet our responsibilities."

The initial responses of the government and Brown came under escalating criticism as the breadth of destruction and death grew. President Bush and Congress on Tuesday pledged separate investigations into the federal response to Katrina. "Governments at all levels failed," said Sen. Susan Collins (news, bio, voting record), R-Maine.

Homeland Security spokesman Russ Knocke said Brown had positioned front-line rescue teams and Coast Guard helicopters before the storm. Brown's memo on Aug. 29 aimed to assemble the necessary federal work force to support the rescues, establish communications and coordinate with victims and community groups, Knocke said.

Instead of rescuing people or recovering bodies, these employees would focus on helping victims find the help they needed, he said.

"There will be plenty of time to assess what worked and what didn't work," Knocke said. "Clearly there will be time for blame to be assigned and to learn from some of the successful efforts."

Brown's memo told employees that among their duties, they would be expected to "convey a positive image of disaster operations to government officials, community organizations and the general public."

"FEMA response and recovery operations are a top priority of the department and as we know, one of yours," Brown wrote Chertoff. He proposed sending 1,000 Homeland Security Department employees within 48 hours and 2,000 within seven days.

Knocke said the 48-hour period suggested for the Homeland employees was to ensure they had adequate training. "They were training to help the life-savers," Knocke said.

Employees required a supervisor's approval and at least 24 hours of disaster training in Maryland, Florida or Georgia. "You must be physically able to work in a disaster area without refrigeration for medications and have the ability to work in the outdoors all day," Brown wrote.

The same day Brown wrote Chertoff, Brown also urged local fire and rescue departments outside Louisiana, Alabama and Mississippi not to send trucks or emergency workers into disaster areas without an explicit request for help from state or local governments. Brown said it was vital to coordinate fire and rescue efforts.

Sen. Barbara Mikulski (news, bio, voting record), D-Md., said Tuesday that Brown should step down.

After a senators-only briefing by Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff and other Cabinet members, Sen. Charles E. Schumer (news, bio, voting record) said lawmakers weren't getting their questions answered.

"What people up there want to know, Democrats and Republicans, is what is the challenge ahead, how are you handling that and what did you do wrong in the past," said Schumer, D-N.Y.

Sen. Ted Stevens (news, bio, voting record), R-Alaska, said the administration is "getting a bad rap" for the emergency response. "People have to understand this is a big, big problem."

Meanwhile, the airline industry said the government's request for help evacuating storm victims didn't come until late Thursday afternoon. The president of the Air Transport Association, James May, said the Homeland Security Department called then to ask if the group could participate in an airlift for refugees.

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299. "Michael Brown needs to see EVERY SINGLE corpse"
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they pull out.

.he should have to explain to every misplaced resident.

.he should personally have a hand in rebuilding EVERY single building.

.he should have to stand at the end of the last highway and watch every last holdout leave their home against their will...

.next storm this season,drop him in the storms path with only a FEMA embroidered wetsuit and a watch...we'll pick HIM up in 2hrs to 2days.

  

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,1563470,00.html

Murder and rape - fact or fiction?

Gary Younge in Baton Rouge
Tuesday September 6, 2005
The Guardian


There were two babies who had their throats slit. The seven-year-old girl who was raped and murdered in the Superdome. And the corpses laid out amid the excrement in the convention centre.
In a week filled with dreadful scenes of desperation and anger from New Orleans following Hurricane Katrina some stories stood out.

But as time goes on many remain unsubstantiated and may yet prove to be apocryphal.

New Orleans police have been unable to confirm the tale of the raped child, or indeed any of the reports of rapes, in the Superdome and convention centre.


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New Orleans police chief Eddie Compass said last night: "We don't have any substantiated rapes. We will investigate if the individuals come forward."

And while many claim they happened, no witnesses, survivors or survivors' relatives have come forward.
Nor has the source for the story of the murdered babies, or indeed their bodies, been found. And while the floor of the convention centre toilets were indeed covered in excrement, the Guardian found no corpses.

During a week when communications were difficult, rumours have acquired a particular currency. They acquired through repetition the status of established facts.

One French journalist from the daily newspaper Libération was given precise information that 1,200 people had drowned at Marion Abramson school on 5552 Read Boulevard. Nobody at the Federal Emergency Management Agency or the New Orleans police force has been able to verify that.

But then Fema could not confirm there were thousands of people at the convention centre until they were told by the press for the simple reason that they did not know.

"Katrina's winds have left behind an information vacuum. And that vacuum has been filled by rumour.

"There is nothing to correct wild reports that armed gangs have taken over the convention centre," wrote Associated Press writer, Allen Breed.

"You can report them but you at least have to say they are unsubstantiated and not pass them off as fact," said one Baltimore-based journalist.

"But nobody is doing that."

Either way these rumours have had an effect.

Reports of the complete degradation and violent criminals running rampant in the Superdome suggested a crisis that both hastened the relief effort and demonised those who were stranded.

By the end of last week the media in Baton Rouge reported that evacuees from New Orleans were carjacking and that guns and knives were being seized in local shelters where riots were erupting.

The local mayor responded accordingly.

"We do not want to inherit the looting and all the other foolishness that went on in New Orleans," Kip Holden was told the Baton Rouge Advocate.

"We do not want to inherit that breed that seeks to prey on other people."

The trouble, wrote Howard Witt of the Chicago Tribune is that "scarcely any of it was true - the police confiscated a single knife from a refugee in one Baton Rouge shelter".

"There were no riots in Baton Rouge. There were no armed hordes."

Similarly when the first convoy of national guardsmen went into New Orleans approached the convention centre they were ordered to "lock and load".

But when they arrived they were confronted not by armed mobs but a nurse wearing a T-shirt that read "I love New Orleans".

"She ran down a broken escalator, then held her hands in the air when she saw the guns," wrote the LA Times.

"We have sick kids up here!" she shouted.

"We have dehydrated kids! One kid with sickle cell!"





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Much much much respect.

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Michael Jackson plans single for Katrina victims
06 Sep 2005 19:36:24 GMT

Source: Reuters

LOS ANGELES, Sept 6 (Reuters) - Pop star Michael Jackson, who has been in seclusion since his acquittal on sex abuse charges, has written a song that he will record to benefit victims of Hurricane Katrina, his publicist said on Tuesday.

Jackson will record the single, "From the Bottom of My Heart," within two weeks, and he plans to enlist other entertainers for the project, spokeswoman Raymone Bain said.

"It pains me to watch the human suffering taking place in the Gulf region of my country," Jackson, 47, said in a written statement. "My heart and prayers go out to every individual who has had to endure the pain and suffering caused by this tragedy."

He added: "I will be reaching out to others within the music industry to join me in helping bring relief and hope to these resilient people who have lost everything."

Jackson, who left his Neverland Valley Ranch in California for Bahrain after his acquittal on child molestation charges in June, will record the song on a label owned by Bahrain's crown prince, Bain said, and donate the proceeds to hurricane victims.

Bain said Jackson was hoping to repeat the success he had with "We Are the World," a 1985 charity single with dozens of the era's top recording stars that raised more than $60 million for Africa. Jackson wrote the song with singer Lionel Richie.

  

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STEPH SHOWS A SIDE RARELY SEEN

By MARC BERMAN

Knicks captain Stephon Marbury wept uncontrollably during an impassioned speech at an NBA Players' Association press conference after he pledged between $500,000 and $1 million to relief efforts for Hurricane Katrina.

A sobbing Marbury spoke about "little babies floating in the river" before Billy Hunter Jr., the director of the Players' Association, interrupted him 21/2 minutes into the rambling talk. Hunter gently nudged Marbury back to his seat on the dais as the Knicks point guard, who could not speak through his sobs, held on to him.

The Brooklyn-born Marbury still couldn't collect himself, bawling with his head down for another five minutes as the proceedings moved on, not looking up once. A league official approached the dais to hand Marbury a box of tissues, which he used to wipe away his tears.

Marbury's donation is the largest from an NBA player to date, by far. Kobe Bryant last week donated $100,000.

Knick officials and a member of Marbury's family, as well as a business associate, said Marbury did not lose a relative or friend in the New Orleans disaster.

"I see them little kids crying, I just think about my kids, about my son," Marbury said, his voice choked. "You see little babies floating in the river. It's amazing. Amazing; these people are still just going. You complain about the littlest things. But we're so fortunate to breathe and walk, knowing all of this is going on."

Marbury's voice cracked throughout. "It's not even about money," Marbury said. "The thing now is, it's more about everybody just coming together. Just trying to basically live as one. If this won't do it, then nothing will do it."

Marbury was on the dais with teammate Allan Houston and fellow players Antonio Davis and Pat Garrity.

"The money you donate is nothing," Marbury said. "You're supposed to do that. We just have to take our cares to another level, just the way we treat people. You see this, you know it's going on, and people don't care about it.

"For me, I just keep looking at my kids, looking at my kids. You don't think about anything else, you just hold them tight and look at them and they don't even know why you're looking at them like that. You want to cry but they don't understand.

"For me, the money that I'm giving, it never do anything . . ."

At that point, Marbury became emotional and Hunter stepped in.

Team officials say they had never seen Marbury in a state of tears, but he recently had his first son, Stephon Jr., in March. Marbury also has two daughters.

Marbury is often gruff with the media, occasionally spouting "next question" in the face of queries that rub him the wrong way.

"This was Marbury's other side," a close friend said. "He's a soft guy when it comes to children. Something just hit home to him. Not a lot of people know this Steph. It reminds him of his childhood and how he got a lot of breaks and these kids got bad breaks."

Houston, amidst a $100 million contract, donated an unspecified amount.

"You see something like this, driving around in your car, walking around in your house, like Steph said, you almost feel guilty because there are people who have lost everything," Houston said. "I just want to encourage everyone to do something."

The players' union, working with the organization Feed the Children, has 90 trucks handing out food and supplies. Next Tuesday a caravan of NBA players will disperse food and supplies in Mississippi.
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304. "Wow do you have a link"
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He was hurt as much as everyone else.

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http://www.nypost.com/sports/knicks/27752.htm

Also here's a link to the NY Daily News story which is free:
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320. "wow. MUCH respect to marbury on that. nm"
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http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-photos7sep07,1,5455941.story?coll=la-headlines-nation&ctrack=1&cset=true

FEMA Wants No Photos of Dead
From Reuters

NEW ORLEANS — The U.S. agency leading Hurricane Katrina rescue efforts said Tuesday that it does not want the news media to photograph the dead as they are recovered.

The Federal Emergency Management Agency, heavily criticized for its slow response to the devastation caused by the hurricane, rejected journalists' requests to accompany rescue boats searching for storm victims.

An agency spokeswoman said space was needed on the rescue boats.

"We have requested that no photographs of the deceased be made by the media," the spokeswoman said in an e-mail.
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307. "Blame Amid the Tragedy"
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http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110007219

Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin failed their constituents.

BY BOB WILLIAMS
Wednesday, September 7, 2005 12:01 a.m. EDT

As the devastation of Hurricane Katrina continues to shock and sadden the nation, the question on many lips is, Who is to blame for the inadequate response?

As a former state legislator who represented the legislative district most impacted by the eruption of Mount St. Helens in 1980, I can fully understand and empathize with the people and public officials over the loss of life and property.

Many in the media are turning their eyes toward the federal government, rather than considering the culpability of city and state officials. I am fully aware of the challenges of having a quick and responsive emergency response to a major disaster. And there is definitely a time for accountability; but what isn't fair is to dump on the federal officials and avoid those most responsible--local and state officials who failed to do their job as the first responders. The plain fact is, lives were needlessly lost in New Orleans due to the failure of Louisiana's governor, Kathleen Blanco, and the city's mayor, Ray Nagin.

The primary responsibility for dealing with emergencies does not belong to the federal government. It belongs to local and state officials who are charged by law with the management of the crucial first response to disasters. First response should be carried out by local and state emergency personnel under the supervision of the state governor and his emergency operations center.

The actions and inactions of Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin are a national disgrace due to their failure to implement the previously established evacuation plans of the state and city. Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin cannot claim that they were surprised by the extent of the damage and the need to evacuate so many people. Detailed written plans were already in place to evacuate more than a million people. The plans projected that 300,000 people would need transportation in the event of a hurricane like Katrina. If the plans had been implemented, thousands of lives would likely have been saved.

In addition to the plans, local, state and federal officials held a simulated hurricane drill 13 months ago, in which widespread flooding supposedly trapped 300,000 people inside New Orleans. The exercise simulated the evacuation of more than a million residents. The problems identified in the simulation apparently were not solved.

A year ago, as Hurricane Ivan approached, New Orleans ordered an evacuation but did not use city or school buses to help people evacuate. As a result many of the poorest citizens were unable to evacuate. Fortunately, the hurricane changed course and did not hit New Orleans, but both Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin acknowledged the need for a better evacuation plan. Again, they did not take corrective actions. In 1998, during a threat by Hurricane George, 14,000 people were sent to the Superdome and theft and vandalism were rampant due to inadequate security. Again, these problems were not corrected.

The New Orleans contingency plan is still, as of this writing, on the city's Web site, and states: "The safe evacuation of threatened populations is one of the principle reasons for developing a Comprehensive Emergency Management Plan." But the plan was apparently ignored.

Mayor Nagin was responsible for giving the order for mandatory evacuation and supervising the actual evacuation: His Office of Emergency Preparedness (not the federal government) must coordinate with the state on elements of evacuation and assist in directing the transportation of evacuees to staging areas. Mayor Nagin had to be encouraged by the governor to contact the National Hurricane Center before he finally, belatedly, issued the order for mandatory evacuation. And sadly, it apparently took a personal call from the president to urge the governor to order the mandatory evacuation.

The city's evacuation plan states: "The city of New Orleans will utilize all available resources to quickly and safely evacuate threatened areas." But even though the city has enough school and transit buses to evacuate 12,000 citizens per fleet run, the mayor did not use them. To compound the problem, the buses were not moved to high ground and were flooded. The plan also states that "special arrangements will be made to evacuate persons unable to transport themselves or who require specific lifesaving assistance. Additional personnel will be recruited to assist in evacuation procedures as needed." This was not done.

The evacuation plan warned that "if an evacuation order is issued without the mechanisms needed to disseminate the information to the affected persons, then we face the possibility of having large numbers of people either stranded and left to the mercy of a storm, or left in an area impacted by toxic materials." That is precisely what happened because of the mayor's failure.

Instead of evacuating the people, the mayor ordered the refugees to the Superdome and Convention Center without adequate security and no provisions for food, water and sanitary conditions. As a result people died, and there was even rape committed, in these facilities. Mayor Nagin failed in his responsibility to provide public safety and to manage the orderly evacuation of the citizens of New Orleans. Now he wants to blame Gov. Blanco and the Federal Emergency Management Agency. In an emergency the first requirement is for the city's emergency center to be linked to the state emergency operations center. This was not done.

The federal government does not have the authority to intervene in a state emergency without the request of a governor. President Bush declared an emergency prior to Katrina hitting New Orleans, so the only action needed for federal assistance was for Gov. Blanco to request the specific type of assistance she needed. She failed to send a timely request for specific aid.

In addition, unlike the governors of New York, Oklahoma and California in past disasters, Gov. Blanco failed to take charge of the situation and ensure that the state emergency operation facility was in constant contact with Mayor Nagin and FEMA. It is likely that thousands of people died because of the failure of Gov. Blanco to implement the state plan, which mentions the possible need to evacuate up to one million people. The plan clearly gives the governor the authority for declaring an emergency, sending in state resources to the disaster area and requesting necessary federal assistance.

State legislators and governors nationwide need to update their contingency plans and the operation procedures for state emergency centers. Hurricane Katrina had been forecast for days, but that will not always be the case with a disaster (think of terrorist attacks). It must be made clear that the governor and locally elected officials are in charge of the "first response."

I am not attempting to excuse some of the delays in FEMA's response. Congress and the president need to take corrective action there, also. However, if citizens expect FEMA to be a first responder to terrorist attacks or other local emergencies (earthquakes, forest fires, volcanoes), they will be disappointed. The federal government's role is to offer aid upon request.

The Louisiana Legislature should conduct an immediate investigation into the failures of state and local officials to implement the written emergency plans. The tragedy is not over, and real leadership in the state and local government are essential in the months to come. More importantly, the hurricane season is still upon us, and local and state officials must stay focused on the jobs for which they were elected--and not on the deadly game of passing the emergency buck.

Mr. Williams is president of the Evergreen Freedom Foundation, a free market public policy research organization in Olympia, Wash.

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308. "if only more gov't agencies had responded as quickly as this: (swipe)"
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http://www.nola.com/newslogs/breakingtp/index.ssf?/mtlogs/nola_Times-Picayune/archives/2005_09.html#077773

Game wardens to the rescue

By Bob Marshall
Outdoors editor

Hurricane Katrina was still hitting southeast Louisiana with 50-mph farewell punches on the morning of Aug. 29 when a convoy of some 70 vehicles hauling boats and game wardens from the state Department of Wildlife and Fisheries building in Baton Rouge had managed to snake through New Orleans along Tchoupitoulas Street then through the French Quarter to the St. Claude Avenue bridge over the Industrial Canal.


That’s when Maj. Sandy Dares knew he and his game wardens were entering a rescue mission that might dwarf anything he’d seen in 20-odd years of hurricane relief work.


“When we got to the top of the bridge and looked across, everything below there – the lower 9th (Ward) toward St. Bernard Parish - was just one big lake,” Dares said. “There were people sitting on their roofs yelling for help. We could hear others hammering on their roofs from inside their attics. It was just a sight I‘ll never forget.


“We immediately started launching our boats and rescuing the living.”


It was just the start. Within 24 hours the fish and wildlife agency would have more than 200 boats in the water, and within six days would have rescued an estimated 20,000 residents of the metro area, agency officials said.


As the nation is consumed in a heated, often bitter debate over the speed of federal response to the disaster, a look at the actions of the state’s fish and wildlife agency before and after the storm reveals a picture of efficiency that may have saved tens of thousands of lives. Dares and other agency veterans, while heaping praise on the efforts of their staff, are not surprised.


“We have the training, we have the assets, and we have the dedicated employees,” Dares says. “No one expected anything like this; no one has ever seen anything like this, on such a huge scale.


“But, really, this is something we practice for, and a drill we go through several times every year. When a storm comes, our people aren’t asked to come to work, they are required to.”


The DWF, in fact, is the state’s designated initial responder, with a seat at the state’s Office of Emergency Preparedness. The steps it took in the days before and after the storm followed a well-rehearsed script. According to Dares and DWF Secretary Dwight Landreneau, the agency’s participation in the Hurricane Katrina story proceeded on the following schedule:


Friday, Aug. 26. – As Katrina reaches the Gulf after passing over Florida, the state opens its Emergency Operations Center, and all DWF enforcement agents are notified that the agency’s hurricane plan is now operational. Agents and other personnel in coastal parishes must begin moving their boats and other emergency equipment north, many to Baton Rouge. Simultaneously, agents in northern parishes
begin moving their equipment and boats south to Baton Rouge.


“We’re staging our equipment to be ready to respond once we know where landfall is likely to be,” Landreneau explained.


Saturday – By now the storm has grown and presents a serious threat to Louisiana with landfall predicted for Sunday afternoon or night. “Basically, we’re now telling everyone they have to get out of low-lying areas, and all the gear has to be moved here, or in staging areas where we can get to it immediately after the storm,” Dares said. “We have a lot of agents in Baton Rouge now. Many are staying with other employees, but some personnel are staying in our building.”


Sunday – Agency teams continue to arrive in Baton Rouge, prepare equipment and supplies for the post-storm efforts. They use weather reports to chart the storm’s path. “We’re just waiting to go once we think it’s safe enough to stay on the road,” Landreneau said.


Monday – That moment comes around noon Monday. “We left for New Orleans on I-10 with 70 boats and support people,” Dares said. “There were (Department of Transportation) people ahead of us to check all the bridges to make sure the roads were safe. They were also clearing debris.”


Shortly after the convoy left, the agency notified the rest of its 850 employees to be on standby. All other boat operators – whether game wardens or biologists – were reporting to add to the relief effort. Office personnel were used in support capacities working on sending supplies south. An initial staging and communications center was established at the Tangers Outlet Mall near Gonzales. Later that was moved to Elmwood Shopping Center in Jefferson.


By early afternoon the first convoy had rolled through New Orleans, largely on streets with very little flood waters, Dares said. Even the Superdome area was relatively dry, he said. But when his group reached the St. Claude Avenue bridge, the severity of the storm began to sink in.


For the next two days Dares and his fellow game wardens worked without relief, and almost without pause. “There were so many people waiting for help, we didn’t have time to stop,” he said. “It was just constant work. We’d load a boat with people, run to the nearest high ground or road, unload them, and go back out.”


By then the 17th Street Canal levee had broken, and large portions of the city that had been dry began flooding, increasing the urgency of the work. Also by then, the lack of follow-up support began to make itself felt.


“All these poor people who had just been through hell and barely escaped with their lives were now sitting on the interstate or at the Superdome or at the Convention Center in 95 degree heat, no water, no food, no medicine. It was awful. It was the worst kind of human suffering you could imagine.


“And the frustrating thing was we couldn’t do anything about it. We felt some anger, some frustration, but we still had a job to do. Our job wasn’t secondary support. We still had people on roofs, inside attics, in trees. We emptied hospitals and severe care facilities. And they all went to roads to wait for help. And every hour conditions were getting even more dire.”


The nights were the worst, and the most surreal, agents said. By now the water in the city had become a toxic gumbo of human waste, decomposing bodies and hazardous chemicals. Looting had spun out of control in certain parts of the city, and the echo of gunshots in the night had prompted agents to don body armor and begin carrying shotguns. The agency’s communication system, like most others, was inoperable, and agents often found themselves in the dark, following the cries for help through a city that now was illuminated by the hellish glow from fires.


But the game wardens worked on.


“I’m not sure if it’s the adrenalin, or the training or what, but you just keep working and working,” Dares said. “I can’t tell you how proud I am of the people in this agency.


“But, by no means, was this a solo effort. We were not the only agency out there. This was an incredible combined effort from state, local, federal – and volunteers, volunteers from everywhere. Fishermen, crabbers, everyone with a boat.”


Many of the volunteers were game wardens from about 20 other states, Dares said. They came from as close as Texas, and as far away as Canada.


“The great thing about game wardens is that they’re totally self-contained,” Dares said. “They show up with equipment, fuel, food, water. They know how to rough it. Some people volunteer, and then you have to take care of them. Not game wardens. You just point them in a direction, and say go.”


A week later, the agency’s rescue work was largely done, with an estimated 20,000 to 22,000 people removed form the flood. The agency was now turning to begin filling its primary role: protecting fish and wildlife.


“Human life always comes first,” said Landreneau. “We’re just beginning to have meetings to map a strategy for assessing the impact on our natural resources form this storm.


“We’ve got a plan for that, too.”



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309. "Black Poverty Exposed by Charles Mudede (The Stranger swipe)"
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http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/Content?oid=22940
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Black Poverty Exposed
The Hurricane Didn’t Just Blow Away New Orleans. It Blew America’s Cover

BY CHARLES MUDEDE

Before Hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans, nearly 70 percent of the city’s population was black. After the hurricane, that figure must be in the high 90s. Indeed, if a person were to walk out of the wilderness today and see for the first time the images coming out of New Orleans—pictures of the dead, the raped, the hungry, the stranded, the refugees—that person would immediately think that the disaster was unfolding in Lagos (which is in Nigeria), or Monrovia (Liberia), or Nairobi (Kenya). But these images do not come from Africa, but an American city; and not just some little old sleepy town in the South, but a major and world-famous metropolis.

After learning the facts, this person, who has just walked out of the wilderness, would ask himself the question that’s perplexing every thinking person on this planet: How is it possible that a rich city in the richest country in the world can be transformed, in a matter of days, into a third-world city?

No one is more astonished than mayor of New Orleans, Ray Nagin.

“You mean to tell me that a place where most of your oil is coming through,” Nagin said in a radio interview, the transcript of which was posted on CNN.com, “a place that is so unique when you mention New Orleans anywhere around the world, everybody’s eyes light up—you mean to tell me that a place where you probably have thousands of people that have died and thousands more that are dying every day, that we can’t figure out a way to authorize the resources that we need? Come on, man.”

All it took was just one storm—a hurricane that didn’t even score a direct hit!—to expose not only how unprepared New Orleans and the nation was, but to completely expose America’s social and racial realties. Now we know what New Orleans was really about. The jazz, the spicy foods, the sensual bars, the famous streets were all a thin cover for a class system that had no middle ground. As in any Third World country, there exists in America an extreme division between those who are rich and those who are poor. And those who are poor in New Orleans are predominantly black. And they are the ones who couldn’t afford to get out.

New Orleans’s economic base is—or was—tourism, and those who have the worst jobs in the hospitality industry are—or were—African Americans.

“While the vast majority of those cleaning and servicing hotels are black, not a single major hotel in New Orleans is black-owned,” reports the Hospitality, Hotels, and Restaurants Organizing Council (HHROC), a group representing three hotel unions in New Orleans. The same report estimates that 42 percent of blacks in New Orleans live below the poverty line; the national average for African Americans is 22 percent. The furious hurricane came and went, and the whole world can now see naked American poverty—without the jazz, the carnivals, and the Super Bowl games—and know that the poverty in the heart of this red state was no different from poverty in Bombay, India.

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310. "Bush Blows Katrina (Seattle Weekly, URL link)"
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http://www.seattleweekly.com/features/printme.php3?eid=67621

Worth a reed.


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311. "michael brown's assistants even less qualified than HE is:"
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Top FEMA Deputies Make Brown Look Qualified

If Bush were to fire FEMA director Mike Brown the agency would be run by the Chief of Staff and the Deputy Chief of Staff. (See the FEMA organizational chart).

The Chief of Staff is a guy named Patrick Rhode. He planned events for President Bush’s campaign. Rhode has no emergency management experience whatsoever. From Rhode’s official bio:

His first position with the Bush Administration was as special assistant to the President and deputy director of National Advance Operations, a position he assumed in January 2001. Previously, Mr. Rhode served as deputy director of National Advance Operations for the George W. Bush Presidential Campaign, in Austin, Texas.

The Deputy Chief of Staff is Scott Morris. He was a press flak for Bush’s presidential campaign. Previously, he worked for the company that produced Bush’s campaign commercials. He also has no emergency management experience. From Morris’s official bio:

Mr. Morris was also the marketing director for the world’s leading provider of e-business applications software in California, and worked for Maverick Media in Austin, Texas as a media strategist for the George W. Bush for President primary campaign and the Bush-Cheney 2000 campaign.

These guys make Brown look qualified. And that’s no small feat.



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also, brown was fired from his previous private sector job overseeing HORSE SHOWS in colorado. he did this for 11 years before being fired for failure to oversee things properly, basically (sound familiar).

dude was hired from THAT to be deputy director of FEMA by Joseph Allbaugh, bush's initial appointee to the post, who himself had no emergency management background. brown was allbaugh's college roommate.

they entrusted millions of people's lives to these unqualified f*cks. but bitch about affirmative action.




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I am amazed at not only how out of touch Brown was during those interviews last week, but the fact that he was so clueless to everything, probably the main reason why he stopped doing interviews this week.

Fired from doing fricken horse shows? Shit.





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312. "Mexican Army Will Now Assist In Katrina Relief Efforts (article swipe)"
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9248064/
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Mexican army soldiers stand at attention in front of their transport vehicles before resting late Tuesday, their first day of travel toward the U.S. border near the city of Matehuala, Mexico. The mission to feed the victims of Hurricane Katrina will be the first Mexican military unit to operate on U.S. soil since 1846.



Updated: 12:03 a.m. ET Sept. 8, 2005

NUEVO LAREDO, Mexico - A Mexican ship laden with hurricane relief supplies anchored off Mississippi Wednesday night, while an aid-bearing Mexican army convoy reached the U.S. border in a journey marking the first time its military has aided the United States.

The Papaloapan, a navy vessel, arrived in U.S. waters following its voyage from the Gulf coast port of Tampico and began unloading rescue equipment by helicopter, the Mexican navy’s press office said.

Meanwhile, a convoy of 45 vehicles and 196 soldiers arrived at the border city of Nuevo Laredo Wednesday evening. It was to cross into U.S. territory early Thursday, Gen. Francisco Ortiz Valadez told reporters as his men refueled at a local gas station.

He said the troops would help refugee operations in San Antonio, Texas.

“Our mission is to give aid to the civilian population affected by the disaster,” Ortiz said.

Federal police briefly blocked the highway in both directions as the convoy arrived at the gasoline station.

Radio talk shows and newspapers in Mexico buzzed with excitement over news that this country, long on the receiving end of U.S. disaster relief, was sending a hurricane aid convoy north.

First to operate on U.S. soil since 1846
The convoy represents the first Mexican military unit to operate on U.S. soil since 1846, when Mexican troops briefly marched into Texas, which had separated from Mexico and joined the United States.

It included military specialists, doctors, nurses and engineers carrying water treatment plants, mobile kitchens, food and blankets.

“This is just an act of solidarity between two peoples who are brothers,” said Fox’s spokesman, Ruben Aguilar.

Army press office employee Francisco Aguilar said he did not have details of the convoy’s precise location. It originally was scheduled to arrive in Houston to provide food for evacuees, but apparently had been rerouted to Dallas.

All of the convoy’s participants will be unarmed. In July 2004, Mexican troops interrupted the funeral of a Mexican-born Marine killed in Iraq. They objected to the nonworking, ceremonial rifles carried by two Marines who came from the United States for the ceremony.

Mexico later apologized but said it has an obligation to enforce a ban on foreign troops carrying weapons in its territory.

‘High symbolic content’
The convoy has “a very high symbolic content,” said Javier Oliva, a political scientist at Mexico’s National Autonomous University. “This is a very sensitive subject, for historic and political reasons.”

Large Mexican flags were taped to many of the 35 olive-green Mexican Army trucks and tractor trailers as they rumbled northward toward the border Wednesday.

The convoy includes two mobile kitchens that can feed 7,000 people a day, three flatbed trucks carrying mobile water-treatment plants and 15 trailers of bottled water, blankets and applesauce. The 195 Mexicans taking part include military engineers, doctors and nurses.

“This is the first time that the United States has accepted a military mission from Mexico” for such work, said Javier Ibarrola, a newspaper columnist who covers military affairs in Mexico.

The relief mission was controversial for some Mexican lawmakers, who said the president should have sought Senate approval before sending troops abroad. But the Fox administration said no such approval was needed for aid missions. But it nevertheless later asked permission and the Senate approved it.

The government was planning to send a second, 12-vehicle aid convoy to the U.S. sometime this week and has sent a Mexican navy ship equipped with rescue vehicles and helicopters to the Mississippi coast.

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314. "Why China didn't send a lot of loot."
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20050907/ts_csm/ochinaview&printer=1;_ylt=AiiKl111jKY.p6zn5CrkSPaOe8UF;_ylu=X3oDMTA3MXN1bHE0BHNlYwN0bWE-

As China changes, so does its image of US

By Robert Marquand
Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor
Wed Sep 7, 4:00 AM ET

As President Hu Jintao prepares to visit the US next week for the first time as China's leader, he represents a country whose popular understanding of America has become more diverse, yet whose negative impression of the US as a "bully" and "rival" continues to deepen, particularly among young people.

The US is seen by urban Chinese through a complex love-hate relationship, and through a lens shaped both by official propaganda and a greater number of personal impressions. In recent years, views on the US have intensified as many Chinese feel more pride about the rise of their nation, say experts and ordinary people.

Many Chinese still feel a century-old sense that America is young and flexible, a "sunshine society," a place of wealth and generosity where laws are made to protect people, as one Beijing scholar here puts it. At the same time, more Chinese describe the US as trying to keep China poor, say it is trying to block China's rise as a world power since the US is weakening, and argue that the US media is more critical of China and Chinese leaders than it is to its own society and leaders.

"Most Americans are very kind," says Luo, a philosophy student whose comments were typical. "But now , the Americans don't care about the rest of the world, what is happening in other places, except when it concerns their own lives."

"What I hear is, 'I want my kids to go to school in the US, I want to go there on vacation,' " says a Western diplomat. "But at the same time America is acting like China's enemy."

For college student Li Zhao, America is the California coast that actor Dustin Hoffman drives in "The Graduate," her favorite US film. For engineer Wang Yue, it is a grinning, gun-toting soldier wearing desert camouflage. For Yi, the US is a picket-fence neighborhood with lots of dogs, where "everyone says hello in the morning."

Such views tumble out at the "English Corner," a weekly gabfest of English students from all over Beijing at People's University. Across the street, "War of the Worlds" is playing at one of the biggest film theaters in Beijing. This is mostly a sympathetic crowd. They are interested in US lifestyles, sports, films, food: bowling, foos ball (a new rage), pizza, wealth.

They speak of the US role in defeating Japan in World War II, of helping Beijing get the 2008 Olympics, and American concern over the 1989 Tiananmen massacre. Ms. Li leads an explication of the song "Scarborough Fair."

One enterprising Chinese working for a joint venture compared the maturing Chinese view of America to the popularity of name-brand restaurants. Currently, Pizza Hut is the hottest restaurant in China, with long lines in the evenings.

"Pizza Hut is the McDonald's of 10 years ago," she says. "We used to think the US was McDonald's. Now we think it is a grownup restaurant, where you use knives and forks. People go because despite what you hear, the West is still cool in our minds."

Yet even at English Corner, deep suspicions are articulated about the US. "Anti-Americanism is building, and getting bigger," says a graduate student who did not give his name. "This feeling used to be due to propaganda. But now so many Chinese feel it, that no propaganda is needed."

Perhaps propaganda is not needed. But it is not as if Chinese have a choice. State-run media in China is an arm of the central propaganda department, and no paper dares to run material on US-China relations that is unapproved.

The Chinese "unofficial" position is constantly mixed with the view that America is constantly undermining China. An American college student in Beijing recently read a Chinese textbook stating that Martin Luther King Jr. never had the sympathy or help of white Americans, and that blacks in the south are hated by whites. "It wasn't even entirely true in the 1950s civil rights movement period," commented the student, who hails from Atlanta, Ga.

However, different positions are constantly being tailored and tested in elite circles in Beijing. Last week before Hu was to go to Washington, for example, a line went out that while the American war in Iraq was a disaster, it still showed that Americans really cared about democracy. If the war had been only about oil, as was thought in oil-hungry China last year, then the Americans would not still be sacrificing blood and treasure to bring about new politics in Baghdad.

Current popular anti-American sentiments are almost a complete reverse of feelings in the 1980s, scholars say, when US-China relations were warming. "We thought the US was our future," says one.

This friendly sense peaked after the Tiananmen massacre of June 4, when, in the words of one European diplomat, "The general sense of the Chinese people was that the US government was more a friend to them than their own government was." Chinese leaders were so concerned about this sentiment that an aggressive propaganda policy was pursued to reverse it.

Yet after the Asian monetary crisis; the US accidental bombing of the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade during the Kosovo war; after the downing of a US spy plane in 2001; the war in Iraq; and as the US has currently intensified relations with Japan - America is perceived in China as pursuing "a pattern of aggressive policies."

A recent public poll of Chinese in five cities found that Chinese who see the US as "a friendly country, a model of imitation and a cooperation partner," were 10.4 percent, 11.7 percent, and 25.6 percent respectively. Some 57 percent felt the US was "containing China," according to the poll, overseen by an American studies institute at the China Academy of Social Sciences in Beijing and the Global Times.

At the English Corner, some older Chinese argue that the pursuit of objective knowledge of America has given way by younger Chinese to the issue of whether America is treating China equally, as a great power.

The official teaching of America in schoolbook texts in China has evolved from the 1949 term "imperialist," to the current term, "hegemonic," adopted in the 1980s. Yet in a society with 395 million TV owners, with 93 million Chinese on the Internet, and as most urban Chinese usually know someone who has visited the US, the picture of America is highly diverse. "We all have our official view, and our unofficial view," states a Chinese scholar in Beijing.

Under President Hu, a new official view of the US is replacing what is seen as the more sentimental view of Jiang Zemin, Hu's predecessor. In the new view, China and the US may never be friends, but can be good partners.

The current issue of Foreign Affairs magazine contains an airing of this view, by Wang Jisi, head of the Central Party School: "The Chinese-US relationship remains beset by more profound differences than any other bilateral relationship between major powers in the world today. It is an extremely complex and highly paradoxical unity of opposites.... fundamental differences between their political systems and ideology have prevented the United States from viewing China as a peer," Mr. Wang writes.

"In terms of state-to-state affairs, China and the United States cannot hope to establish truly friendly relations. Yet the countries should be able to build friendly ties on nongovernmental and individual levels."

In the US, Hu will join other world leaders at the UN. He comes as Sino-US relations are being described as the most important in coming decades, but which are now strained enough to worry some in Beijing.

Hu's advisers here are saying that Hu is eager to affirm to Americans that China has no problem with a US presence in Asia, that the two nations can be cooperative not confronting, and that China is not a threat.

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315. "LA. Congressman Editorial: When Red Tape Trumped Common Sense"
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This is just ridiculous.

When Red Tape Trumped Common Sense
By BOBBY JINDAL
September 8, 2005; Page A19
THE WALL STREET JOURNAL

BATON ROUGE, La. -- Over the past few days, America has been both moved and disturbed by television footage of Hurricane Katrina's aftermath. But for those of us in Louisiana still struggling to cope, the troubling images are of opportunistic politicians playing the blame game while there is so much real work to do.

Rather than point fingers, we should be fixing the situation on the ground. And that will include taking steps to ensure that red tape doesn't stifle the continued security and rebuilding efforts.

There have already been a number of instances in which an overly inhibitive bureaucracy prevented an appropriate response to the disaster. For example, on Wednesday of last week a company called my office. With only three hours before rising waters would make the mission impossible, they were anxious to send a rescue helicopter for their stranded employees. They wanted to know who would give them a go-ahead.

We could not identify the agency with authority. We heard that FEMA was in charge, that the FAA was in charge, and that the military was in charge. I went in person to talk with a FEMA representative and still could not get a straight answer. Finally we told the company to avoid interfering with Coast Guard missions, but to proceed on its own. Sometimes, asking for forgiveness is better than asking for permission.

This is not the only story of red tape triumphing over common sense. After so many years of drills and exercises, we were still unprepared for Hurricane Katrina.

A mayor in my district tried to get supplies for his constituents, who were hit directly by the hurricane. He called for help and was put on hold for 45 minutes. Eventually, a bureaucrat promised to write a memo to his supervisor.

• Evacuees on a boat from St. Bernard Parish could not find anyone to give them permission to dock along the Mississippi River. Security forces at one port, they say, were prepared to turn them away.

• A sheriff in my district office reported being told that he would not get the resources his office needed to do its job unless he emailed a request. The parish was flooded and without electricity!

• Unbelievably, first responders were hindered by a lack of interoperable communications. Do you recall how New York police and fire departments on 9/11 could not talk with each other? Four years later, despite billions spent on homeland security, state, federal, and local officials in Louisiana had the same problem.


My office became so frustrated with the bureaucracy that we often turned to private companies. They responded more quickly and flexibly.

After our staff visited communities to assess local needs, Budweiser delivered truckloads of water and ice. Ford provided vehicles for search and rescue. Every company we contacted provided goods and services without compensation.

Though things are far from perfect, we have seen an improvement in the response effort as the military increased its presence and created a more unified chain of command. However, the problems that existed before still resonate.

That's why we need, in the future, a single, strong leader with the power to override the normal process restrictions and get things done. That individual must be identified from the very beginning. But below that person, others up and down the line need to know they can make obvious and sensible calls in an emergency.

Spending my days on the ground in Louisiana last week, I did not see much television. But I understand that some media let the violent and destructive acts of a few overshadow the many acts of compassion and heroism.

Contrary to the pictures you may have seen, the vast majority of New Orleanians did not take to the street with weapons -- far more risked their own safety to help neighbors and strangers.

When first responders said they needed more flat boats to pick people out of the water, they were overwhelmed by the line of volunteers. When people at a shelter in Baton Rouge announced they needed drinks, within hours they were flooded with more Gatorade than they could possibly use.

Churches throughout Louisiana opened their doors to take in evacuees. Individuals organized a network to open their homes to strangers, using phone trees and the Internet to link up those in need with those who care. Evacuation centers were inundated with volunteers and supplies.

Many rescue and relief workers, themselves victims of Katrina, have not left their posts for days. Health-care staffers have hand-ventilated patients. Law enforcement officials braved high waters and violence. People from all over the nation are contacting me, especially people in areas recently devastated by their own tragedies, to offer assistance.

The first responders, in combination with our military forces, saved 9,500-plus lives, assisted 102,800 people, and evacuated 22,000 refugees. More then 9.9 million Meals Ready to Eat and 6.6 million gallons of water were distributed. As I write this column, 1,200 buses are in transit taking refugees to shelters across the country.

In coming days, there will be many more such stories, both tragic and heroic. There will be stunning examples of depravity, in which lives were needlessly lost and permanently damaged. But there will be inspiring examples of individuals who sacrificed all so that others might live.

There will also be situations in the future when people will rely on massive government support and help. We'll have to do better delivering it.

As I struggle to explain to my three-year-old daughter why her prayers that the hurricane spare our hometown were unanswered, we as a nation must make sure that we learn from our initial mistakes and cut through the red tape to help people rebuild their homes, their hopes and their lives.

Mr. Jindal is a Republican congressman from Louisiana.


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316. "a picture gallery..."
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http://www.nola.com/hurricane/photos/

some of these pictures are incredible.



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317. "Michael Brown on Fox News: WOW (video)"
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this is incredible. HE said they'd make sure the snipers and looters were shot, but nevermind the people stranded in the conventtion center.

http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Paula-Zahn-Fema.wmv

  

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318. "Take a look at this:"
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from http://news.yahoo.com

A Look at the Katrina Refugee Situation

By The Associated Press
2 minutes ago

States with refugees from Hurricane Katrina, according to the Red Cross and state officials:

TEXAS: About 97,000 in shelters; more in hotels or other housing

ARKANSAS: About 70,000 in shelters, motels and private homes

LOUISIANA: 55,537 in 216 Red Cross shelters; 54,622 in 201 shelters

MISSISSIPPI: 18,343 in 117 shelters, more in motels, hotels and private homes

TENNESSEE: 15,500

ALABAMA: 2,494 in shelters; as many as 4,000 in hotels

MISSOURI: About 5,860 at hotels, churches and relatives' homes

OKLAHOMA: 2,352 in four shelters

VIRGINIA: 1,841

KENTUCKY: 1,650, several hundred sought assistance at a city center

GEORGIA: More than 1,500 in 17 Red Cross shelters.

ILLINOIS: About 1,200

NORTH CAROLINA: 1,167 in shelters, hotels and private homes

INDIANA: At least 1,150 evacuees

KANSAS: Fewer than 1,000 in churches, hotels and homes

SOUTH CAROLINA: At least 800 families in hotels, motels, private residences

OHIO: At least 873, plus 141 families

FLORIDA: 852 in nine emergency shelters

COLORADO: About 650 in shelters and with relatives and friends

MICHIGAN: 247 at Fort Custer Training Center; Red Cross are assisting 300 families

WISCONSIN: Nearly 400 at Milwaukee's State Fair Park; 210 with friends or family

UTAH: 443 at Camp Williams; up to 22 at hospitals.

MARYLAND: Between 300 and 550 people seeking Red Cross or local assistance

ARIZONA: About 335 in Phoenix shelter; about 80 in Tucson

WEST VIRGINIA: 315

MINNESOTA: More than 270, mostly with friends, families and in churches

DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA: About 215 at the D.C. Armory

PENNSYLVANIA: At least 200 in homes, shelters, other locations

MASSACHUSETTS: About 107 at Camp Edwards.

NEW MEXICO: 50 at the Albuquerque Convention Center

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319. "People mutilated/murdered at the Convention Center?"
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I saw a clip on CNN with a graphic photo of one person. Apparently there were many. Its beyond the imagination what people will do.

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321. "Keith Olbermann (MSNBC) GUILES the relief effort (LINK):"
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http://media.putfile.com/OlbermannSwings

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Olbermann spit that ETHER!

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322. "Death toll downplayed?"
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Just...be aware that the number of deaths that YOU get...MIGHT or MIGHT NOT be the truth.

Just...be mindful.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050909/ap_on_re_us/hurricane_katrina

Fewer Bodies Than Expected Found in Sweeps

By DON BABWIN, Associated Press Writer
1 hour, 17 minutes ago

Authorities said Friday that their first systematic sweep of the city found far fewer bodies than expected, suggesting that Hurricane Katrina's death toll may not be the catastrophic 10,000 feared.

"I think there's some encouragement in what we've found in the initial sweeps that some of the catastrophic deaths that some people predicted may not have occurred," said Terry Ebbert, New Orleans' homeland security chief.

Ebbert declined to give a new estimate of the dead.

Authorities shifted their attention to counting and removing the dead in a grid-by-grid search after spending days persuading and cajoling the living into leaving the shattered city because of the danger of fires and disease from the filthy, corpse-laden floodwaters.

The sweep was carried out by the Police Department, the Army's 82nd Airborne Division and the National Guard, and covered every part of the city reachable by land, boat or air, Ebbert said.

"Numbers so far are relatively minor as compared to the dire projections of 10,000," Ebbert said.

Mayor Ray Nagin had suggested over the weekend that the death toll could climb that high, and authorities ordered 25,000 body bags as they started gathering up the dead across a landscape awash in corpses.

Separately, Maj. Gen. Bill Caldwell, commanding general of 82nd Airborne Division, said the last of the bodies at the convention center would be taken out on Friday. Thousands took shelter there for days with little or no food or water, in what became an increasingly chaotic and violent situation, and several people were found dead.

In a small sign of progress, authorities said the New Orleans airport will reopen to commercial flights on Sept. 19. Caldwell said water and power are functioning at the airport.

Authorities continued trying to clear the city of holdouts, and also confiscated guns from homeowners. Police and soldiers feared deadly confrontations with jittery residents who have armed themselves against looters.

"Walking up and down these streets, you don't want to think about the stuff that you're going to have to do, if somebody pops out around a corner," said National Guardsman Chris Montgomery.

As many as 10,000 people were believed to be stubbornly staying put in the city, despite orders from the mayor earlier this week to leave or be removed by force. By midmorning, though, there were no reports of anyone being taken out forcibly, police said.

Police are "not going to do that until we absolutely have to. We really don't want to do that at all," Deputy Chief Warren Riley said.

Some residents who had previously refused to leave — whether because they wanted to protect their homes from looters, they did not want to leave their pets behind, or they simply feared the unknown — are now changing their minds and asking to be rescued, police said.

"They realize they're not going to this awful situation like the Superdome or the Convention Center," Riley said. "As days go by, it seems less and less likely that we'll have to force anyone."

He added: "I don't know of any incidents where people are being belligerent."

Some residents said they left under extreme pressure.

"They were all insisting that I had to leave my home," said Shelia Dalferes, who said she had 15 minutes to pack before she and her husband were evacuated. "The implication was there with their plastic handcuffs on their belt. Who wants to go out like that?"

Coast Guard Chief Petty Officer Jason Rule said his crew pulled 18 people from their homes Thursday. He said some of the holdouts did not want to leave unless they could take their pets.

"It's getting to the point where they're delirious," Rule said. "A couple of them don't know who they were. They think the water will go down in a few days."

On Thursday, in the city's well-to-do Lower Garden District, a neighborhood with many antebellum mansions, members of the Oklahoma National Guard seized weapons from the inhabitants of one home. Those who were armed were handcuffed and briefly detained before being let go.

"No one will be able to be armed. We are going to take all the weapons," Riley said.

The floodwaters are slowly receding, but the task of gathering rotting corpses and clearing debris is certain to take months.

At two collection sites, federal mortuary teams gathered information that might help identify the bodies, such as where they were found. Personal effects were also being logged.

At a temporary morgue set up in nearby St. Gabriel, where 67 bodies had been collected by Thursday, the remains were being photographed and forensic workers hoped to use dental X-rays, fingerprints and DNA to identify them.

Dr. Bryan Patucci, coroner of St. Bernard Parish, said it may be impossible to identify all the victims until authorities compile a final list of missing people.

Decaying corpses in the floodwaters could pose problems for engineers who are desperately trying to pump the city dry. While 37 of the 174 pumps in the New Orleans area were working and 17 portable pumps were in place Thursday, officials said the mammoth undertaking could be complicated by corpses getting clogged in the pumps.

"It's got a huge focus of our attention right now," said John Rickey of the Army Corps of Engineers. "Those remains are people's loved ones."

Some 400,000 homes in the city were still without power, with no immediate prospect of getting it back. And fires continued to be a problem. At least 11 blazes burned across the city Thursday. Three buildings were destroyed at historically black Dillard University.

Also Thursday, Congress rushed through an additional $51.8 billion for Katrina relief, and President Bush pledged to make it "easy and simple as possible" for uprooted storm victims to collect food stamps and other government benefits.

To counter criticism of the slow federal response to the disaster, Vice President Dick Cheney toured parts of the ravaged Gulf Coast, claiming significant progress but acknowledging immense obstacles remained to a full recovery.

Meanwhile, Democrats threatened to boycott the naming of a panel that Republican leaders are proposing to investigate the administration's readiness and response to the storm. Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid said it was like a baseball pitcher calling "his own balls and strikes."

Democrats have urged the appointment of an independent panel like the Sept. 11 commission.

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323. "FEMA Director removed from Katrina Relief Efforts"
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/09/AR2005090900795.html?sub=AR

Head of Federal Katrina Relief Effort Replaced
Death Toll May Not Be as High as Originally Feared

By William Branigin and Spencer S. Hsu
Washington Post Staff Writers
Friday, September 9, 2005; 3:30 PM



Federal and local authorities today launched a concerted operation to recover the bodies of people who perished in New Orleans from the effects of Hurricane Katrina, and the nation's homeland security chief announced the replacement of Michael D. Brown as the top federal official on the scene of the Gulf Coast relief effort.

Officials in New Orleans wrapped up a search for survivors and began the body-recovery operation amid indications that the death toll may not be as high as previously feared.

In Washington, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff announced that he has recalled Brown, the embattled director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, from his post as head of federal relief efforts on the ground in the Gulf Coast area and has replaced him with a senior Coast Guard officer.

He said Brown, who has come under heavy criticism for what is widely perceived as a slow and inadequate initial federal response to the disaster, will return to Washington and will remain as head of FEMA. Vice Adm. Thad W. Allen, the Coast Guard's chief of staff, will take over as the chief federal official in charge of Hurricane Katrina relief efforts, Chertoff said. He had named Allen to be Brown's deputy for the New Orleans area on Monday.

Brown said Chertoff told him of the change today at 10 a.m.

Chertoff explained the recall of Brown and his replacement by Allen as dictated by a move to "the next phase of operations" in the hurricane relief effort. He said the FEMA director needs to be in Washington to carry out broader responsibilities, including potentially managing "other kinds of disasters" and dealing with additional hurricanes. He suggested that the change would also meet the need for a "seamless interaction with military forces" in the relief effort.

"Mike Brown has done everything he possibly could to coordinate the federal response to this unprecedented challenge," Chertoff said. The FEMA director "has got a lot of other responsibilities," he said, adding, "We cannot afford to let our guard down. I want to make sure FEMA continues to be run the way it needs to be."

Chertoff refused to answer questions about Brown's possible resignation or reports that the FEMA director embellished his resume.

He said that in New Orleans, a process is underway to recover the bodies of the dead "with dignity." Other officials have said that means reporters will be kept away from the scenes where corpses are located and retrieved. "I want to respect the privacy of the victims' families," Chertoff said.

In a news briefing outside the New Orleans city hall, Terry Ebbert, the city's homeland security director, said New Orleans police and soldiers from the National Guard and the Army's 82nd Airborne Division have combed all neighborhoods and "have evacuated all those people who wanted to leave their residences." Having concluded "the search for living individuals," Ebbert said, "what we're starting today . . . is a recovery operation" to search street by street for those who died.

He said death toll figures eventually will be released by state officials, but that initial indications are that the toll will fall far short of the 10,000 dead that Mayor Ray Nagin said had been projected by a computer model.

"I think that there's some encouragement in what we've found in the initial sweeps that some of the catastrophic death that some people predicted may not in fact have occurred," Ebbert said. "I think that we have great hope" based on the numbers of people rescued and evacuated "that the numbers so far are relatively minor compared to the dire projections of 10,000."

In a speech at the State Department, President Bush today expressed thanks for the world's "outpouring of compassion and support" for victims of Hurricane Katrina-- a display of sympathy he likened to that following the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

The NATO alliance in Brussels prepared to use military ships and planes to speed up delivery of European aid to the relief effort.

"In this time of struggle, the American people need to know we're not struggling alone," Bush said. "I want to thank the world community for its prayers and for the offers of assistance that have come from all around the world." Bush spoke at a swearing-in ceremony for longtime aide and confidante Karen P. Hughes, who is assuming the job of undersecretary of state for public diplomacy.

Bush's comments came as the White House made preparations for a third presidential trip to the devastated Gulf Coast this weekend. Bush planned to fly to Mississippi and Louisiana Sunday after marking the fourth anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks, the White House said. He will make as yet unspecified stops to check on relief and recovery efforts, then return to Washington late Monday, the White House said.

In his speech, Bush stressed the enormity of the effort needed to recover from Katrina, which struck the Gulf Coast Aug. 29 with 140-mph winds and torrential rain. In addition to flattening structures on the Mississippi and Alabama coasts, the hurricane caused breaches in levees that protect low-lying New Orleans from adjacent Lake Pontchartrain, flooding some parts of the city up to rooftops.

"America is a strong and resilient nation," Bush said. "Our people have the spirit, the resources and the determination to overcome any challenge. And today this nation faces enormous challenges at home and abroad."

He praised a "substantial" outpouring of assistance, including contributions from some of the world's poorest countries.

Bush noted that Afghanistan has pledged $100,000 in aid, and Sri Lanka, an impoverished nation struggling to overcome the effects of last year's Asian tsunami, has sent a donation of $25,000. He also mentioned Canada's dispatch of ships laden with disaster supplies and planes to assist in the evacuation of survivors.

Israel and Italy have sent supplies such tents, mineral water, medical supplies, beds, blankets and inflatable rafts, Bush said. Kuwait has pledged $400 million in oil and $100 million in humanitarian aid, and Qatar and the United Arab Emirates have pledged $100 million each, Bush said.

"In all, more than 100 countries have stepped forward with offers of assistance, and additional pledges of support are coming in every day," he said, adding, "Four years ago, the American people saw a similar outpouring of sympathy and support when another tragedy struck our nation: the terrorist attacks of September 11th, 2001."

In New Orleans, soldiers and police went house to house to find residents still trying to hold out in the flood-damaged city and urge them to evacuate as ordered by the mayor. The soldiers and police were confiscating guns from residents and marking homes that contained bodies of hurricane victims.

But authorities said they were not forcibly removing people who refused to evacuate, despite the risk of disease from the filthy floodwaters-- filled with sewage, toxic pollutants and floating corpses -- that still inundate parts of the city.

Sherry Landry, the city attorney of New Orleans, told reporters, "At this time, force is not being used to evacuate" those who refuse to leave. However, checkpoints have been set up "to prevent the return of any person not specifically engaged in recovery efforts," she said.

"The city is now fully secured," Landry said, adding that 14,000 troops are now actively patrolling all areas of the city and running nightly air and ground reconnaissance missions to prevent further looting.

She said that if it becomes necessary for safety reasons, force will be used to evacuate people, but that "we're trying to make that a last resort."

The New Orleans police chief, P. Edwin Compass, said officers have made more than 200 arrests as of this morning, mostly on weapons, looting and other state charges. He said police have not arrested any residents for refusing to evacuate.

Ebbert, the city's homeland security director, said local police and soldiers will identify locations containing bodies of hurricane victims and keep those places under observation until recovery teams organized by FEMA arrive to remove the corpses.

"To the best of our ability, we have thoroughly searched this city and have dealt with those individuals who want to be evacuated, and now we're back in a recovery operation for remains," Ebbert said.

  

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324. "JUST IN: FEMA scraps debit card program"
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050909/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/katrina_debit_cards

FEMA to Halt Debit Cards, Use Bank Deposit

By HOPE YEN, Associated Press Writer
6 minutes ago

The federal government's relief agency said Friday it will discontinue its program to distribute debit cards worth up to $2,000 to hurricane victims, two days after hastily announcing the novel plan to provide quick relief.

The Federal Emergency Management Agency said it will scrap the program once officials finish distributing cards this weekend at shelters in Dallas, Houston and San Antonio, where many of the evacuees were moved. No cards will be issued to victims in other states.

Hurricane victims at other locations will have to apply for expedited aid through the agency's traditional route — filling out information on FEMA's Web site to receive direct bank deposits, FEMA spokeswoman Natalie Rule said.

"We tried it as an innovative way to get aid to evacuee populations in Texas. We decided it would be more expeditious with direct deposits," she said, citing the large staffing operation that would be required to replicate the Texas operation in other states.

Under fire for its initial response to the hurricane, FEMA Director Michael Brown had announced the debit card program as a way to quickly get up to $2,000 to the neediest families and empower them "to make their own decisions about what do they need to have to start rebuilding their lives."

He did not describe the program as applying only to Texas, which has accepted the largest number of evacuees and is the home state of President Bush.

From the outset, there was confusion about how to get the cards and who would be eligible.

On Thursday, thousands of people lined up at the Astrodome in Houston following reports that the first FEMA cards would be distributed that day. Red Cross cards were distributed, but those seeking the government cards were told they would have to return the next day.

On Friday, Ed Conley, a FEMA spokesman in Houston, said evacuees were receiving the cards at a rate of about 500 an hour, many of whom had filled out the proper documentation and applications through FEMA's Web site.

Applicants were being asked to provide Social Security numbers as well as the address of their damaged homes, for verification against aerial photographs of devastated areas.

A FEMA spokeswoman had said Friday there were enough cards to cover the families of the estimated 7,000 people registered at three shelters in the Astrodome complex.

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325. "what about all the people who don't have bank accounts??????"
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