https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lso4Sn2kGlo

What do you think of her points?

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Not to mention that she also hasn't seen the movie either, just the details of the casting call. :/

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what led you to seeing that video?

To answer your initial question, she's free to do what she wants with her time and money and I can understand why she'd feel a way about NWA's lyrics towards women, but some of her points totally missed me. There was one point when she called them murders. Come on son. But I can understand why she'd feel a way about the flick.

That part of the video where she appealed to non-black men that love black women made me look at her Youtube Channel and let's just say she is an interesting character, especially in light of some of her points in the video, but I suppose that's another post altogether.

>some of her
>points totally missed me. There was one point when she called
>them murders. Come on son. But I can understand why she'd feel
>a way about the flick.
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>That part of the video where she appealed to non-black men
>that love black women made me look at her Youtube Channel and
>let's just say she is an interesting character, especially in
>light of some of her points in the video, but I suppose that's
>another post altogether.

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>what led you to seeing that video?

It was shared to my FB feed.


>To answer your initial question, she's free to do what she
>wants with her time and money and I can understand why she'd
>feel a way about NWA's lyrics towards women, but some of her
>points totally missed me. There was one point when she called
>them murders. Come on son. But I can understand why she'd feel
>a way about the flick.


Yeah, I can feel that. If I remember correctly, she went on to talk about Suge Knight
as his "sociopathic" tendencies... which really can't be argued. I tend to think we
should ALL be boycotting anything that devalues us as a people, but folks are so
desensitized to it, at this point, that they just think I'm trippin.


>That part of the video where she appealed to non-black men
>that love black women made me look at her Youtube Channel and
>let's just say she is an interesting character, especially in
>light of some of her points in the video, but I suppose that's
>another post altogether.

Riiiiight. She literally calls herself "the girl who swirls", which is sort of a trend I
see with many Black women who date non-Black men. They do it exclusively
and feel they have to announce it at every turn. Despite that, I don't remember
having a problem with any of her points in the video about why this type of stuff
should be boycotted.

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"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

as the cause of society's ails

is that alladat was happening before hip-hop

was NWA the cause

naw

but she's not wrong

they did perpetuate alladat

but she's not calling out the causes/reasons for their success

the black consumer is a small contribution to huge successes in entertainment

I can appreciate what she's trying to do

but if she's gonna call bullshit, call out all of it.

she's mad about something that happened 30 years ago

have we made progress in black music over that 30 years?

she could turn on the radio/tv and boycott on the daily if she was really 'bout it 'bout it

$.02

as she said, 12Y.O. crusin' down the street in my 6 4

I'm going to go see it for nostalgia, relive a part of my childhood

has my consciousness changed over the last 30 years

of course

she'd be better aimed at current events.

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>but if she's gonna call bullshit, call out all of it.
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>she's mad about something that happened 30 years ago
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>have we made progress in black music over that 30 years?
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>she could turn on the radio/tv and boycott on the daily if she
>was really 'bout it 'bout it


That I agree with. I think we should be boycotting anything that contributes to the
devaluing of our lives.



>as she said, 12Y.O. crusin' down the street in my 6 4
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>I'm going to go see it for nostalgia, relive a part of my
>childhood



This is a very important point here. This stuff finds its way to us as children.
In large part, stuff like this is FOR children, as the main consumers of this form of
entertainment... so, not only does it make a valuable impression on us, but it becomes
our culture... something that we remember fondly. Oh how we cherish "bitches ain't shit".
I can't be the only one who sees something wrong with that.



>she'd be better aimed at current events.


Well, this movie is a current event lol... but yes, we should focus on all of it.

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I can only speak from my personal experience...

but I never joined a gang
never shot anybody
never sold drugs
never abused a woman
etc...

not to say I didn't do some dumbshit as a kid, as most will

"I can't be the only one who sees something wrong with that."

it's a false equivalency IMO

there are reasons that NWA was NWA

that should be the focus, the causes of gangs, violence, drugs, etc...

if NWA never happened, alladat still does

you follow?

children are very perceptive and impressionable

I'm going to guess the children that end up filling the roles of gangbanger, drug dealer, killer, etc...

were influenced to be that outside of rap music, IMO

"Well, this movie is a current event lol... but yes, we should focus on all of it."

it is, but I think you got my point

I, as an adult, am not going to see it because NWA is relevant to my current situation

it's pure nostalgia

IRT current events I was more referencing there being alternatives

my soul wept when she started running off names of conscious hip-hop groups from back in the day; PE, etc...

those choices are so few and far between nowadays

the issues she's trying to call out I think have actually been amplified in today's entertainment.

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>I can only speak from my personal experience...
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>but I never joined a gang
>never shot anybody
>never sold drugs
>never abused a woman
>etc...


Neither have I



>"I can't be the only one who sees something wrong with that."
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>it's a false equivalency IMO
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>there are reasons that NWA was NWA
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>that should be the focus, the causes of gangs, violence,
>drugs, etc...
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>if NWA never happened, alladat still does


This is true. We also have to ask if NWA was the way to fight it... or was PE?
Is it effective to approach this as gangstas who dgaf or intellectuals?
Do we glorify fighting the power and respecting ourselves, or do we insist that
we are niggas who don't give a fuck about 'bitches' who happen to be our sisters and mothers?
Chuck D once spoke on how PE was working on bringing Black folks into the
collective on a higher level... then here comes NWA on that "real nigga" shit.
We ain't got off it since.



>children are very perceptive and impressionable
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>I'm going to guess the children that end filling the roles of
>gangbanger, drug dealer, killer, etc...
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>were influenced to be that outside of rap music, IMO



Many times this is true. Many times it's an attempt to be like the 'cool' rapper.
Without this being 'cool' in our so-called culture, we wouldn't have to differentiate tho.




>"Well, this movie is a current event lol... but yes, we should
>focus on all of it."
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>it is, but I think you got my point


I get it, and I think there's more to it.

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"Many times this is true. Many times it's an attempt to be like the 'cool' rapper.
Without this being 'cool' in our so-called culture, we wouldn't have to differentiate tho."

w/o hip-hop

it's still cool to be the outlaw, gun slinger, etc...

violence is american culture.

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>w/o hip-hop
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>it's still cool to be the outlaw, gun slinger, etc...
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>violence is american culture.


And now we have the Black gangsta. We created our own identity, unique to us.
We just had a post about sagging on here... older cats talking about doing it right and wrong lol.
The "exists within american culture" angle is a cop-out that absolves us of any responsibility
to ourselves.

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the black gangsta existed before NWA too.

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I can agree to that.

But to act like they didn't help make the shit cool to youngsters is silly.

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"But to act like they didn't help make the shit cool to youngsters is silly"

which youngsters?

big homie on the block flossin' from illegal activity was already cool and already happening before NWA

she made it racial by aiming her speech to black men and women

the reason NWA was so successful was because white kids thought it was cool.

it's kind of naive to think a film company would invest $1 in producing a movie that relied solely on the black consumer.

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Believe that. Black kids with free to access pools and golf courses they had to cut across to get to school who had no business identifying with that lifestyle were now running around talking about how they were going to make it big selling drugs.

Boys telling girls they'll slap em shit. It's had a terrible impact on black people as a whole. Basically crack you can dance to.

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Everything looks like Oprah kissing Harvey Weinstein these days

How fucked-up was their upbringing that they had advantages but still decided to emulate "thugs" and "gangsta bitches" ?

These are questions for another post, honestly. I'm from the city, so I have no frame of reference for growing up in the suburbs and emulating something that I wasn't exposed to.

We have a core disagreement.
I'm not willing to absolve us of our responsibility to ourselves.

*shrugs*

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Everything looks like Oprah kissing Harvey Weinstein these days

If you MUST watch the movie, support your local black businesses and holla at your nearest bootlegger damn.

"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

i didn't click to watch the video

and just saw this post
thats where i'm at with it
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"If you wanna help us, fine. Sit down with your kids and make 'em study at night...otherwise, shoot THIS mothaf*cka!" (c) Morgan Freeman,

literally every black woman in my social
circle wants to see this movie

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The type of jawn that rolls with all white folks, grew up around all white folks, has NO blaccent, will look at black men like they ain't shit while making googly-eyes at some schlubby white dude but yet --despite all of this-- they feel like they are super down and connected to black culture.

some Black folks are complicit in white supremacy. It doesn't make it right.

http://www.beyondblackwhite.com/my-story-jumping-the-broom-with-a-white-boy/

I'm not asking about the other stuff she's said.

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you cant make a i love white men manifesto
and turn around and try to tell blk women
what they shouldnt support

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Either address them or you're talking about another topic.

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it reeks of "i just read things fall apart now let me try and kick knowledge"

more emotion that logic

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>it reeks of "i just read things fall apart now let me try and
>kick knowledge"
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>more emotion that logic
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What points in particular?
In what way?

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Despite that hyperbolic statement, what do you think of the point she was making?
As in, the fact that black women support this kind of thing despite it being blatantly
disrespectful to them?

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but i dont see the connection
especially when there are so many black women
who enjoy hardcore rap

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this level of cognitive dissonance is like super saiyan

Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

Building repetoires (c) spm since 1983

She thinks Suge Knight is part of NWA

I pretty much stopped after that.

Just like I wouldn't waste time listening to policy gripes from someone who says "Obama is just like Hitler", she's talking out of her ass too much to be taken seriously.

Vienna (I believe it was) is what many historians believed triggered his hatred for Jewish ppl due to the administration being comprised of Jews...



>She thinks Suge Knight is part of NWA
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>I pretty much stopped after that.
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>Just like I wouldn't waste time listening to policy gripes
>from someone who says "Obama is just like Hitler", she's
>talking out of her ass too much to be taken seriously.

grassrootsphilosopher

not "hitler wasn't no artist!"

you and others of giving any credence to her overall point...

>not "hitler wasn't no artist!"

grassrootsphilosopher

>Despite that hyperbolic statement, what do you think of the
>point she was making?
>As in, the fact that black women support this kind of thing
>despite it being blatantly
>disrespectful to them?

Or rather a large number of black women. Just pull up a video of any hip hop club in the 90s, 00s or present-day. It's not dudes that were dancing to all of that BS while saying "I just like the beat!"

Her points are opportunistic and most likely hypocritical. Shit, just go to twitter an see all of the "activists" that also listen to "ratchet" music.

Also, I just don't trust Black women that don't fuck with Black men, but still want to be racial activists of some sort. Deep down, I *know* they don't have our best interests at heart, and always have a negative outlook on anything Black men related.

"If you wanna help us, fine. Sit down with your kids and make 'em study at night...otherwise, shoot THIS mothaf*cka!" (c) Morgan Freeman,

you cant strike a person's blog about their life from evidence when talking about their character

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We as a collective community bave to be honest w/ourselves abt the type of HipHop music/artists we have chosen to glorify and understand how this glorification has played a part in creating a lot of the division between blk men and women today...and it is important to point out NWA's role in perpetuating a lot of these negative stereotypes abt blk women (and blk men, too) because they are w/o question thee most influential rap group ever...and their influence is still seen and felt today in HipHop

When it comes to critiquing our culture for the sake of improving it, no one should be beyond reproach.




>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lso4Sn2kGlo
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grassrootsphilosopher

she projected her personal issues throughout the video
there was nothing backing up what she said aside from
her own feelings

aside from all that
shes an outsider...i could tell from the 1st 30 seconds
she knows nothing about hip-hop or the culture or a group
like nwa even existed in the first place

she also said suge knight was a member of nwa
so...yea

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