puts on baby powder and smacks faces who been downing this girl over her debut)

First off her LABEL built her up and said she was outstanding. All I heard Alicia say was she just wanted to be heard.
Second Im not a fan of this album. I didnt buy it I heard it oncethru real quick but I can tell why she was signed.

So this is a case of label hype on a debut.


But let me ask you real quick


Wasnt David Bowie in a folk/pop rut before he realized his artistic potential with his concept albums? Wasnt David Bowie contrived in the intro?

Didnt Aerosmith have to kick things into gear before they could be the star rock band they were.




Was George Clintons debut memorable? His first single he cut? P-funk was a bad imitation of the temptations.

IM not done yet...

Did Prince at age 20 have everything together? Were his lyricism together? Was his disco fusion DA shit from day 1?

IM not done yet... slaps face with more baby powder)

Was Van Morrison first album was that some great songwriting when he made the break from THEM other than Brown Eyed Girl? Or was it some wallpaper commercial pop rock soul stuff to pay the debt off to the studio? AHH.... Well then tell me why is it after album 2 did Van Morrison take producer control and then all of a sudden he became magical? Ahhhh ...

IM STILL not done yet mf... (slaps harder with babypowder hand)

Was Sly Stones solo 50's doo wop parodies that great? Was Slys first album have any flaws? Was Sly imitating motown and Ray Charles in the early days? Werent the first 3 albums a definite need to make label some money.

IM Still not done yet (POOOW)

Didnt it take Marvin Gaye in his 30's to make his solo debut with other cowriters and producers? Wouldnt marvin be stuck in a rut if he came out solowise

Still not done...

Didnt Jeff Buckley wait til he was 29 to finally release a album "GRACE " when his father started at 18? And had already at least 7 by that age.



Didnt Bootsy Collins sound like James Brown on Philmore on his debut on America Eats its Young. Didnt Bootsy evolve into something way beyond anyone could ever guess with the mutron sound for the bass and the psychedelic funk arrangements?

NOT DONE yet...

Didnt Tori Amos sidestep herself making some lame pop contrived album with her hair and makeup all done up before she released "Little Earthquakes"


still more...


Didnt Isaac Hayes debut be a little rough before he released Hot Buttered Soul the following year? And Wasnt Hayes 30?

Didnt Terrence Trent Darby before he made a classic debut didnt he make some dancefloor fodder contrived project called "The Touch" to get his feet wet?

IM still not done


Didnt Michael Jackson have to get some time in the studio recording doing projects before he became a solo artist that wasnt contrived that was obviously a born solo star? Or did he just come out with Quincy Jones arrangements singin Billy Jean on a light up floor.

Didnt few of these artists have total control over their vision of their first project. Kate Bush and Prince come to mind.



What does this all mean. What Warren C and I and others are trying to tell you.

Contrived nature of somebodys music happens for a reason outside people start changing things or you start changing things or they throw your ass on the street. You really need to watch what you say about somebodys abilities because in most cases when somebody like Clive Davus


If anything we shouldnt blast Keys because I just touched a fraction of a cornerstone of amazing artists who did contrived debut projects some way older and some the same age as Keys.




Wait some more years before you even begin to judge this artist properly. That is what im saying

Because her album "Songs in A Minor" I gurantee you sounds nothin like her demos. This is a acceptance pop soul crossover acceptance album. Somethin you need to do if you are gonna roll with Clive.


Think about past artists and think about how what you hear on a album isnt always demonstrating somebodys abilities at their brightest.

LOOK at all the producers on Alicia Keys album

I rest my case...










dates n chitt:

Its the 2002 partial rundown

Gibraan:MockyngBird Slang Jan 2002

Jelly Jam-(Ty Tabor from Kings X project) Jan 2002

John Paul Jones-Thunder Thief:Jan 2002

Jaguar:Jan 2002

Raphael Saadiq:Instant Vintage Feb 2002

RZA-The World According to RZA Feb/March 2002

Meshell:Cookie

FOLEY-TIME:Clock of Da Universe (it comes out when it drops gonna stay in my sig til now. just check http://www.smartalecmusic.com for now.
One of the best original designed sites out. He is the CEO you know of Smart Alec Music. Bugs Bunny is the Vice Prez and Marvin The martian is in charge of A&R while Yosemite Sam handles the southwest division of Smart Alec. Daffy Duck and Foghorn Leghorn are leaders of the street team. Its a family thang.

TONEX-O2 (early 2002!
a comment from RhemaK a artist who works with Tonex about O2: I have heard five songs from Tonex's 'Oxygen'album that is going to be coming out next year. The lyrics and that beats are going to take you over the edge and out of your car seat. That is what it did to me. The proof is in the pudding. You will see 2002. 'Oxygen is no joke' "

as usual all hip hop albums subject to change.

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can't that be said for many, many, many artists...
everyone from Alicia Keys to The Product to Bell Biv Devoe to Sunshine Anderson (disclaimer - I do not like or own any of their work... just saying)??? Granted, she plays... none of the above do...
oh and for the record... Terence's masterpieces came after Hardline... my opinion :>P

"I'm like Aquaman and Brownhornet, Imhotep but don't flaunt it" - the mighty Black Thought

"We.. (puff, puff) gotta make some changes ya dig? (puff, puff) I mean... dayum... brothers gotta work it out (puff, puff)... What's this a Dutch? Damn you aint

BELL BIV DEVOE hahaha yea the remix lp or Hootie MACK was legendary ...the only reason people liked them in hip hop was New Edition Nostalgia and the fact Hank Shocklee And Eric Sadler hooked them up with some phat tracks. Ricky Bell could have made a classic R&B album though if he got the right producers.


Ricky was the stokley williams of BBD everyone knew he was the star of that group.





dates n chitt:

Its the 2002 partial rundown

Gibraan:MockyngBird Slang Jan 2002

Jelly Jam-(Ty Tabor from Kings X project) Jan 2002

John Paul Jones-Thunder Thief:Jan 2002

Jaguar:Jan 2002

Raphael Saadiq:Instant Vintage Feb 2002

RZA-The World According to RZA Feb/March 2002

Meshell:Cookie

FOLEY-TIME:Clock of Da Universe (it comes out when it drops gonna stay in my sig til now. just check http://www.smartalecmusic.com for now.
One of the best original designed sites out. He is the CEO you know of Smart Alec Music. Bugs Bunny is the Vice Prez and Marvin The martian is in charge of A&R while Yosemite Sam handles the southwest division of Smart Alec. Daffy Duck and Foghorn Leghorn are leaders of the street team. Its a family thang.

TONEX-O2 (early 2002!
a comment from RhemaK a artist who works with Tonex about O2: I have heard five songs from Tonex's 'Oxygen'album that is going to be coming out next year. The lyrics and that beats are going to take you over the edge and out of your car seat. That is what it did to me. The proof is in the pudding. You will see 2002. 'Oxygen is no joke' "

as usual all hip hop albums subject to change.

Au80: the Gold Standard in Hip Hop and R&B.
10-12 PM CST

http://kanm.tamu.edu

Foley-Time:Clock of Da Universe (it comes out when it dro

<Ricky was the stokley williams of BBD everyone knew he was the star of that group.>


CANNOT, AND i REPEAT... CANNOT STOP LAUGHING!!!!! HAHAHAHAA1!!!!!!
PLUS YOU SAID 'HOOTIE MACK'... DAMN I FORGOT!!! HAHAHAHHAA...

"I'm like Aquaman and Brownhornet, Imhotep but don't flaunt it" - the mighty Black Thought

"We.. (puff, puff) gotta make some changes ya dig? (puff, puff) I mean... dayum... brothers gotta work it out (puff, puff)... What's this a Dutch? Damn you aint

Bad album sis bad album. Y do folks keepamking excuses for her. 95% of the comments I've seen on OKP about this horrible album said"...the album is bad but I can see she is talented. Maybe she'll get it right next time around" or "...maybe she'll grow and learn how to right songs and understadn melody."

You are practcing selective reading. the album sucks, please stopmaking excuses. Comparing her debut to Prince's debut is useless simply because Prince's debut was not garbage.

Yes she was hyped beyond belief but that does not make the album suck any less. Damn it seems liek we've been saying this for over 6 months now.

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Frank: Many Christmases ago, I went to buy a doll for my son. I reached for the last one they had -- but so did another man. As I rained blows upon him, I realized there had to be another way.
Kramer: What happened to the doll?
Frank: It was destroyed. But out of that, a new holiday was born -- a Festivus for the rest of us!

In the spirit of Festivus, I will use this sorry board to occasionally air my own grievances. As Frank put it so eloquently in that immortal "Seinfeld" episode three Festivuses ago, "I got a lot of problems with you people! And now you're gonna hear about it!" I'll spare you folks the feats of strength.


"it is now the mission of myself and a million others to not just stop at downloading music. we will continue to download en masse, but we will physically steal cds if we have to. anything to make sure the record companies go out of business. burn and sell, give away free stuff in front of record stores. anything. they've pissed millions of americans off by spitting in their face. not only will i stop contributing any money i will make sure i steal it in different ways. down with corrupt businessmen." - some genius who goes by the name of mission


"Give it up Biggie is dead, Eminem is what you have" - Paraphrasing Sarah Jones in Surface Transit

***
"I think Brett Favre basically is a selfish guy, Brett Favre goes out there with his gray hair, his Wranglers and gets up when he gets hit. I understand why people like that. But there's another side. He's a selfish guy." - Teddy Atlas

No one has talked about her CAREER because all she has is one album now. So this post is really nonsense. What everyone has said is that teh album sucks. A point you acknowledged in your post.

So drag out all the artsist you like who had bad 1sta lbums adn it doesnt matter. All we are talking about i show this album sucks.


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Frank: Many Christmases ago, I went to buy a doll for my son. I reached for the last one they had -- but so did another man. As I rained blows upon him, I realized there had to be another way.
Kramer: What happened to the doll?
Frank: It was destroyed. But out of that, a new holiday was born -- a Festivus for the rest of us!

In the spirit of Festivus, I will use this sorry board to occasionally air my own grievances. As Frank put it so eloquently in that immortal "Seinfeld" episode three Festivuses ago, "I got a lot of problems with you people! And now you're gonna hear about it!" I'll spare you folks the feats of strength.


"it is now the mission of myself and a million others to not just stop at downloading music. we will continue to download en masse, but we will physically steal cds if we have to. anything to make sure the record companies go out of business. burn and sell, give away free stuff in front of record stores. anything. they've pissed millions of americans off by spitting in their face. not only will i stop contributing any money i will make sure i steal it in different ways. down with corrupt businessmen." - some genius who goes by the name of mission


"Give it up Biggie is dead, Eminem is what you have" - Paraphrasing Sarah Jones in Surface Transit

***
"I think Brett Favre basically is a selfish guy, Brett Favre goes out there with his gray hair, his Wranglers and gets up when he gets hit. I understand why people like that. But there's another side. He's a selfish guy." - Teddy Atlas

i agree with the post not because he is making excuses (which i don't think he is making excuses - when does jlj ever make excuses for artists? he just understands that not everything can be blamed on the artist). the album isn't bad. it's catchy. edgy, no. regardless of whether you like the album. it has some merit. i give more credit to her voice than anything. and i'll afford her some respect for that alone.

as far as prince's debut is concerned...that mf was panned and praised equally. seriously... you might have, i might have enjoyed...but tons of people blasted everything prince did initially and beyond his debut years for one reason or another. cheesy, sex-obsessed lyrics, so-called beatles wannabe (as if everything is attributed to the beatles). his capability at his age was the one thing that everyone agreed was impressive. i'm not trying to draw any comparisons with him and keys beyond this matter.

i think we all tend to forget that it takes time. and for the talent that i feel she has in her, i will await patiently.
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"Prince's debut is useless simply because Prince's debut was not garbage."

i thoroughly disagree with. i only "excepted" it because i heard his sophomore effort FIRST. but upon further investigation, it was CRAP. name one song on there besides Soft 'N Wet and Falling In Love that wasn't some drivel.

sure the album showcased his certifiable genius (written, arranged, produced, composed one man show) but for the most part, it was mediocre, at best.

take a listen to "Baby" one 'mo gin and tell me you aren't nauseated. hell, i can go for lyric for lyric in his early days and i don't care to remember one song off that joint other than then the ones i named.

as for Ms. Keys- blah. . .yeah, yeah- she can play the piano. . .but, er um, AND?

with regard to her skills, i'm from Missouri.





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it's 2002- just do the damn thing.

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Prince's debut wasnt a masterpiece by any stretch. But it did show me things to come/ The kid had something fresh and new. Ms. keys album is retread crap and i I hadnt seen her play live, I would never beleive she had any real talent whasoever. So in that vein her album is garbage and Prince's wasn't.

Again, Jef is going off on on eof his tangents because no one ever talked about her career in fact most went out of thei rway to say that she may have some talent but the album sure as hell doesnt showcase it.

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Frank: Many Christmases ago, I went to buy a doll for my son. I reached for the last one they had -- but so did another man. As I rained blows upon him, I realized there had to be another way.
Kramer: What happened to the doll?
Frank: It was destroyed. But out of that, a new holiday was born -- a Festivus for the rest of us!

In the spirit of Festivus, I will use this sorry board to occasionally air my own grievances. As Frank put it so eloquently in that immortal "Seinfeld" episode three Festivuses ago, "I got a lot of problems with you people! And now you're gonna hear about it!" I'll spare you folks the feats of strength.


"it is now the mission of myself and a million others to not just stop at downloading music. we will continue to download en masse, but we will physically steal cds if we have to. anything to make sure the record companies go out of business. burn and sell, give away free stuff in front of record stores. anything. they've pissed millions of americans off by spitting in their face. not only will i stop contributing any money i will make sure i steal it in different ways. down with corrupt businessmen." - some genius who goes by the name of mission


"Give it up Biggie is dead, Eminem is what you have" - Paraphrasing Sarah Jones in Surface Transit

***
"I think Brett Favre basically is a selfish guy, Brett Favre goes out there with his gray hair, his Wranglers and gets up when he gets hit. I understand why people like that. But there's another side. He's a selfish guy." - Teddy Atlas

im going to have to agree--i havent heard the whole album but what i *did* hear didnt sound bad at all to me---just cause something's a little catchy and accessible doesnt make it bad

think she'll be doing good things

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http://www.last.fm/music/Alluswe

So all these mofos making predictions about who will improve, who will fall off, what will be a classic, and what will be forgotten can be recorded and checked ten years from now.

I can think of worse albums with less effort than Alicia Keys BARNONE easily. We all CAN think of worse produced and constructed albums with messages and energy of a nonmotivating nature just filled with HATE.


"Sucks" is strong word in other words I could listen to this album. But I would have a hard time trying to listen to Dennis Wilson album I am sure because of the kind of person he was when he recorded it.


And yes industry producers,engineers matter like a mf. They can alter your shit in a heartbeat.

Artists will tell you this.


Alicia has a ability not just musical but to touch peoples hearts.

AND thats not easy to do.

and to disregard somebody as an ARTIST when the most important thing is she AFFECTED somebodys life. Somebody was listening to cancer or lost somebody listening to this album and shes speaking to THAT Soul.

To say its garbage Im gonna stand out and say YOU are so wrong simply because of those factors alone. I wont even mention past artists but what I am getting at is it is so easy to dismiss something if you dont like it.

But you know what I know SOO well that many people this helped them thru that time they were going thru.


Some artists can get to that level. Alicia is lucky in some ways and some ways she isnt. Her debut is 7 times platinum thats hard to be able to top those sales next time out.

So she is already in a high pressure stress zone to keep J records happy with the numbers.
Prince GRADUALLY grew into a superstar.

It didnt happen like "Wa hoo Im effin Prince give me my money MFs"


People can talk all they want how garbage and how it was pointless it is but honestly


try telling that to girl/boy fighting Cancer or Parkinsons Disease.


Music is a powerful tool to aid people in those times slightly.


I can gurantee you this that Alicia Keys is one of those artists to inspire thousands of artists and working and struggling people.

TO silence or dismiss an artist with that act is not only a crime its tragic that in todays times that many dont understand this "Disc of collected sounds" may not mean somethin to you but may mean the world to somebody in constant pain.



Thats why I can never dismiss somethings worth. Even though I may not like it Garbage is waste. And Id never say that literally about somebodys work because I know everything has a place and is destined to be made or it wouldnt be here.

And Alicia Keys did somethin special with her album btw.

And that thing thats special will be the impact felt years and years on a impression she gave to a young girl or young child.


Like it or not "Alicia Keys" is Clive Davis new Whitney Houston.

And my god Whitney inspired so many and touched so many lives that Alicia is headed in that direction. So I could never say Whitneys music life was garbage even though Im not technically a fan of her music although it has been somewhere in the fabric of my life part of my soundtrack and not by choice.

Alicia never may be a innovator or musical legend but when she reaches those gates in Heaven she can say "I made people happy and inspired their lives thru my ART I did my part"

AND that nesta is higher than any defined verbal term "Crap " Garbage" "MasterPiece" "Mediocre" I or anybody could think of


the fact she did something and shared with the world her work is something so undervalued today. You know why? Because we think automatically "Okay impress me" But alot of us can never see past that. Its not about that. Being Impressed is nice for me but its better for me if an artist on the scene impacts somebody in a positive motivational inspiring way. Alicia Keys is doing that and MAN whatever anyone says about her it doesnt matter. But when we see past that its something special to be able to Share and have somebody smile or feel good after hearing that.



To me even artists I dislike are special because I have seen first hand the power of music on people. We all have seen that to some degree.

There was a special on 60 minutes on Tori Amos and she said after every show women come and hug her and cry like crazy because Tori pressed record with just her naked emotional sorrowful voice "Me and a GUN" This song transformed rape victims and helped get them thru it time and time again. She said whats scary is little girls who just hear the song and 6 years later still come up and thank her.

Another example of music taken for granted.


So me not liking Alicia Keys album is besides the point. The point is I said wait 10 years to see the impact and motivation Alicia has helped kickstart into children and teenagers of today. If she doesnt make great music by peoples standards then at least she can say she helped shape somebodys dreams to chase and go after them.


THERE is a reason Alicia Keys is a superstar and if we strip down the promotion machine of Clive Davis its beyond that.
THIS is her mission and she knows that intuitively she knows what she is here for. She is doing well beyond her part. Puttin herself out in the open.... Its all taken for granted and thats the sad thing. Thats why Artists should always cherish what they do because you NEVER know who is gonna be affected by it and how it will change their lives.

Songs change lives contrary to what naive people may say.








dates n chitt:

Its the 2002 partial rundown

Gibraan:MockyngBird Slang Jan 2002

Jelly Jam-(Ty Tabor from Kings X project) Jan 2002

John Paul Jones-Thunder Thief:Jan 2002

Jaguar:Jan 2002

Raphael Saadiq:Instant Vintage Feb 2002

RZA-The World According to RZA Feb/March 2002

Meshell:Cookie

FOLEY-TIME:Clock of Da Universe (it comes out when it drops gonna stay in my sig til now. just check http://www.smartalecmusic.com for now.
One of the best original designed sites out. He is the CEO you know of Smart Alec Music. Bugs Bunny is the Vice Prez and Marvin The martian is in charge of A&R while Yosemite Sam handles the southwest division of Smart Alec. Daffy Duck and Foghorn Leghorn are leaders of the street team. Its a family thang.

TONEX-O2 (early 2002!
a comment from RhemaK a artist who works with Tonex about O2: I have heard five songs from Tonex's 'Oxygen'album that is going to be coming out next year. The lyrics and that beats are going to take you over the edge and out of your car seat. That is what it did to me. The proof is in the pudding. You will see 2002. 'Oxygen is no joke' "

as usual all hip hop albums subject to change.

Au80: the Gold Standard in Hip Hop and R&B.
10-12 PM CST

http://kanm.tamu.edu

Foley-Time:Clock of Da Universe (it comes out when it dro

Tat the album is bad. I'm not in the freakin forecasting business. I dont care how good u will be in ten years. If your album is garbage now I wont buy it. Thats all that matters. Th girl clearly has some sort of talent she has not shown it yet. and when you have young artists out there like badu, Apple, D'Ang Bilal (whose album I didnt think was all that great) who put out strong debut albums. All this talk about blaming the mixing and promotion seems completely silly to me, even if it is true/

Is the album good or not.

END OF STORY!

It's a garbage album.


**********************************

Frank: Many Christmases ago, I went to buy a doll for my son. I reached for the last one they had -- but so did another man. As I rained blows upon him, I realized there had to be another way.
Kramer: What happened to the doll?
Frank: It was destroyed. But out of that, a new holiday was born -- a Festivus for the rest of us!

In the spirit of Festivus, I will use this sorry board to occasionally air my own grievances. As Frank put it so eloquently in that immortal "Seinfeld" episode three Festivuses ago, "I got a lot of problems with you people! And now you're gonna hear about it!" I'll spare you folks the feats of strength.


"it is now the mission of myself and a million others to not just stop at downloading music. we will continue to download en masse, but we will physically steal cds if we have to. anything to make sure the record companies go out of business. burn and sell, give away free stuff in front of record stores. anything. they've pissed millions of americans off by spitting in their face. not only will i stop contributing any money i will make sure i steal it in different ways. down with corrupt businessmen." - some genius who goes by the name of mission


"Give it up Biggie is dead, Eminem is what you have" - Paraphrasing Sarah Jones in Surface Transit

***
"I think Brett Favre basically is a selfish guy, Brett Favre goes out there with his gray hair, his Wranglers and gets up when he gets hit. I understand why people like that. But there's another side. He's a selfish guy." - Teddy Atlas

I can say this---I had been waiting on Alicia Keys
to blow up since '96. That's when I first heard the
buzz on her, and I did hear some of her earlier work.
It was dope as hell, and it sounded very promising.
(The So So Def years.)

When I heard this album...it was very disappointing and
completely different than what I was expecting.

Perhaps her first works were not self-produced? To
that I am not sure. All I can say is with one album
under her belt, I'm not dismissing Alicia Keys' career
as a whole. I don't know what she's prepared to bring
to the table in the future. She *could* become one
of the greatest artists of all time. Everybody's got
the chance, though.

This album was disappointing, she is not making music to
her full potential, and I'll keep saying that until
she does.



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so give her a break. her album wasn't the greatest, but it certainly wasn't the worst. i'll take it over the new mary j. blige joint anyday. you gotta remember that alicia's just turning 20. she wrote some of these joints when she was about 18. will she ever be a songtress? probably not. but she is a talented musician and like it or not, she's making it very stylish for female artist to sit down and play their instruments instead of shaking her ass in videos. she's really in the mode of a patrice rushen and that ain't bad. you've yet to hear the best from her.

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what i'm digging right now:

chocolate butterfly - self-titled
laura jane - welcome to my planet boo
me & this japanese guy - waiting for the miracle
wade3 - dreams
tracey amos - who are we really?

>she ever be a songtress?
> probably not. but
>she is a talented musician

let's think about this a minute.

is she really?

i mean, i'm not saying that she's NOT, but i'm actually asking a question here... is Alicia really that much of a talented musician?

i've seen her competently play classical pieces and excerpts of hip-hop and R&B classics on the piano. but i've never really seen or heard her play anything that made me go "WHOA..."

i think our standards have fallen so low that we're ready to applaud anybody who even plays an instrument, regardless of the quality and invention (or lack thereof) of their performance.

really, tell me where you heard Alicia play that was some serious shit...


>and like it or not,
>she's making it very stylish
>for female artist to sit
>down and play their instruments
>instead of shaking her ass
>in videos. she's really in
>the mode of a patrice
>rushen and that ain't bad.
> you've yet to hear
>the best from her.

you can't compare her to Patrice Rushen except for her image. Patrice was PLAYING.






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While I agree... our standards have been lowered... Jeff is right... she IS a talented musician... now what she chooses to play with that talent is a different story all together... to me, she just seems like a drink... one part cutie, one part very needed musician of any caliber in this day and time (for reference notes... please see Wyclef), one part thugged out female ("Ayo! Love is Love!" ... so wack), one part mystical musical genius... please.

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"We.. (puff, puff) gotta make some changes ya dig? (puff, puff) I mean... dayum... brothers gotta work it out (puff, puff)... What's this a Dutch? Damn you aint

when have you really seen her play in an individual and expressive way, besides those mechanical Beethoven recitals and fragments from "real love" and "california love". and "someday we'll all be free," of course...


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true, true... can't front... I'm not impressed with her replaying CREAM from the WU... that is mad corny... almost as corny as when I saw Wyclef perform and he played guitar, along with the record, for Walk This Way... I was offended, violeted, and striaght up mad. I demanded my money back and other peoples money too.

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"We.. (puff, puff) gotta make some changes ya dig? (puff, puff) I mean... dayum... brothers gotta work it out (puff, puff)... What's this a Dutch? Damn you aint

i'm about to get slapped for this, but .... here goes anyways (since we arguin' about something as unprovable about whether or not someone is GOING to BECOME a good musician) ....

been to a roots concert .... over 30. seen some musical renditions of other peoples music ... that's what their WHOLE breakdown is about ....

now if they add a little personal pizzazz, more power to 'em ...

i've seen alicia live 3 times ... twice in a private setting, industry preview type thing, and once in a large arena ...

all her piano playing is NOT rote .... and god forbid she should play some little Mozart recital (welcome to the symphony ... cuz how often does THAT actually change the composition, or even the emphasis of which it's played) ...

y'all don't crucify the child just for the sake of it ...

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is playing, who else on the pop soul r&b charts is actually playing anything.....not that many...


musicians, singers, and entertainers are all artists, but they should not all be lumped together.

like Bob Marley said, "we all have Plaaaaaces.

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Mario Biondi The Sun
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>is playing, who else on the
>pop soul r&b charts is
>actually playing anything.....not that many...
>
>

why does it keep coming back to this?

look, i don't care if she is the LAST PERSON ON EARTH playing an instrument... if she is not playing anything i'm feeling, who gives a fuck??


>
>musicians, singers, and entertainers are all
>artists, but they should not
>all be lumped together.
>

whatever... either you deliver or you don't.

>like Bob Marley said, "we
>all have Plaaaaaces.






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>>she ever be a songtress?
>> probably not. but
>>she is a talented musician
>
>let's think about this a minute.
>
>is she really?
>
i'm not suggesting that alicia keys is the second coming of sly stone. all i'm saying is that she's still a kid and she has yet to find herself musically as both a singer or musician.
>
>i think our standards have fallen
>so low that we're ready
>to applaud anybody who even
>plays an instrument, regardless of
>the quality and invention (or
>lack thereof) of their performance.

i agree totally.
>
>really, tell me where you heard
>Alicia play that was some
>serious shit...
>
i haven't. but tell me when have you heard a 19-year old who IS playing some serious shit in these days and times. and don't give me that bullshit about ?uestlove's drumming. most of his early shit was VERY sophomoric. that's why people are so eager to lump him in the top-10 all-time greatest list now. because we've lowered our standards.

>>and like it or not,
>>she's making it very stylish
>>for female artist to sit
>>down and play their instruments
>>instead of shaking her ass
>>in videos. she's really in
>>the mode of a patrice
>>rushen and that ain't bad.
>> you've yet to hear
>>the best from her.
>
>you can't compare her to Patrice
>Rushen except for her image.
>Patrice was PLAYING.

i didn't compare alicia with patrice. i said she was IN THE MOLD of a patrice rushen. and remember that patrice didn't start making some serious noise in the music business until she was well into her LATE 20'S. alicia's just a kid. sure she's been hyped, but that's how the music business is today. i think you know that.

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chocolate butterfly - self-titled
laura jane - welcome to my planet boo
me & this japanese guy - waiting for the miracle
wade3 - dreams
tracey amos - who are we really?

i agree homeboy.

i think i was more fustrated at her debut cause i'd seen her pre j records when she was 17 and i saw real ass potential. so if she gets some seasoning i think she'll be straight.


it's just clive has a way of sucking the soul out cha.

whitney.
ray parker jr.
kenny g.

most artists who have touched arista have lost soul. that's why i'm baffled the headhunters were on that label.

anyways. i think she'll be cool.




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check the resume

organix-93
(from the ground up)-94
do you want more?!!???!-95
illadelph halflife-96
things fall apart-99
(the legendary)-99
the roots come alive-99
phrenology-2002
the tipping point-2004
(the roots present...) 2004
homegrown: the beginne

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i'm assuming that this post is in reaction to things that I, Nesta and some other people have said about Alicia.

i just want to say for the record: she very well MAY be big in 10 years. i never said that she sucked altogether. i never said that she was "contrived" or "talentless" or any of that stuff. i simply said that Songs in A Minor sucks. and i stand by that. i WILL be looking forward to her next album, though... i'm not rooting for her failure. i WANT to like her, but i'm not going to say the album was good when it wasn't.

comparing her to Prince is silly. For You was not a great album, but its problem (like Bilal's debut) was lack of focus. it gave us TOO MUCH, as opposed to Alicia's which gave TOO LITTLE. same thing with Sly's early productions.

Alicia's album has not shown me anything except that she is a fine, Mary J. Blige-influenced singer. her piano skills have not impressed me. her writing is non-existent. i'm not being given much to look forward to, but i will stay pray that she does better in the future.

but enough of this excuse-making.


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That was my point

No where did anyone say that she waas thru. We merely pointed out that it was a pretty boring, subpar album. And if I hear one more dumb mofo say "she's only 20" I'm gonna lose it. So fuckin' waht she's only 20. then dont put an album out until u r 30 and ready then.


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For You was not a great album, but its problem (like Bilal's debut)

I was going to say the same thing about Bilal in ten years people will get Bilal.






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Debuts have these types of quirks to them most of the time.





dates n chitt:

Its the 2002 partial rundown

Gibraan:MockyngBird Slang Jan 2002

Jelly Jam-(Ty Tabor from Kings X project) Jan 2002

John Paul Jones-Thunder Thief:Jan 2002

Jaguar:Jan 2002

Raphael Saadiq:Instant Vintage Feb 2002

RZA-The World According to RZA Feb/March 2002

Meshell:Cookie

FOLEY-TIME:Clock of Da Universe (it comes out when it drops gonna stay in my sig til now. just check http://www.smartalecmusic.com for now.
One of the best original designed sites out. He is the CEO you know of Smart Alec Music. Bugs Bunny is the Vice Prez and Marvin The martian is in charge of A&R while Yosemite Sam handles the southwest division of Smart Alec. Daffy Duck and Foghorn Leghorn are leaders of the street team. Its a family thang.

TONEX-O2 (early 2002!
a comment from RhemaK a artist who works with Tonex about O2: I have heard five songs from Tonex's 'Oxygen'album that is going to be coming out next year. The lyrics and that beats are going to take you over the edge and out of your car seat. That is what it did to me. The proof is in the pudding. You will see 2002. 'Oxygen is no joke' "

as usual all hip hop albums subject to change.

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yeah it did... and by the end with Sometimes and Queen of Sanity... you start to realize something... this cat is NICE.

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"We.. (puff, puff) gotta make some changes ya dig? (puff, puff) I mean... dayum... brothers gotta work it out (puff, puff)... What's this a Dutch? Damn you aint

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of the incompetent which build monuments to nothingness. And he/she that uses them seldom excel in anything at all... Excuses.

Face it, the album is average at best. And after all the hype, who wouldn't expect a stellar album. The girl isn't talentless though.


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The thing is, nobody is been disagreeing with what you say here. For the most part people are not disputing that she has potential, or making predictions about the future.

They (we) are simply saying that this particular album is weak. Nothing you say here changes that, and nothing she does in the future will change that.

I hope that ten years from now she has indeed fulfilled her potential...I don't think it is a foregone conclusion that she will, but it is possible, and i hope she comes through. But that wouldn't change the fact that ten years ago she made a weak album that got far more acclaim than it deserved.

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personally, i've never said that keys wasn't viable talent, i just thought that the way her shit was channeled thru to the world's ear was very shortsighted in goal achievement. and the hype that pre-cluded her debut kind of raised the bar a bit higher than she can/would be allowed to jump... that being said, i hope she doesn't rest on her paper thin laurels, you know, suspect grammy nods and the like. and, i hope it doesn't take 10 years for her to realize her potential. i want instant-gratification dopeness! lol..


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Though I hope she let herself focus on putting out more raw material, I for one, am not going to dismiss the power of a debut artist's pressures to succeed and please the masses and his/her record company. There have been a few that haven't had to play that game, but most will have to be concerned with this if they intend on making music as a career. So now, Alicia did this. I'm only hoping that each time around, with each album, she has more decision power that allows her to stretch her capabilities. She proved that she has talent. A genius? I haven't heard that yet. But there is a difference between being able to put down good music in the studio and in person. I feel that she has at least, taken her music to an improved level during live performances. She may have produced much of the album, but I don't think she is autonomous. Not from Clive Davis. I'm not really knocking him, just think that they are looking at it from different perspectives.

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WHo said she was garbage as an artist and sucks as a musician

wouldnt be able to hold down 2 nights at Radio City Music HALL and thats a fact call it a psychological observation.


I am not making excuses as far as her making a album and it not turning out right sometimes you dont know what the end result is gonna be.


And Afkap I disagree on the "too much" for Princes for you thats not what it was it was the fact he leaned so hard on disco fusion on his uptempo numbers people didnt take him seriously as he could have beeen.


listen theres a reason that album turned out that way and its not Alicias fault.

About waiting til shes 30 to release a alp AFKAP Im gonna ask you to stop being so naive. You know this was her chance and she succeeded on her debut maybe not winning you over.

But at the same time you probably like amateur artists who have just as many or more flaws as Alicia Keys.

As far as her talents on piano dont question that.


She could blow out the spot anyone who criticized her in this thread. Call that another observation


Its easy to watch a performance and be like "Oh shes not that good whats the big deal"





dates n chitt:

Its the 2002 partial rundown

Gibraan:MockyngBird Slang Jan 2002

Jelly Jam-(Ty Tabor from Kings X project) Jan 2002

John Paul Jones-Thunder Thief:Jan 2002

Jaguar:Jan 2002

Raphael Saadiq:Instant Vintage Feb 2002

RZA-The World According to RZA Feb/March 2002

Meshell:Cookie

FOLEY-TIME:Clock of Da Universe (it comes out when it drops gonna stay in my sig til now. just check http://www.smartalecmusic.com for now.
One of the best original designed sites out. He is the CEO you know of Smart Alec Music. Bugs Bunny is the Vice Prez and Marvin The martian is in charge of A&R while Yosemite Sam handles the southwest division of Smart Alec. Daffy Duck and Foghorn Leghorn are leaders of the street team. Its a family thang.

TONEX-O2 (early 2002!
a comment from RhemaK a artist who works with Tonex about O2: I have heard five songs from Tonex's 'Oxygen'album that is going to be coming out next year. The lyrics and that beats are going to take you over the edge and out of your car seat. That is what it did to me. The proof is in the pudding. You will see 2002. 'Oxygen is no joke' "

as usual all hip hop albums subject to change.

Au80: the Gold Standard in Hip Hop and R&B.
10-12 PM CST

http://kanm.tamu.edu

Foley-Time:Clock of Da Universe (it comes out when it dro

if i;m so obviously wrong to qustion that, tell me one time... one performance i can refer to where she EVER did a single spontaneous thing on the piano! show me!


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true... but my question then becomes do you play? Just curious...

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"We.. (puff, puff) gotta make some changes ya dig? (puff, puff) I mean... dayum... brothers gotta work it out (puff, puff)... What's this a Dutch? Damn you aint

i'm still growing. i'm competent on a few instruments, but not outstanding on any... but hey... i've only been playing for like 4 years.

why do you ask?


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She did impress me on her laid back nature at the piano and ability to capture soulful renditions of Troublleman and Killin me Softly when artists were brought up who she loved to demonstrate. And her ability to play sttide ragtime piano NOT easy but she could switch in seconds and be able to do it.

I thought I was watching "The Sting"






dates n chitt:

Its the 2002 partial rundown

Gibraan:MockyngBird Slang Jan 2002

Jelly Jam-(Ty Tabor from Kings X project) Jan 2002

John Paul Jones-Thunder Thief:Jan 2002

Jaguar:Jan 2002

Raphael Saadiq:Instant Vintage Feb 2002

RZA-The World According to RZA Feb/March 2002

Meshell:Cookie

FOLEY-TIME:Clock of Da Universe (it comes out when it drops gonna stay in my sig til now. just check http://www.smartalecmusic.com for now.
One of the best original designed sites out. He is the CEO you know of Smart Alec Music. Bugs Bunny is the Vice Prez and Marvin The martian is in charge of A&R while Yosemite Sam handles the southwest division of Smart Alec. Daffy Duck and Foghorn Leghorn are leaders of the street team. Its a family thang.

TONEX-O2 (early 2002!
a comment from RhemaK a artist who works with Tonex about O2: I have heard five songs from Tonex's 'Oxygen'album that is going to be coming out next year. The lyrics and that beats are going to take you over the edge and out of your car seat. That is what it did to me. The proof is in the pudding. You will see 2002. 'Oxygen is no joke' "

as usual all hip hop albums subject to change.

Au80: the Gold Standard in Hip Hop and R&B.
10-12 PM CST

http://kanm.tamu.edu

Foley-Time:Clock of Da Universe (it comes out when it dro

"I'm a provider, girl!" © Pharrell Williams

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http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2010/287/6/c/the_wire_lineup__huge_download_by_dennisculver-d30s7vl.jpg
The man who thinks at 50 the same way he did at 20 has wasted 30 years of his life - Muhammed Ali

Im not just talking about the music steps to progression.


Im talking about the inspiration she has caused so Afkap to say wait til shes 30 thats nonsense because Alicia inspired a gang of girls who needed that role model in life and when im talking 10 years also Im saying the impact she had on their lives.


So really thats what makes her debut worth something because an artist has to have a debut sometime. And Alicia was destined to make her debut "2001" because thats what was needed for those girls at that time.

So really what everybody says "she should have waited she should have etc"

Thats null and void because in 10 years you will see these children who listened be affected by her music in a good way at that time in the early 21st cetury.


dates n chitt:

Its the 2002 partial rundown

Gibraan:MockyngBird Slang Jan 2002

Jelly Jam-(Ty Tabor from Kings X project) Jan 2002

John Paul Jones-Thunder Thief:Jan 2002

Jaguar:Jan 2002

Raphael Saadiq:Instant Vintage Feb 2002

RZA-The World According to RZA Feb/March 2002

Meshell:Cookie

FOLEY-TIME:Clock of Da Universe (it comes out when it drops gonna stay in my sig til now. just check http://www.smartalecmusic.com for now.
One of the best original designed sites out. He is the CEO you know of Smart Alec Music. Bugs Bunny is the Vice Prez and Marvin The martian is in charge of A&R while Yosemite Sam handles the southwest division of Smart Alec. Daffy Duck and Foghorn Leghorn are leaders of the street team. Its a family thang.

TONEX-O2 (early 2002!
a comment from RhemaK a artist who works with Tonex about O2: I have heard five songs from Tonex's 'Oxygen'album that is going to be coming out next year. The lyrics and that beats are going to take you over the edge and out of your car seat. That is what it did to me. The proof is in the pudding. You will see 2002. 'Oxygen is no joke' "

as usual all hip hop albums subject to change.

Au80: the Gold Standard in Hip Hop and R&B.
10-12 PM CST

http://kanm.tamu.edu

Foley-Time:Clock of Da Universe (it comes out when it dro

i don't mean that she really should have waited till she was 30... geez, i love watching artists document their growth, so i'm glad that this album is out there. one day, i might look back on it and say "damn... she came all the way from here!"

i'm just saying that the album was not good. no amount of excuses is gonna change that. it's not as good as Jodeci's debut, as Mary J.'s debut, as...


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Singer Alicia Keys has added the horn section Chops to her band for her upcoming "Solo 2002" tour. Chops has worked with The Police, The Rolling Stones, James Brown, Public Enemy, Mutiny and were part of the in-house rhythm section for all of the recordings on the Sugarhill record label. Chops is led by former Parliament-Funkadelic sax man Darryl Dixon (sax solo on "Flashlight" and "Love is Something" ). Darryl says, "Alicia's band is tight and the show is off da hook, you gotta see her live. This sista is extremely talented".


now what other R&B young songstress would warrant a news bite regarding something pertaining to her musical performance maybe

"Janet jackson to use new dat machine for her vocals on upcoming tour" or

"Destiny's child to place their band 100 yds behind them while performing on tour"


like her or not, alicia is attempting to make moves in areas where not a lot of folks are.

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all this is just talk and talk and talk.

take it to the stage and let's see what you got.

so she added a horn section. she has that clout; it's good idea. but I'm surprised how much credence you people are willing to give to IDEAS as opposed to ACTION.



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ooh! a newsbite about an artist who has an admittedly massive PR machine behind her!

my darling Ana. Er'body got a PR machine. My point was that those pr machince's usually give us info that has more to do with portraying a particular image, than manifesting funk on stage. Most "pop" stars bands are hidden like the time playing behind vanity 6. The fact the Alicia is even rolling with a horn section gives her a little more credit in my book.

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that she's a "serious" musician... hence the horn section.

but i tell ya... all the horns in the world, all the strings and choirs ain't gonna make those terrible songs any better than they are.


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I guess it's just a matter of opinion, but "terrible" is just too strong a word.

They are far from being as immature lyrically as you said. That 3rd grader analogy you used was way off. You act like the girl is sounding tone deaf and illiterate on her stuff. And if that's what you're hearing I don't know what to say.

they are cute songs. they play well live. Fallin, Mr. Man, Trouble... those are decent songs. "Terrible" is just an inaccurate characterization. Not feeling it, or not your style is more like it...

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I told you before: it's not the lyrics that are my problem. you know by now that for the most part, I don't even worry too much about lyrics.

it is the SONGS themselves that drive me crazy! or the lack thereof, I should say… when she is not biting melodic ideas, she is just riffing with her voice, following a kind of groove but never really establishing the structure of the songs.

I think the songs are terrible. just plain doo-doo.



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mr. Af.....depth and cultured, yet shallow...lol...
it makes for entertaining banter...


I told you before: it's not
>the lyrics that are my
>problem. you know by now
>that for the most part,
>I don't even worry too
>much about lyrics.
>
>it is the SONGS themselves that
>drive me crazy! or the
>lack thereof, I should say…
>when she is not biting
>melodic ideas, she is just
>riffing with her voice, following
>a kind of groove but
>never really establishing the structure
>of the songs.


example please??

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but I've given examples in many rants in the past. the very fact that I can barely remember what any of the songs sound like after listening to the album x amount of times is indication enough to me, actually…

"rock wit you" is more groove than song… and a very intereting groove, either

"girlfriend" has as much melodic texture as anything written by L'il Mo. listen to it and "superwoman" back-to-back and tell me I'm lying…

that song where she rips off "natural woman" is enough reason for her to be pilloried

"fallin"… I know people like that song, but I think it's rather pedestrian… I'll let her have that one, though the drum programming on that track is horrid

I'll go back and listen to the album this weekend and pick it apart for you on Monday, just so it don't seem like I'm hating without cause




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we're on the same page, you ripped the songs that I don't like either. You're giving her a pass on Falling so I'll count that as you liking it. (Even though you call it pedestrian, while giving Beyonce props somewhat baffles me, but that's another argument)

Falling, Mr. Man, Trouble are nice songs. 3 aint bad...


ripping off Natural Woman, come on man...you're supposed to rip off classic materials. that's what makes music advance...

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but it's got to be done in a creative way… the way she did it was terrible, terrible!

listen… I probably hate every song on that album except one. the reason I mentioned the ones I did is because those are the ones I could remember the titles of. like I said, I'll go back and dissect this album piece-by-piece for you next week.

I don't like "fallin" at all.

I've defended Beyonce to you already, and you had no response to me then. if you had something to say, why did you not say it then.

I think you're caught up in image, Mr. Coolidge. it's so easy to hate on Beyonce because of her image and so easy to want to root for Alicia because of hers. sorry… I can't buy into that. I know how to use my grey matter and it tells me that Beyonce is an infinitely better songwriter than Alicia is. I don't think Alicia has a single song that is as engaging as "aplle pie a la mode" or "fancy" or "happy face"…



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