Produced by No ID

A lot of buzz on this one, surprised no post on the lesson yet, other forums are at a hundred pages already lol...

http://www.missinfo.tv/index.php/big-sean-no-id-freestylefeat-kendrick-lamar-jay-electronica/

http://sharebeast.com/cjlqiuefke07

No I.D. is incredible as usual. And Kendrick, well, best rapper alive.

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OL' DIRTY BASTARD on himself:
"I may curse, I may have a bad mouth, whatever whatever. I'm not that bad, yaknow'mean. Bad to y'all, I dunno how y'all... I don't give a fuck. Um, I'm a good person at heart, for real and shit.

>And Kendrick, well, best
>rapper alive.

Forever the dumbest shit in hip-hop

And it's not even close, to be honest.

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OL' DIRTY BASTARD on himself:
"I may curse, I may have a bad mouth, whatever whatever. I'm not that bad, yaknow'mean. Bad to y'all, I dunno how y'all... I don't give a fuck. Um, I'm a good person at heart, for real and shit.

>>And Kendrick, well, best
>>rapper alive.
>
>Forever the dumbest shit in hip-hop


Nope...right TODAY...the kid is the best....It can change...MC's can become inspired...yada yada yada...

But as of right now Kendrick is killing it all...

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

>Nope...right TODAY...the kid is the best....It can
>change...MC's can become inspired...yada yada yada...
>
>But as of right now Kendrick is killing it all...

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You know that assumption makes you dumb as fuck right?

And last time I checked, there are plenty of legends still alive who are better than Kendrick.

Dude did not say "best rapper today" he said "best rapper alive".

That would mean other than Big, Pac, Pun, L, Guru etc, Kendrick is the best to ever do it which is NOT the case.

it's a euphemism coined at least a decade ago, it doesn't suddenly mean Kendrick Lamar has eclipsed KRS-ONE.

Now that we're past that, who is the best rapper 'right today'(c)WC in your eyes?

Would you agree even if he ain't your guy that Kendrick has been building a pretty strong case since 2011 or so up thru now?

>it's a euphemism coined at least a decade ago, it doesn't
>suddenly mean Kendrick Lamar has eclipsed KRS-ONE.
>

The point of my response is that the euphemism is bullshit and doesn't make sense.

>Now that we're past that, who is the best rapper 'right
>today'(c)WC in your eyes.

Nas is sti easily a better rapper than Kendrick 'right today' and its not even close. Shall I name more?

>Would you agree even if he ain't your guy that Kendrick has
>been building a pretty strong case since 2011 or so up thru
>now?

I like Kendrick. This whole "best rapper alive" only means "hottest rapper in the game who has a song on the radio".

That's what I'm calling bullshit.

>>it's a euphemism coined at least a decade ago, it doesn't
>>suddenly mean Kendrick Lamar has eclipsed KRS-ONE.
>>
>
>The point of my response is that the euphemism is bullshit and
>doesn't make sense.
>
>>Now that we're past that, who is the best rapper 'right
>>today'(c)WC in your eyes.
>
>Nas is sti easily a better rapper than Kendrick 'right today'
>and its not even close. Shall I name more?
>
Nas is in a bit of a renaissance, he's an all-time great but nah, artistically he's not better than Kendrick right now to me.

So sure, name more if you like, I'll respectfully disagree on the first nomination & see if the next one sways me.

>>Would you agree even if he ain't your guy that Kendrick has
>>been building a pretty strong case since 2011 or so up thru
>>now?
>
>I like Kendrick. This whole "best rapper alive" only means
>"hottest rapper in the game who has a song on the radio".
>
>That's what I'm calling bullshit.

dawg we're too old to get mad over this bullshit & I don't think any of the three of us are listening to FM Clear Channel hip-hop.

The point was Kendrick has been coming into his own, put out probably the best album of last year & by his own bars here is pretty much challenging anyone to get on his level (while like a good kid who loves hip-hop giving a quick pass list of five established legends he grew up idolizing).

That's hip-hop. That ain't about a song on the radio.

Truth be told he hasn't really had any big radio hits. He's getting props because he actually pulled off a concept album as a young buck in 2012 & has been coming from all different angles on outside work with a degree of integrity & care for what he's doing as an artist.

I think his biggest actual 'radio hit' was the ASAP 'Fuckin Problem' song which isn't really even associated with him all that much.

>Nas is in a bit of a renaissance, he's an all-time great but
>nah, artistically he's not better than Kendrick right now to
>me.
>

So now that I've named a better "rapper" you want to change it to "artist"? Too bad Life Is Good is better than that overhyped album that people praise based on the fact it was meant to be a story.


>dawg we're too old to get mad over this bullshit & I don't
>think any of the three of us are listening to FM Clear Channel
>hip-hop.
>

And I think we're a little to old to consider any opinion different than yours to be a sign of someone being "mad" but to ahead and resort to that if you want.

>The point was Kendrick has been coming into his own, put out
>probably the best album of last year & by his own bars here is
>pretty much challenging anyone to get on his level (while like
>a good kid who loves hip-hop giving a quick pass list of five
>established legends he grew up idolizing).
>

That album is overrated and noticed I haven't said anything negative about Kendrick or this verse.


>Truth be told he hasn't really had any big radio hits. He's
>getting props because he actually pulled off a concept album
>as a young buck in 2012 & has been coming from all different
>angles on outside work with a degree of integrity & care for
>what he's doing as an artist.
>

Cool story bro

>
>>Nas is in a bit of a renaissance, he's an all-time great but
>>nah, artistically he's not better than Kendrick right now to
>>me.
>>
>
>So now that I've named a better "rapper" you want to change it
>to "artist"? Too bad Life Is Good is better than that
>overhyped album that people praise based on the fact it was
>meant to be a story.
>
What's the difference in this context?

And nah, Life Is Good is good but it ain't GKMC.
>
>>dawg we're too old to get mad over this bullshit & I don't
>>think any of the three of us are listening to FM Clear
>Channel
>>hip-hop.
>>
>
>And I think we're a little to old to consider any opinion
>different than yours to be a sign of someone being "mad" but
>to ahead and resort to that if you want.
>
more going in circles.

>>The point was Kendrick has been coming into his own, put out
>>probably the best album of last year & by his own bars here
>is
>>pretty much challenging anyone to get on his level (while
>like
>>a good kid who loves hip-hop giving a quick pass list of
>five
>>established legends he grew up idolizing).
>>
>
>That album is overrated and noticed I haven't said anything
>negative about Kendrick or this verse.
>
k
>
>>Truth be told he hasn't really had any big radio hits. He's
>>getting props because he actually pulled off a concept album
>>as a young buck in 2012 & has been coming from all different
>>angles on outside work with a degree of integrity & care for
>>what he's doing as an artist.
>>
>
>Cool story bro

True story ho

>And I think we're a little to old to consider any opinion
>different than yours to be a sign of someone being "mad" but
>to ahead and resort to that if you want.

Nas lost. Deal with it.

http://www.last.fm/user/_CondoM_/

Give me address and I'll fuck your pouch cracka.

http://www.last.fm/user/_CondoM_/

That's the fucking joke of the day.

>>Nas is in a bit of a renaissance, he's an all-time great but
>>nah, artistically he's not better than Kendrick right now to
>>me.

>So now that I've named a better "rapper" you want to change it
>to "artist"? Too bad Life Is Good is better than that
>overhyped album that people praise based on the fact it was
>meant to be a story.

I'm surprise to hear you slighting Kendrick, Anonymous. While I totally agree the "Best Rapper Alive" tag name is absurd (especially while Rakim walks this earth) I think its fair to say that Kendrick is taking this music to a level few others are venturing towards.

Nas proved he can still put out strong material, but Bombastic hit it on the head, Nas is like a renaissance artist. He's my favorite of all time, but at this point, you know what you're going to get from him. TO me the reason Kendrick is so refreshing, is that he's finally a young dude that is making fresh music but can actually rhyme. ANd I don't mean rhyme like "he's a dope MC," I mean he's digging deep and coming from a different angle.

I think that album is far from overrated, in fact, I think its somewhat of an anomaly, dare I say, masterpiece. Go back and really listen. There is vivid story telling from various points of view and characters, but more than that, there is actually the rarest thing which we seldom here in Hip-Hop being expressed throughout, and that is, vulnerability. He's talking about growing up and seeing things on the street, in his family etc. much like we've heard throughout rap history, but he talks from the eyes of a kid going to school etc. Its refreshing. I've heard all these young kids say so and so was the next new rapper etc. etc. and I always looked at them bafflingly. Kendrick is finally that dude doing something new and different, but at the same time carrying the flag of tradition int the best way.

>>Now that we're past that, who is the best rapper 'right
>>today'(c)WC in your eyes.
>
>Nas is sti easily a better rapper than Kendrick 'right today'
>and its not even close. Shall I name more?

Nas hasn't dropped any notable verses in some time. What are you basing that on, his "Maybach Curtains" verse?

When people say 'best rapper right now', they usually mean 'the rapper who has been rapping the best for the past year'. From August 2012 to August 2013, on a major label, that's Kendrick.

>Nas hasn't dropped any notable verses in some time.


And I love how everyone is acting like my initial reply wasn't in response to dude saying "best rapper ALIVE"

Which was basically just pointing out how cliche and incorrectly used that phrase is.

I'm 30 years old bruh. I'm not some youngin'. I know all about the great records that you do. I wasn't suggesting Kendrick's career is better than KRS', for example.

I was saying that right now, there is no body in rap music better than Kendrick Lamar. If you disagree, cool. It's an opinion not a fact.

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OL' DIRTY BASTARD on himself:
"I may curse, I may have a bad mouth, whatever whatever. I'm not that bad, yaknow'mean. Bad to y'all, I dunno how y'all... I don't give a fuck. Um, I'm a good person at heart, for real and shit.

The term was defined clearly in context of this convo and you still brought up Nas like he's been doing anything other than sending checks to Kelis recently. I gave him credit for the Maybach Curtains verse, if you've got some other sterling 2013 Nas verses to point out that I slept on, by all means, bring em out, bring em out (c) Big.
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I definitely think Nas' verse on "Hip Hop" with Scarface and the "Let Nas Down" remix are better than Kendrick's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AoJUwL2FGE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgcAPrmz4zg

Patrick

>The term was defined clearly in context of this convo and you
>still brought up Nas like he's been doing anything other than
>sending checks to Kelis recently. I gave him credit for the
>Maybach Curtains verse, if you've got some other sterling 2013
>Nas verses to point out that I slept on, by all means, bring
>em out, bring em out (c) Big.
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>http://www.newgoldenera.com
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>http://tinyurl.com/liberators2 - anarchy in two dimensions

Nas' verse on the Cole remix was too sleepy to f--k with the passion of K Dot's Control verse. There are also no standout lines in there at all, compare that to Kendrick's closing on Control about the rapper's drunk grandpa trying to fly a plane, that shit was nuts (big up to Nas listing Extra P as his mentor, though)

Nas' flow on Hip-Hop was awful and some of those metaphors were worse (licking on her Worldstar? blech). And the song's whole concept is a weaker retread of Com's Used To Love Her.

I knew you would nitpick about the date. I agree that Kendrick had more passion in his verse than Let Nas Down but that's only because that song didn't call for passion. Although very different songs with very different goals I still say Nas' bars are better and I think there a lot of stand out lines, the whole beginning for instance:

"I ain't mad at ya young king,
this unsung song is haunting,
along comes a one son called the offspring,
the earth spins,
my old earth grin,
sung a church hymn,
she birthed in September,
took my first wind, again,
the earth spins"

The poetry there trumps anything in K-dot's verse. I thought the grandpa thing was kind of corny. Not saying Kendrick's verse wasn't nice, he just ain't seeing Nas.

Other great parts/lines of that song in my opinion are:

"We was trying to be the Queensbridge Cosby's,
but the street life robbed me of that,
so I had to put it in raps,
and who could I ask for help,
older ni**as was gettin mad,
but that's the gift and the curse,
that's the good and the bad"

"..that's some advice I never got,
If I don't sell another record I just steady rock,
while you was writing down my rhymes I was just trying to show you that if you say what's in your mind,
you can stand the test of time"

That whole song is dope, the only track this year that I listened to like 5 or 6 times in a row when first hearing it. Hopefully Kendrick will get me to do the same when he's 20 years deep in the game.

Patrick


>Nas' verse on the Cole remix was too sleepy to f--k with the
>passion of K Dot's Control verse. There are also no standout
>lines in there at all, compare that to Kendrick's closing on
>Control about the rapper's drunk grandpa trying to fly a
>plane, that shit was nuts (big up to Nas listing Extra P as
>his mentor, though)
>
>Nas' flow on Hip-Hop was awful and some of those metaphors
>were worse (licking on her Worldstar? blech). And the song's
>whole concept is a weaker retread of Com's Used To Love Her.

And McCurty did say at this moment, read the post right under your emotional ass dismissive reply

Thing is, when folks throw around that tired ass "only in the lesson" they talkin bout posters like you

Sure Rakim IS STILL ALIVE and from 2010-13 he has not written one verse better than Kendricks ten best; does that me we all collectively forget and no longer love/appreciate Ra's past achievements!?!! No! It means we like reality and the others who enjoy honest social and cultural space

>And McCurty did say at this moment, read the post right under
>your emotional ass dismissive reply
>

Not dismissive at all. The statement is as bullshit as MTVs hottest rappers in the game being past off as the best rappers in the game. Only reason people are catching feeling is because I replied with my statement in regards to their favorite current rapper Kendrick. If he said that about Big Sean and I made the same statement you wouldve shut the fuck up like you should've.

>Thing is, when folks throw around that tired ass "only in the
>lesson" they talkin bout posters like you
>

Nah. But good try.

>Sure Rakim IS STILL ALIVE and from 2010-13 he has not written
>one verse better than Kendricks ten best; does that me we all
>collectively forget and no longer love/appreciate Ra's past
>achievements!?!! No! It means we like reality and the others
>who enjoy honest social and cultural space

I can list 25+ Nas verses in that time frame better than anything Kendrick has spit.

And again, I like Kendrick.

>
>I can list 25+ Nas verses in that time frame better than
>anything Kendrick has spit.
>
>And again, I like Kendrick.

might as well type 'em out too, so we can pretend that rap is lyrics on a page rather than a unique musical artform/sport in which the great MC's engage.

can we also disregard the inherent musicality & melodic ability that Kendrick uses to create mood compared to Nas' tone-deaf attempts that have detracted from just about any song he's implemented it on?

well, besides 'Doo Rags', where his off-key sing-songey style sorta fits the childlike wonder he lays out in the verses. I'm sure there's a couple others somewhere over the past couple decades but uh, yeah.

Do we think it's an accident that Nas' two best albums of the past ten years or more came because he finally is secure enough & had the good sense to let others do the heavy lifting for him in terms of songcraft so that he can focus on what he does best (spit) like in the early part of his career?

I certainly don't.

>might as well type 'em out too, so we can pretend that rap is
>lyrics on a page rather than a unique musical artform/sport in
>which the great MC's engage.
>

So let me get this straight. YOU made a statement of how Rakim doesn't have a verse better than the 10 best Kendrick verses and then when that statement is met with an artist who does in fact have many verses better, you backtrack on the concept of your initial statement? That's how we're playing? Ok. Take your ball and go home.

I guess your mad has you so infuriated you forgot who you were responding to.

I brought up Ra cause you're so focused on the "best ALIVE rapper" part, being that one of our legends can hold it right now, YOU brought up Nas. Me and Bomb still waiting for you to post THOSE TWENTY FIVE VERSES better than Kendricks best. And the other 4-10 rappers or albums better than Kendricks/GKMC in the last 2yrs.

Let your mad die down before you post tho

>
>>might as well type 'em out too, so we can pretend that rap
>is
>>lyrics on a page rather than a unique musical artform/sport
>in
>>which the great MC's engage.
>>
>
>So let me get this straight.
I'm trying to let you, you just can't seem to do it. YOU made a statement of how
>Rakim doesn't have a verse better than the 10 best Kendrick
>verses and then when that statement is met with an artist who
>does in fact have many verses better, you backtrack on the
>concept of your initial statement? That's how we're playing?
>Ok. Take your ball and go home.
>

Either way my point remains.

I don't need to list any verses. Nas is a flat out better MC and I can't believe we are even having this discussion like he's not.

Bottom line, I felt like splitting hairs. Period.

You want to say Kendrick is the best new jack...cool.

But the fact that people took my splitting hairs and turned it into this disaster of a thread shows who's really emotional over this shit.

Calm down my man.

You and everyone else feels like licking sweat from Kendrick's balls.

It's all good.

>Either way my point remains.
>
lol, how so?

nothing you said in that rant was germane to my post so apology accepted.

>I don't need to list any verses. Nas is a flat out better MC
>and I can't believe we are even having this discussion like
>he's not.
>

uh, you said Nas had 25 verses in the past two (or maybe it was three) years better than every verse Kendrick ever made.

That's what I was asking to see cited, along with mentioning a few other tangential things you might not wanted to discuss.

>Bottom line, I felt like splitting hairs. Period.
>
>You want to say Kendrick is the best new jack...cool.
>
>But the fact that people took my splitting hairs and turned it
>into this disaster of a thread shows who's really emotional
>over this shit.
>
>Calm down my man.
>
>You and everyone else feels like licking sweat from Kendrick's
>balls.
>
>It's all good.

nah dude, it's too late to try to hit me with the 'u mad'/'you're a dickrider' reversal attempt.

If you got nothing to say when you press 'reply' underneath my shit, do yourself a favor next time: treat your post count like it's your blood pressure.

Don't bother raising it 'round me to type some foolishness, because as your Surgeon General I am obligated to warn you that it may be hazardous to your health.

Thank you for your consideration,

Dr. Bombay (OKP/OSG)

Musical discussion begin:

There are 3 reasons why this verse is getting attention and Kendrick isn't the first to use these methods or benefit from these methods.

1 The verse is 2+ minutes

2 He claims he's the king of something

3 He names names

Those three things are resulting in this reaction. Always have and always will. The verse itself is decent at best and has some questionable lines.

Love his energy.

Hate his voice.

Love his confidence.

Hate parts of his delivery.

Not to mention Big Sean throws a subliminal at himself and Kendrick in the very song they're on.

The lines about running to get the hottest rapper which is what Big Sean can be found guilty of by getting Kendrick and then he mentions how people "name drop" which is what Kendrick does.

I actually don't have an issue with the NY line because he's claiming he's a lot of things he actually isn't alongside that line and it really is just a confident line and that's what hip-hop is. At the same time he does name Jay and Nas as two MCs that can fuck with him so its somewhat voids the claim. And at the end of the day Jay AND Nas run NY period and always will.

The names he named aren't even really good MCs to be honest. I know he says "anyone" but lookin at who he actually called out, they're only the hot MCs right now so that's not a very good bragging point to claim you're better than them.

And lastly, it never fail for an MC to get on a song and spit a long verse and get the "one of the greatest ever" reactions. Cappa may be the first that did this and then of course Canibus was infamous for doing this. And that's not to say those verses aren't great but a long verse doesn't automatically make the verse one of the best ever. People who have no basis to evaluate the quality of hip-hop and lyrics use that ignorant method.

Honestly, the verse is cool. Nothing to the level the crazy people in this post are making it out to be and I am fully confident that if Jay Elec knew what was on the table he would've smashed that shit for real.

As far as the Nas comments, no one is better when the dude is on. And to act like be hasn't been on the past few years is just not true. Starting from that Victory verse the guy has been on a tear.

He killed Distant Relatives
He killed these guest spots that he popped up on
He killed tracks like Nasty, The Don, Loco-Motive
He killed tracks that are not that good like Reach Out and the third verse of Worlds An Addiction
He killed Stay
2nd verse on Where's The Love is absurd
Let Nas Down remix is dope
The Black Bond is only shit Nas will and can do

I'm not going to write these verses down but the point is, Nas at his best is simply better than everyone else and he has been killing everything recently.

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>damn son
>
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But he would never be an MC that I would be cautious in battling.

That list he spit out is really evident of how sad rap as become.

And then we have people in here talking like "Kendrick is the best". We have a whole separate post asking "who can fuck with Kendrick".

As if he would want any parts of someone like Black Thought.

And then when you mention a real MC they side step it by sayin "yea but he isn't relevant" based on the fact they don't play his song 5 times and hour on Hot Bullshit Whatever the Station is in your City.

This whole game is ridiculous. And I'm sure people will reply to me saying "you're mad" but that only further proves how ignorant this music discussion has gotten.