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"Me'Shelle N'degeocello is the Jimi Hendrix of our Generation"
Thu May-01-08 01:42 AM by imcvspl

  

          

Yup. I said it.
Think about it hard.
Think about it real hard.

No I'm not saying she is to the bass what he was to the guitar. But as far as what she represents artistically and the music that comes from that.

Ain't nothing wrong with black folk making music.

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then i want out of our generation, point me to the exit
May 01st 2008
1
^^ exhibit a ^^
May 01st 2008
2
      i have nothing against her, i have seen her live and listened ...
May 01st 2008
3
           odds you would have been a fan of hendrix during his time?
May 01st 2008
4
                You'd have to bet a million bucks to win a dollar
May 01st 2008
5
these are two of my favorites...
May 01st 2008
6
why would you say some shit like that in HERE?
May 01st 2008
7
no it's not gonna be a mess
May 01st 2008
10
hmmm.
May 01st 2008
8
i knew you would get it... and i knew others would hate
May 01st 2008
16
she likes white girls too?
May 01st 2008
9
^^^^^ underrated reply n/m
May 01st 2008
49
She's Me'shell N'degeocello. That's it.
May 01st 2008
11
*is* that it?
May 01st 2008
12
      she never realized her potential, IMO....
May 01st 2008
13
      bullshit... pop stardom got tired of chasing her
May 01st 2008
19
      let us not be naive...
May 01st 2008
25
      post-cookie, though?
May 01st 2008
26
      by starting the album "you sell your soul like you sell a piece of ass!!...
May 01st 2008
28
      that album's a mess stylistically
May 01st 2008
30
      post-cookie is her playing her "artiste" card....
May 01st 2008
29
           remember the album before cookie?
May 01st 2008
32
           an attempt to woo the Lilith Fair crowd....
May 01st 2008
39
                ^^^borderline hate^^^
May 01st 2008
56
                     how am I hating on a record I loved?
May 01st 2008
59
                          by implying her motives were insincere n/m
May 01st 2008
65
                               I never implied that....
May 02nd 2008
77
           really?
May 01st 2008
35
           he's just trying to help me prove my point, its all good!!!
May 01st 2008
37
           really.
May 01st 2008
40
           bang on.
May 01st 2008
51
                have you heard her latest?
May 01st 2008
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                     nope.
May 01st 2008
55
      when exactly are you talking about?
May 01st 2008
27
           you must understand.....
May 01st 2008
31
                the paradigm shifted during her FIRST album
May 01st 2008
33
                     cant blame this on her sexuality....
May 01st 2008
43
      I agree with u
May 02nd 2008
72
      she *has* realized her potential.
May 01st 2008
23
      but keep in mind, Last.FM is a pretty specific crowd
May 02nd 2008
71
           Good point... n/m
May 02nd 2008
74
Jimi Hendrix was popular and made good music didn't he?
May 01st 2008
14
Hendrix was most popular between his first and second efforst
May 01st 2008
17
Huh?
May 01st 2008
15
in that only when she's dead will she truly be appreciated
May 01st 2008
18
that may be where she has it more difficult
May 01st 2008
21
funny thing is Michelle has a very black fanbase
May 01st 2008
20
this is true... but the parallel still fits and i think you know why n/m
May 01st 2008
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      oh yeah i know exactly
May 01st 2008
24
Unfortunately.. I competely disagree...
May 01st 2008
34
the big difference here is she hasn't made an album for her instrument
May 01st 2008
44
      I disagree... Mechelle has made all kinds of music however
May 01st 2008
48
           this right here captures it
May 01st 2008
50
Come on man are you serious?
May 01st 2008
36
it's not about the fame. n/m
May 01st 2008
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RE: it's not about the fame. n/m
May 01st 2008
42
^^^revisionist^^^
May 01st 2008
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      RE: ^^^revisionist^^^
May 01st 2008
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      but if you really think of it from that angle... that would apply to
May 01st 2008
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      whether they saw it or not that was why they went
May 01st 2008
60
      only thing revisionist is your bullshit, Electric Ladyland charted at #1
May 01st 2008
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           i was going by the singles
May 01st 2008
66
                fair enough but that's getting into an era where albums were becoming
May 01st 2008
68
you can't compare anyone to Jimi
May 01st 2008
45
this generation's Captain Beefheart
May 01st 2008
47
^^^ wow.
May 01st 2008
52
leave it to lonesome_d... LMAO
May 01st 2008
54
Please.. .that's Stereolab if there ever was anyone...
May 01st 2008
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RE: Me'Shelle N'degeocello is the Jimi Hendrix of our Generation
May 01st 2008
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^^^On The Short List For Worst Post Of The Day
May 01st 2008
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nah...
May 01st 2008
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      RE: nah...
May 01st 2008
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      inebriated music?
May 01st 2008
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      They don't get it lol
May 02nd 2008
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           nah, you don't get it
May 02nd 2008
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This may be the one time one of these crazy comaprison posts
May 02nd 2008
70
My work here is done n/m
May 02nd 2008
73
hmmm.
May 02nd 2008
75
where's her Purple Haze? where's her Band of Gypsy phase?
May 02nd 2008
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jimi's nowhere near her talent.
May 02nd 2008
79
Hendrix made ''music-school'' funk?
May 02nd 2008
80
RE: #76: They don't get it lol&gt;
May 02nd 2008
82
so the post was trying to say they're both dedicated to their art?
May 02nd 2008
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      RE: so the post was trying to say they're both dedicated to their art?
May 02nd 2008
84
           fair enough, the post title & poster seemed to aim for more at times
May 02nd 2008
85

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1. "then i want out of our generation, point me to the exit"
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nm

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2. "^^ exhibit a ^^"
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3. "i have nothing against her, i have seen her live and listened ..."
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but if hers is the best organic music we have to offer, we're in trouble. hendrix was a truly singular musician, i don't see anyone in any generation as a solid parallel but this one is particularly weak, especially with the reasoning being "think about it."

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4. "odds you would have been a fan of hendrix during his time?"
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be honest.
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5. "You'd have to bet a million bucks to win a dollar"
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And in case you missed it, I am a fan of hers during her time, too, just not THAT damn big of a fan.

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6. "these are two of my favorites..."
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I've said something 'kinda' like this before as well...

in my opinion, where Meshell is right in line with Jimi is in her seemingly fearless approach to creating the music, and in her preference to try to have herself & band 'play as loose & naked as possible 'with no net' when they play live. And in her obvious respect and passion for the craft of creation. She and Jimi share that as well, you can hear that in the music.

as you said, you're obviously not saying 'she is to the bass what Jimi was to the guitar', and i agree... Jimi is to the guitar as...as...i mean what can you say?

But yes, if you are saying that Meshell and Jimi share the fearless approach, the passion. devotion to creating their music...then yup i'm with ya...

i know people get touchy when anyone mentions any modern artist in the same sentence as obvious legends.. but i don't have any problem with it when what you are comparing is clear...

Meshells approach and attitude towards creating DOES seem similar to Jimis approach. And there are elements of what she does and how she does it that also make me think of Marvin & Miles & Nina Simone & Ray Charles too. Again, i'm NOT talking vocally, or about her bass playing vs Miles horn playing, or as a hit maker...i'm mainly talking about her 'approach' & attitude to crafting & creating her work. She IS similar to those folk in that regard, i have no problem saying that...



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7. "why would you say some shit like that in HERE?"
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i'm a Me'shell fan, but good lord this is going to be a mess.

  

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10. "no it's not gonna be a mess"
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because really, nobody really cares that much

the statement is hogwash, though

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8. "hmmm."
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I think I can almost agree with this.

But when I first read the post... I thought, no, she's not the "Jimi", she's the Sly, or the Prince, or the...

but none of those comparisons really bear out.

I think this one sort of does.

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16. "i knew you would get it... and i knew others would hate"
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which is why i think i'm right.

okay i'll confess i was a little cloud 9 last night listening to her last effort, but this morning i still stand by it.

the thing that really made me post this was I recalled a chance encounter with her a few years back in which she had just come off stage and bumped into me and my wife while heading into a car. i want to say she had a bottle in her hand (maybe not) and red eyes (definitely) and she mumbled something to us with the giddiest little smile ever. the whole exchange was very hendrix like. inside she had did her thing (only a guest not a headliner) and folk gave their typical luke warm, "i wish she would have played" response. not noticing that what she had played was phenomenal. she in the meantime couldn't be concerned with any of that. just loving life and making music.

you really don't get that out of too many artists these days. at all.

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9. "she likes white girls too?"
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Thu May-01-08 09:12 AM by k_orr

  

          

Cause I would have said Polow Da Don is the new Jimi.

  

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11. "She's Me'shell N'degeocello. That's it."
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12. "*is* that it?"
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I can't think of too many other musicians so willing to cast off old shells and try new things... and to do so much of it in a public format (the live show).

And to always have those new things come off *golden*...

I'm wondering if it's a tagging issue, but she only has approx. 600k "plays" on last.fm. That's really interesting to me. I think that number alone could say a lot about music, music listeners, and the music industry.

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13. "she never realized her potential, IMO...."
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as far as all of her shit coming out "golden"...I dunno abt that...

you already know what I think....she got frustrated with chasing pop stardom and has been treading water ever since cuz the rent needs to be paid...

her stans love everything she does....but alot of those "expirements" or "boundary pushing" thangs she does feels like a middle fanger to me....



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19. "bullshit... pop stardom got tired of chasing her"
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show me where she chased pop stardom. was it when she was using jesus name in vein, or when she made the most heartfelt breakup album ever. when she was telling folk they sold their souls like a piece of ass? her message has been consistent. folk wanted her to be some sort of iconic star. she just wanted to make music, and has continued to do so, getting better with each effort. if you're only looking for the pop you're missing out on a legendary catalog. seriously.
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25. "let us not be naive..."
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she wanted to blow up...and was very frustrated when she didnt...to me its shows in her music....

let's not be naive enough to think that some people who operate outside the box dont want that golden microphone.

I think the most birlliant thing she's done is make her fans believe that she cared nothing about achieving pop stardom....




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26. "post-cookie, though?"
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That seems to me her last real attempt to capture some amount of popular success.

Since then...?

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28. "by starting the album "you sell your soul like you sell a piece of ass!!..."
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having assata and gil scott interludes? getting talib to spit a verse? i think people read into that whole artist that didn't want to work with her as her wanting to work with artists that would blow her up, but if she were going for the pop audience her biggest hinderence is the content. and she never held that back as far as i can see.
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30. "that album's a mess stylistically"
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and i think it's because part of the album is geared toward radio...

part of it is not.

i'm not talking about mass radio, it was geared toward the "people's" radio, the dead prez crowd, the neo-soul crowd.

the missy remix.

the obligatory guest emcee.

what made it worse is that there's a lot of good stuff on there that's pretty daring... a lot of open space on that album (tracks like criterion, akel dama, jabril, earth).

but parts of it still came off as though she was trying to pull a trade-off...

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29. "post-cookie is her playing her "artiste" card...."
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she's making non-linear non-pop music because she doesnt know what else to do....

I would be all over it if she was acutally good at it...but all that ish is hit and miss....

I held out so much hope for the Spirit Music project but the meandering and meek noodling let me know what time it is....

Me'shell is a pop songwriter and musician...and when I say pop I say pop meaning verse/chrous/verse/brigde/chorus/vamp out 3-4 minute songs with a beginning middle and end....the same way Prince, Stevie, Sly and yes Jimi were pop musicians....

she does best writing and playing striaght forward funky thangs with her anger, wit, and sexuality layerd over the top...she just needed to keep doing her thang....

you can love jazz and rock and whatever weird shit all you want, that doesnt mean that's what you should be doing....

so now she's doing all this aimless shit because shes knows that she will still get props from her fans and the critics and it doenst matter if it sells or not bcause it's so "avant garde" and too hip for those silly masses....

she should have stuck it out and kept refining her writing and her albums and solidified her style and mofos would have caught on eventually....but she didnt...

so here we are.


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32. "remember the album before cookie?"
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what was that?

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39. "an attempt to woo the Lilith Fair crowd...."
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great record, tho...


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56. "^^^borderline hate^^^"
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59. "how am I hating on a record I loved?"
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65. "by implying her motives were insincere n/m"
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77. "I never implied that...."
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because her motives were sincere...

that record was the last one where she put her best foot forward musically...it just so happened that he pointed that foot towards an audience that she thought would better receive her.


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35. "really?"
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>you can love jazz and rock and whatever weird shit all you
>want, that doesnt mean that's what you should be doing....

*really*?

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37. "he's just trying to help me prove my point, its all good!!!"
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40. "really."
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51. "bang on."
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>Me'shell is a pop songwriter and musician...and when I say pop
>I say pop meaning verse/chrous/verse/brigde/chorus/vamp out
>3-4 minute songs with a beginning middle and end....the same
>way Prince, Stevie, Sly and yes Jimi were pop musicians....
>
>she does best writing and playing striaght forward funky
>thangs with her anger, wit, and sexuality layerd over the
>top...she just needed to keep doing her thang....
>
>you can love jazz and rock and whatever weird shit all you
>want, that doesnt mean that's what you should be doing....
>
>so now she's doing all this aimless shit because shes knows
>that she will still get props from her fans and the critics
>and it doenst matter if it sells or not bcause it's so "avant
>garde" and too hip for those silly masses....
>
>she should have stuck it out and kept refining her writing and
>her albums and solidified her style and mofos would have
>caught on eventually....but she didnt...

ive never loved her music like some people on here though - i dont think shes ever really found her direction or her niche, and she STILL hasnt.

  

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53. "have you heard her latest?"
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55. "nope."
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27. "when exactly are you talking about?"
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and which music does it show in? closest i'll concede is she may have thought she would blow up early on being in madonna's corner. but she started talking about jesus on her second album. you can't talk about jesus and expect to blow up.
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31. "you must understand....."
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that she really did think she could get over doing that....because in the 80's you could get over being confrontational and controversial...

you had Prince, Public Enemy, Madonna, Digital underground, etc....beign controversial and getting away with it....

Prince said he fucked his sister on his 3rd album....

on 1999, he said he wanted to "fuck the taste out of your mouth"

Madonna was walking around butt naked...

Me'shell came up in that school of thought....but the paradigm shifted right under feet....


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33. "the paradigm shifted during her FIRST album"
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when it was realized she was more les-bi than straight-bi. from that point forward as far as i can tell she's just been doing her. you could say cookie was her trying to go mainstream. i'd say it was an anthroplogical mixtape capturing the sound and thoughts of that time.
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43. "cant blame this on her sexuality...."
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there is a distinct marker in tha late 80's/early 90's musical era...

that marker is Cop Killer...

Before Cop Killer, you could be yrself and let yr freak flag fly...sheeit, Fishbone almost got over the hump in '91....the Chilis finally broke big(must I remind you, with a multi platinum album with lyrics about heroin abuse, having sex with police officers, S&M, racism, free love, and talking to animals)....

After Cop Killer, music got REAL safe sounding....

94'...Kurt(or somebody) blew his head off and that was it....

Meshell's album came out in the middle of these changes in fall '93....

she just missed the boat....


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72. "I agree with u"
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I made a post awhile back when her last album was released about how brilliant and overlooked she was. Of course I was clowned for it. Most black folks were not checking for Jimi Hendrix back in his day. It was white folk who made Jimi a legend. We have just claimed him as a boho-hero rather recently. I believe this is the same fate that awaits her. At least I hope so. She is consistenily pushing the envelope both musically and lyrically. I think she is exactly the counter argument to the state of popular black music that is so empty musically and content wise.

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23. "she *has* realized her potential."
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still realizing it, too, and I don't think i qualify as a Stan by any means...

>as far as all of her shit coming out "golden"...I dunno abt
>that...

It's not to say she hasn't put out mediocre stuff. But out of all of her albums there's only one I can't listen to front to back, Cookie, and even that's more a matter of sequencing and length, not to mention stylistically it was all over the map and lacked a certain cohesive quality...

>you already know what I think....she got frustrated with
>chasing pop stardom and has been treading water ever since cuz
>the rent needs to be paid...

I don't understand this at all... how has she been treading water? Since when?

>her stans love everything she does....but alot of those
>"expirements" or "boundary pushing" thangs she does feels like
>a middle fanger to me....

I don't think she's a huge boundary pusher necessarily... I think she pushes her own boundaries, though. And I think that's where the Hendrix statement might actually have some potential... when you listen to Hendrix play, you hear him pushing outward, outward, outward...

I think Meshell's genre explorations are sort of akin to that. I don't think she's ever done them for her fanbase... at this point, that would be silly, considering that her fanbase is relatively small (let's be honest). And she knows she won't get much attention for them media-wise. That leaves the reason of... she wants to. She's pressed to.

I think a lot of her comes off as pretentious or overbearing, even preachy, and I think that's where a lot of the resistance from others comes from... and I can understand that, to a point.

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71. "but keep in mind, Last.FM is a pretty specific crowd"
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>I'm wondering if it's a tagging issue, but she only has
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>me. I think that number alone could say a lot about music,
>music listeners, and the music industry.

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74. "Good point... n/m"
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14. "Jimi Hendrix was popular and made good music didn't he?"
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i dont see the connection

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17. "Hendrix was most popular between his first and second efforst"
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As he continued to expand and explore his music, his audience decreased. And during his lifetime very few black folk embraced him.

The icon that we have today is very revisionist of who he was.
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15. "Huh?"
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I see absolutely no connection between the two besides both of them being rich in melanin, and both being at least very good at their instruments (with Jimi being just a *tad* more than very good).

  

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18. "in that only when she's dead will she truly be appreciated"
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21. "that may be where she has it more difficult"
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cause i don't see her dying no time soon. she's got too much more music to make.
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20. "funny thing is Michelle has a very black fanbase"
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but from what i was told by old heads themselves

niggas(for the most part) wasnt checking for any Jimi
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22. "this is true... but the parallel still fits and i think you know why n/m"
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24. "oh yeah i know exactly"
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and ill be willing to bet 8 years from now or maybe 20

Michelle will be a revisionist legend also in our community

but i predict our shorties will grow up 15 years from now
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34. "Unfortunately.. I competely disagree..."
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she has yet to make an electric lady or a Axis..

nah...
a realized, commercial Stanley Clarke... sure..
I mean I LOVE her...
absolutely ADORE her..
but Jimi?
Nah. Can't do it...

  

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44. "the big difference here is she hasn't made an album for her instrument"
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so to speak. the thing about hendrix is that his guitar was his first instrument and so when you think about his songs you think about great riffs etc. but he wrote amazing songs, especially when he started getting comfortable with his voice circa electricladyland. but even still that's seen as secondary to his guitar playing.

but me'shelle hasn't REALLY made an album about her bass playing. she's focused more on the songwriting, and the parallel in terms of their songwriting is actually kind of eerie.
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48. "I disagree... Mechelle has made all kinds of music however"
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she makes song songs...
not quite formula thank god ... cause I love her work..
Comfort Woman being my favorite..
however, Jimi didn't quite operate in that same pattern.

Sure the guitar was his first love..
however, the songs were guitar driven..
and he played bass too on most of the recordings....

even if you take the simplicity of Are You Experienced..
the sheer notion of the drum track running backwards..
on tape...
amazing.
the backwards, dizzying guitar solos...
pushing blues into an electric forum...
none of these groundbreaking achievments have Mechelle accomplished..
and I LOVE MEchelle... while she is one of the last standing, popular guitar greats... (I hate John Mayer... anyone get that?)
I would say...
your commericializing Jimi in the process...

there are other notables who could easily parallel with Jimi before Mechelle..

Steve Vai comes to mind..
and so does Jeff Beck.
Now most will say, "well jimi wrote good songs"
true...
but these 'good' songs have been sold to you over and over per generation... the sensationalism behind this man is permanently embedded... most people walking around with a Jimi shirt (mad oKP's actually I bet) don't own one of his albums..
couldn't sit through one... couldn't tell you the process he used to record... etc. My point?
If Jimi were alive today and released the same material people would say it's garbage...
sure it's a masterwork...
but you cannot and really should not compare
Plantation Lullabies or Comfort Woman or Dance of the Infidals to ANY Jimi album..
you just can't.

  

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50. "this right here captures it"
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>most people walking around with a Jimi
> shirt (mad oKP's actually I bet) don't own one of his
>albums..
>couldn't sit through one... couldn't tell you the process he
>used to record... etc. My point?
>If Jimi were alive today and released the same material people
>would say it's garbage...

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36. "Come on man are you serious?"
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No disrespect to Me'Shelle N'degeocello, she's a great artist, but comparing her to Jimi is fucking absurd. Jimi was an international superstar. He was a house hold name. Kids all over the world were trying to play guitar like him. Me'Shelle N'degeocello is not that. She is a great artist, but the average person has never even heard of her. Only on okayplayer would there be an opinion like this haha..

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38. "it's not about the fame. n/m"
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42. "RE: it's not about the fame. n/m"
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haha sure it isn't. So you're saying that it doesn't matter that Jimi was (and still is) a very large part of pop culture and she just has a small cult following? The bottom line is that it is fucking stupid to compare them. They are/were 2 very different artists doing very different things for very different reasons. Like I just said, only on okayplayer would there be a comparison like this..

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41. "^^^revisionist^^^"
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Yes Hendrix toured all over the world and had big hits off his first album. His second album was more critically praised than fan revered. People were going to see him burn up his guitar. By the third album he was no longer that much of a factor on the charts, even though its now regarded as his best work.

Me'Shelle between her first and second album was an international star with magazine covers etc (a lot for her bass playing). her second album was critically praised but received so-so. By the third album she was no longer a factor on the charts, though many would say it was her best work to date.

The big difference, she lived and kept making music, and if you watch the direction of her music, and know the direction of Hendrix's music around the time of death, the parallel is not hard at all. People are more caught up with Hendrix's post-humous legendary status and can't see the trees for the forest.

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46. "RE: ^^^revisionist^^^"
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You sir are the revisionist. Ask anyone who was actually around when Jimi was and they will tell you that he was an international superstar all the way up until he died. Also, you are never going to convince me that Me'Shelle was ever near the star status that Jimi was. She has never been a star and most people, young and old, have never heard of her. With that being said, there is no comparison between them. Jimi was the better artist and he was very much more well known. So instead of arguing with me, lets just agree to disagree. I gotta get back to work..


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57. "but if you really think of it from that angle... that would apply to"
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terence Trent Darby
and almost any artist who signed to Columbia...

Santana...
a whole host of people...

look at Norah Jones..
she just doesn't have any antics...
and for those who don't know..

Jimi only burned his guitar once... that I know of...
that wasn't a every night spectacle...

that was only to upstage the Who... who had explosives... and some other ish...

  

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60. "whether they saw it or not that was why they went"
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>Jimi only burned his guitar once... that I know of...
>that wasn't a every night spectacle...

quiet as kept white folks ain't get jimi that much either. the folk that got him were players and critics.

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62. "only thing revisionist is your bullshit, Electric Ladyland charted at #1"
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Any other nonsense you want to try to pass off as fact to support your terrible analogy?

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66. "i was going by the singles"
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you're right the album hit number one. but the singles didn't fair so well. especially in the states. which was the cause for most of the $$ concern around hendrix the latter part of his life. he didn't have another 'fire' or 'purple haze' and as such his popularity was on the decline, despite having the #1 billboard spot.
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68. "fair enough but that's getting into an era where albums were becoming"
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a bigger focus for the major rock acts of that era. That was the White Album/Tommy/Let It Bleed period.

The main concern with Electric Ladyland was how long it took to make and how monstrously over-budget it had become.......although I would agree that 'Crosstown Traffic', even though it's a staple on FM nowadays, wasn't 'Fire' or 'Purple Haze' on the singles landscape.

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45. "you can't compare anyone to Jimi"
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Meshell does seem to take her music very seriously, and is an excellent musician who seems willing to ignore genre classifications.

But sometimes I wish she had more focus. I tend to like every other album she releases since Cookie. I did not like Bitter or Comfort Woman am thought Dance of the Infidels was a'ight. Her last one is very good.

  

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47. "this generation's Captain Beefheart"
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Someone who refuses to be bound by a single descriptor, who makes music that she wants to make and somehow manages to hold onto a major label (or at least, major overseas) deal because an executive somewhere believes that keeping her on is a testament to his integrity.

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52. "^^^ wow."
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In a nutshell...

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54. "leave it to lonesome_d... LMAO"
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58. "Please.. .that's Stereolab if there ever was anyone..."
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I hate to say it.. but ya'll are acting like her music is wayyy wayyy out..
and it's not..
I LOVE her..
she is the truth..
but let's be realistic here.

  

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61. "RE: Me'Shelle N'degeocello is the Jimi Hendrix of our Generation"
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I don't care about this debate. I just wanted to say that I still listen to 'outside your door' ('talk to me'?) from her first album after having too many drinks. RnB at it's finest. Moreover, I always thought the song (and many of her others) was interesting because of the way she messes with gender roles. In said song, she seems to be speaking from a stereotypically masculine perspective but you can never really tell if she's singing to a girl or boy. That ambiguity in her love songs makes her extremely original and gutsy in my opinion.

  

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63. "^^^On The Short List For Worst Post Of The Day"
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and straight out of the Lessonhead handbook with the 'let's make a completely ridiculous comparison using a legendary artist's name in order to garner views/replies for a post involving a personal favorite' technique.

Up next: 'Res Is This Generation's Bille Holiday'.

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64. "nah..."
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she's maybe top 25 on my list of favorite living artists if that. as i said above, i was a little inebriated listening last night and heard voices and shit that told me to post this. but i woke up this morning and still agreed.

i don't think the comparison raises or lessens either of the artists. and if you go through the thread i point out some of the similarities. and like i've said i'm not really talking about fame or sales or playing or any of that. just the type of artists they were/are, and the music that spawned. it really isn't that big except we put up these untouchable walls around artists like, nobody ain't never fucking with ________ that simply aren't true and at the end of the day very limiting. will there ever be another artist that redefines the guitar the way hendrix did? absolutely not, but is that all that hendrix was. not at all.

like marley said, you can tell a real musician by the way they carry their instrument. me'shelle carries her instrument like hendrix. she can be real lighthearted and playful around it, displaying phenomenal chops, or she can introvert and get real serious with it. same thing applies to their song writing. yall may hate me for saying it but that's really your best response, hating me for saying it. dismissing the notion does not invalidate it. in fact quite the opposite, it only makes it stronger.

if there's anything typical about this as a lesson post, its that when challenged most lesson heads fall back to 'this is stupid' rather than really think about it.
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67. "RE: nah..."
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>she's maybe top 25 on my list of favorite living artists if
>that. as i said above, i was a little inebriated listening
>last night and heard voices and shit that told me to post
>this. but i woke up this morning and still agreed.
>
so you're backing off this a bit then? good, to the currently sober eye it looks off by more than a little.

>i don't think the comparison raises or lessens either of the
>artists. and if you go through the thread i point out some of
>the similarities. and like i've said i'm not really talking
>about fame or sales or playing or any of that.
but you tried to make a point of saying that Jimi and Meshell were both big when they came out (Meshell never really was) and then had fallen off commercially by their third album (the last studio album Jimi released while alive). Meanwhile, Jimi's third album was #1 on the U.S. pop charts and his first two were Top 5. It wasn't just critics & music nerds up on Jimi, that's just patently false.

just the type
>of artists they were/are, and the music that spawned.
I can name a ton of artists whose style of playing and music was spawned by Jimi Hendrix's contributions, I can't name one-twentieth of that for Meshell. That's not to take anything away from her and obviously time contributes but Jimi was changing the way previously established artists were doing things *while* he was alive recording his own material.......and that was only about three and a half years.

it
>really isn't that big except we put up these untouchable walls
>around artists like, nobody ain't never fucking with ________
>that simply aren't true and at the end of the day very
>limiting.
I never say never and welcome any new artist to come shake things up and blow me away with their contributions to the world of music. But the level of these two particular artists in doing so is not really a contest to me, despite Meshell doing it for five times as long already.

And that's not to say I don't appreciate the girl, I own four of her records and have seen her onstage a couple times.

will there ever be another artist that redefines
>the guitar the way hendrix did? absolutely not, but is that
>all that hendrix was. not at all.
>
No, it wasn't. He was also a great songwriter and oftentimes an underrated lyricist. Not sure what this has to do with the comparison.

>like marley said, you can tell a real musician by the way they
>carry their instrument. me'shelle carries her instrument like
>hendrix. she can be real lighthearted and playful around it,
>displaying phenomenal chops, or she can introvert and get real
>serious with it. same thing applies to their song writing.
>yall may hate me for saying it but that's really your best
>response, hating me for saying it. dismissing the notion does
>not invalidate it. in fact quite the opposite, it only makes
>it stronger.
>
Not really saying much here.

>if there's anything typical about this as a lesson post, its
>that when challenged most lesson heads fall back to 'this is
>stupid' rather than really think about it.
>
I don't feel challenged unless there's something that gets me to look at something in a way I haven't before, or when someone spits some truth at me that maybe I elected not to see.

With all due respect, this post really did neither.

I fail to see any category (mastery of their own instrument, impact, songwriting, albums, singles, live presentation, etc) in which these two are really close. peace.

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69. "inebriated music?"
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>I fail to see any category (mastery of their own instrument,
>impact, songwriting, albums, singles, live presentation, etc)
>in which these two are really close. peace.

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76. "They don't get it lol"
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It's as if u were attacking hendrix lol. I immediately got what your point was. All these people talking sales and popularity and whether her talent is up to the genuis of hendrix miss the point. What comes across to me is that both took their art very seriously. They lived and breathed it. U can find their hopes and dreams for themseleves and the world in their albums. They are both highly observant and somewhat removed form the culture while also commenting on it. She is a "thinking" persons artist. Which is exactly what Hendrix was once who get past the hoopla.

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81. "nah, you don't get it"
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>It's as if u were attacking hendrix lol. I immediately got
>what your point was. All these people talking sales and
>popularity and whether her talent is up to the genuis of
>hendrix miss the point. What comes across to me is that both
>took their art very seriously. They lived and breathed it. U
>can find their hopes and dreams for themseleves and the world
>in their albums. They are both highly observant and somewhat
>removed form the culture while also commenting on it. She is a
>"thinking" persons artist. Which is exactly what Hendrix was
>once who get past the hoopla.

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70. "This may be the one time one of these crazy comaprison posts"
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makes me look in to an artists discography.

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73. "My work here is done n/m"
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not as much of a mess as i thought......

  

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78. "where's her Purple Haze? where's her Band of Gypsy phase?"
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i can't roll w/this.

RESTORE THE ROAR.

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79. "jimi's nowhere near her talent."
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near neither her experimentation nor her catalogue.

she's pushed the envelope to a degree no-one else in her enforced genre (even p-----) has attempted.

most criticisms of her speak more to the critic's taste than any quality downgrade on her part.


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80. "Hendrix made ''music-school'' funk?"
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I'm not terribly familiar with her music but based on what I've heard, she makes "musician"-music and I don't really have a use for Musicians (capital M) outside of jazz or as session-guys (BTW, I don't really think of good jazz as musician's music either but noone would agree with me on that).

Hendrix may have been a musician but not a Musician (tm), he was more of an "artist" IMO...

  

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82. "RE: #76: They don't get it lol&gt;"
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>It's as if u were attacking hendrix lol. I immediately got
>what your point was. All these people talking sales and
>popularity and whether her talent is up to the genuis of
>hendrix miss the point. What comes across to me is that both
>took their art very seriously. They lived and breathed it. U
>can find their hopes and dreams for themseleves and the world
>in their albums. They are both highly observant and somewhat
>removed form the culture while also commenting on it.>

thank you... that's what i 'tried' to say in post #6...most folks are misinterpreting what the actual comparison is that's trying to be made...

in my opinion:

the original post-er WASN'T comparing popularity
the original post-er WASN'T comparing virtuosity on instruments
the original post-er WASN'T comparing influences on popular music
the original post-er WASN'T comparing the styles of music they created

what i think the original post-er WAS trying to compare was their depth of commitment and passion to their craft and creative approach. Their 'M.O.' if you will. Their approach to it all. There just aren't a WHOLE lot of artists out their these days with 'that' type of 'naked' devotion to their craft and the creative process behind it. These type of artists are (and really always have been) the minority out there in the general musical environment. There are a lot of music makers out there who make music because they're good at it, or because they like to, or some because it comes easy to them, or some because it brings them fame fortune...theres a lot of folks who make music because they want to make it...but i think rarer are the artists who make music because they HAVE to...it IS them and it's OF them and you can feel that shit in their music regardless of what style of music they play. Jimi was one of them. Meshell is one of them. THATS what i think the original post-er was trying to say.

and yes...the original post-er would be correct

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83. "so the post was trying to say they're both dedicated to their art?"
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if so there's a lot more folks than them you could say that about so it's not like there's a major parallel, plus no one here knows or knew either well enough personally to speak on what truly motivates either of them.

But if you wanna whittle it down to something as arbitrary as that, then I guess you can........but if you want to talk about quality of songcraft, influence, mastery of instrument, output, presentation, etc. then there's really not much of a comparison to be made.

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84. "RE: so the post was trying to say they're both dedicated to their art?"
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>if so there's a lot more folks than them you could say that
>about so it's not like there's a major parallel, >

yes, there ARE more folks than these two... and a few have been named in this thread, but as i said they are the minority BY FAR in my opinion, so yes, that IS worth noting...

>plus no one
>here knows or knew either well enough personally to speak on
>what truly motivates either of them.
>

I agree with on this point to a point. we don't 'really' know these artists, so we can't 'really' know their motivations. (something i've argued with Scorp in the past about before). all we really have to go by is interviews and such. And i suppose, assuming you think the artists are being genuine in their interviews, you can probably get to 'some' of the motivations behind their creativity through those interviews...but in the end, no, we can't REALLY know their true motivations can we?


>But if you wanna whittle it down to something as arbitrary as
>that, then I guess you can........>

that's the thing...for me that is NOT arbitrary. For me it's a tangible element that you can HEAR in the music. For me it's JUST as tangible as any other element. If you think about it, it can be extremely vital in that it can DIRECTLY affect the impact of MANY elements & layers of music...including several of the things that you list below....

>but if you want to talk
>about quality of songcraft, influence, mastery of instrument,
>output, presentation, etc. then there's really not much of a
>comparison to be made.
>

it's kinda like science & spirituality...BOTH are real and legit...one is thought of as 'nuts & bolts' something you can count, measure and hold...while the other not so much, it's harder to define, harder to hold or measure in the physical sense. but when it's THERE you KNOW it's there, you CAN feel its there... and yes it can indeed affect the science part part.

so i disagree, a comparison CAN be made between these two artists (and the minority of others like them), they DO share that side of creativity. I CAN hear that shit in there...that's just how it is....

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85. "fair enough, the post title & poster seemed to aim for more at times"
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in this thread. peace.

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