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Subject: "since the last Sa-Ra post was so much fun"

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Orfeo_Negro
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"since the last Sa-Ra post was so much fun"

i want to talk a little bit about their lyrics

some of them kinda bother me

i mean, i'm not a prude... in fact, some could even argue that i'm a degenerate. but i don't know why i'm sorta put off my all these lines about grabbing people's cocks and licking them from their ass to their crotch.

their music is great, but i think these lyrics cheapen it a little bit... it's not necessary. and i don't think it's sexy either.

what's MOST distrubing about this, though, is that i find myself identifying with Mr Coolidge, who consistently dogs my man Cody for his vulgar language (which doesn't offend me in the least) and accuses him of deliberately coarsening his songs in order to appeal to the unwashed and unlettered hip-hop demographic. i don't think Cody does this, but i think Sa-Ra do... and i wish they would stop.

(interestingly enough, Warren has no problem with Sa-Ra's vulgarity... go figga, my nigga)

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Subject	Author	Message Date	ID
UH OH...	DaiN tha Spit Boxer	Oct 26th 2004	1
Afkap????	Warren Coolidge	Oct 26th 2004	2
new name, same great flavor	Orfeo_Negro	Oct 26th 2004	4
oh I'll answer it...	Warren Coolidge	Oct 26th 2004	6
yes, Marpessa Dawn is the hotness	Orfeo_Negro	Oct 26th 2004	9
If Sa-Ra...wait...	Warren Coolidge	Oct 26th 2004	11
you think 'i got a dick fulla blood' is cheesier than	Orfeo_Negro	Oct 26th 2004	12
yeah I do....	Warren Coolidge	Oct 26th 2004	13
i don't think you're being honest with yourself	Orfeo_Negro	Oct 26th 2004	15
RE: i don't think you're being honest with yourself	Warren Coolidge	Oct 26th 2004	19
a female answers:	fire	Oct 26th 2004	129
so you just said	afrobongo	Oct 26th 2004	142
i'm a stop talking to u till u change ur name back	fire	Oct 26th 2004	7
i knew this Black Orpheus thing was gonna be a struggle	Orfeo_Negro	Oct 26th 2004	10
I shoulda known it was you.	Ascension	Oct 26th 2004	14
you seem almost disappointed	Orfeo_Negro	Oct 26th 2004	16
we all are	fire	Oct 26th 2004	26
it's not for you (c) sowhat	fire	Oct 26th 2004	3
so who is it for?	Orfeo_Negro	Oct 26th 2004	5
those that like their funk stank	fire	Oct 26th 2004	8
sa ra isnt 'stank'	GumDrops	Oct 26th 2004	42
talking about lickin someones ass is	fire	Oct 26th 2004	56
im talking about the MUSIC, not the lyrics	GumDrops	Oct 26th 2004	58
LOL	AFKAP_of_Darkness	Oct 26th 2004	73
well the lyrics CAN make something stank w/o the music	fire	Oct 26th 2004	81
yeah but its ALL got to be stank!	GumDrops	Oct 26th 2004	89
Cameo's music was stank	Orfeo_Negro	Oct 26th 2004	123
not all of it	fire	Oct 26th 2004	125
hmmm "ass to your croutch" for the hip-hop kids ?	afrobongo	Oct 26th 2004	17
in the post-Dipset era?	Orfeo_Negro	Oct 26th 2004	18
in the Kanye West-era ?	afrobongo	Oct 26th 2004	20
seriously though	Orfeo_Negro	Oct 26th 2004	21
it's not like we have many "freaky" artists nowadays	afrobongo	Oct 26th 2004	23
'freakiness' has been a mainstay in R&B culture	Orfeo_Negro	Oct 26th 2004	25
nah not really..	afrobongo	Oct 26th 2004	27
you got a point	Orfeo_Negro	Oct 26th 2004	30
as i see it, this is neither poetry nor pornography	afrobongo	Oct 26th 2004	32
yes god	fire	Oct 28th 2004	205
yes and you too !	afrobongo	Oct 28th 2004
silk and jodeci???	Warren Coolidge	Oct 26th 2004	28
but Rick was just Rick	Orfeo_Negro	Oct 26th 2004	31
RE: but Rick was just Rick	Warren Coolidge	Oct 26th 2004	36
believe it or not	afrobongo	Oct 26th 2004	37
RE: believe it or not	Warren Coolidge	Oct 26th 2004	39
i said similarities	afrobongo	Oct 26th 2004	49
it's grown folks music...n/m	Warren Coolidge	Oct 26th 2004	24
not really	afrobongo	Oct 26th 2004	29
RE: not really	Warren Coolidge	Oct 26th 2004	33
you're taking things out of their context	afrobongo	Oct 26th 2004	35
RE: you're taking things out of their context	Warren Coolidge	Oct 26th 2004	41
i swear, when ppl get older then forget stuff	GumDrops	Oct 26th 2004	45
RE: i swear, when ppl get older then forget stuff	Warren Coolidge	Oct 26th 2004	47
if crasssness is the norm	GumDrops	Oct 26th 2004	50
no	afrobongo	Oct 26th 2004	52
WORD!	GumDrops	Oct 26th 2004	54
music was better	Warren Coolidge	Oct 26th 2004	59
dude you're tripping	afrobongo	Oct 26th 2004	61
Let's pretend we're married...	Warren Coolidge	Oct 26th 2004	65
then it's the radio, not the artists n/m	afrobongo	Oct 26th 2004	68
come come now	GumDrops	Oct 26th 2004	63
as one of the youth	Warren Coolidge	Oct 26th 2004	69
the real comparison	Warren Coolidge	Oct 26th 2004	62
i think we all agree on that..	afrobongo	Oct 26th 2004	64
no more cody discussion!	GumDrops	Oct 26th 2004	67
Cody's alright...	Warren Coolidge	Oct 26th 2004	70
old people are CRASSER than youngsters	fire	Oct 28th 2004	207
i was talking about FANS	GumDrops	Oct 28th 2004	212
seriously though..	afrobongo	Oct 26th 2004	22
pfire	fire	Oct 28th 2004	209
they both suck lyrically....	scorpion	Oct 26th 2004	34
stop living in the past	GumDrops	Oct 26th 2004	40
please....	scorpion	Oct 26th 2004	44
we're all looking for progression	GumDrops	Oct 26th 2004	48
he's a hater gummy, not a hateur, a hater	fire	Oct 28th 2004	210
is it possible to progress beyond	Warren Coolidge	Oct 26th 2004	72
that's too easy, son	afrobongo	Oct 26th 2004	46
why?	GumDrops	Oct 26th 2004	51
because lowering the standards ain't cool	afrobongo	Oct 26th 2004	55
i agree but what standards are being lowered?	GumDrops	Oct 26th 2004	57
hmmmm	afrobongo	Oct 26th 2004	60
yeh well the songwriting is weak, i freely admit this	GumDrops	Oct 26th 2004	66
did sa-ra make some	fire	Oct 28th 2004	223
Fire..	afrobongo	Oct 28th 2004	229
i aint rereading 4, 567 exchanges	fire	Oct 28th 2004	239
but it's me, fire, IT'S ME !	afrobongo	Oct 28th 2004	243
i still :)~ u	fire	Oct 28th 2004	246
this is what i like them for	GumDrops	Oct 26th 2004	38
RE: this is what i like them for	Warren Coolidge	Oct 26th 2004	43
i agree actually	GumDrops	Oct 26th 2004	53
very few posters in here	fire	Oct 26th 2004	71
Aint that the truth	Ascension	Oct 26th 2004	74
that does not negate the validity of the criticism thou	AFKAP_of_Darkness	Oct 26th 2004	75
if i wanna dis sa ra from my ass to their crotch, i wil	GumDrops	Oct 26th 2004	79
RE: that does not negate the validity of the criticism	Warren Coolidge	Oct 26th 2004	80
the criticism is	Orfeo_Negro	Oct 26th 2004	83
RE: the criticism is	Warren Coolidge	Oct 26th 2004	88
question: if Ginuwine sang the same lyrics	Orfeo_Negro	Oct 26th 2004	111
I really don't feel like	Warren Coolidge	Oct 26th 2004	132
and if bilal did the same?	Jehan	Oct 27th 2004	148
your criticism is kinda weird man	GumDrops	Oct 26th 2004	91
he's a prude...	afrobongo	Oct 26th 2004	92
im starting to see that	GumDrops	Oct 26th 2004	95
i'm waiting for that Najee apprecaition post	afrobongo	Oct 26th 2004	98
afkaps going care-bear soft	GumDrops	Oct 26th 2004	100
he's like Afkap_of_Sacharose now	afrobongo	Oct 26th 2004	101
afkap of cushionery	GumDrops	Oct 26th 2004	102
softkap of smoothness	afrobongo	Oct 26th 2004	104
akfap of adult wine bars, wooly gowns, cigars & log	GumDrops	Oct 26th 2004	105
akkap of silk pyjamas and herbal tea	afrobongo	Oct 26th 2004	106
afkap of bubble baths and cups of cocoa	GumDrops	Oct 26th 2004	108
afkap of cookies and milk glass at 4 pm	afrobongo	Oct 26th 2004	109
afkap of being in bed by 7.45pm	GumDrops	Oct 26th 2004	112
afkap of viagra	afrobongo	Oct 26th 2004	118
afkap of getting some twice a year	afrobongo	Oct 26th 2004	120
actually, i DO be going to bed early these days	Orfeo_Negro	Oct 26th 2004	121
its already happening!	GumDrops	Oct 26th 2004	127
afkap the bridge player	fire	Oct 27th 2004	200
let me grow old with dignity, damn you!	Orfeo_Negro	Oct 26th 2004	110
LMAO	afrobongo	Oct 26th 2004	113
youre losing your edge man	GumDrops	Oct 26th 2004	114
amazing!	j_davey	Oct 26th 2004	137
RE: let me grow old with dignity, damn you!	Warren Coolidge	Oct 26th 2004	138
uh huh...	j_davey	Oct 26th 2004	139
no question...n/m	Warren Coolidge	Oct 26th 2004	140
I think Af	Warren Coolidge	Oct 26th 2004	99
he knows why ppl like sa ra more though	GumDrops	Oct 26th 2004	103
RE: he knows why ppl like sa ra more though	Orfeo_Negro	Oct 26th 2004	116
thats exactly why	Ascension	Oct 26th 2004	107
who's hating?	Orfeo_Negro	Oct 26th 2004	117
i'm not mad at Sa-Ra though	Orfeo_Negro	Oct 26th 2004	115
it's not as much crass Af...	Warren Coolidge	Oct 26th 2004	135
RE: it's not as much crass Af...	fire	Oct 28th 2004	204
and...	j_davey	Oct 26th 2004	134
bad bad bad bad bad example	afrobongo	Oct 26th 2004	141
yeah cos that was standard, easy to do crass	GumDrops	Oct 26th 2004	144
who has done some good crass recently ?	afrobongo	Oct 26th 2004	145
apart from sa-ra.... i dunno, bilal (in concert anyway)	GumDrops	Oct 26th 2004	146
Bilal could be sooooooo funkier ....	afrobongo	Oct 26th 2004	147
i loved 'smack your ass, pull your hair' too	Orfeo_Negro	Oct 27th 2004	150
what if redman said	GumDrops	Oct 27th 2004	152
oh i've heard worse too	Orfeo_Negro	Oct 27th 2004	153
i dont think it was trying too hard or overcompensating	GumDrops	Oct 27th 2004	155
i think it was derogatory	Orfeo_Negro	Oct 27th 2004	157
d was more tasteful, or more subtle	GumDrops	Oct 27th 2004	159
LOL	Orfeo_Negro	Oct 27th 2004	163
ascension?	fire	Oct 26th 2004
so as listeners, were just meant to sit there passively	GumDrops	Oct 26th 2004	77
shut up and support art !	afrobongo	Oct 26th 2004	78
places sa ra cdr in glass frame and bows down	GumDrops	Oct 26th 2004	82
licks every member from ass to croutch	afrobongo	Oct 26th 2004	84
i think i'll stick with only j.davey thanks	GumDrops	Oct 26th 2004	87
!!!!!!!!	afrobongo	Oct 26th 2004	90
hey, i still wanna be her friend	GumDrops	Oct 26th 2004	93
you're lesbian now ?	afrobongo	Oct 26th 2004	94
what?!	GumDrops	Oct 26th 2004	96
i keep the "lol"	afrobongo	Oct 26th 2004	97
damn...	j_davey	Oct 26th 2004	131
forget the three guys	GumDrops	Oct 26th 2004	143
hmph	j_davey	Oct 27th 2004	181
was only kidding...	GumDrops	Oct 27th 2004	183
i know	j_davey	Oct 27th 2004	184
quick question(s)	GumDrops	Oct 27th 2004	186
pricks up ears	Orfeo_Negro	Oct 27th 2004	187
prick w/ears is better	fire	Oct 28th 2004	228
at least i GOT ears, and aint afraid to use 'em	Orfeo_Negro	Oct 28th 2004	230
at least when i use mine, i use them well	fire	Oct 28th 2004	240
and i use the stuff that's between them, too	Orfeo_Negro	Oct 28th 2004	242
stuff these	fire	Oct 28th 2004	247
i think...	j_davey	Oct 27th 2004	188
if you DO end up singing that song	Orfeo_Negro	Oct 27th 2004	189
also,	GumDrops	Oct 27th 2004	190
ooh, yeah...	j_davey	Oct 27th 2004	193
look at you!	j_davey	Oct 27th 2004	191
hey, you can keep your nickels	Orfeo_Negro	Oct 27th 2004	192
ohhhhh...	j_davey	Oct 27th 2004	194
THAT's what i wanna hear...	Orfeo_Negro	Oct 27th 2004	195
uh huh...	j_davey	Oct 27th 2004	196
Did you just get away with that??	Onederlust	Oct 27th 2004	202
to answer yr question, j....	scorpion	Oct 28th 2004	221
true word.	Orfeo_Negro	Oct 28th 2004	224
got it...	j_davey	Oct 28th 2004	231
good....	scorpion	Oct 28th 2004	237
in constant development	j_davey	Oct 28th 2004	238
RE: okp - let's take the fun out of music	auhlixer999	Oct 26th 2004	76
who's taking out the fun?	Orfeo_Negro	Oct 26th 2004	85
RE: just okp in general	auhlixer999	Oct 26th 2004	86
bamma, i SAID i liked their music.	Orfeo_Negro	Oct 26th 2004	119
RE: i wan't talking about you personally	auhlixer999	Oct 26th 2004	122
i think you're getting a bit tresvanty	Orfeo_Negro	Oct 26th 2004	124
RE: nah it's because i prefer ginger ale over sprite	auhlixer999	Oct 26th 2004	126
I just wanted to say	dafriquan	Oct 26th 2004	128
My 2 Cents	REB0	Oct 26th 2004	130
Tone...	h20molecule	Oct 26th 2004	133
extremely well said...	Warren Coolidge	Oct 26th 2004	136
what's clever, exciting or funny about 'be my bitch'?	Orfeo_Negro	Oct 27th 2004	149
the music these words are being sung over is diff thoug	GumDrops	Oct 27th 2004	151
it does play a part	Orfeo_Negro	Oct 27th 2004	154
but	GumDrops	Oct 27th 2004	156
i never said it was offensive	Orfeo_Negro	Oct 27th 2004	158
i give up, ask bongo!	GumDrops	Oct 27th 2004	161
you want j_davey to sing that one to you, don't you ?	afrobongo	Oct 27th 2004	167
er	GumDrops	Oct 27th 2004	168
my bastard would sound like a Destiny's Child song	afrobongo	Nov 01st 2004	252
how do you feel about cody's bitch im broke?	GumDrops	Oct 27th 2004	169
not my favorite song, but it was still kinda funny	Orfeo_Negro	Oct 27th 2004	170
cody's always golden huh?	GumDrops	Oct 27th 2004	171
i have loads of criticism for Cody	Orfeo_Negro	Oct 27th 2004	172
i still think its 60s vs 70s preferences	GumDrops	Oct 27th 2004	173
exactly.	Orfeo_Negro	Oct 27th 2004	174
"DOWNTOWN" ROCKS THOUGH !	afrobongo	Oct 27th 2004	160
indeed it does.	Orfeo_Negro	Oct 27th 2004	162
the hottest tracks, number to number:	GumDrops	Oct 27th 2004	164
i don't think it's part of the 17 tracks demo	afrobongo	Oct 27th 2004	165
that's the kind of track i want to hear more of	Orfeo_Negro	Oct 27th 2004	166
RE: I'm out to make the city mine	auhlixer999	Oct 27th 2004	198
all i want to know is	t510	Oct 27th 2004	175
RE: ABB-Soul	auhlixer999	Oct 27th 2004	176
already checked that	t510	Oct 27th 2004	177
What I have come to learn is Cody HAS been 'delivered'.	zionites16	Oct 27th 2004	178
is that why	Orfeo_Negro	Oct 27th 2004	179
god doesnt like cowskin?	GumDrops	Oct 27th 2004	180
lol, he did tell me he doesn't eat pork.	zionites16	Oct 27th 2004	182
could be...	zionites16	Oct 27th 2004	185
this post is a monster	fire	Oct 27th 2004	197
yes	buildingblock	Oct 27th 2004	201
both should be archived.	Jehan	Oct 28th 2004	206
they will be	fire	Oct 28th 2004	211
frontpage (on some ghostmoderator sh^t).	Jehan	Oct 31st 2004	250
stop it jehan	fire	Nov 01st 2004	253
if I'm Sa Ra...	Warren Coolidge	Oct 27th 2004	199
quiet as it's kept...	Foneticcus	Oct 27th 2004	203
RE: quiet as it's kept...	Warren Coolidge	Oct 28th 2004	214
i just listened to the lyrics of 'downtown'	Orfeo_Negro	Oct 28th 2004	208
youre just mad someone stole your last line	GumDrops	Oct 28th 2004	213
hmm...which song	Warren Coolidge	Oct 28th 2004	215
it's not on the CDR	Orfeo_Negro	Oct 28th 2004	216
RE: Benji	auhlixer999	Oct 28th 2004	217
yeah i noticed that too today..	afrobongo	Oct 28th 2004	218
i won't say it spoiled it	Orfeo_Negro	Oct 28th 2004	220
it was kinda ... easy	afrobongo	Oct 28th 2004	226
it does rock... crack rocks!	Orfeo_Negro	Oct 28th 2004	227
oh yeah...I remember...thanks.	Warren Coolidge	Oct 28th 2004	219
IT SOUNDS LIKE COKE..	afrobongo	Oct 28th 2004	222
what does coke sound like??	Warren Coolidge	Oct 28th 2004	232
maybe you need to party more	Orfeo_Negro	Oct 28th 2004	233
warren coolidge says nope to dope	Warren Coolidge	Oct 28th 2004	234
no.	Orfeo_Negro	Oct 28th 2004	235
booooooooooo	afrobongo	Oct 28th 2004	236
the l.e.s. is cocaine alley	fire	Oct 28th 2004	249
Who the fuck is Sa-Ra?	Frank Longo	Oct 28th 2004	225
jumping jehosafat!	fire	Oct 28th 2004	241
I mean like WHO are they?	Frank Longo	Oct 28th 2004	244
funny...	j_davey	Oct 28th 2004	245
i thought the same thing ..	filthyessence	Oct 31st 2004	251
wow!	j_davey	Nov 01st 2004	254
you can have whatever you want ..	filthyessence	Nov 01st 2004	255
now i'm blushing...	j_davey	Nov 01st 2004	256
if the 2 tracks i've heard are any sign ..	filthyessence	Nov 01st 2004	257
did u read the link?	fire	Oct 28th 2004	248

DaiN tha Spit Boxer
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Tue Oct-26-04 08:07 AM

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1. "UH OH..."
In response to Reply # 0

this may take awhile...

half of two...

www.myspace.com/soalyk
up and coming production team...

www.myspace.com/dain
New Orleans Hip Hop...

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Warren Coolidge
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Tue Oct-26-04 08:09 AM

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2. "Afkap????"
In response to Reply # 0

99 posts and seems to have an impression about Warren Coolidge's views that would probably take more than 99 posts of experience to discover...

orfeo_negro..... Black Orpheus....a movie Kap would dig...probably due to the most beautiful Marpessa Dawn...

and Cody in the Avatar...

lol..

I don't know....

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Orfeo_Negro
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Tue Oct-26-04 08:13 AM

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4. "new name, same great flavor"
In response to Reply # 2
Tue Oct-26-04 08:13 AM

just answer the question

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Warren Coolidge
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Tue Oct-26-04 08:17 AM

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6. "oh I'll answer it..."
In response to Reply # 4

(Marpess Dawn is like the finest woman ever though ?no?)

I'll answer...

first why don't you repeat to me what you believe my problem with Cody and the "bad words" are...

reason I say this is because when this is coming up, you're not accurately presenting my views on Cody and the usage of those words...

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Orfeo_Negro
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Tue Oct-26-04 08:28 AM

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9. "yes, Marpessa Dawn is the hotness"
In response to Reply # 6

no lie

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Warren Coolidge
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Tue Oct-26-04 08:32 AM

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11. "If Sa-Ra...wait..."
In response to Reply # 9

first of all...it's not really fair to compare an officially released album with a collection of demos, and other stuff which may or may not be on their album...and even if it is on their album....maybe not in the same state..

but....If Sa-Ra had said..."I've got a d*ck full of blood and an open heart to lean on" I would have said that was cheesy as hell....

Cody was, to me, cheesy and pretentious in some places of his album....it seemed as though he was trying to tip his hat to the hip hop community and make his lyrics gully real quick, just to seem cool....it wasn't consistent, and seemed pretentious to me..

doesn't mean I didn't like his album....but there are others I've liked much better....

Sa-Ra...from the songs we heard have a unique style...i don't get that same pretenious feeling ....and again I don't judge that CDr as if it's their album...it just isn't...

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Tue Oct-26-04 08:35 AM

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12. "you think 'i got a dick fulla blood' is cheesier than"
In response to Reply # 11

"lick you from your ass to your crotch"?

you can't be serious now

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Warren Coolidge
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Tue Oct-26-04 08:39 AM

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13. "yeah I do...."
In response to Reply # 12

I think you might want to ask the females about that....Ask them which line would they be more open too....I'm not certain, but I think a female may be open to the lick rather than the dictionary definition for an erection...

plus...this is not a good comparison....let's wait until Sa-Ra's album comes out.

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Orfeo_Negro
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Tue Oct-26-04 08:48 AM

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15. "i don't think you're being honest with yourself"
In response to Reply # 13

first of all, i don't see how it matters whether or not they have a full album out. these are lyrics that they wrote and they perform in public. and almost every song has lyrics like this, so i don't think it's an anomaly

also, they talk about "cocks" a lot... in my experience, women tend to be a bit more offended by the c-word than the d-word

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Warren Coolidge
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Tue Oct-26-04 08:56 AM

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19. "RE: i don't think you're being honest with yourself"
In response to Reply # 15

>first of all, i don't see how it matters whether or not they
>have a full album out. these are lyrics that they wrote and
>they perform in public.

I still don't see it as a fair comparison. And as I've repeated several times...it's not the fact that they used the words, it's the context in which they are used....From Cody=Corny....from Sa-RA=not corny. I mean that's just my opinion.

think about it for a minute...why would Warren Coolidge dismiss an artist JUST because they used some sexual language??? being that he's a P-funk fan...a Rick James Fan...a Prince fan....So obviously there is more to it than just the usage...The way it was used from Cody sounded corny....seemed like he was trying to hard to fit in...but again, that's just how it sounded with me. Very pretentious.

and almost every song has lyrics
>like this, so i don't think it's an anomaly

um....not the one's iv'e heard.

>
>also, they talk about "cocks" a lot... in my experience,
>women tend to be a bit more offended by the c-word than the
>d-word

could you give examples? because I think this is a bit of an exaggeration...

but again...whatever Sa-Ra's lyrical content is on their demo CDR...nothing jumped out at me like "damn...that was some corny shizt" but first time I heard Cody's album....that jumped out...over time I was able to appreciate him as an artist more...but i certainly don't have the hype you seem to have for him.

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129. "a female answers:"
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>I think you might want to ask the females about that....Ask
>them which line would they be more open too....I'm not
>certain, but I think a female may be open to the lick rather
>than the dictionary definition for an erection...
>

i would fucking LOVE for a man to say this...i've had it happen even.....& i love it i love it i love it (c) billy crystal

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142. "so you just said"
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it's corny because it's not "for the bitches" @ Afkap ?

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7. "i'm a stop talking to u till u change ur name back"
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so there

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10. "i knew this Black Orpheus thing was gonna be a struggle"
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14. "I shoulda known it was you."
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in that other post.

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16. "you seem almost disappointed"
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26. "we all are"
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3. "it's not for you (c) sowhat"
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5. "so who is it for?"
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8. "those that like their funk stank"
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42. "sa ra isnt 'stank'"
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theyre not nearly raw enough. and i dont mean lyrically, their stuff is far too 'precise' from the programming to the 'sound' to really be 'stank'. not on those dilla plodding lifeless tracks anyway, - the uptempo tracks is where sa ra REALLY get funky. fuck all this mellow chill out ambient cocktail music.

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56. "talking about lickin someones ass is"
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as stank as it gets (c) me via jack nicholson

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58. "im talking about the MUSIC, not the lyrics"
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i dont care if jill scott says she wants to be a whore on her new album, its about as sexy as sewing a pair of socks.

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73. "LOL"
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>i dont care if jill scott says she wants to be a whore on
>her new album, its about as sexy as sewing a pair of socks.

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81. "well the lyrics CAN make something stank w/o the music"
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see: cameo

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89. "yeah but its ALL got to be stank!"
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i dont think i like what stank means now anyway. it seems to mean a corny version of funk these days.

then again, dizzee rascals label is called dirty stank.... so maybe im wrong.

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123. "Cameo's music was stank"
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125. "not all of it"
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u're BUG
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17. "hmmm "ass to your croutch" for the hip-hop kids ?"
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c'mon now..

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18. "in the post-Dipset era?"
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HELL YEAH!

LOL

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20. "in the Kanye West-era ?"
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HELL NO

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21. "seriously though"
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i don't know who they are trying to appeal to with that, but i can't help but feel that they are deliberately coarsening the stuff to appear less... i dunno, "artsy"... "different" (as the kids say)?

Pharrell did the same thing on the first NERD album with all that unnecessary cursing and stuff

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23. "it's not like we have many "freaky" artists nowadays"
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25. "'freakiness' has been a mainstay in R&B culture"
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since Silk and Jodeci

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27. "nah not really.."
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do you think R Kelly's lyrics are .. freaky ?

c'mon now

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30. "you got a point"
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R Kelly's lyrics don't seem as freaky as they should because that kinda thing has become so noramlized that it's... like nothing to us.

i think that SRCP are trying to raise the stakes in the freak game, and i don't know how to feel about that. i mean, i'm all for that kinda thing... but y'know, there's a way to say things... there's a fine line between poetry and pornography (and while i love both of these things, i don't necessarily like them together)

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32. "as i see it, this is neither poetry nor pornography"
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probably because it sounds so goofy to me..

but the biggest freaks ARE goofy

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205. "yes god"
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>but the biggest freaks ARE goofy

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"yes and you too !"

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28. "silk and jodeci???"
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um...

there was this dude....out of Buffalo NY I believe...um...I think he was bringing the freak out when jodeci was in diapers....as were a lot of FUNK ARTISTS of his time...

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31. "but Rick was just Rick"
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that was his thing

it wasn't until 1992 or so that "freakiness" became the industry standard and "lick you up and down" became a required line to use on every single R&B album

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36. "RE: but Rick was just Rick"
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Tue Oct-26-04 09:19 AM

>that was his thing
>
>it wasn't until 1992 or so that "freakiness" became the
>industry standard and "lick you up and down" became a
>required line to use on every single R&B album

funk was bringing the freakiness for years before 1992...Cameo...Midnight Star...BarKays...Junie Came with Suzie Super Groupie....

there were tons of artists like that...

which, Sa-Ra is appealing to many people because they harken back to that era...not the friggin silk and jodeci era...The funk been freaky since before them cats were even thought of...

plus the electro funk era...which again is something that Sa Ra makes you harken back to....I need a freak by sexual harrasment...dial a freak by eyptian lover....waaaaaay before 1992

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37. "believe it or not"
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>not the friggin silk and jodeci era...The
>funk been freaky since before them cats were even thought
>of...

I still hear a similarity between Jodeci and Sa-Ra

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39. "RE: believe it or not"
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maybe you do....I look like My pops...but I'm not my pop's pops....lol.

I hear much more 80's funk in Sa-Ra...that is the one influence that totally leaps out at you from the get...that's the influence I've heard them speak on.....

jodeci and silk nor their era started the "freakiness" in R&B...that is just patently untrue, and the era that actually birthed it is the same era that is the most prevelent influence on Sa-RA

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49. "i said similarities"
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>I hear much more 80's funk in Sa-Ra...that is the one
>influence that totally leaps out at you from the
>get...that's the influence I've heard them speak on.....

hmm.. thing is: THAT influenced Jodeci too.

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24. "it's grown folks music...n/m"
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29. "not really"
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it still has that nerdy/goofy adolescent fantasy feel Parliament or NERD have..

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33. "RE: not really"
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>it still has that nerdy/goofy adolescent fantasy feel
>Parliament or NERD have..

Parliment is grown folks music. Sure it is.

I'm speaking in terms of what's considered music for the youth...and music for grown folks. Other than hip hop/rap....there is no no urban music today that is for the youth...so pretty much everything else is grown folks music....

Sa-Ra's appeal....at least what I've gotten from the folks I've hipped to them ...is that they harken back to the time of a Cameo...a P...a Junie Suzie Super Groupie thing....making them different then today's norm...

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35. "you're taking things out of their context"
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>Parliment is grown folks music. Sure it is.

Parliament is only grown folks music because the TEENS.. who liked them in the 70's are grown NOW.

>I'm speaking in terms of what's considered music for the
>youth...and music for grown folks. Other than hip
>hop/rap....there is no no urban music today that is for the
>youth...so pretty much everything else is grown folks
>music....

This is shaky, Warren.
But I see what you mean.
It's still shaky.

>Sa-Ra's appeal....at least what I've gotten from the folks
>I've hipped to them ...is that they harken back to the time
>of a Cameo...a P...a Junie Suzie Super Groupie
>thing....making them different then today's norm...

yup.
but Cameo, Prince were making a very immature music.

and there's nothign wrong with that.

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41. "RE: you're taking things out of their context"
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>>Parliment is grown folks music. Sure it is.
>
>Parliament is only grown folks music because the TEENS.. who
>liked them in the 70's are grown NOW.
>
but we're talking about NOW...there is no urban music besides hip hop that is music for urban youth..none. Anything outside of that is something that fits in another category.

>>I'm speaking in terms of what's considered music for the
>>youth...and music for grown folks. Other than hip
>>hop/rap....there is no no urban music today that is for the
>>youth...so pretty much everything else is grown folks
>>music....
>
>This is shaky, Warren.
>But I see what you mean.
>It's still shaky.
>

>>Sa-Ra's appeal....at least what I've gotten from the folks
>>I've hipped to them ...is that they harken back to the time
>>of a Cameo...a P...a Junie Suzie Super Groupie
>>thing....making them different then today's norm...
>
>yup.
>but Cameo, Prince were making a very immature music.

but if they made their music today...there isn't an urban radio station in this country that appeals to the youth that would play ANY of their music.

I don't think their music was all that immature either really.

>
>and there's nothign wrong with that.

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45. "i swear, when ppl get older then forget stuff"
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like what made parliament or prince or rick james so exciting when they were younger. how on earth was prince being mature with lyrics like 'irrestible bitch', ' i wanna fuck the taste out your mouth', 'horny toad', 'head' (!!!!), etc etc. or parliament, talking about peeing in peoples earholes, ending up with a mouth full of goo, etc etc. sure it might not have been as crass (in parliaments case anyway), and might have been more imaginative or adventurous but it was still damn juvenille! and as a kid, i liked that!

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47. "RE: i swear, when ppl get older then forget stuff"
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>like what made parliament or prince or rick james so
>exciting when they were younger. how on earth was prince
>being mature with lyrics like 'irrestible bitch', ' i wanna
>fuck the taste out your mouth', 'horny toad', 'head' (!!!!),
>etc etc. or parliament, talking about peeing in peoples
>earholes, ending up with a mouth full of goo, etc etc. sure
>it might not have been as crass (in parliaments case
>anyway), and might have been more imaginative or adventurous
>but it was still damn juvenille! and as a kid, i liked that!

If those were the only types of songs they did...I'd agree. But since they weren't, I can't agree at all. And really, if we are comparing even the most crass songs of that era, to the crass songs of today???? I think it's obvious which had a higher level of maturity...and creativity...

you see the reason you liked those lyrics when you were young was because it was a bit counter to the norm at the time....today..crass lyrics are the norm.

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50. "if crasssness is the norm"
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why do you like the crude explicit lyrics afkap mentioned?

btw, i think youre using the word mature strangely. there is no way a lyric like 'i sincerely wanna fuck the taste out of your mouth' or lets pretend were married as a whole is mature - the whole concept of that track is like a bunch of teens fooling around.

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52. "no"
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>If those were the only types of songs they did...I'd agree.
>But since they weren't, I can't agree at all. And really,
>if we are comparing even the most crass songs of that era,
>to the crass songs of today???? I think it's obvious which
>had a higher level of maturity...and creativity...

Creativity ? YAY.
Maturity ? C'mon now !

>you see the reason you liked those lyrics when you were
>young was because it was a bit counter to the norm at the
>time....today..crass lyrics are the norm.

For me, the worst thing is that nowadays crass lyrics are poorly written.

I like crass.
lol

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54. "WORD!"
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>Creativity ? YAY.
>Maturity ? C'mon now !

>For me, the worst thing is that nowadays crass lyrics are
>poorly written.
>
>I like crass.
>lol

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59. "music was better"
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and imo...less detrimental to the youth when there was a distinction between grown folks music and music for the young people...a guy like Prince was looked at as a rebel because he crossed the line on many occasions...but I still don't really see how Prince was doing was really promoting the type of behavior by young people that say...an R.Kelly would be promoting.

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61. "dude you're tripping"
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YES THE MUSIC WAS BETTER.

>and imo...less detrimental to the youth when there was a
>distinction between grown folks music and music for the
>young people...a guy like Prince was looked at as a rebel
>because he crossed the line on many occasions...but I still
>don't really see how Prince was doing was really promoting
>the type of behavior by young people that say...an R.Kelly
>would be promoting.

If you were 30 year old in 1975, you wouldn't be saying this..

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65. "Let's pretend we're married..."
In response to Reply # 61

or Sister...or head...(wait, ignore head)...but none of those songs were played on the radio...none of them.

The sexually explicit songs of today are all on the radio and the Tv...purposely marketed to the youth through popular culture...and the artists purposely present themselves as anti-intellectual beings tied to their lower nature....

Prince did his thing on the under....R.Kelly's thing is woven into the marketed popular culture...directly to the youth.

there's a big difference from my perspective.

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68. "then it's the radio, not the artists n/m"
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63. "come come now"
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>and imo...less detrimental to the youth when there was a
>distinction between grown folks music and music for the
>young people...

prince was seen to be lowering moral standards with 'we can fuck until the dawn, songs about incest, oral sex, etc etc by a lot of older black music listeners. i remember an interview with a MPLS deejay at the time in the mid 80s who talked at great length about how prince was leading kids astray and instilling them with no values. sure it might not have pandered to the youth so blatantly today (prince did appeal to a cross section of ages) but listen to the purple rain concert, those are teenage girls screaming, not women in their 40s.

a guy like Prince was looked at as a rebel
>because he crossed the line on many occasions...but I still
>don't really see how Prince was doing was really promoting
>the type of behavior by young people that say...an R.Kelly
>would be promoting.

he was just promoting agressive near-rape sex (extra loveable), casual sex without relationships, sex with your sibling, etc etc.

i think youre looking at this a bit too conveniently. if you were 30 in 1981 i bet youd have thought prince was a disgrace. prince just wrote crass stuff better with more flair and imagination and in better songs. he made it into a virtual artform, lol. but it was still crass.

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69. "as one of the youth"
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that Prince led astray...lol.

I can honestly say that there is a big difference in what Prince was promoting, and what's being promoted today...

again just my opinion....

but most folks, if their honest think of Prince as far more then the nasty guy....his career ..even then encompassed more then that.....plus kids are younger today when they are exposed to this sexuality...

I'm imagining the Vanity 6 poster I had on my wall...and comparing it to a XXL magazine that a kid could buy today...

I don't know...I still think there's a difference.

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62. "the real comparison"
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that I see should be Sa-Ra's potential as a group compared to the current state of Black music. in that comparison is where Sa-Ra is a breath of fresh air....yeah they have influences that remind one of a funky era...funky artists...

but the fact that their current identity is giving us something that current music is just not giving us....that's the real issue.

anything that expands the current state of Black music to include the type of quality it previously had get's a co-sign from me...

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64. "i think we all agree on that.."
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>but the fact that their current identity is giving us
>something that current music is just not giving us....that's
>the real issue.
>
>anything that expands the current state of Black music to
>include the type of quality it previously had get's a
>co-sign from me...

but then why not Cody ?

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67. "no more cody discussion!"
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stop it now, make it go away!

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70. "Cody's alright..."
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more power too the brother....I just am not going to call him...or ANY artist that has released 1 album great....no way.

and ...just w/ my personal preference...there were other artists who released albums around that time..and since that I think were much better than headphone masterpiece....

in my opinion Rebel Soul music is light years better...

but yeah, Cody is cool...but no way I'm going to give him props that I don't feel he's earned yet....nor does he deserve in compared to other artists whose music I find better.

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207. "old people are CRASSER than youngsters"
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212. "i was talking about FANS"
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who liked crassness when they were younger but now dont think those things WERE crass.

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22. "seriously though.."
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doesn't "Freak" have any synonym ?

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209. "pfire"
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34. "they both suck lyrically...."
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if this were 1980, it would be bold and shocking but we live in "anyhting goes" 2004....

the lyrics are desperate for a reaction from the audience, and its visible...

George Clinton's lyrics are a million times more clever and effective becuase of his intelligence and gift for humor...there's also a warped kind of sincerity there that these new cats dont have....

they just wanna say som'n nasty....

they write this shit specifically so you say say "oooh! did you hear what they said?!"

there is also a lack of context, something that Prince and Clinton had for days....they build a lyrical and musical atmosphere where their lyrics are almost called for...

also, the lyrics seemed like a natural extension of their believeable stage personas....most cats today are acting and doing a bad job of it....

I believed Prince was a sex fiend(he is...)I believed George Clinton was a wigged out mad scientist(he is...)but all these new cats put forth a facade of cool that seems very forced and self conscious....and it shows....

I watched Sa-Ra on stage and they were working very hard to play the role of the dudes they want you to believe they are on the records....but if they were doing it right, they wouldnt have to work so hard at it....

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40. "stop living in the past"
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allow these artists to exist in the present without constantly comparing them to something from two decades back. its not like the p-funk influence is that evident anyway, apart from some of the singing styles and emphasis on quirkiness.

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44. "please...."
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Im looking for progression in our arts, and I see regression....

point blizz....until these young bucks can equal or surpass the greatness that came before them, what use do i have for them?

If I told you you couldnt have cheese no more, all that is left is Velveeta...you'd just accept that, huh?

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Be My Beach - Funkadelic
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48. "we're all looking for progression"
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but it depends on what you mean by progression. that word usually connotes something boring and self consciously progressive rather than anything remotely edgy or 'fun'. id be interested to know what you think is 'progressive' in the last 10 years.....

>Im looking for progression in our arts, and I see
>regression....

how on earth are sa ra a regression? are you listening to the sounds theyre using? the influences theyre making into a unique hybrid? sure, some of their songs arent exactly profound, but theyre fun, and not in the typical mainstream-urban sense. theyre also imaginative. you know, what youre saying now, is like what a lot of adults in the early 80s said about prince and rick james.

>point blizz....until these young bucks can equal or surpass
>the greatness that came before them, what use do i have for
>them?

maybe, if you stop treating them like theyre some successor to god knows what, and let them be who THEY are (im not saying in every case, musiq and glenn are obvious wack rip offs, but sa ra arent really openly or gratuitously derivative), you might enjoy it a little more.

>If I told you you couldnt have cheese no more, all that is
>left is Velveeta...you'd just accept that, huh?

of course not, but why would i compare sa ra to stevie or curtis or someone like that? theyre not making trad-soul music or trying to. i dont expect to hear a mamas gun from them, or a voodoo. theyre not using live instruments. theyre working witha diff set of infleunces and in a diff style. maybe youre viewing them in the wrong context. it would be like listening to someone like el-p from a native tongues standpoint.

i will grant you that not all their songs are very good, and a lot of them are well, boring, but there are at least 3-4 great ones on their album demo thing, that are GREAT. (theyre not the dilla-inspired ones).

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210. "he's a hater gummy, not a hateur, a hater"
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72. "is it possible to progress beyond"
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P-funk???

If it is...i don't think my mind could comprehend it...lol..

I'd settle for progression beyond the current music we have...

and Sa-Ra is amoung many artists that i believe are progressing from today's norm...

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46. "that's too easy, son"
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really

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51. "why?"
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55. "because lowering the standards ain't cool"
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57. "i agree but what standards are being lowered?"
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60. "hmmmm"
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the rejection of the comparison is lowering standards.

P-Funk vs Sa-Ra ?

songwriting.

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66. "yeh well the songwriting is weak, i freely admit this"
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apart from 3-5 songs (we both agreed on which those were already). most of the time though, they dont know how to write a song. theyre mostly just beats.

i think they could be great producers/instrumentalists but they shoulkd get a songwriting partner to work with them. then they'd be unstoppable.

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223. "did sa-ra make some"
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WE TRYING TO BE PFUNK DECLARATION?!

if not, yall need to QUIT comparing them

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229. "Fire.."
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THE CONTEXT OF THIS DECLARATION JUSTIFIES THAT REPLY.

RE-READ THE WHOLE EXCHANGE please.

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239. "i aint rereading 4, 567 exchanges"
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it was hard enough reading yall fools the first time!

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243. "but it's me, fire, IT'S ME !"
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246. "i still :)~ u"
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38. "this is what i like them for"
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all these lines about grabbing people's cocks and
>licking them from their ass to their crotch.

thank god for lyrics like that - or rather, thank god for lyrics like that in this artier context thats usually filled with the most mundane odes to positivism and whimsy (hello, jill scott, lizz fields, musiq, etc). and whats better is that they dsont sound like copies of hip hop rhymes either, theyre fun, daring, and weird but still 'good'.

by the way, the best sa ra songs are the ones that dump the soporific, boring, downtempo, plodding, going-nowwhere subtle mellowness for some timbo, neptunes, and kraftwerk influence )but done in the sa ra style, not copying).

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43. "RE: this is what i like them for"
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and whats better is
>that they dsont sound like copies of hip hop rhymes either,
>theyre fun, daring, and weird but still 'good'.
>
exactly.... They have the hip hop context in a sense...but their music is rooted more in the type of funk that was done in the late 70's early 80's. Which gives their music, in my view a stronger base then stuff where folks are copying the hip hop rhymes...

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53. "i agree actually"
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its more playful, its not done with that sense of over-masculine aggression like in hip hop where nas says the mouth or the pussy that is the question. its kinda like old funk lyrics (but without being cheesy). the other thing is that theyre kinda pushing the limits, as far as talking about licking from the ass to the crotch - i mean, no one else is talking about that in R&B or neo soul today are they? thats why i like these lyrics! in fact, that ass-crotch lyric made me respct sa ra even more!

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71. "very few posters in here"
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could even begin to fucking do what sa-ra does, weak or not.

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74. "Aint that the truth"
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that goes for all so called beatmakers and artists in the lesson.

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75. "that does not negate the validity of the criticism thou"
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79. "if i wanna dis sa ra from my ass to their crotch, i wil"
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not that i AM dissing it, but i bought, or downloaded it at least ( i will buy it when i can though), i can say what i want. since when did music fans have to applaud everything? GTFOHWTstupidity. for the supposed hip hop generation, this board does have a rather large number of pussy-footers scared of anything negative.

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80. "RE: that does not negate the validity of the criticism"
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other than..."coolidge doesn't like Cody's curse words, but he likes Sa-Ra and they curse" What is the critcism???

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83. "the criticism is"
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that i feel the profanity (or rather, vulgarity) is unwarranted and it cheapens the listening experience

that kind of "frank talk" might have been fresh, bold and exciting when Rick James and Prince first did it, but now in the current climate where crassness is the norm (as you said) it just seems boring and unimaginative. it's the easy way out. everybody does it now, which was not the case 20 years ago now.

today, the fresh, bold and exciting thing would probably be to find a more "artful" way to let your freak flag fly.

and btw P-Funk was NEVER crass. they might have been freaky, but they were always artful and humorous in the way they expressed themselves.

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88. "RE: the criticism is"
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>that i feel the profanity (or rather, vulgarity) is
>unwarranted and it cheapens the listening experience
>
but cody's didn't??? lol

>that kind of "frank talk" might have been fresh, bold and
>exciting when Rick James and Prince first did it, but now in
>the current climate where crassness is the norm (as you
>said) it just seems boring and unimaginative.

tell your boy in your avatar that too....But the thing is...Sa-Ra's CDr is better than 90% of the Black music that's been released in the last 5 years.

it's the easy
>way out. everybody does it now, which was not the case 20
>years ago now.

but they don't do it as well...or as funky.
>
>today, the fresh, bold and exciting thing would probably be
>to find a more "artful" way to let your freak flag fly.
>
like telling them hoes thank you for your money...oh yeah, and thanking ma dukes too huh?? lol

>and btw P-Funk was NEVER crass. they might have been freaky,
>but they were always artful and humorous in the way they
>expressed themselves.

artful and humorous are 2 words I've heard pretty often to describe Sa-Ra's cdr..

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111. "question: if Ginuwine sang the same lyrics"
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would you defend it or call it garbage?

be honest now.

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132. "I really don't feel like"
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I'm defending it as much as making a distinction as to how that type of language is used in their work compared to that of Cody...

1 corny...1 not..

now Mr. Ginuwine has come to be as corny as a cob....but...I must say that the songs on his first album were very good, and the use of sexualized language..like that on Pony didn't make me wretch...primarily because I thought it was a good song.

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148. "and if bilal did the same?"
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would it be more genuine than ginuwine/sincere than sa-ra?

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91. "your criticism is kinda weird man"
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i mean, who is talking about licking from buttcrack to pussy? sure a lot of stuff is crass today but thats kinda imaginative, or at least different and kinda pushing the limits in terms of whats sung about sexually.

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92. "he's a prude..."
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lol

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95. "im starting to see that"
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first, the lil jon hate, now the anti- sex lyrics thing. i think afkap is getting kinda old. i saw the signs when he started regularly co-signing with coolidge.....

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98. "i'm waiting for that Najee apprecaition post"
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then i'll know OKP is yours and mine

or at least Afkap's position

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100. "afkaps going care-bear soft"
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i mean hes already lapsing into his i love the 80s reminscing posts, talking about how new jack swing was so much better than todays R&B. add that to his retro-soul purism, his inability to appreciate dizzee or crunk, and we have a softee in the midst.... lol

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101. "he's like Afkap_of_Sacharose now"
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102. "afkap of cushionery"
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104. "softkap of smoothness"
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105. "akfap of adult wine bars, wooly gowns, cigars & log"
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fires.......

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106. "akkap of silk pyjamas and herbal tea"
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108. "afkap of bubble baths and cups of cocoa"
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109. "afkap of cookies and milk glass at 4 pm"
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112. "afkap of being in bed by 7.45pm"
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118. "afkap of viagra"
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120. "afkap of getting some twice a year"
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121. "actually, i DO be going to bed early these days"
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don't know what's up with that shit

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127. "its already happening!"
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200. "afkap the bridge player"
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110. "let me grow old with dignity, damn you!"
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whippersnappers!

my generation marched through the streets of New York with Public Enemy so that you kids would have the freedom to lick each other's asses and crotches!

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113. "LMAO"
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114. "youre losing your edge man"
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lol

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137. "amazing!"
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lol. really and truly.

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138. "RE: let me grow old with dignity, damn you!"
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the youth ain't licking azz man....lol...

that's grown folks stuff......I mean not like I know about it...somebody told me that it was like that.....lol.

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139. "uh huh..."
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busted. it's all good. young and old can, and should feel free to take part in a little freak shit every now and then.

at least i think so.

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140. "no question...n/m"
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99. "I think Af"
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sees the ground swell of popularity that Sa Ra is getting, and the direction their taking that seems to be getting more acceptence then Mr. Cody did...so...he borrows a criticism of Cody to use on Sa Ra...

we should all just be glad we have artists like Cody or Sa Ra to bring us something different in Black music...

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103. "he *knows* why ppl like sa ra more though"
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i think he explained it quite rightly in the other sa ra post.

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116. "RE: he *knows* why ppl like sa ra more though"
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>i think he explained it quite rightly in the other sa ra
>post.

pretty much.

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107. "thats exactly why"
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thats why he in straight hater mode.

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117. "who's hating?"
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didn't i say i loved their music?

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115. "i'm not mad at Sa-Ra though"
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i think they're great and i'm not even knocking them for the lyrics, even if i'm not quite feeling them (just as i didn't feel the vulgarity on the first NERD album, which is a record you all know i loved)

i think it's a little corny, but hey... that's their thing. my question is more about why some people will accept this kinda puffery from Sa-Ra but call it "crass" if someone like Kellz does it.

i just want to understand the double standard.

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135. "it's not as much crass Af..."
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as...CODY'S LYRICS, AT TIMES ARE HELLA CORNY AND PRETENTIOUS...

I mean how many times do I have to say it...it's really that simple...the only double standard is occuring because you're dismissing what I actually said...and chosing to make up your own reasoning as to why I didn't like Cody....Now it's that I don't like vulgar lyrics...but yet I like Sa-Ra...

but it still doesn't change the fact that I got a dick full of blood and an open heart...and thank you bitches for my money and thank you momma for whatever...That shizt is corny man..it sounded pretenious and fake...

it's really that simple...you could probably find a million songs that use some sexual stuff that I like...but the difference is....Cody was being a bit cornball to me...it was like...hey I'm making folk-hiphop...so let me get some street cred and talk about my dick being full of blood...lol.

I don't know...that shizt was just corny to me man..

Sa-Ra is funky...I'll wait till they actually release an album to judge their lyrics.

and R. Kelly...I'm sorry..I've thought his lyrics were friggin stupid when the dude came out with the video with the light head mike on....no diss to his fans...but I just have never been one....it's just dumbed down a bit much for me ....but he has done some stuff I like, and I respect his talent..it's just that he doesn't show it enough in my opinion....but that's probably having something to do with the industry right now...there is money in making dumbed down music for the mainstream.

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204. "RE: it's not as much crass Af..."
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>and R. Kelly...I'm sorry..I've thought his lyrics were
>friggin stupid when the dude came out with the video with
>the light head mike on....

lolol!!!!!!!! not the light head mike!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 squawk!

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134. "and..."
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i bet when petey pablo was screamin all that "crass" shit in "Freek a Leek" nobody gave a damn...n*ggas was blastin that shit from coast to coast, jigglin their asses and not givin a shit.

...or maybe i missed all the posts about that.

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141. "bad bad bad bad bad example"
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144. "yeah cos that was standard, easy to do crass"
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145. "who has done some good crass recently ?"
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146. "apart from sa-ra.... i dunno, bilal (in concert anyway)"
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i liked the 'smack your ass, pull your hair' in dangelo's left and right. its not crass but i liked erykahs' 'kiss me on my neck'. joi has done some good freaky/crass type stuff.

most of the 'progressive' ppl in neo soul or the type of stuff gilles peterson plays dont seem to like talking about sex, theyre almost uptight and take being 'positive' into holier than thou territory.

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147. "Bilal could be sooooooo funkier ...."
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on records.

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150. "i loved 'smack your ass, pull your hair' too"
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but i did not like "liar liar, set your pussy on fire" in the same song

there's a fine line...

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152. "what if redman said"
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'liar liar, set your thighs on fire?' would you have liked that?

cos 'set your pussy on fire' is hardly as bad as some of the stuff ive heard in hip hop.

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153. "oh i've heard worse too"
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but it just sounded wrong in that song... especially since it came so early in the album. it sounded like trying too hard... like compensating for something. ditto "i fucked brown sugar behind the fiberglass window" and "the money, the pussy..." and all that.

it was just unnecessary, and it always hurt my ears in some way.

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155. "i dont think it was trying too hard or overcompensating"
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all too often rappers on R&B tracks does do exactly that but here i didnt really feel it. i thought the raps were kinda intrusive, and i wish they werent there (you can get a red/mthod-less version on the cd single), but the slightly overtly aggressive bent aside, i think the rhymes' content isnt that far off from d's lyrics. they never resort to horrible namecalling or being what id call derogatory (or dyou disagree?). theyre just more hardcore. and lets face it, some ppl like it hardcore.

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157. "i think it was derogatory"
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i don't know if it was a matter of context, but they're rhymes on "left + right" seemed lewder to me than the rhymes on their own albums!

and i definitely think that their shit clashed with D's lyrics. the general temperament and content might not be that different from what D was singing, but sometimes it's not about WHAT you say but HOW you say it.

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159. "d was more tasteful, or more subtle"
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and he left more to the lurid imagination, he said 'slap your ass and pull your hair' rather than something like 'im gonna hit it hard from the back til you cry and yank your hair out like youre a horsie'. more than the pussy on fire thing, i really disliked method man talking about trout or whatever it was he said, i thought that was just tasteless. i mean, how are fish references sexy?

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163. "LOL"
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>he said 'slap
>your ass and pull your hair' rather than something like 'im
>gonna hit it hard from the back til you cry and yank your
>hair out like youre a horsie'. more than the pussy on fire
>thing, i really disliked method man talking about trout or
>whatever it was he said, i thought that was just tasteless.
>i mean, how are fish references sexy?

i think i really disliked "get the money, the pussy, the weed..." yeah, that's what really rubbed me the wrong way. i hate all those reductionist credos like "money, clothes, hoes" or "sports, drugs, entertainment" and stuff like that

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"ascension?"

>that goes for all so called beatmakers and artists in the
>lesson.

dont' EVEN get me started! (c) snl

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77. "so as listeners, were just meant to sit there passively"
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and express no opinion?

HAHAH

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78. "shut up and support art !"
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82. "*places sa ra cdr in glass frame and bows down*"
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84. "*licks every member from ass to croutch*"
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87. "i think i'll stick with only j.davey thanks"
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lol

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90. "!!!!!!!!"
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Fuck you for backing off game and making my joke suspect !

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93. "hey, i still wanna be her friend"
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shes apparently a looker, plus she likes good music (another bad creation, fannypack), has a sense of humour, and makes pretty cool music too!

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94. "you're lesbian now ?"
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LOL

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96. "what?!"
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fuck you for editing!

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afrobongo
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97. "i keep the "lol""
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Tue Oct-26-04 11:00 AM

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131. "damn..."
In response to Reply # 84
Tue Oct-26-04 03:34 PM

how did i get in this? i was just quietly passin thru.

leave my ass and crotch outta this...for now

and grown people, lets not act like we ain't all done some freak nasty shit behind closed doors (or wherever else). this music is in fact grown folks music made by 3 grown ass men...very freak nasty grown ass men...

scorpion, i respect what you said earlier about the stage performance not believably reflecting the freakiness of the music (i think that's what you said, i could be wrong)...would the nastiness of the lyrics be better and more than just for shock value to you if the people singing them fit the "freak nasty" sex-symbol image?

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143. "forget the three guys"
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no one is caring about them! its all about you j!

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181. "hmph"
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u ain't gotta butter me up.

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183. "was only kidding..."
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184. "i know"
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:)

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186. "quick question(s)"
In response to Reply # 184

what do you guys think of okps giving such 'earnest' feedback to sa ra's music?

do you think 'BITTER AND TWISTED HATERS!' or 'hmmmm, interesting' or 'who cares?'?

also, why dont you tell the other guys in the group that bitch would be way hotter/weirder/cleverer if you sung it!

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187. "*pricks up ears*"
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hmmm... come to think of it, "pricks up ears" could be a title for one of MY freaky songs! better write that down!

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228. "prick w/ears is better"
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:0)

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230. "at least i GOT ears, and aint afraid to use 'em"
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(ditto my prick)

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240. "at least when i use mine, i use them well"
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(ditto for pricks)

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242. "and i use the stuff that's between them, too"
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(the prick prefers to get between other things)

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247. "stuff these"
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188. "i think..."
In response to Reply # 186

this whole thing is interesting. i don't think anybody is hatin...everyone isn't going to like everything about Sa-Ra's music, and that's cool. The fact that people are thinking and talking about it so much is amazing.

any musical discussion is going to be open-ended and full of people's opinions, and that's great. we're all establishing some conversation about something we love so much, and that's admirable...no matter what's being said. "i'm way grown in my life..." to come in here and have my feelings hurt, dig?

...and in regards to me singin the song, I'll make that suggestion to the fellas at the next session )

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189. "if you DO end up singing that song"
In response to Reply # 188

i need to get credit for "artistic inspiration and redirection"

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190. "also,"
In response to Reply # 189

i need to get credit for 'artistic suggestion' of that 'artistic inspiration', lol

it *would* be great if you did sing it though, if only for a remix - it would change the meaning around and you could appeal to the S&M crowd.....

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193. "ooh, yeah..."
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that's what i'm tryna do! gotta do something for the S&M folks...

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191. "look at you!"
In response to Reply # 189

...tryin to cash in.

i'll maybe slide you a nickel or two for your suggestion since i'm so nice and generous.

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192. "hey, you can keep your nickels"
In response to Reply # 191

i just want the CREDIT... so i can score groupies on some "i'm with the band"-type shit!

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194. "ohhhhh..."
In response to Reply # 192

got it! no problem, daddy...i'll even bring the groupies to you so you don't have to do any work. true pimpin!

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195. "THAT's what i wanna hear..."
In response to Reply # 194

send them my way and i'll show you how i REALLY feel about ass- and crotch-licking!

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196. "uh huh..."
In response to Reply # 195

i'm sure you won't have no problem with it then.

no worries, j. davey aims to please the people...from head to toe and ass to crotch.

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202. "Did you just get away with that??"
In response to Reply # 195

>send them my way and i'll show you how i REALLY feel about
>ass- and crotch-licking!

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221. "to answer yr question, j...."
In response to Reply # 131

>scorpion, i respect what you said earlier about the stage
>performance not believably reflecting the freakiness of the
>music (i think that's what you said, i could be
>wrong)...would the nastiness of the lyrics be better and
>more than just for shock value to you if the people singing
>them fit the "freak nasty" sex-symbol image?

well...there are a few levels to why yr friends lyrics appear more crass than tittilating(sp)....

as far as image is concerned when speaking on personal proclivities...it is important to be believable...

but in 2004, its very hard to do that...why?....because almost EVERYBODY claims to be "freaky" these days....

From Mya's ridiculously desperate claims of freakiness, to Tamia's forced nudity, to the clownish antics of Britney and Christina...and EVERY damn dude on the radio claims to be "freaky"

"freak this....freak that...lick this...lick that...."

the shit is just old and tired...to blatantly say "I wanna lick you from yr ass to yr crotch...." just aint sexy....

if pornography aint done right it cant be a turn-off....

when dealing with mature sexual subject matter, you need to have flair and an innate understanding of the erotic....

most of us will agree that "Funny How Time Flies" was more erotic than "Warmth"....

no one can teach you to be sexy, nothing you can put on or take off can make you sexy.....

Either you is or you aint, and everyody sexy aint sexy in the same way....same thing with the notion of cool...

context is a huge part of this....a drunk chick yanking up her shirt or some dude whipping his dick out without cause wont get nobody hot and bothered....

now if you were playing Truth or Dare or Strip Poker, the unsheated titties and/or dick would provide more of a charge...

basically, what Im saying is its all in the presentation....

going up to someone and saying "Let's fuck...." can either be offensive or extremely erotic....it aint the words, its how you say 'em....

this could get long....you see where Im going with this?

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224. "true word."
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231. "got it..."
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heart, j.

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237. "good...."
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Thu Oct-28-04 08:09 AM

that said, y'all keep doing ya thang.....

I would like to see how ya'll get down in a better venue...

P.S. contrary to pouplar belief, Im not hating on y'all...like I said many times b4, I dig the concept but would like to see it furhter developed.....

If y'all feel that its cool the way it is...I respect that...much success....

My voice is only one in the crowd...

...and the red boots were a nice touch....

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Tell someone you love them, make them a sandwich...
*****************************
Quote of a lifetime:
"...music is not just a hobby or what I do...it's what
I live...music is the voice of my god, my vehicle for spiritual enlightenement..."
-OKP Illogicz

"...all men are created equal...GET ME A SANDWICH, NIGGER, OR I'LL KILL YOU!...and liberty and justice for all..."
-George Washington via Dave Chapelle

"...this whole world is cold and ugly....let me be yr favorite nightmare, close yr eyes and I'll be right there..."
-Mos
http://profiles.myspace.com/users/5562971

Scorpion , The_Fifth & 3030Radio Presents --
Rick James OKP Tribute :
Realplayer : http://streaming.3030radio.com:8080/ramgen/jamestribute.ra
Windows Media Player http://www.3030radio.com/jamestribute.asx

Revolutions:
Yellow Magic Orchestra - Simoon
Fantasy in D - Freddie Hubbard
The Boogie Man Song - Mos Def
Evil Vibrations - The Rebirth
Think Of Me As Your Soldier - Stevie Wonder
Feel/For Love(I Come Your Friend) - George Duke
Jack Herrera 4 President - Jack Herrera
Be My Beach - Funkadelic
Under the Moon and Over the Sky - Angela Bofill
Hope Song - Nonameko
Home at Last - Steely Dan

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238. "in constant development"
In response to Reply # 237
Thu Oct-28-04 08:55 AM

there's work being done constantly to further improve and perfect the sound. making music is a process, as i'm sure you understand. the guys are working hard to create some really impactful shit. it may not reach everybody...no single piece of art will. and that's alright...

it's been said by others on the board, this CDR in question is not a full representation of SRCP's artistic potential. The real shit has yet to be released and heard by many of you, so all these debates may be a little premature.

but, that takes me back to what i said earlier...the fact that anything by the Creative Partners is in everyone's ears and mouths is quite amazing.

and with all that said, I will now resign from my position as SRCP's PR person, and remain a regular citizen of OKP boards

(and i'm glad u liked the boots!)

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76. "RE: okp - let's take the fun out of music"
In response to Reply # 0

Waiting 4:
Hezekiah - Hurry Up + Wait
Sa-Ra - TBA
Common - Be
Bugz In The Attic - Remixes Collection

In Rotation:
Zap Mama - Yelling Away: Hezekiah
Sa-Ra - Just Like A Baby
Roy Davis Jr. - Gabrielle
Ammoncontact - One In An Infinity......
Alchemist - Boost the Crime Rate

t's built on UNIX and is fully backwards
compatable � because Apple controls
the hardware AND software. That's one
reason i still fuck with Mac: I'm paying
for something that's been engineered
from top to bottom by the same
company - dhalgren718

i ain't never seen that many white tees
in one setting even DC bammas will
rock a jersey or sumthing over the
tee... philly cats own stock in hanes -
kec

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85. "who's taking out the fun?"
In response to Reply # 76

i'm asking a valid question and people seem to be having fun poring over it

GTFOOHWTBS

that "take the fun out" shit is a copout

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86. "RE: just okp in general"
In response to Reply # 85

everyong points the finger at what they don't like instead of what they like

Waiting 4:
Hezekiah - Hurry Up + Wait
Sa-Ra - TBA
Common - Be
Bugz In The Attic - Remixes Collection

In Rotation:
Zap Mama - Yelling Away: Hezekiah
Sa-Ra - Just Like A Baby
Roy Davis Jr. - Gabrielle
Ammoncontact - One In An Infinity......
Alchemist - Boost the Crime Rate

t's built on UNIX and is fully backwards
compatable � because Apple controls
the hardware AND software. That's one
reason i still fuck with Mac: I'm paying
for something that's been engineered
from top to bottom by the same
company - dhalgren718

i ain't never seen that many white tees
in one setting even DC bammas will
rock a jersey or sumthing over the
tee... philly cats own stock in hanes -
kec

||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
R.I.P. James Dilla Yancey
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119. "bamma, i SAID i liked their music."
In response to Reply # 86

does that mean that they're perfect?

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122. "RE: i wan't talking about you personally"
In response to Reply # 119

but this post reminded me of how the site can be

Waiting 4:
Hezekiah - Hurry Up + Wait
Sa-Ra - TBA
Common - Be
Bugz In The Attic - Remixes Collection

In Rotation:
Zap Mama - Yelling Away: Hezekiah
Sa-Ra - Just Like A Baby
Roy Davis Jr. - Gabrielle
Ammoncontact - One In An Infinity......
Alchemist - Boost the Crime Rate

t's built on UNIX and is fully backwards
compatable � because Apple controls
the hardware AND software. That's one
reason i still fuck with Mac: I'm paying
for something that's been engineered
from top to bottom by the same
company - dhalgren718

i ain't never seen that many white tees
in one setting even DC bammas will
rock a jersey or sumthing over the
tee... philly cats own stock in hanes -
kec

||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
R.I.P. James Dilla Yancey
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124. "i think you're getting a bit tresvanty"
In response to Reply # 122

just because you happen to be SRCP's head cheerleader

it's all good... look, i think most of the people in this post like their music. but that doesn't mean that we unconditionally love every single thing about it. and i think it's cool that we hav this forum to express the ways in which we think they can improve (and even cooler than some of said artists actually read this board).

we WANT to see them do well... maybe they might agree with some of our criticisms and take a lead from them. maybe they might respectfully disagree and keep on doing what they're doing.

but in the end, it's all about the LOVE of the music... not the hate.

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126. "RE: nah it's because i prefer ginger ale over sprite"
In response to Reply # 124

Waiting 4:
Hezekiah - Hurry Up + Wait
Sa-Ra - TBA
Common - Be
Bugz In The Attic - Remixes Collection

In Rotation:
Zap Mama - Yelling Away: Hezekiah
Sa-Ra - Just Like A Baby
Roy Davis Jr. - Gabrielle
Ammoncontact - One In An Infinity......
Alchemist - Boost the Crime Rate

t's built on UNIX and is fully backwards
compatable � because Apple controls
the hardware AND software. That's one
reason i still fuck with Mac: I'm paying
for something that's been engineered
from top to bottom by the same
company - dhalgren718

i ain't never seen that many white tees
in one setting even DC bammas will
rock a jersey or sumthing over the
tee... philly cats own stock in hanes -
kec

||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
R.I.P. James Dilla Yancey
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128. "I just wanted to say"
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I think Sa Ra is great. In fact the last beat I made was influenced by listening to them all weekend.
That is all.
p.s. the lyrics can be corny. but i listen to beats...lol

RIP JDILLA
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130. "My 2 Cents"
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Considering i could be considered one of the "srcp cheerleaders" here on okp, i figured id chime in. I really think cats need to wait until sa-ra got some released, finished material out b4 they start to tear 'em down. Most of the tracks that people on here are refering to are from a 17 track demo that even i think is somewhat weak, and is definetly not the reason i became a fan. They are not even really sa-ra material, since one of those tracks has already been sold to Bilal (the hollywood hollywood one), so its obvious that the demo was more of a beat tape and the lyrics they put on the tracks were jus done for reference. And in regards to the lyrics that are on the demo, if u dont think "make u bust nuts on frequencies" is dope i cant do nothin for ya man, no homo.

Current Rotation:
De La Soul - The Grind Date
Mark De Clive Lowe - Tides Arising Sampler (!!!)
Ammoncontact - One In An Infinity Of Ways
Platinum Pied Pipers - Stay With Me EP
Van Hunt - Van Hunt
Missy Elliot - Supa Dupa Fly
Bugz In The Attic - Booty La La
Snoop - Drop It Like Its Hot
Sa:Ra - Various Tracks & Remixes
Prefuse73 - T5 Soul Sessions
DJ Rels - Theme For A Broken Soul
DKD - Future Rage
Basement Jaxx - Kish Kash
Madvillain - Madvillainy
Pavel Kostiuk - Pavel Kostiuk and the Musicals
Dabrye - Game Over 12"
Prince - Parade
Evelyn Champagne King - Im In Love

�We are going to bridge a gap between both worlds, and keep both sides happy. No discrimination is our policy, we want Coldplay fans and Daedelus fans, 50 cent fans and Madvillain Fans. It's easy to comprehend, just listen,� - Om'mas Keith of Sa-Ra Creative Partners

'04 Rewind:
Madvillain - Madvillainy
DKD - Future Rage
Bugz In The Attic - Got The Bug (BOOTY LA LA!!)
Clara Hill - Restless Times
De La Soul - Grind Date
Dj Rels - Theme for a Brown Soul
Amp Fiddler - Waltz Of A Ghetto Fly
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133. "Tone..."
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Cody has a completely different tone than Sa-Ra. cody sounds like a negro making excuses for being kind of stuck on instant gratification. he fancies himself a pimp and speaks as if there is magic emanating from his dick. truth is, in 2004 negros with a whole lot less can talk there way into som pussy being completely honest. so cody just ends up sounding like any dude that wants to get some "one night love" and isn't aware that it isn't a feat of awe to accomplish this these days.

Sa-ra feels more like they are encouraging the freak in all of us to be let loose. They don't even sound provacative to me, but in 2004 where you cannot shock people with content anymore, they sound more to me like they are just encouraging everyone to be honest and let the freak flow. you cannot encapsulate the lewdness of the music into one or two little lines.

by the way, i keep spotting elise nigel (is that her name or how you spell it) around town. i wonder how freaky she is?

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if hip hop ever dies...it will be the day that all of us who fell in love with a new sound that was like nothing we ever heard before stop wanting to be challenged. the day those of us who nurtured it and kept being amazed as it grew and changed and redefined itself, turn our backs on it like a confused and unruly teenager, morning for that sweet little simple child that has long since grown up...it will be the day we make a bunch of unbreakable rules and accept it all as orthodox hip hop cannon, and the next musical form will have to born of a rebellion against all you reactionaries who wouldn't let it grow and change because your "love" was really obsession and and you held on so tight that you choked her. it will be the day that young kids don't want to hear about hip hop anymore because they still listen with their hearts...in reality hip hop won't really be dead anyway, she will just have to undergo another name change like she always has...word to miles and dizzy. - kacy wilson

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if hip hop ever dies...it will be the day that all of us who fell in love with a new sound that was like nothing we ever heard before stop wanting to be challenged. the day those of us who nurtured

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136. "extremely well said..."
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>Cody has a completely different tone than Sa-Ra. cody
>sounds like a negro making excuses for being kind of stuck
>on instant gratification. he fancies himself a pimp and
>speaks as if there is magic emanating from his dick. truth
>is, in 2004 negros with a whole lot less can talk there way
>into som pussy being completely honest. so cody just ends
>up sounding like any dude that wants to get some "one night
>love" and isn't aware that it isn't a feat of awe to
>accomplish this these days.
>
>Sa-ra feels more like they are encouraging the freak in all
>of us to be let loose. They don't even sound provacative to
>me, but in 2004 where you cannot shock people with content
>anymore, they sound more to me like they are just
>encouraging everyone to be honest and let the freak flow.
>you cannot encapsulate the lewdness of the music into one or
>two little lines.

absolutely...this is what I've been trying to say right here...thank you.

>
>by the way, i keep spotting elise nigel (is that her name or
>how you spell it) around town. i wonder how freaky she is?
>
>h20
>-------------------------------------------------
>if hip hop ever dies...it will be the day that all of us who
>fell in love with a new sound that was like nothing we ever
>heard before stop wanting to be challenged. the day those
>of us who nurtured it and kept being amazed as it grew and
>changed and redefined itself, turn our backs on it like a
>confused and unruly teenager, morning for that sweet little
>simple child that has long since grown up...it will be the
>day we make a bunch of unbreakable rules and accept it all
>as orthodox hip hop cannon, and the next musical form will
>have to born of a rebellion against all you reactionaries
>who wouldn't let it grow and change because your "love" was
>really obsession and and you held on so tight that you
>choked her. it will be the day that young kids don't want to
>hear about hip hop anymore because they still listen with
>their hearts...in reality hip hop won't really be dead
>anyway, she will just have to undergo another name change
>like she always has...word to miles and dizzy. - kacy
>wilson

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149. "what's clever, exciting or funny about 'be my bitch'?"
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i mean, apart from the fact that it is a pretty grimy, well-written tune from a MUSICAL perspective. i actually like the song quite a bit, but the lyrics... i dunno. they don't offend me or even cause me to erupt in fits of laughter, but they...

let's be serious: for those of you who are likening this kind of thing to P-Funk's "freakiness," let's compare this to Funkadelic's "be my beach":

"she's a lot of fun, she likes to come on much too strong
she's a lot of fun, think that she's the only freak been born
as a matter of fact, she's not the only sand at the beach
or to be exact, there's a whole lot of beaches"

there's a level of wordplay there, of cleverness and wit that you're not getting in "be my bitch"... and the fact that it was rare to hear this kind of talk in an R&B song in 1975 has to be factored in as well.

today, in 2004 we've heard scores and scores of casually misogynistic songs calling women bitches for what? 15 years now? to be honest, i think this song would have been slightly more interesting - but only *slightly* - had it been sung with a female lead vocal. as it is, it ain't offensive but it's uninspired. "be my bitch"? that's the best you can come up with?

and then SOMEBODY gonna turn around and say that "i push my seed in her bush for life" is **pretentious**? i mean, at least it uses METAPHORS... and i'm not saying the song is particularly "deep," but at least the dude tried to express himself above a level of "i stick my dick in that ass tonight," which he very well could have said.

but this ain't about Cody, or holding him up as a standard of anything... i just think that some of you are being extremely dishonest here.

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151. "the music these words are being sung over is diff thoug"
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Wed Oct-27-04 01:22 AM

thats got to play a major part.

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154. "it does play a part"
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but where the music is so forward-thinking and the lyrics so uninspired, i think it makes the whole thing sound like a song parody... and not a particularly funny one either.

it's kinda like those little P-Funk song parodies NWA had, like "my automobile" and "i'd rather fuck with you"... but that was over a decade ago (they were also a lot funnier, and that matters because i think SRCP WERE trying to be funny here... i hope so, anyway)

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156. "but"
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the lyrics are kinda like old 'freaky' funk songs - i mean, were the ohio players leaders of chivalry? i dont think so. i also dont think this song is misogynistic. its more like sexual role play. 'he says i dont want to wife you, but can you be my bitch?' so its acknowledged that there are other types of women there, not just bitches. and hes not even saying 'you ARE MY bitch', hes asking. its like when you call a girl 'a bad bitch' during sex, its not the same as 'you fucking bitch' in a heated argument. plus, the vocals dont have any menace to them, theyre not intimidating, or rough, or aggressive, theyre like sexual invites, not proclamations where the girl might as well not be there, or where shes just a sperm receptable for the rapper to do what he wants.

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158. "i never said it was offensive"
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just boring

i mean, i GET what is being said... and i'm cool with it. but why does it have to be the hook? and the way that hook is pronounced like there's a big punchline in it, punctuated with a Too Short "beeeyatch!"

it's old. it's been done. ad nauseam.

it's just kinda uninspired to me.

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161. "i give up, ask bongo!"
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Wed Oct-27-04 01:32 AM

i think the *music* makes it work on that song. yeah saying bitch is boring now but this *feels* different.

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167. "you want j_davey to sing that one to you, don't you ?"
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168. "er"
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maybe if she changed the name of the song to 'bastard'.......

i do agree with afkap of yore though, that it would be way more interesting if j davey sung that song rather than the guys.

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252. "my bastard would sound like a Destiny's Child song"
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169. "how do you feel about cody's bitch im broke?"
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Wed Oct-27-04 01:48 AM

what you think about sa ra's bitch song, is what i feel about cody randomly, completely pointlessly, needlessly inserting the thank you bitches line in serve this royalty (never mind bitch im broke, where theres a certain glee to the word and cussing the woman out). in STR, it really did sound like it was just thrown in for the sake of it.

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170. "not my favorite song, but it was still kinda funny"
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it's not the same as "be my bitch" because the "bitch" ain't the punchline... it was part of it, but the alleged brokeness was more the joke.

it sounded like something Richard Pryor would say, rather than a diminished version of a P-Funk lyric

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171. "cody's always golden huh?"
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lol

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172. "i have loads of criticism for Cody"
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but he's still head and shoulders above a lot of cats, as far as i'm concerned.

these Lesson haters have a hard time accepting that because Cody tends to worship at the altar of The Faces and The Animals rather than at the shrine of P-Funk and Sly Stone. that's cool.

that much being said, if i was gonna edit THM into a single disc, "bitch i'm broke" would be one of the first songs i cut. but it's still kinda funny. i mean, the verses? come on...

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173. "i still think its 60s vs 70s preferences"
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i always hear 70s stuff like stevie, EWF or p-funk or all the gigantic funk bands of the 70s mentioned on okp, i dont really see much love for stax, motown, earlier R&B, solomon burke (who you were sort of right about, sounding quite like a country singer) or any of that here. and from what i know, cody is as much a fan of 60s R&B and soul as he is of 60s R&R, though it might be a bit more on the latter.

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174. "exactly."
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160. ""DOWNTOWN" ROCKS THOUGH !"
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162. "indeed it does."
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164. "the hottest tracks, number to number:"
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5, 8, 10, 11, 12.

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165. "i don't think it's part of the 17 tracks demo"
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it was played on Gilles Peterson show..

AND IT ROCKS

it's even better than those tracks you and me like..

lol

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166. "that's the kind of track i want to hear more of"
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198. "RE: I'm out to make the city mine"
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is everyone bumping the one from the benji b show or is there a non-radio version floating around?

Waiting 4:
Hezekiah - Hurry Up + Wait
Sa-Ra - TBA
Common - Be
Bugz In The Attic - Remixes Collection

In Rotation:
Zap Mama - Yelling Away: Hezekiah
Sa-Ra - Just Like A Baby
Roy Davis Jr. - Gabrielle
Ammoncontact - One In An Infinity......
Alchemist - Boost the Crime Rate

t's built on UNIX and is fully backwards
compatable � because Apple controls
the hardware AND software. That's one
reason i still fuck with Mac: I'm paying
for something that's been engineered
from top to bottom by the same
company - dhalgren718

i ain't never seen that many white tees
in one setting even DC bammas will
rock a jersey or sumthing over the
tee... philly cats own stock in hanes -
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175. "all i want to know is"
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who is releasing the 'glorious' single?

i know ubiquity is dropping death of a star in nov, but what about the glorious one? is it out yet?

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176. "RE: ABB-Soul"
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http://www.abbsoul.com/

Waiting 4:
Hezekiah - Hurry Up + Wait
Sa-Ra - TBA
Common - Be
Bugz In The Attic - Remixes Collection

In Rotation:
Zap Mama - Yelling Away: Hezekiah
Sa-Ra - Just Like A Baby
Roy Davis Jr. - Gabrielle
Ammoncontact - One In An Infinity......
Alchemist - Boost the Crime Rate

t's built on UNIX and is fully backwards
compatable � because Apple controls
the hardware AND software. That's one
reason i still fuck with Mac: I'm paying
for something that's been engineered
from top to bottom by the same
company - dhalgren718

i ain't never seen that many white tees
in one setting even DC bammas will
rock a jersey or sumthing over the
tee... philly cats own stock in hanes -
kec

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177. "already checked that"
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supposed to have dropped yesterday and they give sites but only hiphopsite has it listed and its still listed as 'release date tba'

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178. "What I have come to learn is Cody HAS been 'delivered'."
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After talking to him on more than one occasion, hearing him live and newer material, observing him with his fans and listeners, it's clear to me that the "bitch i'm broke" days are behind him, and he's found a much more divine inspiration in his music and his lyrics.

I doubt if we will ever hear those few 'type' tracks from Headphone Masterpiece again.

but i'll still cherish them.

(havent heard Sa-Ra yet tho) sounds interesting.

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179. "is that why"
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he ain't singing "look good in leather" live no more?

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180. "god doesnt like cowskin?"
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182. "lol, he did tell me he doesn't eat pork."
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while I was eating a big dog at the vendor outside after his show
i think he settled on some chicken.

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185. "could be..."
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>he ain't singing "look good in leather" live no more?

like I said it's just my personal observation, and I wish I had more to go on, but that's a good observation (but how do u know)...

i'm thinkin' he may pull them out on rare occasions, but right now seems he has bigger things on his agenda, ja know.

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197. "this post is a monster"
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201. "yes"
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...a child is born with no state of mind, blind to the ways of mankind, god is smilin' on you and frownin' too, because only god knows what you gonna do...�melle mel

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206. "both should be archived."
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on some heard-it-first-here sh^t.

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211. "they will be"
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i gotta make sure that atrueheads doesn't drop off the page......

& it will not be removed, unlike my "julez santana is the future post was

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250. "frontpage (on some ghostmoderator sh^t)."
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from page 10, yo.

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253. "stop it jehan"
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i gotta chive it

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199. "if I'm Sa Ra..."
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I'd be pretty happy about getting so much attention ...without releasing an album....

kind of like all of those Made men advertisements in the Source before they released an album....lol..but with there actually being a legitimate reason for the hype.

very much looking forward to the Sa Ra official album...

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203. "quiet as it's kept..."
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i feel Afkap on this one...

but ironically, what he's saying is to some extent an indictment of both him and Warren. there's a lot of hypocrisy w/ the SaRa fans i've been seeing...

1) slamming NERD for the lack of musicianship displayed when most of these pre-album SaRa tracks have very little musicianship to my ear. yeah, they're complex (as in filled w/ much sound). but that doesn't make them evidence of musical talent...NERD make great music on very little musical ability. SaRa may have ability, but so far it's not being displayed...so they definitely on a level playing field w/ Chad & Skateboard P.

2) slamming Cody for his obscenity/profanity/whatever-y, & yet heartily embracing SaRa's (albeit enjoyable) crassness? it DEFINITELY is an image thing here, cuz the strongest argument Warren's given has been "Cody sounds corny doing it. SaRa doesnt" which is ridiculous to me 'cuz even the very statements SaRa have been using sound corny in themselves...there's no artifice, no art at all in lines like that...it's a blatant translation from reality to art, to the point where one would wonder if such lyricism IS art. Cody tries to do things w/ language. as a writer, as a poet, i appreciate that heartily...SaRa just takes pillowtalk & puts it to music. now if that's yr thing, cool (i'm definitely feeling SOME of these tracks, so i ain't here to complain), but don't call Cody corny for actually using his brain rather than his phallus to come up w/ lyrics...

please.

& let's dispense w/ the "oh, it's not a real album" talk, b/c like it has already been mentioned, these are songs they made of their own volition & made to completion, to the extent that they perform them in public & endorse them as uninhibited products of their own work.

it's definitely valid to draw comparisons...

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214. "RE: quiet as it's kept..."
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>i feel Afkap on this one...
>
>but ironically, what he's saying is to some extent an
>indictment of both him and Warren. there's a lot of
>hypocrisy w/ the SaRa fans i've been seeing...
>
>1) slamming NERD for the lack of musicianship displayed when
>most of these pre-album SaRa tracks have very little
>musicianship to my ear. yeah, they're complex (as in filled
>w/ much sound). but that doesn't make them evidence of
>musical talent...NERD make great music on very little
>musical ability. SaRa may have ability, but so far it's not
>being displayed...so they definitely on a level playing
>field w/ Chad & Skateboard P.

I thought Fly or Die was a great album...I still listen to it on the regular. If there was ever any thing negative I said about Nerd's first album....well for one I didn't like it very much....certainly not as much as this album. But the other thing...Af was acting as if their first album was like one of the greatest albums ever...making some pretty wild comparisons....so anything negative I said about them...was in response to some outrageous claims about an average album.

>
>2) slamming Cody for his obscenity/profanity/whatever-y, &
>yet heartily embracing SaRa's (albeit enjoyable) crassness?
>it DEFINITELY is an image thing here, cuz the strongest
>argument Warren's given has been "Cody sounds corny doing
>it. SaRa doesnt" which is ridiculous to me 'cuz even the
>very statements SaRa have been using sound corny in
>themselves..

agin...it's not the profanity that I was critisizig Cody for...the profanity was just part of the example of the real critisism.....his corny pretentious sounding lyrics. Corny, pretenious sounding lyrics is the critism....the examples of this involve some profanity.

Now again...I haven't got a problem with Cody...his album was alright. ......but when someone is again making just completely outrageous statements about an average album....my response is going to seem like an attack on the artist, but it's not....it's just a counter to the craziness of saying the guy is a savior for soul music....the last of the real bluesmen....a better song writer then Prince.....again...i'm not going to give any new artist that much dap....

Pretty much about Sa-Ra...all i've said is their funky...and their sound is a refershing change from what's going on now...I didn't come on here saying that Sa-Ra is better then P-funk...Sa-Ra is the second coming....or when I was saying I liked Martin Luther's music much better than Cody's...I wasn't saying Martin Luther was the next Jimi Hendrix...(like someone said about Cody)......I mean I ain't that easy....If I like it I like it...but an artist has a loooooooooooooong way to go before I start putting them in that type of status.

.there's no artifice, no art at all in lines
>like that...it's a blatant translation from reality to art,
>to the point where one would wonder if such lyricism IS art.

one person's art is another person's boo-boo.....whatis art and what is not is totally 1000% Subjective.

>Cody tries to do things w/ language. as a writer, as a poet,
>i appreciate that heartily..

that's fine. What he's trying to do with language on occasion has come across as pretentious and corny. Seems out of place in the general picture of what he's doing. But that's just me...again to someone else it may seem like genius.

.SaRa just takes pillowtalk &
>puts it to music. now if that's yr thing, cool (i'm
>definitely feeling SOME of these tracks, so i ain't here to
>complain), but don't call Cody corny for actually using his
>brain rather than his phallus to come up w/ lyrics...

wait a minute..Cody Chestnutt seems to be friggin obsessed with his phallus on some of them songs. And yes...I'm calling it corny...because it sounds corny to me...the manner in which he's doing it sounds pretentious....being that I was not present when the man made the music, I can't tell you what he used ..but whatever he used.....to me...it was cornball. Now again, I am but one person with an opinion....some others I've discussed Cody's music with share my opinion...others do not. Again...what's deep lines to one..is rubbish to another. That's just how it goes. Cody's a talented cat...maybe the next album will be one that I like more....

>
>please.
>
>& let's dispense w/ the "oh, it's not a real album" talk,
>b/c like it has already been mentioned, these are songs they
>made of their own volition & made to completion

hold it a second. You're assuming that they made them to completion. This is the problem. Folks are accepting something...because they want to...not because they know it's true. If even the artists themselves have told you that this is not an album...and these aren't complete songs...and some of what is on there has been sold to other artists...Why would you insist on believing other wise?

I have like a bazillion Prince bootlegs that have been released as if they were complete albums....songs on those albums have surfaced on actual Prince recordings, or on albums of other artists....what good would it have done to judge the demo....

I would be like comparing the Voodoo tour concert to the Prince Sign of the times rehersal CDs.....saying, "Prince stopped the song during the begining and told the band to pay attention....D'Angelo didn't do that in concert" one is an actual Concert and one is a rehersal....

it's just not the same thing....and it's based on an assumption "the songs were completed" that is just not true....

, to the
>extent that they perform them in public & endorse them as
>uninhibited products of their own work.

>it's definitely valid to draw comparisons...

comparing demos and completed officially releasd albums are not a valid comparison...and are only being made now by folks that wish to pour some water on the heat that Sa-Ra is generating with the CDrs that are circulating...

when their album is released, we can compare it to Headphone masterpiece, or whatever else

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208. "i just listened to the lyrics of 'downtown'"
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which of all the songs I�ve heard is probably my favorite. when afrobongo sent it to me I said that I liked it because it sounded so deliciously decadent and coke-addled. I got that just from listening to the music, y�know?

now I took time to listen to the words and they�re actually singing about doing cocaine in a fairly prosaic fashion� maybe it�s just me (and it probably is) but that kinda spoils it for me

the music speaks volumes� I think they should let it continue to do so

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213. "youre just mad someone stole your last line"
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lol

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215. "hmm...which song"
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is downtown....I don't really know the titles of the songs on the CDr...and I'm thinking ....don't recall anything about doing Coke....but again I wasn't listening for it....

Hum a few bars of that song so I know which one you're talking about ...

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216. "it's not on the CDR"
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but i think it was on the Gilles show... or the Benji B. i'll email it to you. inbox me the address to send it to

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217. "RE: Benji"
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Waiting 4:
Hezekiah - Hurry Up + Wait
Sa-Ra - TBA
Common - Be
Bugz In The Attic - Remixes Collection

In Rotation:
Zap Mama - Yelling Away: Hezekiah
Sa-Ra - Just Like A Baby
Roy Davis Jr. - Gabrielle
Ammoncontact - One In An Infinity......
Alchemist - Boost the Crime Rate

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218. "yeah i noticed that too today.."
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it didn't spoil it for me though..

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220. "i won't say it spoiled it"
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but i think it was a bit forced

the music was just fine

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226. "it was kinda ... easy"
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I have to admit I would have prefered a more ambigious way to talk about it..

but THAT SONG ROCKS !!!

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227. "it does rock... crack rocks!"
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219. "oh yeah...I remember...thanks."
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that song from the Benji show...

I don't know...folks do coke on the lower east side I guess...maybe that's just part of the vibe there....

I don't really see how the music sounds coke induced...other then the fact they mention it as part of what goes on in the downtown that their talking about...

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222. "IT SOUNDS LIKE COKE.."
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232. "what does coke sound like??"
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never heard it before.

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233. "maybe you need to party more"
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234. "warren coolidge says nope to dope"
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and ugh to drugs...

does Ray Charles What I say sound like Heroin??

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235. "no."
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>does Ray Charles What I say sound like Heroin??

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236. "booooooooooo"
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p-funk fan !

boooooooo !

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249. "the l.e.s. is cocaine alley"
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>
>I don't know...folks do coke on the lower east side I
>guess...maybe that's just part of the vibe there....
>

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225. "Who the fuck is Sa-Ra?"
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My movies: http://russellhainline.com
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241. "jumping jehosafat!"
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http://www.okayplayer.com/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=read_count&om=126084&forum=lesson&viewmode=threaded

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244. "I mean like WHO are they?"
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What songs have they done, albums, etc? I'd never heard of these cats until these two big-ass posts come outta nowhere.

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245. "funny..."
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i thought u were making a reference to a Sa-Ra song intro. i was about to say, "how clever"...but nevermind.

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251. "i thought the same thing .."
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i was finna tip my hat to homeboy ..
oh well.

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254. "wow!"
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you are representin in your signature. i love it!

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255. "you can have whatever you want .."
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and baby i don't even care.

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256. "now i'm blushing..."
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...i'm glad you dig it. more to come.

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257. "if the 2 tracks i've heard are any sign .."
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then i shall be lookin' forward to it.

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248. "did u read the link?"
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