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"Next Gen Xbox Reveal May 21"


  

          

http://www.engadget.com/2013/04/24/microsoft-announces-xbox-event-for-may-21st/

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oops...here's the swipe
Apr 24th 2013
1
I'm hoping for in-game hd audio on the next gen
Apr 24th 2013
2
New toys.
Apr 24th 2013
3
Will they have the hardware to show?
Apr 24th 2013
4
The show's in May
Apr 24th 2013
6
It's M$ they will show the Box.
Apr 25th 2013
8
Any predictions?
Apr 24th 2013
5
RE: Any predictions?
Apr 25th 2013
7
in the release they say they'll be bringing the games to E3
Apr 25th 2013
11
New Controller...
Apr 25th 2013
9
I hope the only thing different...
Apr 25th 2013
14
      it really is
Apr 25th 2013
18
           For some reason even that argument doesn't work for me.
Apr 28th 2013
30
internal HDDVD drive
Apr 25th 2013
10
It's what the people want.
Apr 25th 2013
15
LMAO...HD-DVD...LOL
Apr 26th 2013
20
lmao what a L
May 21st 2013
57
Because Orth acted like a dick.
Apr 25th 2013
12
RE: Because Orth acted like a dick.
Apr 25th 2013
16
      what?
Apr 25th 2013
17
I predict they will be heavy on merging...
Apr 25th 2013
13
i predict it's going to be a lot like a PS4.
Apr 25th 2013
19
They can't really do that.
Apr 26th 2013
21
$300 with a two years of Xbox live of cable subscription.
Apr 26th 2013
22
      Copy Steam and PS+...BLATANTLY
Apr 26th 2013
23
           XBL came first...
Apr 26th 2013
24
                I know that but
Apr 26th 2013
25
                RE: XBL came first...
Apr 26th 2013
26
                     They have to make something free.
Apr 26th 2013
27
k
Apr 27th 2013
28
Xbox already won
Apr 27th 2013
29
#Warz never changez.
Apr 28th 2013
31
lol
Apr 28th 2013
34
hello Michael Pachter
Apr 28th 2013
32
... against the Wii U
Apr 28th 2013
33
*
Apr 29th 2013
36
The Wii U will be the whooping bag this generation
May 21st 2013
159
LOL...
Apr 29th 2013
35
Illumiroom
Apr 29th 2013
37
This is cool.
Apr 29th 2013
38
I know right but it looks VERY expensive...
Apr 29th 2013
39
      Definitely a constant concern for peripherals...
Apr 29th 2013
40
Wow, that's awesome
Apr 29th 2013
41
If accurate, this might be a coup for Microsoft
Apr 30th 2013
42
a mech shooter? Show me some footage...
May 01st 2013
43
As a Sony fan, I'm started to get worried about Microsoft
May 02nd 2013
44
RE: Next Gen Xbox Reveal May 21
May 15th 2013
45
I'm hoping $299 - console, cam, controller.
May 15th 2013
46
Sony will show the hardware on the 21 as well
May 15th 2013
47
One last bit of news before the reveal
May 19th 2013
48
LOL
May 21st 2013
50
Today's the day. SHOW US THE BOX! *creepface*
May 21st 2013
49
I'm ready. 4K support too? I'm ready to preorder lol
May 21st 2013
51
I'm tryin to get facedown in some new box.
May 21st 2013
52
**MUNCH MUNCH**
May 21st 2013
53
Locked in
May 21st 2013
54
+1, Perfect avi, btw
May 21st 2013
56
      no doubt!
May 21st 2013
61
I'm ready to dive in this box
May 21st 2013
55
Xbox One, huh? Really creative MS.
May 21st 2013
58
Damn.
May 21st 2013
59
multitasking took my money already.. PS4 will prob have the same
May 21st 2013
62
yeah but at least it was kinda subtle
May 21st 2013
63
      True, but I considered the old one basically perfect (grip-wise)
May 21st 2013
65
Are those vents on top of half the console?
May 21st 2013
60
Blu-Motherfucking-Ray
May 21st 2013
64
^^^^^
May 21st 2013
67
Price predictions?
May 21st 2013
66
$450
May 21st 2013
69
$350
May 21st 2013
77
499
May 21st 2013
78
This is my guess here...
May 21st 2013
86
I'm going with this
May 21st 2013
87
$399
May 21st 2013
82
$550
May 21st 2013
114
man if i can get rid of my cable set top box....
May 21st 2013
68
your cable box plugs directly into XboxOne
May 21st 2013
71
y not just run it right through, $10 less bucks a month lol
May 21st 2013
88
how does it access your DVR???
May 21st 2013
72
      i thought the DVR was for gaming only
May 21st 2013
122
D PAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!
May 21st 2013
70
This dude said NBA Live. Ha ha.
May 21st 2013
73
NBA LIVE IS BACK!!!
May 21st 2013
74
Tell me more about this "NBA Live"
May 21st 2013
75
NBA Live???
May 21st 2013
76
Live still looks bad
May 21st 2013
80
      yup.. i wasn't impressed by any of that
May 21st 2013
81
      LOL didn't even look like kyrie smh
May 21st 2013
85
      yea, 2k it is...
May 21st 2013
89
FIFA 14 is an XBOX Exclusive?
May 21st 2013
79
i think he meant some features are xbox specific
May 21st 2013
83
the game or that particular mode?
May 21st 2013
84
nope.
May 21st 2013
91
Still waiting to hear backwards compatible.
May 21st 2013
90
guess you'll be waiting then.
May 21st 2013
92
i wouldnt expect to hear that
May 21st 2013
93
Well I'm just gonna have to get both.
May 21st 2013
94
Goodell still sucks
May 21st 2013
95
somewhat annoyed by the lack of actual game footage
May 21st 2013
96
Probably at E3
May 21st 2013
98
i figure, but even Sony will show you some leaves blowing in the wind
May 21st 2013
102
only thing people gonna do is pick the shit apart
May 21st 2013
109
live sports is the singular reason i have a cable box in my man cave
May 21st 2013
97
Live sports is a big deal for cord cutters like me.
May 21st 2013
100
      i wish i could actually use League Pass
May 21st 2013
105
           RE: i wish i could actually use League Pass
May 22nd 2013
241
                ^^^^ i use that too... best website EVER
May 23rd 2013
260
Original exclusive content push, mobile tie-in...
May 21st 2013
99
Indeed, I'm pretty impressed so far.
May 21st 2013
103
      It's a complete digital entertainment hub
May 21st 2013
108
That cod thing may pull in a lot of fans
May 21st 2013
101
I just want it to look even better. Can't wait
May 21st 2013
104
      It has to do more than look better for me
May 21st 2013
107
      Honestly...
May 21st 2013
112
      It can be arcade but still more tactical
May 21st 2013
117
           Pinging maps I can see.
May 21st 2013
126
                Same here, and for example
May 21st 2013
130
                     Those ideas sound fantastic.
May 21st 2013
134
                          Shit had me wanting to make a game now lol
May 21st 2013
138
      I just don't want tactical to end up being everyone hiding
May 21st 2013
115
           i actually like that shit tho
May 21st 2013
120
      NIGGA YOU SEE THAT TREE! THATS A ILL TREE!
May 21st 2013
110
           basically. nghs still gettin wooed by realistic graphics
May 21st 2013
111
           aint no COD been boring to me yet. I just like competition
May 21st 2013
113
                This is why they don't change much in these franchises
May 21st 2013
124
                     to tell the truth all these games are the same
May 21st 2013
143
                          DARK SOULS SAYS HELLO
May 21st 2013
148
                               I know right I need to play it. I've barely touched Demon Souls too
May 21st 2013
154
           YOU WON'T BE LAUGHING WHEN THAT TREE IS WHOOPING YOUR ASS
May 21st 2013
118
                CAN I BE THE DOG THO!!!!
May 21st 2013
121
another COD? new AND interesting!
May 21st 2013
106
This makes me want to just ebay my Wii U today lol
May 21st 2013
116
as you should...do it now
May 21st 2013
141
still leaning toward a PS4, but Xbox has my ear again
May 21st 2013
119
base
May 21st 2013
125
I told y'all Microsoft was coming with that Death Star.
May 21st 2013
123
You'll see more about games at E3
May 21st 2013
128
my god, that hardware is fucking hideous
May 21st 2013
127
^^^ dramatic
May 21st 2013
132
why does that even matter?
May 21st 2013
133
      He'll be fine once they release a Hello Kitty skin for it
May 21st 2013
135
      That's what I'm saying.
May 21st 2013
137
           what part of that looks contemporary?
May 21st 2013
156
                it looks like the cable box that it's trying to be.
May 21st 2013
163
                My bad, I fat fingered "complementary".
May 21st 2013
165
                     agreed
May 21st 2013
182
                          Fair enough, definitely agree with you there. n/m
May 21st 2013
196
Now that I think about it, consoles as a privacy invasion
May 21st 2013
129
XBOX One will watch you fuck
May 21st 2013
131
stream that shit and make it part of your profile. so ppl can
May 21st 2013
172
^ nerd worries
May 21st 2013
136
a camera being on me while I play...no thanks
May 21st 2013
185
Xbox One.
May 21st 2013
139
Hands on...
May 21st 2013
140
NO BC!
May 21st 2013
142
that sucks but honestly I never go back
May 21st 2013
144
      yeah it used to be a big deal but now...
May 21st 2013
145
DEALBREAKER: you really gotta pay a fee to play used games?
May 21st 2013
146
*GameFly Wept*
May 21st 2013
147
This isn't a big deal for me.
May 21st 2013
149
damn youre just happy giving all your money away on new games
May 21st 2013
152
I haven't borrowed a game from a friend since college
May 21st 2013
153
Nope.
May 21st 2013
155
nope
May 22nd 2013
212
I get most of my games off craigslist.
May 22nd 2013
242
Well shit it is for me
May 21st 2013
178
That "always on" drm working for YOU
May 21st 2013
150
its kinda lame that your XBLA games won't transfer
May 21st 2013
151
      that is bullshit, I play XBLA almost as much as major titles
May 21st 2013
193
It's been confirmed that it has to be connected to Kinect to work
May 21st 2013
157
It's being sold with Kinect included.
May 21st 2013
160
      that ain't the problem
May 23rd 2013
312
           You know you can mute the kinect?
May 23rd 2013
313
one would assume that by naming it XBOX One
May 21st 2013
158
hell I think I'm going to sell my PS3 too now
May 21st 2013
161
I have two. I might let the phat go.
May 21st 2013
162
      I definitely want to let it go before the flood gates open
May 21st 2013
166
      how much you want?
May 21st 2013
169
Microsoft is cheap.
May 21st 2013
164
so basically the biggest selling point is the fact it's copying Sonys
May 21st 2013
167
since when did Sony invent the console as a media hub?
May 21st 2013
170
Sony technically did it first
May 21st 2013
171
      So we're digging all the way back to 2006 now?
May 21st 2013
173
           the whole marketing spin for ps3 was as a media hub
May 21st 2013
175
           Home was a failure, and was a social world like Second Life
May 21st 2013
176
           uh yeah, thats when all this started
May 21st 2013
177
Seems like it
May 21st 2013
179
That's the problem with being first. Others can improve on your mistakes
May 21st 2013
189
RE: Next Gen Xbox Reveal May 21
May 21st 2013
168
The real winners are the people that can afford both
May 21st 2013
174
That was pretty much a worst case scenario come to life
May 21st 2013
180
man you couldnt GIVE me that box
May 21st 2013
181
Well how on earth are you going to switch inputs on your TV w/o it?
May 21st 2013
183
      if Sony follows their lead, i'm done w/ console gaming.
May 21st 2013
186
Why do you have to be so negative.
May 21st 2013
184
I don't watch Star Wars b/c Spielburg didn't do it. I only watch Halo.
May 21st 2013
187
LOL. dude, no one gives a fuck about BC
May 21st 2013
188
      RE: LOL. dude, no one gives a fuck about BC
May 21st 2013
190
      I don't give a fuck about BC, but other people definitely want to see it
May 21st 2013
195
      So wait, let me get this straight.
May 21st 2013
197
           #dealwithit
May 21st 2013
198
      Eh...I would like to get rid of some of the hardware in my house...
May 28th 2013
381
           oh no one's saying it's not nice to have
May 28th 2013
387
they say anything about BC on peripherals?
May 21st 2013
191
Well, Angry Joe is well......angry
May 21st 2013
192
Yeah, I like Angry Joe but that was 100% emotional
May 21st 2013
194
THEY DONE FUCKED IT UP! ! !...*pulls hair*(c)Angry Joe
May 22nd 2013
249
Controllers still require double A batteries.
May 21st 2013
199
Deal breaker
May 21st 2013
200
LOL
May 23rd 2013
285
i never expected otherwise.
May 21st 2013
201
I rarely play my xbox, and for some reason when i decide to the batterie...
May 21st 2013
202
wait, there are people who DON'T use the rechargeable packs?
May 22nd 2013
209
People are LOOKING for things to be mad at.
May 22nd 2013
210
had it since day 1
May 22nd 2013
213
yeah WTF
May 22nd 2013
215
Are XBox controllers $55 like DualShocks are?
May 22nd 2013
216
Man, I completely forgot they even used batteries. n/m
May 22nd 2013
231
^^^This
May 22nd 2013
239
i learned my lesson fuck that
May 23rd 2013
278
i buy rechargeable aa and aaa from amazon
May 24th 2013
316
From what I understand...
May 22nd 2013
217
No Self-Publishing on the X1. And the Ls keep rolling in.
May 21st 2013
203
Hmm.
May 21st 2013
204
The next console war pits living room against cloud (swipe)
May 21st 2013
205
Eh. I may pick up M$'s console this go round
May 21st 2013
206
PS4, here I come
May 21st 2013
207
you know good and well you can't go without COD
May 21st 2013
208
      Ande has reset his stats and is taking his gaming to PS4..
May 22nd 2013
221
           he's already logged 1 whole day back tho lol
May 22nd 2013
227
May be already asked but....
May 22nd 2013
211
games tied to your acct
May 22nd 2013
214
the more I read the more I want a PS4.
May 22nd 2013
218
Can't think of a better time to eject entirely from console gaming.
May 22nd 2013
219
It's poor execution and so many gray areas.
May 22nd 2013
223
The PS4 has a 50 percent more powerful GPU (Swipe)
May 22nd 2013
220
I can do this with my computer right now.
May 22nd 2013
222
      See that's the thing...I don't want to do all that on my console
May 22nd 2013
224
           Yeah... it's adding features we never wanted in a console.
May 22nd 2013
226
                They are adding these features because there's nowhere else to go.
May 22nd 2013
230
                     ^^^
May 22nd 2013
246
***PIC OF XBOX ONE FOCUS GROUP TESTING***
May 22nd 2013
225
lol
May 22nd 2013
232
Interesting interview conducted by Adam Sessler
May 22nd 2013
228
Tech analysis
May 22nd 2013
229
man...Sony already won and next gen isnt even here yet
May 22nd 2013
233
BRUH!
May 22nd 2013
251
      hahahahahaha......exactly.
May 23rd 2013
266
there's gonna be a lot of crow eatin if this shit works
May 22nd 2013
234
It doesn't matter what the actual sales numbers are...
May 22nd 2013
235
i aint talking about numbers per se
May 22nd 2013
238
      It's still about the games.
May 22nd 2013
244
nah it basically means they screwed over consumers
May 22nd 2013
243
Funny to read this and see people up in arms
May 22nd 2013
236
It's prob just the broke ass folks upset
May 22nd 2013
240
Ppl get mad cause they feel they have no choice.
May 22nd 2013
247
      why do you HAVE to
May 23rd 2013
255
           That's what I'm saying.
May 23rd 2013
268
This maybe an overall comment I will make, but
May 22nd 2013
237
Dis where I'm at....
May 22nd 2013
252
ok why do people do this? why sway it in this direction?
May 23rd 2013
256
      PS4 emphasized your game experience in the cloud.
May 23rd 2013
259
           so are these facts enough to base opinion?
May 23rd 2013
262
                Are you listening to yourself right now?
May 23rd 2013
265
                     im not arguing opinions
May 23rd 2013
270
                          It's typical fanboy shit.
May 23rd 2013
271
Last gen was SD to HD.
May 23rd 2013
254
it will take probably 5 years to see a true delta...i agree
May 24th 2013
354
so if I have 3 kids...they EACH have to buy a game or only have one prof...
May 22nd 2013
245
Sell off 2 of them kids, goofnugget.
May 22nd 2013
248
Yes. ball out nigga
May 22nd 2013
250
how many copies do you buy now?
May 22nd 2013
253
http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18ogx2rnt6521jpg/ku-xlarge.jpg
May 23rd 2013
257
http://i.minus.com/iBzvb2JSpQNRM.gif
May 23rd 2013
258
LMAO AWESOME
May 23rd 2013
261
ok so after reading all the gripes
May 23rd 2013
263
PS4 has a better GPU
May 23rd 2013
264
Ha. Do ppl really think that?
May 23rd 2013
267
Yeah, but Sony hit you with a bunch of useless additions to gaming
May 23rd 2013
277
RE: Ha. Do ppl really think that?
May 23rd 2013
282
so how is ps4 gunning hard then?
May 23rd 2013
269
*Answers*
May 23rd 2013
273
You're discounting PS4's announcement.
May 23rd 2013
274
      from what i heard them talk about,
May 23rd 2013
280
           I don't believe you can watch live streams on Xbox.
May 23rd 2013
283
PS3 had more power than 360 but it didn't make a difference
May 23rd 2013
272
Dude, half these guys don't have HD TV's.
May 23rd 2013
275
you're discounting the fact that the PS3 was hard to develop for
May 24th 2013
322
E3 is around the corner
May 23rd 2013
276
LOL. there hasn't been shit confirmed
May 23rd 2013
291
I think a lot of people are jumping to conclusions
May 23rd 2013
279
      really thats where i am
May 23rd 2013
281
* *Slow claps* *
May 23rd 2013
310
Hollander Cooper says all that needs to be said about One
May 23rd 2013
284
there is literally no way to plea cop this shit. NONE.
May 23rd 2013
286
they ain't getting my $
May 23rd 2013
288
      yea i'm not clear what they mean with that....
May 24th 2013
323
*Attempts to defend this fuckboy BS*
May 23rd 2013
297
How would you quantify "psychic benefit", exactly?
May 23rd 2013
301
      Psychic benefit is 28 percent of the value of product or service.
May 23rd 2013
305
This doesn't concern me.
May 23rd 2013
298
      RE: This doesn't concern me.
May 23rd 2013
302
      I'm hoping more info comes out this summer.
May 23rd 2013
304
      I'm with you -- used games are for the weak
May 24th 2013
315
      do you buy games that were released 2-3 yrs ago?
May 24th 2013
324
people do realize E3 is only like a couple weeks away tho right?
May 23rd 2013
287
Nah, they should have shown SOMETHING
May 23rd 2013
289
well it must be if you say so
May 23rd 2013
290
IVE GOT RECIEPTS
May 23rd 2013
299
RE: well it must be if you say so
May 26th 2013
364
they didn't show games because they're behind schedule
May 23rd 2013
292
I'd agree if they had shown this in March
May 23rd 2013
294
Right.
May 24th 2013
326
Didnt the PS3 get shit for attempting to be the all in one
May 23rd 2013
293
RE: Didnt the PS3 get shit for attempting to be the all in one
May 23rd 2013
300
no it got shat on because 599 USD, "giant enemy crab"
May 23rd 2013
307
one thing I do want to know is the kind of video file support
May 23rd 2013
295
Swipe from Penny Arcade RE: Used Games
May 23rd 2013
296
If they let the developers have a say in price level...
May 23rd 2013
303
      so basically "if this obvious Steam rip-off ends up like Steam..."
May 24th 2013
314
           yep. nobodys screaming about used games on Steam or iOS.
May 24th 2013
318
           Umm... I think you misread me.
May 24th 2013
321
Lol @ the dumb shit goin on in here
May 23rd 2013
306
yeah the back and forth makes me no difference
May 23rd 2013
309
After finally seeing the press conference, I totally get all the anger
May 23rd 2013
308
^^^Truthiness
May 24th 2013
320
you're missing out then bro, your lost
May 24th 2013
325
lmao
May 24th 2013
336
LOL
May 24th 2013
343
Interesting New Yorker article
May 23rd 2013
311
.
May 24th 2013
317
RE: Next Gen Xbox Reveal May 21
May 24th 2013
319
yea i think it's obvious what's motivating this move
May 24th 2013
328
This whole conversation is just so fucking stupid.
May 24th 2013
327
i agree with this
May 24th 2013
329
You'd figure people on here would know better
May 24th 2013
330
I'm enjoying it.
May 24th 2013
332
Oh you wanted console wars, CONSOLE WARS HERE NOW SEE
May 24th 2013
338
      lol dying.
May 24th 2013
341
      lmao
May 27th 2013
373
a little more info on trade in program
May 24th 2013
331
Ha. By the time this happens...
May 24th 2013
333
Ugh. This will drive prices up.
May 24th 2013
334
not only that but me and you cant sell our used games on ebay
May 24th 2013
337
      ^^^^THIS
May 24th 2013
346
god, fuck Microsoft
May 24th 2013
335
lolllllll
May 24th 2013
344
what if Sony does this too?
May 24th 2013
345
      SPM: "Nobody buys used games young bul."
May 24th 2013
348
      i'd rock the 360 till the shit broke down then......
May 24th 2013
355
I don't believe it... they can't
May 24th 2013
339
RE: a little more info on trade in program
May 24th 2013
340
      makes sense....
May 24th 2013
342
           IMO it's the death knell for Gamestop, and M$ is just
May 24th 2013
347
                RE: IMO it's the death knell for Gamestop, and M$ is just
May 24th 2013
349
                probably because they're waiting for Sony to say it too at E3
May 24th 2013
350
                     While I wouldn't doubt Sony is planning something similar...
May 24th 2013
352
                          lol @ "its only fair when sony does it" mentality
May 27th 2013
367
                               Did you even read the posts before it?
May 27th 2013
369
                Gamestop is on its last leg
May 24th 2013
353
Till I saw IGN, I didn't realize this - One4U
May 24th 2013
351
I'm just checking in to say I ain't ever paid more than $20
May 25th 2013
356
I stopped getting used games because of PC gaming.
May 25th 2013
357
Same. Used console games are too expensive - I just do Steam etc.
May 25th 2013
358
When GTA5 drops...
May 25th 2013
359
because I have money?
May 27th 2013
376
as a kid i spent 20 in the arcade over a given weekend...
May 28th 2013
389
GameStop stock drops 19 percent in one week (swipe)
May 25th 2013
360
what incentive does MS have to be steam instead of origin?
May 25th 2013
361
My real and honest thoughts.
May 26th 2013
362
death of console gaming
May 26th 2013
363
RE: Next Gen Xbox Reveal May 21
May 26th 2013
365
please stop posting
May 27th 2013
366
RE: please stop posting
May 27th 2013
368
Wow.
May 27th 2013
370
lol @ Microsoft no longer existing as a company
May 27th 2013
371
RE: lol @ Microsoft no longer existing as a company
May 27th 2013
372
Did people just stop using computers or something?
May 27th 2013
374
and also, the idea of there being a future with non-ubiquitous internet.
May 28th 2013
378
Y'ALL SEE THIS???
May 27th 2013
375
RE: Y'ALL SEE THIS???
May 28th 2013
379
so, most of OKP doesn't care about archiving games, eh?
May 28th 2013
382
It's not about not caring about archiving...
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RE: It's not about not caring about archiving...
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      What do PSX and PS2 games have to do with anything?
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           RE: What do PSX and PS2 games have to do with anything?
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                Stop switching your argument.
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                     RE: Stop switching your argument.
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                          But you already did, lol
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are you fucking kidding me?
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      6 months? Hell I had some I couldn't get to work a week after xmas
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      how about out the damn box not working!
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           ^^^that's that struggle
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      RE: are you fucking kidding me?
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You still mad at Ebert? Go fuck yourself.
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i can think of a couple times when no live conn. prevented dlc on my 360
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What do you get in exchange for this "not that bad" policy?
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^^^^^^^Not a baller
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if it was the 360 you downloaded it on
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      oh there's a way to get it to work?
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Microsoft Wont Talk TV at E3 (swipe)
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makes sense. they already got that out the way last week
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      yeah, they said all along that the reveal was to show off the hardware
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           5 years ago, Netflix didn't even do unlimited streaming yet
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                you really don't know that the things you say
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                     you're getting old. That was too tame a reply by you
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Xbox One online requirements detailed, needs to connect every 24 hours (...
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Just provide a service gamers want.
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Engadget: XboxOne: MS won't charge fee for used game, online check in e...
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RE: Engadget: XboxOne: MS won't charge fee for used game, online check i...
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Someone needs to go on a WallySmithesque warpath about this.
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If they do, then they'd have to be right.
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ball's in your court Sony
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they're about to announce the same thing in a few days lol
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RE: they're about to announce the same thing in a few days lol
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No way.
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      you're pretty good at throwing out arbitrary numbers
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      seriously, how old are you?
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           Real talk, he's 26.
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Basically.
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You don't think Sony got the same thing planned?
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I guess I'm the only person who doesn't care
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Here's the details straight from XBOX website.
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I found the Angry Joe nerd rage... (Link)
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I am glad tho that my household will be able to share games
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still need details on how playing games w/in a household works
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      From post 418:
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           no I'm aware of that.
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                that's what I'm saying. A conference+release and I'm still confused.
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                I doubt it's all lined up yet
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                Ohhh word, I hear you.
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                That's true. Hopefully it's what I'm hoping for
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so now that we have details
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I think the biggest unknown is keeping the retailer in the loop.
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      I think there are some real opportunities
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           RE: I think there are some real opportunities
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           if I can add access to an xbox at my parents' house...
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           m'saying
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           RE: m'saying
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           You can already do that on your 360 if you buy the game digitally
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                dude
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           RE: if I can add access to an xbox at my parents' house...
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                good lawd. They wouldn't man
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                I'm not an only child, genius
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           LOLZ. Ya downloading 8 gig games to play over hotel wifi
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                waiting an hour or two for a game to download ! not having it at all
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Interesting read on indie dev's opinions on next gen consoles
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God damn, Polygon went in on Xbox One (swipe)
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I love it. We will find out more at E3
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smh, good point about this affecting poor people
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      yeah, I'm selling my PS3 and games to a buddy this fall
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lmao wtf?
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#1reasonwhy ?
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that's not confusing at all
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      I'm actually hyped up for this machine
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$499? Nah.
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I'm budgeting $1500 for this fall for Xbox One and PS4
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      Ghosts MP better be REALLY good...
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I know it's paranoid shit, but it's privacy issues that resonate w/ me
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Announced on the same day that PRISM broke, haha...
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Seriously, I def don't like that at all
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so you'll buy the console that just has the camera as an add-on
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      RE: so you'll buy the console that just has the camera as OPTIONAL
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1. "oops...here's the swipe"
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What many suspected was coming has indeed happened: Microsoft just confirmed an upcoming Xbox event on May 21st, which we expect to be focused on the company's next-gen Xbox console (informally codenamed Durango). The company isn't diving into specifics at this stage, but the event is taking place on its own Xbox campus and should offer a "real taste of the future," according to Xbox Live programming director Larry Hryb. Don't worry too much that Microsoft will completely upstage E3, which happens just a few weeks later -- Hryb also promises that his firm "continue the conversation" at the show, focusing its attention on its game lineup. Players will have a chance to stream the event through both Microsoft's services (including Xbox Live) and Spike TV, but you can be sure we'll be on the ground to share the news first-hand.

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2. "I'm hoping for in-game hd audio on the next gen"
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can't wait to preorder both new systems. So looking forward to something new.

  

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3. "New toys."
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Always fun.

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4. "Will they have the hardware to show? "
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Or will they pull a Sony?

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6. "The show's in May"
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I think they'll have the hardware to show by then. IMO, Sony really dropped the ball by having that presentation and not even showing the hardware. That was kinda ridiculous. They should have waited until everything was ready.

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8. "It's M$ they will show the Box."
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5. "Any predictions?"
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I think it'll be always online. Some people say they may have been testing the waters with these rumors, but if that were true, why fire Adam Orth? There were also rumors that the reason the reveal was pushed from April to May was because it originally was always online, but after the outcry Microsoft decided not to implement it, but when you're ostensibly 7 months away from releasing a console would you really be able remove such a feature. I'm sure their factory overseas has been producing the console since January, if not earlier.

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7. "RE: Any predictions?"
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Name
Light on specs
Launch window titles, little in-game footage
Maybe controller pics

They'll probably go harder on game footage and have playable units at E3.

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11. "in the release they say they'll be bringing the games to E3"
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I suspect this will be all about Kinect 2.0, the New New New Xbox Experience and social media partnerships.


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9. "New Controller..."
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similar yet different.

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14. "I hope the only thing different..."
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is that damn d-pad. The 360 controller is perfect (to me) otherwise, though.

  

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18. "it really is"
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I hated on it until I got a 360. Only ones that complain about it are those little petite guys that cant hold the damn thing in their little girly hands.

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30. "For some reason even that argument doesn't work for me. "
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Anecdotal, sure, but even my 5'1", 105lb wife has zero issues with the controller, and she can play for hours.

The old Xbox controller was fucking gargantuan though.

  

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10. "internal HDDVD drive"
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15. "It's what the people want."
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20. "LMAO...HD-DVD...LOL"
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57. "lmao what a L"
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12. "Because Orth acted like a dick."
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>but if that were
>true, why fire Adam Orth?

And it was below the standards of M$'s social media policy?

Also somebody on Reddit screencapped it.

*Shrug*

I mean. Don't talk about real or implied stuff about something that hasn't been announced yet especially when it's under wraps. But it ain't help that he was acting pretty snooty at the same time.


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16. "RE: Because Orth acted like a dick."
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Perhaps, but after the visceral hatred that the internet had for always online, why didn't Microsoft shut down those rumors? And don't say it's because the console hasn't been announced yet. They have people in PR whose sole purpose is to react to stuff like this. The CEO could've made a vague statement like, "Making an always online console doesn't seem like a smart idea." But they haven't said shit and as we all know: a non-denial is the same as a confirmation.

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17. "what?"
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13. "I predict they will be heavy on merging..."
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merging home entertainment even more. Further than netflix, etc. Maybe a built in streaming port? Make things easier and more plug and play. Just speculations though, wishful thinking.

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19. "i predict it's going to be a lot like a PS4."
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21. "They can't really do that."
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They have to show us, the consumer, a compelling reason why their box is a better value than Sony's.

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22. "$300 with a two years of Xbox live of cable subscription."
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I expect persistent Xbox live experience across phones, tablets, and pcs.

I want an entirely gesture and voice based experience. I shouldn't have to use a controller at all until it comes time to play the game.

The next box needs to come in under 4.5 pounds. Tablets have made demand smaller sizes.

I want free games as a future subscription holder.

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23. "Copy Steam and PS+...BLATANTLY"
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Free games and discounts WITH XBL...

STEAL ALL OF SONY/VALVES IDEAS...

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24. "XBL came first..."
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... I wouldn't say copy so much as gain inspiration from Steam/PS+. If you want to me to keep it even more 100, at least make Netflix free for everyone.

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25. "I know that but"
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PS+ has it beat on the "free" games offering side. Steal that.

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26. "RE: XBL came first..."
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>... I wouldn't say copy so much as gain inspiration from
>Steam/PS+. If you want to me to keep it even more 100, at
>least make Netflix free for everyone.

Nigga i said predictions, not your fantasy console

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27. "They have to make something free."
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Those are predictions.

My fantasy console has blu-ray, free online, and a solid network.

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28. "k"
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29. "Xbox already won"
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<fannin the flamez>

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31. "#Warz never changez."
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34. "lol"
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32. "hello Michael Pachter"
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33. "... against the Wii U"
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Now would be the appropriate time to come out at E3 and say a football in Madden has more memory than the Wii U's entire system.

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159. "The Wii U will be the whooping bag this generation"
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The one thing both sides of the fence can agree on lulz

  

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37. "Illumiroom"
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http://www.theverge.com/2013/4/29/4281228/microsoft-illumiroom-table-projector-for-next-xbox

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38. "This is cool. "
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39. "I know right but it looks VERY expensive..."
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how are they going to make this affordable? Build a cheap projector into the kinect? have kinect be two devices? One in front and one *pause* behind...

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40. "Definitely a constant concern for peripherals... "
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The potential applications for it are immense though (with a proper setup).

Also a question to see if devs will support it too, but if this can gain traction it can be pretty sweet.

  

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41. "Wow, that's awesome"
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42. "If accurate, this might be a coup for Microsoft"
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http://www.gamesradar.com/respawns-first-game-rumoured-be-xbox-exclusive/

Respawn’s first game rumoured to be Xbox exclusive

Call of Duty creators’ project said to be an online mech shooter

Words: Tom Ivan 10 hours, 21 minutes ago

The first game from Respawn Entertainment is rumoured be exclusive to Xbox 360 and Microsoft’s next-gen console. While the California-based studio has largely kept the project under wraps since it was founded in 2010 by two Call of Duty co-creators - one of whom has since departed - the new IP is a “sci-fi oriented shooter” set to be published by EA.

The game is rumoured to be called Titan and is in line for an appearance at E3 in June, but if the latest report concerning its target platforms is on the money, it may well be unveiled alongside Microsoft’s next-gen Xbox at a reveal event scheduled for May 21. One Kotaku source claims the game will be exclusive to the next-gen Xbox, while another says Respawn is also outsourcing development of an Xbox 360 version. While it’s possible that the title could be a timed exclusive that eventually launches on other platforms, neither source indicated that this was the case.

The new game is reportedly being made using a modified version of Valve's Source engine. It is said to be a multiplayer-centric shooter that probably won’t feature a single-player campaign. Players will allegedly choose to join one of two warring factions, both of which can pilot giant, agile mechs – Titans - that can be brought down by foot soldiers.

Kotaku’s sources also claim that Microsoft has been aggressively seeking to sign exclusive third party content for the next-gen Xbox. One says that the platform holder is as much as six months behind schedule in producing games for the console, and that Microsoft recently cancelled several internal projects that weren’t shaping up as planned. Respawn, EA and Microsoft have yet to offer comment on the report.

In February, CVG reported that EA is preparing to announce a key exclusivity agreement at Microsoft’s next-gen Xbox reveal event. Be sure to check out our Xbox 720 rumor round-up for a preview of potential news to come.

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43. "a mech shooter? Show me some footage..."
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44. "As a Sony fan, I'm started to get worried about Microsoft"
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The fact that the next Call of Duty footage will be revealed at the 720 press conference is HUGE. You also have Respawn's first game allegedly being 720 exclusive. There are also rumors that Battlefield 4 map packs will be timed exclusives on the 720 much like Call of Duty map packs already are, which seemed to be confirmed by EA's conspicuous absence at the PS4 reveal. Ubisoft seems to be the only third party publisher throwing Sony a bone, and I highly doubt people will buy a PS4 just so they can play 60 minutes of exclusive Watch Dogs content.

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45. "RE: Next Gen Xbox Reveal May 21"
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Apparently there's a rumor that while COD: Ghosts will be multiplatform on current gen consoles it might be a 720 exclusive on next gen game systems. Even if it was only a timed exclusive that would be devastating for Sony. That coupled with the rumor that Microsoft might release a $300 subscription subsidized SKU of the new console is making me feel really anxious about what Sony's going to do.

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46. "I'm hoping $299 - console, cam, controller."
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They can't charge $599 like they did for the launch PS3.

$79 for a controller.

$59-79 for games.

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47. "Sony will show the hardware on the 21 as well"
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JUST to steal M$'s thunder.

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48. "One last bit of news before the reveal"
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I can't find a link but I read a New York Times article confirming that the next Microsoft console will be called the PlayStation 5 and it will be a cartridge based system

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50. "LOL"
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49. "Today's the day. SHOW US THE BOX! *creepface*"
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Let's see what you got M$.

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51. "I'm ready. 4K support too? I'm ready to preorder lol"
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52. "I'm tryin to get facedown in some new box."
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53. "**MUNCH MUNCH**"
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54. "Locked in"
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56. "+1, Perfect avi, btw"
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61. "no doubt! "
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55. "I'm ready to dive in this box"
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58. "Xbox One, huh? Really creative MS."
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59. "Damn."
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They changed the controller.

Edit: These voice activations and close integration with TV are definite winners, though.

  

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62. "multitasking took my money already.. PS4 will prob have the same"
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dont matter, im already here

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63. "yeah but at least it was kinda subtle "
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65. "True, but I considered the old one basically perfect (grip-wise)"
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It looks like they flared out the finger grips a bit, but hopefully not by too much.

  

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60. "Are those vents on top of half the console?"
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They tryin to make this thing run really cool now
So they learned from the red rings

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64. "Blu-Motherfucking-Ray"
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67. "^^^^^"
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66. "Price predictions?"
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69. "$450"
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No empathy for white misery (c) BDot

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77. "$350"
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78. "499"
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86. "This is my guess here..."
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87. "I'm going with this"
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82. "$399"
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114. "$550"
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68. "man if i can get rid of my cable set top box...."
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71. "your cable box plugs directly into XboxOne"
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that's how you get the TV feeds via your Xbox

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88. "y not just run it right through, $10 less bucks a month lol"
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72. "how does it access your DVR??? "
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...or IS it your DVR??

  

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122. "i thought the DVR was for gaming only"
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70. "D PAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
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73. "This dude said NBA Live. Ha ha."
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74. "NBA LIVE IS BACK!!!"
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75. "Tell me more about this "NBA Live""
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76. "NBA Live???"
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Really??? They would have been better off leaving that alone.

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80. "Live still looks bad"
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81. "yup.. i wasn't impressed by any of that"
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85. "LOL didn't even look like kyrie smh"
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WHO'S GOT IT BETTER THAN US?!?! NOOOOBODDDDYY!!!!

  

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89. "yea, 2k it is..."
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79. "FIFA 14 is an XBOX Exclusive?"
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interesting.

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83. "i think he meant some features are xbox specific"
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Ultimate Team probably has some kind of extra social features or something
that sentence could have been structured better

  

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84. "the game or that particular mode?"
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91. "nope."
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90. "Still waiting to hear backwards compatible."
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If not I might have to wait for the first price drop.

  

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92. "guess you'll be waiting then."
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cause them niggas gonna want you to rebuy them games online. i bet.

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93. "i wouldnt expect to hear that"
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if anything they'll probably end up offering those games digitally

  

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94. "Well I'm just gonna have to get both."
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95. "Goodell still sucks"
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96. "somewhat annoyed by the lack of actual game footage"
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i get that its early
but not even a tech demo?

  

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98. "Probably at E3"
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https://digife.com

  

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102. "i figure, but even Sony will show you some leaves blowing in the wind"
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or some creepy faces

  

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109. "only thing people gonna do is pick the shit apart"
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i see why they aint dropping any game footage. MS want you to see that shit when its READY.

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97. "live sports is the singular reason i have a cable box in my man cave"
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wonder what the extra costs are gonna be

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100. "Live sports is a big deal for cord cutters like me."
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I haven't had a cable subscription for 4 years.
I've made adjustments for all my viewing EXCEPT for Live Sports.
Outside of NBA League Pass, I watch what's on network TV or go to a sports bar.

If this could change that...

https://digife.com

  

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105. "i wish i could actually use League Pass"
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but all Grizz games are blacked out in Memphis

  

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241. "RE: i wish i could actually use League Pass"
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I can inbox you a website where you can watch all the games. It's not hd but it does the job.

  

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260. "^^^^ i use that too... best website EVER"
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99. "Original exclusive content push, mobile tie-in..."
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It almost looks like Microsoft knows what it's doing.

This is really interesting.

  

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103. "Indeed, I'm pretty impressed so far."
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108. "It's a complete digital entertainment hub"
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- games
- communication
- passive video content
- interactive content
- music
- sporting events

and proven kinetic and voice control technologies alongside traditional controllers.

The Xbox division in Microsoft looks like they may be one of the handful of groups out there that does not have it's head directly up its own ass.

  

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101. "That cod thing may pull in a lot of fans"
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I'm bout as sick as can be of cod for real
Hope this plays different

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104. "I just want it to look even better. Can't wait"
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COD is all I've been playing for the last couple years really.

  

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107. "It has to do more than look better for me"
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We've been playing the same game for years just with new perks and crap

I want a more tactical cod that encourages smarter gameplay

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112. "Honestly..."
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I don't think we'll ever see that in a COD iteration ever.

The pick up and play, arcade-y style FPS is COD's bread and butter, and that formula is never going to change.

  

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117. "It can be arcade but still more tactical"
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Classes that do different things to help the team instead of the individual.

I understand you can somewhat do it but I mean have a team set up of classes that really complement each other.

Even at the loading screens they could have where you could ping the map to let team mates know where you'd like to push or set up.

Give us anything.

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126. "Pinging maps I can see."
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But I don't see legitimate classes ever becoming the norm in COD's core multiplayer element.

I hope I'm proven wrong though; I enjoy the multi, but I want more than just shooting.

  

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130. "Same here, and for example"
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Say we have a stealth class that can activate a camo for a few secs but to not make it overpowered it has a long cool down.

Well to counter that there could be a class with a piece of equipment that disrupts that but has a limited range.

You could place that near your best players so they don't get stealth killed and can rack up those high end kill streaks.

That's where we can benefit the "team" aspect of TDM games and it forces other players to play differently due to what you're going up against. It encourages smarter gameplay rather than just non stop run and gun only.

Image it's a popular camping spot and you can throw something out of sight that fucks up sniper scopes and makes the area uncampable unless destroyed by a certain weapon.

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134. "Those ideas sound fantastic."
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Never gonna happen with COD's core userbase though. Sure, there are going to be little pockets of teamwork here and there when friends play together, but COD is largely an anonymous fanbase.

Just look at Battlefield 3, which has a very complentary class-based system, and see just how few people coordinate in general. Even for an objective-based game that did a number of things to encourage teamwork, you rarely see it emerge organically in public games.

For a game like COD which built its success almost as the antithesis to team-based gameplay, going too far in that direction would alienate and frustrate its core players.

  

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138. "Shit had me wanting to make a game now lol"
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You know what though

They could make a tactical mode and really change the game

It would be like 2 different MP games in one

Some maps could be exclusive to some modes also. Maybe even some weapons so people could play what they feel. Even play both modes to unlock things to make people play both modes to get the true experience.

Someone get me on the phone with IW!!

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115. "I just don't want tactical to end up being everyone hiding"
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That's the problem I find when people label something as "tactical"

  

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120. "i actually like that shit tho"
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where you have to trick people into doing something stupid

  

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110. "NIGGA YOU SEE THAT TREE! THATS A ILL TREE!"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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111. "basically. nghs still gettin wooed by realistic graphics"
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aint no point if its fucking boring

  

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113. "aint no COD been boring to me yet. I just like competition"
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124. "This is why they don't change much in these franchises "
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People are too satisfied with the same exact thing for years

They know the zombies will buy it

All we can do is vote with our money
If the only thing they're changing is the graphics they won't see my $60 and hopefully others will do the same.

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143. "to tell the truth all these games are the same"
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it's like once limitations are reached with the hardware, I swear they all become the same. I copped Bioshock Infinite and was like yeah it's cool and all but it's the same stuff different environment. Same with Devil May Cry and all these games I've picked up over the last couple years. But those get labeled as being more creative. Yes, their originals were creative but the new iterations are a new coat of paint with subtle new features. Now the stories are good, but I've never been into games for their stories. Part of the problem is that these games have become movies where you just patiently play through it and get to the big shock in the story line but the challenge is never really there. Gimme a challenging controller throwing game like Ninja Gaiden or Bayonetta and I'm good or give me some direct competition with people online. That's just what it's come down to for me. COD just has a special place with me because I love competitive fast reflex gaming. It could be better. I'm hoping Ghosts delivers.

  

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148. "DARK SOULS SAYS HELLO"
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http://i.imgur.com/474FU.png

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No seriously... you need to play this before the next gen comes out, because it's completely unlike any other game out there.

  

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154. "I know right I need to play it. I've barely touched Demon Souls too"
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118. "YOU WON'T BE LAUGHING WHEN THAT TREE IS WHOOPING YOUR ASS"
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121. "CAN I BE THE DOG THO!!!!"
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DONT GAS ME UP ON THE DOG IF I CANT BE IT!

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106. "another COD? new AND interesting!"
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i'll never get how folks can get so gassed off the yearly COD update but hate on Madden.

i love playing that shit at other people's houses but i'd never cop it for myself.

this underwater shit looks ill though. i want to see a whole underwater adventure/platformer game this generation

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116. "This makes me want to just ebay my Wii U today lol"
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141. "as you should...do it now"
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there will be a flood of them on ebay this fall.

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119. "still leaning toward a PS4, but Xbox has my ear again"
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and if that d-pad is ACTUALLY USABLE, then were nearing 50/50.

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125. "base"
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i gotta see more of dem titlez tho

  

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123. "I told y'all Microsoft was coming with that Death Star."
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With that said, I'm dissatisfied because they didn't reveal the price 3/4 of the event revved around media features with very little gameplay.

No empathy for white misery (c) BDot

"root for everybody black haters say that's crazy, wow..."

  

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128. "You'll see more about games at E3"
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They said that upfront.

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127. "my god, that hardware is fucking hideous"
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never really cared how a console looked, but FUCK.

they took three giant steps backward with that "design".

  

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132. "^^^ dramatic"
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Who gives a shit as long as the thing is a beast.

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133. "why does that even matter?"
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All that matters is whats on the screen and the controller.

Im pretty sure the console will fit in your living room just fine.

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135. "He'll be fine once they release a Hello Kitty skin for it"
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137. "That's what I'm saying."
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This is easily the most mature iteration of the aesthetics yet. I don't want some fancy shit that sticks out with all these frills, I want something that looks clean and complentary in my entertainment cabinet.

  

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156. "what part of that looks contemporary?"
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it literally looks like a first generation laser disc player.

it's not gonna affect my buying decision as long as it fits on my shelf, but as a designer, it's pretty sad how little attention was paid to the industrial design this time around.

  

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163. "it looks like the cable box that it's trying to be."
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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165. "My bad, I fat fingered "complementary"."
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My point though was that the whole purpose of the Xbox is to integrate with the living room, in both form and function. Not sure what PS4 is gonna look like, but I'm guessing the days of "console-ization" are pretty much over. No fancy shapes, no weird domes, nothing way out in left field to differentiate itself from the rest of the devices attached to your TV.

Gamers are getting older, and I'm thinking that the design is being streamlined to represent those maturing tastes.

  

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182. "agreed"
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there are just ways to push simple and classic design without coming off as boring and disposable (see: Dieter Rams)

  

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196. "Fair enough, definitely agree with you there. n/m"
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129. "Now that I think about it, consoles as a privacy invasion"
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like, I'm pretty sure every game from here on out is going to want access to facebook and other social media.
When that chick said the Television will now be a 2 way street sounded really Orwellian.
I dont think I should be forced to have an always on stream of personal data as a means to play games.
So does this mean anonymity in gaming is dead?
Especially for OKP's now we are gonna know each other technically in real life,
alot of people put in a ton of work to remain anonymous.
Now that we hook up through gaming we are gonna have a huge amount of insight into each other's daily activities.

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131. "XBOX One will watch you fuck"
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172. "stream that shit and make it part of your profile. so ppl can "
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rate it and give you m$ points.


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136. "^ nerd worries"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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185. "a camera being on me while I play...no thanks"
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139. "Xbox One."
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140. "Hands on..."
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http://www.engadget.com/2013/05/21/hands-on-with-xbox-one/

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142. "NO BC! "
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http://www.engadget.com/2013/05/21/xbox-one-backwards-compatible/

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144. "that sucks but honestly I never go back"
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I think I played one original xbox game on my 360 - Ninja Gaiden 1. That's it.

  

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145. "yeah it used to be a big deal but now..."
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nah...

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BrooklynWHAT
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146. "DEALBREAKER: you really gotta pay a fee to play used games?"
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and you gotta pay to play the shit at someone else's house?
thats that shit i dont like. no wonder EA got rid of the online pass.
the redbox rental game just got shot in the ass too.

http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2013/05/xbox-one-analysis/

There’s one feature of Xbox One from which we can infer quite a few conclusions: You can install any game from the disc to the console’s hard drive, and then play that game whenever you like without having to put the disc in.

Wired asked Microsoft if installation would be mandatory. “On the new Xbox, all game discs are installed to the HDD to play,” the company responded in an emailed statement. Sounds mandatory to us.

What follows naturally from this is that each disc would have to be tied to a unique Xbox Live account, else you could take a single disc and pass it between everyone you know and copy the game over and over. Since this is clearly not going to happen, each disc must then only install for a single owner.

Microsoft did say that if a disc was used with a second account, that owner would be given the option to pay a fee and install the game from the disc, which would then mean that the new account would also own the game and could play it without the disc.

But what if a second person simply wanted to put the disc in and play the game without installing – and without paying extra? In other words, what happens to our traditional concept of a “used game”? This is a question for which Microsoft did not yet have an answer, and is surely something that game buyers (as well as renters and lenders) will want to know.

And what of the persistent rumors that Xbox One games will be “always online” – that is, that single-player games would require a constant online connection to function? As it turns out, those rumors were not unfounded, but the reality is not so draconian. Xbox One will give game developers the ability to create games that use Microsoft’s Azure cloud computing service, which means that they might be able to offload certain computing tasks to the cloud rather than process them on the Xbox One hardware itself. This would necessitate the game requiring a connection.

Are developers forced to create games that have these online features, and are thus not playable offline? They are not, Xbox exec Whitten said to Wired — but “I hope they do.” So the always-online future may come in incremental steps.

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147. "*GameFly Wept*"
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149. "This isn't a big deal for me."
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I don't buy used.
I don't rent.
I don't bring my games over other peoples houses.

In fact, for me this is just an entertainment box that just happens to let me play NBA 2K (and now watch the Bulls game at the same time).

https://digife.com

  

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152. "damn youre just happy giving all your money away on new games"
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you dont borrow games from friends?
grab a redbox to test drive that shit before buying?
damn you losing.

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153. "I haven't borrowed a game from a friend since college"
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we're talking N64/PSOne games back in the mid-late 90s. I'm in the same boat as Leroy. I don't rent or buy used.

  

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155. "Nope."
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>you dont borrow games from friends?
>grab a redbox to test drive that shit before buying?

I don't buy a lot of games to begin with.
But when I do, I know about that investment going in.
I mean, what's $65? I have a job. *shrug*
Besides, I trust my gut to buy something I know I'll like.
So I don't need to give it a test run.

More than anything, the gaming aspect of this new machine is pretty low for me.

NBA 2KX
GTA
Watch Dogs
(hopefully) Half-Life 3

I'll play those games for the next 7-9 years and be OK.

https://digife.com

  

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212. "nope"
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242. "I get most of my games off craigslist."
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178. "Well shit it is for me"
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Besides most fighting games, I usually buy all my stuff used because by the time I get to play it, it's been sitting on the shelf for like 6-8 months.

Well they used to call me Maf

  

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150. "That "always on" drm working for YOU"
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151. "its kinda lame that your XBLA games won't transfer"
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from what it sounds like
there's like no point to Live Arcade at this point

  

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193. "that is bullshit, I play XBLA almost as much as major titles"
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and a lot of those games don't get old (*blows kiss to Geometry Wars + Lumines!*)

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157. "It's been confirmed that it has to be connected to Kinect to work"
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160. "It's being sold with Kinect included."
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312. "that ain't the problem"
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the problem is privacy.

  

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313. "You know you can mute the kinect?"
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Half the time I put mine behind the TV until I'm ready to use it so its just facing the wall

Can't see or hear anything

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158. "one would assume that by naming it XBOX One"
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the XBOX Two would be backwards compatible
but who knows

  

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161. "hell I think I'm going to sell my PS3 too now"
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I barely play it nowadays except to watch blurays.

  

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162. "I have two. I might let the phat go."
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166. "I definitely want to let it go before the flood gates open"
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This is going to be the summer of craigslist/ebay PS3s.

  

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169. "how much you want?"
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164. "Microsoft is cheap."
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The One uses DDR RAM versus the 4's GDDR. Microsoft should've went for that GDDR RAM instead of being so cheap. At least the gun on Halo will have more RAM than the entire Wij U. *Shots fired*

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167. "so basically the biggest selling point is the fact it's copying Sonys"
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media super hub philosophy and has shitty EA exclusives?
think i'm still leaning toward that 4

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170. "since when did Sony invent the console as a media hub?"
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they've both been doing that all along, and I feel that with the current gen models, Xbox 360 is way ahead of Sony as far as entertainment / apps (only knock on it is the lack of a blu ray player for physical media)

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171. "Sony technically did it first"
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since the structure was built into their blu-ray players at the time
M$ was more concerned with connecting your console to your PC at first if my memory serves.

  

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173. "So we're digging all the way back to 2006 now?"
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Neither console when they first launched was focused on entertainment the way we consume it today. Shit, the iPhone didnt even come out until a year later, and the whole concept of "apps" hadnt even evolved yet.

You cant tell me Sony pioneered that on a console.

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175. "the whole marketing spin for ps3 was as a media hub"
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the fact it wasn't just about games was one of it's "weaknesses" when it launched , pushing bluray and the social aspect of home etc
obviously over time the 360 started to integrate and copy other lil elements: bandwagoning the wii success with kinect, fleshing out it's own media offerings etc
and for my money i prefer sonys ui. tho both of the current systems have some real dumb workflows .....some of which i'm sure are intentionally bad (try converting a live subscription from month to month to yearly if you don't believe me)
that being said since you had no real answer for my original question i'll take that as confirmation about the event today (haven't watched)

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176. "Home was a failure, and was a social world like Second Life"
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...and you took away that MS is expanding on that concept with their reveal today? Their primary focus on the entertainment side was Sports and TV... none of which Sony introduced with the PS3.

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177. "uh yeah, thats when all this started"
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nghs forgot about the Blu-ray / HD DVD war?

  

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179. "Seems like it"
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But I'm pretty sure the Xbox One is going to do it better. As far as the OS and the social integration, MS has way more experience than sony does.

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189. "That's the problem with being first. Others can improve on your mistakes"
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Oh well

  

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168. "RE: Next Gen Xbox Reveal May 21"
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I'm surprised they didn't put some wooden panels on the side and went "full 80's" on this one... Kind of got that old hifi stack thing going on.

Anyways, this is going to be a war of marketing cos essentially PS4 and Xbox are just PC's now. Same stuff different wrapping paper.

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174. "The real winners are the people that can afford both"
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Fuck that war trash
Looks like its gonna be some crazy compitition out the gate

Which means some good ass games for me

I feel like they both have some cards up there sleeve for E3
I expect something amazing for both systems

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jorge123
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180. "That was pretty much a worst case scenario come to life"
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*disclaimer* - I am a current xbox 360 owner

I think if you polled actual gamers about what their worst fears coming into this press conference, the list of responses would read something like this:

- focusing on entertainment rather than games
- focusing on kinect
- always-on DRM
- no BC
- pay-to-play multiplayer

Basically, the answer to each of the above points was the wrong one. They led off the conference by talking about media features for half an hour. Most of the kinect features they showed were laughable - literally everything they showed SHOULD ALREADY BE POSSIBLE with the current kinect. In fact, Microsoft confirmed that they REMOVED from the 360 kinect the capability to turn on your console via voice command. Similar with smartglass - we can already do pretty much all of that shit on our 360s!

Very disappointing, IMO.

  

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BrooklynWHAT
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181. "man you couldnt GIVE me that box"
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damn i thought the Wii U was bad enough. that joint just doesnt have games.

The ONE (lol) is anti-consumer and PROUD of it.

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jorge123
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183. "Well how on earth are you going to switch inputs on your TV w/o it?"
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Are you going to actually press that one single button on your TV remote control? How barbaric.

How on earth are you going to track your fantasy stats? Not with that tablet or laptop that already does it better, I hope...

Lol, this presentation was such a fail. It was like if you took some guy in 1999 and asked him to predict what our technology would be like in 2020, this is what he would come up with. "We need something that let's you switch to cable TV easier!" "What if...your TV guide wasn't in a magazine but instead was on your game console!!!"

Terrible...

  

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BrooklynWHAT
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186. "if Sony follows their lead, i'm done w/ console gaming."
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i'll go build a PC or something if i really feel that gaming itch. but i don't need this shit.

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184. "Why do you have to be so negative."
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>*disclaimer* - I am a current xbox 360 owner
>
>I think if you polled actual gamers about what their worst
>fears coming into this press conference, the list of responses
>would read something like this:
>
>- focusing on entertainment rather than games
>- focusing on kinect
>- always-on DRM
>- no BC
>- pay-to-play multiplayer
>
>Basically, the answer to each of the above points was the
>wrong one. They led off the conference by talking about media
>features for half an hour. Most of the kinect features they
>showed were laughable - literally everything they showed
>SHOULD ALREADY BE POSSIBLE with the current kinect. In fact,
>Microsoft confirmed that they REMOVED from the 360 kinect the
>capability to turn on your console via voice command. Similar
>with smartglass - we can already do pretty much all of that
>shit on our 360s!
>
>Very disappointing, IMO.

You forgot the fact that Microsoft will require you to pay a fee to play a used game.

Dude, this is that Star Wars stuff. Microsoft put legit apps on your console now. The one should play nice with all your Microsoft products meaning so perpetual syncing of information. You know the One means we're getting Xbox branded surface RT tablets with Kinect cameras.

Most importantly, users don't have to use a controller to navigate anymore! I hope you can search the web and download with the One. Imagine posting to OKP by dictation. Finally, this console will be subsidized so stop whining. It should cost $300 with two years of live.

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jorge123
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187. "I don't watch Star Wars b/c Spielburg didn't do it. I only watch Halo."
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188. "LOL. dude, no one gives a fuck about BC"
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the wii u is BC.

anyone give a fuck about the wii u?

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190. "RE: LOL. dude, no one gives a fuck about BC"
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Seriously. It's nice to have, but no one's buying a new console to play old games. All you broke niggas that have to trade in your old console to get a new one have six months to save up your paper route money

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jorge123
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195. "I don't give a fuck about BC, but other people definitely want to see it"
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All else equal, people would prefer the system with BC. I agree with you, but there are lots of people that want it.

  

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197. "So wait, let me get this straight."
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YOU don't personally care about BC, but you listed it in your opinion on why the MS announcement was bad?

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jorge123
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198. "#dealwithit"
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381. "Eh...I would like to get rid of some of the hardware in my house..."
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But keep the software for it...

Grand Theft Auto 5 is coming out for 360 and PS3...I would love to have the option to play this on my PS4 or Xbox One...

It's more of a nice to have...but it's a much stronger nice to have than some of the feature mentioned.

For me, I hope they fix the range needed for Kinect to work. Because if Kinect is required to use the system, they might be a turn off for me.

  

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387. "oh no one's saying it's not nice to have"
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I would prefer it, but the facts are it doesn't really affect sales and is probably ridiculously hard to implement

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191. "they say anything about BC on peripherals?"
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192. "Well, Angry Joe is well......angry"
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This is the craziest game related rant since Blackbuster went on all that Sonic shit. LOL! Blackbuster still tops it tho.

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jorge123
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194. "Yeah, I like Angry Joe but that was 100% emotional"
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although I pretty much agree with him about everything he said.

But while we're on the topic of great fanboy mouth-frothings, this one is my favorite:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-uTnqYHZ-I

  

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249. "THEY DONE FUCKED IT UP! ! !...*pulls hair*(c)Angry Joe"
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Dude had me dyin'!

He was on point tho...

#TeamSony





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Playa_Politician
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199. "Controllers still require double A batteries. "
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200. "Deal breaker "
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285. "LOL"
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that's retarded if that's what stops you from getting the system.

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BrooklynWHAT
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201. "i never expected otherwise. "
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i got a bucket of em though.

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Playa_Politician
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202. "I rarely play my xbox, and for some reason when i decide to the batterie..."
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are always dead

i do the smart thing and have them turn off automatically after 10 mins of not being used, but man. maybe it's on me for not investing in chargers, but why should i have to? what other modern technology do we still have to put A, AA, AAA etc... batteries into besides 360 controllers and tv remotes. i think it adds a cost and burden of having to make sure you keep them in stock that could easily be outweighed by making the controllers rechargeable


with that said, it's not a game changer for me. i'll still cop both systems when i have the $ to do so.

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209. "wait, there are people who DON'T use the rechargeable packs?"
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get the charger kit. Microsoft makes it themselves so you don't have to fret about bootleg third party accessory quality.

I had one for about five years until it stopped holding charges properly, just replaced it recently. haven't bought a set of AAs for my Xbox once since I owned it.

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210. "People are LOOKING for things to be mad at."
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"The paint they used on the console is too black."
"They're copying Sony by adding a Blu-Ray player."
"The Kinect camera looked at me funny."

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213. "had it since day 1"
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215. "yeah WTF"
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216. "Are XBox controllers $55 like DualShocks are?"
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because if they're asking people to buy an accessory for their expensive game pad just to get on Sony's level, that sounds like nickel and diming. I understand why the 360 pad wasn't USB-charged, but it makes no sense in 2013.



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231. "Man, I completely forgot they even used batteries. n/m"
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239. "^^^This"
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Who uses batteries? I've been using the rechargeable pack since the jump. I have two controllers and four rechargeable packs. I'm never without power.


>get the charger kit. Microsoft makes it themselves so you
>don't have to fret about bootleg third party accessory
>quality.
>
>I had one for about five years until it stopped holding
>charges properly, just replaced it recently. haven't bought a
>set of AAs for my Xbox once since I owned it.

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278. "i learned my lesson fuck that "
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osu_no_1
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316. "i buy rechargeable aa and aaa from amazon"
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1 hr charger

  

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217. "From what I understand..."
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it has the battery pack as well as a USB port. I'm thinking it allows USB charging on top of battery power as back up.

  

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203. "No Self-Publishing on the X1. And the Ls keep rolling in."
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https://twitter.com/BenKuchera/status/337037019924533248

nintendo and sony allow it though. no wonder indie devs werent pleased.

i really dont understand how MS got this so wrong.

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204. "Hmm."
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This is a very USA-friendly device... it doesn't seem like international audiences will gravitate to this.

  

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205. "The next console war pits living room against cloud (swipe)"
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http://www.theverge.com/2013/5/21/4352908/xbox-one-vs-playstation-4-living-room-hub-or-streaming-cloud

We think of video game consoles as being principally about, well, the games. But when the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 went head-to-head in 2006, it wasn't games that truly determined the victor. What eventually drove the Xbox 360 to first place was the underlying vision — a place where your friends could connect, chat, and compete — as well as additions that no one saw coming, including Microsoft's Kinect and Netflix.

Based on what we now know about the next Xbox and PlayStation, we can expect a fairly similar scenario this time around. As far as games are concerned, the hardware sounds quite similar out of the box. Both consoles promise to track your motions, power on instantly, and seamlessly update themselves in the background, among many other common features.

XBOX AND PLAYSTATION FANS COULD FIND THEMSELVES IN VERY DIFFERENT PLACES DOWN THE ROAD

But if we look at that long-term vision, new Xbox and PlayStation fans could find themselves in very different places down the road. Microsoft wants its box to be the center of your living room in every way, while Sony is promising a future where you theoretically might not even need a powerful box in your home.

Here's 10 minutes in the life of a future PlayStation 4 owner, should Sony's vision pan out: press a button to instantly wake your console, sign into your account, and go channel surfing through a catalogue of games. Not browsing pictures and descriptions of games, mind you, but clicking through channel after TV channel filled with video footage, both live and pre-recorded, of your friends actually playing. When you hit upon a game you like, you press another button to start playing it instantly too: Sony promises to let you play games as they download, and stream others outright to the game console.

Then, say you need to get up and walk somewhere. With many games, you'll be able to take it right with you, continuing your progress on a PlayStation Vita handheld as you walk around the house, or more likely, continue to play (or at least watch others play) from an internet-connected tablet or smartphone wherever you go. While the box itself will be a requirement in the short term (while Sony figures streaming out) future PlayStations could theoretically just be any controller and screen connected to the cloud.

In Microsoft's vision, by contrast, that future Xbox owner will have a rather different experience. Microsoft wants its new Xbox One to erase the boundary between set-top box and TV, to become the one device in your living room. You'll simply say "Xbox On" to instantly turn on your entire immersive living room entertainment system. JUST SAY "XBOX ON" TO FIRE UP YOUR LIVING ROOM The voice command will fire up the console, your receiver, and your TV simultaneously, and the new Kinect camera will recognize your body and face, automatically signing you into your profile and preparing you to consume several kinds of content at a moment's notice. Where you'll be channel surfing games on the PlayStation 4, the Xbox One will let you literally channel surf live TV, assuming the infrared holds up. You'll issue rapid-fire voice commands to switch between games, web, apps, and television, or use the multitasking chops of the underlying Windows 8 operating system to take a Skype voice call and play your game simultaneously. And when it is time to game, you won't have to swap discs: you'll have already stored them on the Xbox One's hard drive.

While the power of the cloud will also contribute to the games that Microsoft's envisioning, allowing you to play downloadable titles as they install, the future goal is rather that computational power gets piped into your console to make those games more immersive. After all, in Microsoft's visions, all roads lead to your living room hub. All information goes there. And should Microsoft's Illumiroom dreams come true, that might be a fantastic decision, because the Xbox One could use that information to turn your living room into the long-awaited holodeck.

Assuming that neither Sony nor Microsoft manage an outright coup with a better price, a better release date, or sufficiently compelling exclusive games, this is the choice you'll make: do you bet on the company who wants to let you take a traditional gaming experience anywhere you'd care to be, or the one that demands you stand still in exchange for increased immersion and functionality?

  

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206. "Eh. I may pick up M$'s console this go round"
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but not before the PS4. Definitely going to have to invest in a HDMI switch now...

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207. "PS4, here I come"
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208. "you know good and well you can't go without COD"
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and I'm supposed to believe you're going to wait for Ghosts to hit PS4? lol

  

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221. "Ande has reset his stats and is taking his gaming to PS4.."
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227. "he's already logged 1 whole day back tho lol"
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211. "May be already asked but...."
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what if your console crashes, do you have to re-buy all your games? Will MS allow you to transfer your game loads to your new console without paying a fee?
Are the games tied to the console or to the XBL account and console? If the later, what if you want sell your console with the games; can you not sell the games because it tied to your XBL account?


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214. "games tied to your acct"
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Sounds like if you sell games, not only will they have to pay you for the game, theyd also have to pay to activate the game on the console.

  

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218. "the more I read the more I want a PS4."
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this is looking like a no go.

I want to like this.

Meh.

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219. "Can't think of a better time to eject entirely from console gaming."
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Complicated as hell? Check. Expensive as hell? Check.

Look out beloooooowwwwwwwwwwwwww!

  

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223. "It's poor execution and so many gray areas."
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I'm building a PC for Elder Scrolls Online and I'm getting a PS4.

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220. "The PS4 has a 50 percent more powerful GPU (Swipe)"
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http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-spec-analysis-xbox-one

So, again through a process of extrapolation from the drip-feed of hard facts, the make-up of the One's GPU is confirmed - 12 compute units each capable of 64 ops/clock gives us the 768 total revealed by Microsoft and thus, by extension, the 1.2 teraflop graphics core. So that's another tick on the Durango leaked spec that has been transposed across to the final Xbox One architecture and the proof we need that PlayStation 4's 18 CU graphics core has 50 per cent more raw power than the GPU in the new Microsoft console.

Microsoft wants you "to have a relationship" with your TV, and to that end, Xbox One has a new connection that no other console possesses - an HDMI input (supporting 1080p, 3D, even 4K - at least the 30Hz version of it supported in HDMI 1.4a). The idea is that you can daisy-chain your existing set-top box into the new console and seamlessly switch between TV and gameplay, and even run apps in parallel with both of them. So, for example, in theory, you can play Forza 5, switch over to watch the Formula One and take a Skype call simultaneously.

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222. "I can do this with my computer right now."
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> So, for example, in theory, you can play Forza 5, switch over to
>watch the Formula One and take a Skype call simultaneously.

Doesn't mean I need (or want) my console to do it though.

I was initially (and still am) impressed with the move towards full living room integration, but that focus doesn't give me better games though. I'm sure E3 will have a bigger emphasis on the One's games (what a fucking terrible name), but I do agree with the sentiment that game-focused features were pretty light during the unveiling. And, like it was framed in the article above, do I care more about living room features or cloud features?

What's interesting about this generation is that Sony and Microsoft seemed to have flip positions from last generation: the PS4 now seems like the more open, web-based platform while the NeXtBox is more focused on the living room and its own ecosystem.

  

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224. "See that's the thing...I don't want to do all that on my console"
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226. "Yeah... it's adding features we never wanted in a console."
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But I think it would be sick to browse what my friends are playing, when they're playing it. I would never play FIFA, but I could watch my buddies play FIFA for hours.

I actually do that now with Google Hangouts. I'll tell them about some game I'm playing, then Hangouts lets me pick specific windows to show the game to them while I'm playing. It stutters and the frame rate isn't perfect, but if I can get that feature streamlined in a console experience, that is right up my alley.

  

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230. "They are adding these features because there's nowhere else to go."
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I mean, that's really it. They added motion last gen. They've already pretty much maxed out on graphics and sound. And they've made everyone come to expect a variety of internet apps. Where else do they have to go?

They drew the only parallel they could. Remember, neither of these companies are "gaming" companies. Sony is a consumer electronics company, and Microsoft is a software company. I really don't expect anything less.

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246. "^^^"
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https://digife.com

  

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225. "***PIC OF XBOX ONE FOCUS GROUP TESTING***"
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http://oi41.tinypic.com/2s7bblh.jpg

  

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232. "lol"
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Since 1976

  

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228. "Interesting interview conducted by Adam Sessler"
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y508_rXPogQ

Some of the relevant questions:

Q - "In terms of there being a one-time installation of a game onto the hard drive on the Xbox One, that there's a successive payment if you want to install it on another one. What is the current statement on the existence or non-existence of that?

A - "The content is attached to your profile. That game is yours. If you want to play with your profile, then that's as if you're buying the game. When you buy a game, it's attached to your account and your profile and you'll be able to play that wherever you go."

Q - "Just to clarify, the game license is unique to your profile, not to the hard drive that you've installed the game on?"

A - "That's right."

Q - "There are two different terms; always-on, and always-online. Is the system always-on to some degree?"

A - "Just like most other devices, the Xbox One has different power states. If you're not using it right then, it has a low power state, just like how your phone's screen turns off or your laptop goes into sleep mode. But as we saw today, there's enough of it always on so that it can respond to your voice. If you're not using it, it'll power down. When you're ready to play games, it'll turn on instantly."

Q - "Now for the notion of always-online. That wasn't really addressed specifically in the presentation. Is there any sort of clarity as to whether the system requires a persistent internet connection or perhaps just a connection as a sort of handshake to verify that there is something going to the internet?"

A - "What I'll say is we designed Xbox One to take advantage of what the internet brings. Automatic updates, expanded content, multiplayer, the cloud, etc.; I think we've gotten hung up today on some of the details.

Q - "But if you have a truly solitary single-player experience, would that require an internet connection?"

A - "In the absence of any internet connection, you can play blu-ray movies and there are likely going to be some game modes that you can continue to play, but having an internet connection will still bring advantages."

Q - "With all of the things we've been shown today, the TV, swapping between games, the cloud, recording gameplay, etc.; will all of this be available at the launch of the console, and will this be exploited by the content and games?"

A - "All of the things we've shown today, you should expect to see at launch. In terms of what's to come, we should expect 6 months from now that you can do things in games that you couldn't do at launch, and a year from now you can do even more advanced things."

Q - "With the television and the instant switching, was that a real-time demo that was feeding in television that was being broadcast?"

A - "The operating system is specifically designed to be able to be instantly ready to switch while at the same time being able to run core games. It also allows switching over a variety of devices, such as Windows 8 and the Windows Phone."

Q - "It looked like the menu for the television was unique to the dashboard, but you still need to have your cable service. Do you still need a cable box or can you go directly into the system?"

A - "Xbox One will take your cable service's input and then display and layer on top of that. Even outside the US, anywhere we sell an Xbox One we want there to be live TV content but that depends on your cable provider. Think of it as HDMI in, but you'll still need a satellite or cable box or however you get TV."

Q - "So in terms of something like HBO Go, where you still need the subscription through your cable provider, that still stays?"

A - "Yes, that is correct. HBO Go is a great example, but there are many services like that around the world, some free, some subscription, some require a connection. We want to try to enable as many as we can, but it depends on your relationship with that service."

Q - "How significant of an investment is Microsoft making in digitally distributed, creative content like with Spielberg connected to Halo? That is definitely new territory."

A - "I think you've seen with our involvement in Forward Unto Dawn that we are as committed as anyone could be to the Halo franchise."

Q - "But if it's not just Halo, could it be something that can be attached to an existing Microsoft franchise? Something that can compete with Netflix and the like?"

A - "Yes, I think so. With the Xbox One designed to be an all-encompassing entertainment system, we might have more linear content that is integrated with a gaming franchise, some that might be a standalone in the world, and original linear content. Without getting into particulars, I think you could expect that everything in between there is stuff that we'd want to enable."

Q - "Now for games. Obviously today was light on the games with the emphasis to come at E3. But by going so light on games, who was the presentation for? With the time the presentation was at, the people who are really going to be watching are the people who know Xbox as a game console. This was speaking to a much different audience, and many gamers out there felt alienated."

A - "We want to include as many people as possible, and that includes embracing core gamers. I don't know if the time of the day was important because the information will travel quickly. Our goal is to get this out to as broad of an audience as possible. The way your question comes off as is there's a choice between a core gamer and general entertainment; with Xbox One, we don't have to make that choice. It's designed to handle and advance core games, and also do entertainment well. If we had to choose between the two, then I'd be worried. We built it to appeal to a very broad audience."

Q - "I can see where you're coming from, but I can say - just from watching the internet throughout the day - that there is a core group of gamers that come across as not knowing if they're really part of what Xbox One is doing. Do you think the messaging needs to be refashioned to be more embracing of core gamers?"

A - "As stated before, Microsoft is bringing 15 exclusive titles at launch. And as someone who sees behind the scenes, there's a great amount of activity going toward the content that we're bringing at launch. In terms of the timing of today, is that this is two parts: today for the reveal, and E3 for the games to cover all of the information."

  

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229. "Tech analysis"
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http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-spec-analysis-xbox-one

  

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233. "man...Sony already won and next gen isnt even here yet"
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smh

M$ is basically trying to kill GameStop, Gamefly, etc...

You cant let people borrow your games and if you have more than one GT on ur xbox, you have to pay the "fee" to play the same game on the different GT on the same console?

If thats true.....WOW....they lost majorly.

The lil bells and whistles are cool and im sure the games will look dope, but ituning the xbox is lame.

Peeps will still buy it so whatever, but I'm for sure leaning PS4 unless M$ comes out with some kind of news saying Xbox One is also a time machine or something closely related.

smh @ M$$$$

A damn fee to play a second hand game????

lol...FOH!

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251. "BRUH!"
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Bet money, Sony reps peeped da MS reveal video and was like,...http://oi46.tinypic.com/x3ml2.jpg

Den they was like,...http://oi43.tinypic.com/vddfk0.jpg


Sony got dis...




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266. "hahahahahaha......exactly."
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234. "there's gonna be a lot of crow eatin if this shit works"
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235. "It doesn't matter what the actual sales numbers are..."
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... from Microsoft's standpoint, it will be a success. They've invested too much into it to bail now, even if isn't well received. They'll just double down their efforts to grow their userbase.

This may be Microsoft's first potential inroads (outside of the Windows division) in the growing mobile sector. Apple has OS and hardware, Google has search, and now Microsoft is making a play for the living room. If Xbox sticks (and it will, regardless of how much people rage), it'll give people a potential hook to switch to Windows phones. A true all-in-one home entertainment center (incorporating PC with TV and Audio) and a Windows Phone as a mobile hub? It's not for me, but I could see many heads who are tired of iOS but doesn't like Android switching to Windows.

Microsoft can't afford to let this fail.

Edit: To clarify, I don't mean that Microsoft will go bankrupt or anything like that, I'm just saying this may be their only way to interject themselves into the global smartphone war for at least the U.S. market.

  

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238. "i aint talking about numbers per se"
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i'm talking about when gamers get it and realize its not that bad
maybe even good

  

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244. "It's still about the games."
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Xbox will have no shortage of good games, and that will drive numbers. Make no mistake, Xbox is going to sell like crazy.

But everyone enjoys games differently, and they'll just get the console that fits their lifestyle.

  

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243. "nah it basically means they screwed over consumers"
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for their own (and game publishers) interests. and of course, being the sheeple that gamers are they'll gladly take it up the ass.

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236. "Funny to read this and see people up in arms"
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people been talking shit about 360 since get go because they couldn't get their heads out of sonys ass. same exact shit mind you: oh ps3 processor is more powerful, xbox live costs money, m$ robbing mofos, the system sucks mine is better blah blah blah. shit always works out get over it damn. People screaming fail before they even held the controller. makes me want to get it even more, people just love to wine about shit they havent even seen yet damn

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240. "It's prob just the broke ass folks upset"
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Justifying their reason for owning one
Each console has good exclusives which is why I own em

Ain't nobody winning no real life shit for getting one system over the other

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247. "Ppl get mad cause they feel they have no choice."
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Adam Sessler said this on his podcast a while back. People that get the most irate over consoles are usually people who feel they have to purchase one or the other. Like they sit there and think:

"I have to get an XBOX" or "I have to get a PS."

Not both.
Not neither.
You must choose one.

And right now with the launch of a new console, it's kinda like approaching 2 lines. One for MS, another for Sony. Nobody knows what's at the end of the line, but they feel like they HAVE to stand in one. Once they make that decision, they spend the entire time yelling at people who chose the other line.

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255. "why do you HAVE to"
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you dont have to. you can build a pc. or you can get both. yeah the product is out there but its your choice, its what you want not what you have to

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268. "That's what I'm saying."
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People that are angry don't know there are a multitude of options for gaming.

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237. "This maybe an overall comment I will make, but"
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regarding all next gen consoles, graphically, i feel like the jump wont be as dramatic as it was from og xbox to 360 or ps2 to ps3. it will be there but just doesn't seem all that dramatic. i hope im wrong though

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252. "Dis where I'm at...."
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I'm truly content to lounge on PS3 for anotha 2/3 years honestly.

It seems like DEVS are only just now starting to get the most out of the current hardware and hit their creative strides. Let dem Katz ride dat for a minute 'fore leaping into a whole new learning-curve process for new architecture, ya dig.

But Sony seems to know what they're doin' so Ima wait and see...


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256. "ok why do people do this? why sway it in this direction?"
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i will be honest, i took a side. I loved my 360 and when i had a ps3 it collected dust for the most part. But this post i made wasn't about taking any sides and then this response yet once again had to go and sway there. honestly, why is ps4 "doing it right"? what did tehy even show/ they didn't show anything. They seem once again not sure about their direction. That hurt them last time and it will this time. I am not taking sides this early, i am just leaning towards an xbox because i loved my 360. but xbox at least showed us something substantial rather than do this huge smoke and mirrors trick.

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259. "PS4 emphasized your game experience in the cloud."
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Microsoft emphasized the entertainment experience in your living room.

  

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262. "so are these facts enough to base opinion?"
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i understand taking a lean based on previous systems. But, as with last gen, I went into it being a ps2 dude all the way to switching to xbox and even after getting ps3, not really playing it for much, while 360 was getting played consistantly. My point is, we don't really know much about either system yet. So, based on details we have, how can one judge about ps4 when we havent even seen it yet? Im sure by e3 we will, im just saying

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265. "Are you listening to yourself right now?"
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Opinion is opinion. People gravitate towards what appeals to them. I laid out the differences in focus between the two systems, then people base their opinions on what's given to them.

As far as what the PS4 looks like... who cares? If there are great games for it then people will buy it even if it looks like shit.

These are the hardcore gaming consoles, so of course the presentation that emphasizes *games* more is going to get more praise from *gamers*. And yes, I'm sure E3 will shake things up with a bigger emphasis on actual games from both companies.

So who cares what other people think... just get the console that has more of what you like.

  

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270. "im not arguing opinions"
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my point is that its too early and i made an acknowledgement before that i switched sides from ps2 to xbox with the last system launch. i just think its way too early to be throwing jabs already.

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271. "It's typical fanboy shit."
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You're getting worked up over other people getting worked up. It's the internet, just let it go.

  

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254. "Last gen was SD to HD."
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Generation before that was 2D to 3D.
Not sure what this generation is.

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354. "it will take probably 5 years to see a true delta...i agree"
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price gotta be right...

Sony and M$ can kill Nintendo or let it live based on the price for the systems...

i don't expect a big jump like that...this gen is more focused on the casual appeal more than anything else...

  

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245. "so if I have 3 kids...they EACH have to buy a game or only have one prof..."
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248. "Sell off 2 of them kids, goofnugget."
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250. "Yes. ball out nigga"
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xbox for all 3 kids, 3 copies of a game. 3 live accounts. 3 tv's
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253. "how many copies do you buy now?"
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261. "LMAO AWESOME"
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263. "ok so after reading all the gripes"
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im curious. what is it that bothers people about this next xbox? so far i know the issue with used games and focus on tv/entertainment over games. but was there anything specific as far as gameplay/quality mentioned that makes you think this experience will be inferior to ps4? im not talking about BC or any of the trivial stuff, im talking about next gen games. Im wondering if im missing something that was mentioned in terms of technical specs.

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264. "PS4 has a better GPU"
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and the general fear is, unlike PS4 which seemed to go all in on the games as far as their presentation is concerned...that the Xbox One unveiling as an entertainment center means that they won't be focused on their core audience, gamers.

On top of that the game related announcements tend are confirming some of the worst fears (the online aspect, the DRM)


It was a fumble and badly played imho. At this stage in the game the only ones that care about a product announcement 6 months in advance are the hardcore and that's what the conference should have focused on. Save the 'It's a magical remote control!' stuff for the commercials around the release date where more casual people would be paying more attention to it. At the end of the day it will probably be the same X-box experience everyone is used to, but with a PS4 gunning hard for em this was a letdown.

  

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267. "Ha. Do ppl really think that?"
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>and the general fear is, unlike PS4 which seemed to go all in
>on the games as far as their presentation is concerned...that
>the Xbox One unveiling as an entertainment center means that
>they won't be focused on their core audience, gamers.

Do gamers really think MS is going to abandon the games part of the XBOX just because they talked about the entertainment portion in their first press conference? I'm not saying you think that, but anyone who has that fear is foolish. They even said their launching with 15 games this fall.

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277. "Yeah, but Sony hit you with a bunch of useless additions to gaming"
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in their conference.

Microsoft hit you with a bunch of useless additions to TV watching, lol.

As far as anyone really thinking the xbox has forgotten the core, of course not. But ultimately I think they did a shitty job of convincing a gamer to go and upgrade their Xbox outside of 'the graphics will be better'.

The mega-connectivity that PS4 offered with the streaming is going to be relatively niche in the US with the current infrastructure (hell, I can even stream a netflix movie in HD half the time), but it showed they at least they were focused on gaming.

  

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282. "RE: Ha. Do ppl really think that?"
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>>and the general fear is, unlike PS4 which seemed to go all
>in
>>on the games as far as their presentation is
>concerned...that
>>the Xbox One unveiling as an entertainment center means that
>>they won't be focused on their core audience, gamers.
>
>Do gamers really think MS is going to abandon the games part
>of the XBOX just because they talked about the entertainment
>portion in their first press conference? I'm not saying you
>think that, but anyone who has that fear is foolish. They
>even said their launching with 15 games this fall.

They said there would be 15 exclusive games within the first year, which is bullshit because they're probably talking about indie games, too. I don't think the 360 had 15 exclusive games in its entire life

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269. "so how is ps4 gunning hard then?"
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Microsoft at least announced details. Sony only mentioned the cloud for the most part. None of this is related to gaming really. What makes you believe that sony will be a better system to go with? ps3 supposedly had more power than 360, but it was collecting dust in my house. Live was a better experience for me.

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273. "*Answers*"
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>What makes you believe that sony will be a better
>system to go with?

Right today, two things give Sony an early edge. This edge is subject to change upon market conditions. Microsoft's anti-consumer policy rub me the wrong way. That fee could be $20. This will be a problem because every game isn't worth $60 especially during the first year of launch.

I'm very concerned about privacy. The Xbone is always watching and always on. They went too far. Let's talk about graphics.

>ps3 supposedly had more power than 360, but
>it was collecting dust in my house.

The PS3 does have more power than the 360. Peep the comparison videos on Gametrailers.com. The first next gen Final Fantasy shows the real un-gimped difference between the two consoles. We're not even talking about the difference in exclusives either.

Having said all that, I just registered for XBL. Microsoft won the battle for the living room hub from Apple and Google with the Xbone.

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274. "You're discounting PS4's announcement."
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By saying Sony "only mentioned the cloud" is doing the cloud a disservice.

If executed correctly, conceivably you'll be able to browse channels of games your friends and other people are playing live. You can then start watching them play or download that game so you can start playing it yourself. Presumably you'd also be able to share saved states and switch off playing the same game (for example, switching off in a single player game like Uncharted).

Then if you're in the middle of a game on your PS4, you can send that saved state to your PS Vita and play anywhere as long as you have an internet connection.

These are all pretty interesting features to me. I never fuck with mobile platforms but I would definitely get a Vita just for this. Tether it to your smartphone and be able to use your PS4 anywhere? Shit, 100 hour+ JRPG's ain't no thing if I can grind while on the toilet at work.

Of course, it remains to be seen if it'll all actually work that way. I'm guessing there are going to be a number of issues at launch. But that sort of stuff excites me way more than being able to Skype from my TV.

But if the better games (for me) are on Xbox? Then I'm getting an Xbox. I would imagine that applies to most gamers, no?

  

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280. "from what i heard them talk about,"
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you can watch others game footage with 360 just as well. Vita seems to really be the only difference here. I am not sure how much vita will tempt me though. Honestly i am more interested in watching netflix then watching others play. But really, the reason I bring up these questions, and maybe its because its so early, but I really don't see a huge reason to decide one over the other quite yet. And yet i se alot of people already bashing xbox. But i wonder why, thats why i ask. Honestly, nothing they mentioned, the lack of bc, the internet connection not even the used games thing (i really barely deal with those) makes me want to pick one over the other quite yet. Bt so many are up in arms

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283. "I don't believe you can watch live streams on Xbox."
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And if that's true, you definitely won't be able to share saved states on Xbox with friends. This is probably the most intriguing feature to me personally, because there are a number of single player games out there that me and my friends would love to play together.

With that said though, again, it seems like you're getting way too defensive about what others say about it. Who cares? Things will change at E3 anyways, so why not wait till then to defend the Xbox?

  

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272. "PS3 had more power than 360 but it didn't make a difference"
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because at their core they're going to be putting out similar quality games. It won't be a great leap in quality like it was from Wii to PS3.

  

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275. "Dude, half these guys don't have HD TV's."
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I don't expect them to know the difference between this generation and a Sega Genesis.

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322. "you're discounting the fact that the PS3 was hard to develop for"
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and didn't get developer priority because the 360 had larger install base (came out first) and M$ was flat out BUYING exclusive content and had a huge marketing advantage with damn near every game commercial ending in "now available on xbox"

two of those major hurdles won't be here this time around
the ps4 architecture is PC based and it will debut earlier
of course M$ can still buy exclusive content like they're doing with the EA titles

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276. "E3 is around the corner"
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i can see why they did it this way
nobody was gonna wanna hear this tv shit at all after that

  

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291. "LOL. there hasn't been shit confirmed"
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you should know what you're talking about

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279. "I think a lot of people are jumping to conclusions"
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We should really reserve comments til E3.

Folks are getting up in arms that MS is so focused on entertainment and not games. Lets not forget they are launching 8 new IPs for the console this holiday. For all we know, MS may be dedicating their E3 presentation entirely to games.

It's just silly to make broad conclusions, for both MS and Sony, when we saw only half the story so far... E3 is going to be very interesting and I think we'll walk away with a better understanding of the cards in their hands.

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281. "really thats where i am"
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310. "* *Slow claps* *"
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284. "Hollander Cooper says all that needs to be said about One"
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http://www.gamesradar.com/xbox-one-always-online-used-game-killing-nightmare-we-feared/

Xbox One is the always-online, used-game-killing nightmare we feared

Keep calm and stop asking questions

Words: Hollander Cooper 23 hours, 43 minutes ago

Microsoft's public relations team couldn’t have been looking forward to yesterday's reveal. Sure, the console-maker was likely ecstatic about the event it hosted--exactly one hour of focused, buzzword-filled discussion about Kinect, Game of Thrones, and the mysterious Xbox One. But the moment the cameras went off, things were no longer under Microsoft’s control. Microsoft would have to speak to people, not at them. It would have to answer our questions, and come clean about the secrets it has held so closely for the years leading up to May 21, 2013.

Seriously, they couldn’t have been looking forward to it.

And for good reason: Microsoft knows the answers it has aren’t the ones we want to hear. For months, gamers have been talking about this worst-case scenario situation, painting the unannounced Xbox as amalgamation of every forum-goer's worst nightmares. "Could the system prevent used game sales?" they wondered. "Would it require an always-online internet connection?" they asked. Neither of these questions were answered during Microsoft's event for obvious reasons, but once the lights on the stage dimmed, the questions began.

When asked if the system would be always-online, Microsoft flatly said no. Good news! Soon after, an updated Q&A on the Xbox One website said, "No, it does not have to be always connected, but Xbox One does require a connection to the Internet." Alright, that's confusing, but either way, it's not always online, right? Except it is. In an interview with Kotaku, corporate vice president of Microsoft Phil Harrison said that the Xbox One would require a daily check-in in order to operate. That means if your internet access goes down for more than 24-hours, you won’t be able to play games. That, for all intents and purposes, is only a stone’s throw from always-online. Microsoft is acting that because it’s not literally “always” requiring an internet connection, that it technically isn’t “always” online. It’s just... often online. Usually online. Most of the time online.

This same spin has been hurdled towards preventing used game sales, another point of gamer contempt. At first, Wired was told that every single game will need to be installed onto the Xbox One, and that installing it onto another system would bring with it a small “Pre-owned fee” of some kind. Later, Harrison clarified this with a caveat: that this fee would be the entire cost of the game. So, in other words, you can put a used game in the system, but if you're not logged in with the account that redeemed the one-time-use code that came with the game you'll need to buy the game again to get it to work. Huh?

I don't know about you, but that sure sounds like a console that doesn't play used games. I mean, technically it can, in that you could spend $40 on a used game at GameStop, and then pay another $60 once you install the game to make it play, but that's not actually how things work. With that act, Microsoft is absolutely attempting to kill the used game market.

But, again, instead of providing additional information, Microsoft thought that changing the question would be a better solution. “While there have been many potential scenarios discussed,” Xbox’s Larry Hryb posted on his blog, “today we have only confirmed that we designed Xbox One to enable our customers to trade in and resell games at retail.” But that... doesn’t actually say anything. You can try to sell almost anything--no one is going to stop you. Thing is, if the game doesn’t function, no one is going to buy it. Again, Microsoft is playing a semantics game, and acting as though rewording the problem is a solution. It has since confirmed that it'll have some solution in place, possibly by allowing people to buy and sell games through Xbox Live, but the details haven't been fully worked out.

Microsoft is losing control of its message. It went into the May 21 event with hopes of convincing gamers that the Xbox One was the console of the future--the system that the last seven years have been leading up to. It wanted to convince you that your concerns surrounding some sort of mythical "always-on" console were silly, and that your worries about Xbox stopping you from buying and selling games were needless. But now, looking back, that's exactly what we've been given: the Xbox One is a next-gen console that's nearly always-online, with systems in place that will kill used game sales.

If we're wrong on this, and the system isn't everything everyone feared it would be, Microsoft needs to actually say something of substance--something of value. They're saying a lot of things, but there's no direction, and the mixed messages are muddled and hard to follow. Sure, it wants to hold some secrets for E3 so it can have a big, fun show, but it hasn't really afforded itself that option when all indications are that the Xbox One is what everyone was worried about. If nothing else, it needs to reapproach how it sugar coats bad news, because putting things off isn't going to help anyone.

You know that kid at parties who talks too much? Drink in hand, way too enthusiastic, ponderously well-educated in topics no one in their right mind should know about? Loud? Well, that kid’s occasionally us. GR Editorials is a semi-regular feature where we share our informed insights on the news at hand. Sharp, funny, and finger-on-the-pulse, it’s the information you need to know even when you don’t know you need it.

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286. "there is literally no way to plea cop this shit. NONE."
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if youre cool w/ what MS is doing w/ the X1, well then i got a shit sandwich for you that youll probably enjoy too.

there are no games they can announce, no exclusives, that will overcome the issues w/ the platform itself. at least not for me.

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288. "they ain't getting my $"
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The DRM 24 hour check in fuckery is too much.

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323. "yea i'm not clear what they mean with that...."
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so if my internet is off for 24 hours the xbox won't work until it comes back on?
imagine if some one moved to a new crib and the comcast guy set the appointment to install your broadband at the end of the week.....
somebody going to be reading BOOKS lmao
wtf

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297. "*Attempts to defend this fuckboy BS*"
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Y'ALL NIGGAS BROKE BECAUSE YOU DON'T OWN AN HDTV!
ENJOY PS+'HATER.
IT CAN'T BE THIS BAD STOP OVERRACTING.

I wouldn't be concerned if the fee was $5. However, full price for a launch game two years later is utter BS. Game sales could suffer as a result of this. This places pressure on publishers because every game ain't worth $60. Factor in psychic benefit and the natural decrease in value of physical goods over time and this looks even more ridiculous.

It's more than likely a situation where you can play used games but you don't have to install them. Xbox Live's value proposition just got harder if this policy remains in place. Having said that, this is some delicious nerd rage. It's beautiful. Head over to ***gaf to watch them to in on this.

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301. "How would you quantify "psychic benefit", exactly? "
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305. "Psychic benefit is 28 percent of the value of product or service."
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http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/6874079/psychic-benefits-nba-lockout

Once again, a two year old launch game will not be worth full price. Madden wasn't worth it two years after the launch of PS3. Ditto for Perfecf Dark Zero on X360.

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298. "This doesn't concern me."
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This whole used game thing...FOR ME is a non issue.
Won't ever be cause I don't buy used games.
I honestly didn't realize it was THAT big a deal...ha.
I can't stand shopping at Gamestop..ha ha.

The only thing I may raise an eyebrow to is:

"In an interview with Kotaku, corporate vice president of Microsoft Phil Harrison said that the Xbox One would require a daily check-in in order to operate. That means if your internet access goes down for more than 24-hours, you won’t be able to play games."

If my internet goes down/disconnects for a period of time, will I have access to games I purchased that I installed on the hard drive? Are they saying I would not be able to play offline? I need more information with how that works. Other than that, that's my only concern.

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302. "RE: This doesn't concern me."
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>This whole used game thing...FOR ME is a non issue.
>Won't ever be cause I don't buy used games.
>I honestly didn't realize it was THAT big a deal...ha.
>I can't stand shopping at Gamestop..ha ha.
>
>The only thing I may raise an eyebrow to is:
>
>"In an interview with Kotaku, corporate vice president of
>Microsoft Phil Harrison said that the Xbox One would require a
>daily check-in in order to operate. That means if your
>internet access goes down for more than 24-hours, you won’t be
>able to play games."
>
>If my internet goes down/disconnects for a period of time,
>will I have access to games I purchased that I installed on
>the hard drive?

Not if it's been more than 24 hours since your last online check-in

Are they saying I would not be able to play
>offline?

No. That's what seems really insidious about all of this

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304. "I'm hoping more info comes out this summer."
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Lucky for me I don't believe in buying consoles on launch day, so I have time to wait and watch.

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315. "I'm with you -- used games are for the weak"
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AND

they've already started charging essentially license fees on used games via online pass purchases. if there is a PERSON ALIVE still buying current release games without accessing ANY of the online options associated with that game, I just don't know. I have had to actually correct dumbass Gamestop employees to fetch me a new SKU instead of a used one on older titles because (1) I want the sale being registered for the publisher and (2) I'm aware that they've started locking out online features unless you have a registration code with the game.

all these people acting like the death of used games is some kind of apocalypse for the average gamer seriously need to log off and focus more on a better getting a better goddamn paycheck.

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324. "do you buy games that were released 2-3 yrs ago?"
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honestly the only games i buy NEW are sports games for obvious reasons
everything else? unless i'm just hype as shit for it (GTAV) i cop that shit on my whim and typically that's months to years later
there are games i NEVER would have bought if i had to buy them brand new
either cause i'm just not that pressed for the title or i missed the boat completely
the difference between me copping an old game basically just to be copping the shit could really be brand "new" @ $40-50 dollars or $15-20 used off amazon
under this scenario what is the logical reasoning for someone to prefer the brand new version?
just to get to say you're the only person that owned the disc?
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287. "people do realize E3 is only like a couple weeks away tho right?"
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That's kinda the reason they weren't showing games at the Reveal.

  

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289. "Nah, they should have shown SOMETHING"
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Even if it was some cross platform stuff.

how you gonna launch a game system with no games.

This was a gaffe. plain and simple.

  

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290. "well it must be if you say so"
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http://card.mygamercard.net/lastgame/rjcc.png

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299. "IVE GOT RECIEPTS"
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Unlike the PS4, "Good!, but it was pretty goddamn long and boring", the reaction to the announcement has been pretty 'meh' to 'OMG ALWAYS ONLINE AND NO USED GAME ILL NEVER BUY IT'

Obviously it's all reactionary, and E3 will see a reshuffle of the deck and long term no difference.

However, I don't think you can look at the reaction and say it was what a corporate entity would want when they launch their flagship product. Compare this post to the PS4 post.

It was a gaffe.

  

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364. "RE: well it must be if you say so"
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He's hardly the only one saying so

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292. "they didn't show games because they're behind schedule"
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We'll see.

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294. "I'd agree if they had shown this in March"
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but 3 weeks away from E3? To me they got out the non-gaming aspect now and then turn to games at E3. That's what I'm thinking.

  

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293. "Didnt the PS3 get shit for attempting to be the all in one "
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entertainment console when it first dropped too?


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300. "RE: Didnt the PS3 get shit for attempting to be the all in one "
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>entertainment console when it first dropped too?

That's not what most people are complaining about, in fact, most non-gamers I know found the multitasking demo to be the most compelling thing about XB1, but the question is: are they going to buy it? I doubt it.

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307. "no it got shat on because 599 USD, "giant enemy crab""
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and "Get a second job"

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295. "one thing I do want to know is the kind of video file support"
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I'd love to be able to connect my external hard drives with mkvs and mts files up to it and have all my media running through it while also having it decode DTS-HD and DDTrueHD.

  

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296. "Swipe from Penny Arcade RE: Used Games"
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http://penny-arcade.com/report/article/the-death-of-used-games-and-control-of-the-second-hand-market-could-be-the

long swipe.

The Xbox One will kill used games and control second-hand sales, and that’s great news (Really!)

Microsoft stepped in a load of dog shit when news of fees to play used games and account-based permissions began to hit the press, and the lack of a cohesive message in this area has hurt the public’s perception of the upcoming Xbox One. The idea of the used game, at least as we understand it, may be coming to a close.

The surprising thing? That could be great news.

Figuring it all out

Microsoft still hasn’t given us all the information about how these policies will work, but we have some important clues to go on. We know that when we buy an Xbox One game at the store, we’re really just buying a license and a disc filled with the game’s content. It becomes a game as we understand it once the content is installed in our system, and we associate that game’s license with our Xbox Live account.

“Another piece of clarification around playing games at a friend’s house – should you choose to play your game at your friend’s house, there is no fee to play that game while you are signed in to your profile,” Microsoft’s Major Nelson posted on his site.

So you can play your games on another system, but you must use your account. This is good news for households with multiple systems, or people who like to game with their friends. It also means you can't “loan” a game to a friend anymore, as you’d have to give them access to your entire account. That’s not an appealing option for people who play often; giving up your entire account so a friend can borrow Tomb Raider isn’t the best solution to this problem.

For Microsoft, this isn’t a problem. If your friend wants to play the game, they can damn well buy it. And there is no indication of a “used” price anymore, if your friend puts your disc in their system, they can install the game, and then pay the full price to play it.

This is from Microsoft’s Phil Harrison, talking to Kotaku:

But what if you want to bring a game disc to a friend's house and play there? You'll have to pay a fee—and not just some sort of activation fee, but the actual price of that game—in order to use a game's code on a friend's account. Think of it like a new game, Harrison said.
“The bits that are on that disc, you can give it to your friend and they can install it on an Xbox One,” he said. “They would then have to purchase the right to play that game through Xbox Live.”
“They would be paying the same price we paid, or less?” we asked.
“Let’s assume it’s a new game, so the answer is yes, it will be the same price,” Harrison said.
-Kotaku
Keep in mind permissions work two ways: They’re both account based and hardware based. So you go buy Forza, you bring it home, is everyone who has an account on that box able to play it? “As far as I know the answer is yes. The answer is yes,” Microsoft’s Matt Booty told me. When you buy a game and install it on your Xbox One at home, your spouse and children will all be able to play using their own Xbox Live accounts.

So that should clear things up. You won’t be able to loan games, you can play your games on multiple systems as long as you install your account, and if anyone else wants to “buy” your disc, or the license to play the game on that disc, they have to pay full price. They're not charging you a fee to play used games, because there is no longer such a thing as “used games.” Just licenses.

But what about selling your games? This is where things get sticky.

“While there have been many potential scenarios discussed, today we have only confirmed that we designed Xbox One to enable our customers to trade in and resell games at retail,” Major Nelson stated. The fact he said retail is important, that seems to imply this system will somehow work at brick and mortar stores. But he might have spoken out of turn; it wouldn’t be the first time someone at Microsoft stated something about the Xbox One that turned out to be untrue.

Listen to what Harrison told Kotaku. “We will have a solution—we’re not talking about it today—for you to be able to trade your previously-played games online,” he said. What that likely means is that you’ll be able to trade your license for… something. Microsoft points, or credit towards another game, and Microsoft will simply remove the license from your account. Think about it this way: No used game is created from this scenario, it’s simply a license that is cancelled. That changes everything.

Based on this information, it sounds like you’ll be able to “sell” your used games, but no one except Microsoft will buy able to buy them. Microsoft becomes the entity that controls the entirety of the transaction, and no lower-priced tier of “used games” is ever created in this scenario. They simply give you some amount of something in exchange for turning off your license, while anyone who wants to play the game still has to pay full price.

Major Nelson's statement above seems to say that this system will somehow work at retail as well, but that doesn't mean GameStop isn't utterly boned in this scenario; they care about selling used games much more than they care about taking them in. The GameStop model only works if they get to pay you a low price for games they sell at a higher price. Microsoft's strategy seems to break that model in two. You buy every game “new” from Microsoft.

So why is this good news?

This is good news for a few reasons. The first is that piracy will likely be reduced. If the system phones home every so often to check on your licenses, and there is no way to play a game without that title being authenticated and a license being active, piracy becomes harder. You'll never be able to stop pirates, not entirely, but if you can make the act of pirating games non-trivial the incidence of piracy will drop. This is a good thing for everyone except those who want to play games for free.

Based on this information, it sounds like you’ll be able to “sell” your used games, but no one will buy able to buy them. Microsoft becomes the entity that controls the entirety of the transaction, and no lower-priced tier of 'used games' is ever created in this scenario.

So piracy reduction, although not elimination, will likely be a solid byproduct of this system.

The next thing is that the used-game market all but disappears. GameStop may not be able to aggressively hawk used games for $5 less than the new price to customers under these new controls, which is great if you're a developer or publisher. Once that secondary market is removed you can suddenly profit from every copy of your game sold, and as profit margins rise it's possible we'll see prices drop. Some stodgy publishers will likely stay with the $60 model, but they're dead companies walking already. The smart companies will see this opportunity to play with pricing and see what works and what doesn't.

Without the used market sucking up all those sales and all that consumer money, it's very possible we'll see Steam-style sales on older or bundled games on the Xbox One. It's not a sure thing, but killing used games is going to free up a ton of money for companies to try new ideas in terms of sales and pricing. The people who get innovative and take advantage of this structure will thrive. The rest are likely to slowly choke on the new economics of game development.

It needs to be made clear, if all the studio closings and constant lay-offs haven't made this explicit: The current economics of game development and sales are unsustainable. Games cost more to make, piracy is an issue, used-games are pushed over new, and players say the $60 cost is too high. Microsoft's initiatives with the Xbox One may solve many of these issues, even if we grumble about it. These changes ultimately make the industry healthier.

Also, the idea of artificial shortages will go away overnight. The next time a GameStop clerk gives you shit about not pre-ordering, tell him to get stuffed; all you need to do is find a disc to install the game and then buy the license. Microsoft doesn't even need to host the game files at this point, one person could buy a copy of a game, everyone installs it and buys a license, and suddenly ten people have purchased the game, although GameStop only received income from one sale. Pretty neat / terrible, right?

So what does this mean

This means that the market for console games is about to change, and the economics are going to get very interesting, very quickly. Removing the concept of buying a used game will lead to more sales for publishers, more control for Microsoft, but it could also lead to changes in how retail sells games, where the margins can be found in this business, and lower prices across the board. There is a whole lot of “ifs” in this scenario though, and it's possible GameStop could leverage its clout to stop some or part of this, but I'd love to see how all this shakes out.

These aren't crazy ideas. You can't sell your games on Steam, nor can you buy “used” Steam games. The same with iTunes. And e-books, with some exceptions. So selling content that can't be resold or purchased used isn't weird, it's becoming the norm. What's innovative is that Microsoft may offer a way for you to get credit back for licenses you no longer use.

Of course, Sony also told us that we would be able to trade in our old PSP games for some kind of credit on the PSP Go, and then the company just kind of dropped the entire idea. At this stage in the game the situation is likely fluid, and could change at any time.

The possibilities are fascinating though, and potentially good for both gamers and publishers. I'm excited to see where all this goes.


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303. "If they let the developers have a say in price level..."
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then I could get with this. Finding the "true" price points for older games is the best way to combat piracy. There's mounds of evidence that confirms that distribution and a reasonable price are the two things needed to drop piracy.

If Microsoft prices and promotes this service like Steam (and not like the 360), then this can be very beneficial for the industry.

And hey, I'll eat crow. This is an application that renders "always on" actually very important. If they can even somewhat replicate a market like Steam, then that service will be well worth having a persistent connection. I didn't think it was possible but the importance of maintaining the integrity of the digital copies (and its previous "owners") legitimizes the need for "always on".

  

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314. "so basically "if this obvious Steam rip-off ends up like Steam...""
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"you'll eat crow"

I mean, cry all you want about the death of the used games market (if that's driving you to not buy a console, guess what? Microsoft and their publishers don't care about you as a consumer. Only Gamestop does.) but it's pretty obvious Microsoft is pushing for the DD model here. there's just as much reason to be optimistic as there is reason to be pessimistic, and the bottom line is no one can say with any certainty until the shit ships.

BUT
BUT BUT

there is a LARGE amount of precedence for how digital distribution models end up heavily in favor of the consumer. everyone whining now is basically the same shithead at your job who cries cuz they got a newer, better version of a program which means they have to change their daily routine.

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318. "yep. nobodys screaming about used games on Steam or iOS."
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Nghs are gonna cry murder when discs go away.

  

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321. "Umm... I think you misread me."
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I have zero desire to see the current used game model succeed. I don't remember the last game I played that wasn't bought new. I haven't rented or borrowed a game in forever, and I haven't even set foot in a Gamestop in at least two years. I have no issues with the business model (because they found a niche and filled it) but I realize that it does nothing for the platforms nor the developers.

When I said "I'll eat crow" I meant with regards to "always on" DRM. Initially I didn't see any need for "always on" but if Microsoft wants to revamp the used game market into a digitally distributed one, then I'll eat crow regarding "always on" DRM....

IF...

Microsoft lets developers have some say in pricing.

If the prices are as shittily managed as the marketplace currently exists on XBL, then it's not going to take off. Steam works because selling old-ish games at progressively lower price points mean the developers get a steady revenue stream and a continually growing fanbase. But pricing year old games at full retail price isn't going to do shit. If the market doesn't push serious sales, then that "always on" DRM is going to feel really restrictive.

Again, like I've always said, it's about the games. This is what makes PS+ so attractive and what makes Steam so beloved. Give gamers easy and cheap access to games, and they will put up with anything.

  

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306. "Lol @ the dumb shit goin on in here"
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It's like some of y'all are in rival gangs talkin bout which one rep the hardest.

Taking sides on systems and shit when we know they are all gonna be good. Ps4 gon have some amazing exclusive shit and so is XB1. Wait until E3 to see the "games" that should be out when the system launches up until a year after. Sony and M$ got the console shit locked down. Really the only two that matter which means a huge plus for the gamers because it'll be great competition.

I plan on getting both no matter what so this versus shit is annoying as hell.

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309. "yeah the back and forth makes me no difference"
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I'm coppin both systems.

  

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308. "After finally seeing the press conference, I totally get all the anger"
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Compared to the Sony press conference, I don't think there was ANY actual information in that show. The Kinect stuff all felt especially faked, games via stream don't look any better than this generation (I'm sure they do, but on a stream no) and they still didn't say "and all the services you already subscribe to that have an app on our service will join the Silver family of services for XBox One!" so for me...I heard a lot of buzz words, and very little substance.


All those features might be cool - maybe they even work - but having not been sold on either of the previous two Microsoft consoles, this presentation did EVERYTHING to push me further away from being interested in the machine. I'd like to imagine I'm open to having a Microsoft machine in my house, but at this point Sony's feeling like my gaming Apple. Even if they make mistakes, I'd prefer to grow through Sony's mistakes with them than try and adjust to life in the XBox Live ecosystem.


I'd like to be proven wrong but this presentation was a serious blow to my interests in being a multi-console owner for the first time since PS2/Gamecube. I spent an hour listening to absolute NONSENSE (not even the concepts, just the words being used on stage and in the sizzle reels) backed by some neat looking slides.


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320. "^^^Truthiness"
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325. "you're missing out then bro, your lost"
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when i play Forza and my 360 is humming loud as shit sounding like an airplane taking off i like to pretend that's the grumble from the throaty V8 engine i'm driving in the game
that's an immersive experience i NEVER got on my ps3
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336. "lmao"
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343. "LOL"
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"more information" at a conference where no one touched the controller or saw the box.

ok.


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311. "Interesting New Yorker article"
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http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/elements/2013/05/the-future-of-video-games-a-box-and-a-cloud.html

May 23, 2013

The Future of Video Games: A Box and a Cloud

Posted by Matt Buchanan

Thinking about the next generation of video-game consoles yesterday, I kept coming back to the same question: How can Microsoft or Sony possibly design and build a box with the staying power to sit under your television for the next several years? Over the seven-year life spans of Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3, Microsoft and Sony just barely managed to keep up with the emergence of social media and streaming video by relying on software updates. But given how radically things have changed in the past seven years—YouTube, instant Netflix, Twitter, the iPhone, and the iPad are all things that didn’t exist when the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 arrived—it’s clear that this generation cannot stay relevant for another seven years through update downloads alone.

Late on Tuesday at Microsoft’s campus, where the company had just unveiled the Xbox One, I huddled with four of the people most responsible for the new console and the universe of Microsoft services that come together to make it work: Ilan Spillinger, vice-president of hardware and technology; David Treadwell, vice-president of engineering; Carl Ledbetter, the creative director and principal designer; and Boyd Multerer, Xbox’s director of development. We were at one end of a giant table covered in dozens of prototype consoles, controllers, and Kinect sensors. The evolution of the new box was illustrated across an expanse of grey particle board, the final, essentialist design of the machine and its accessories whittled down from a series of rounder, smoother, and more complex concepts. The walls were plastered from floor to ceiling with mockups, ideas, and inspirations, like a poster depicting “1 ” sliced in half. (The aspect ratio of high-def televisions is 1 , and the Xbox One’s design is composed of a series of 1 rectangles, Ledbetter explained.)

The way forward partly involves embracing the fact that even the near future cannot be predicted with anything approaching certainty. “There’s so much change, going so fast, I can’t predict what it’s going to be,” said Multerer, who spoke in complete, thoughtful paragraphs, with a cadence indicating that any gap was simply lag time in translating his thoughts into language I could understand. “Once you go there, it kind of changes your philosophy. Not knowing, and having the flexibility, is the feature.”

In some ways, the Xbox One will evolve over its lifetime much like the previous generation of consoles did. “The hardware platform will be constant for many years,” said Treadwell. “We may change it, make it more quiet, reduce price, those kinds of things. But the hardware platform is basically fixed. Make it smaller, yes. But the software and the services will change significantly over time.” Where the new console differs, powerfully and fundamentally, from previous iterations is its deep reliance on the cloud. The room I was sitting in, splaying out the guts of the machine, revealed only a small part of the Xbox One.

The raw numbers make this apparent—Xbox Live, Microsoft’s online-gaming service, is currently powered by fifteen thousand servers, but that will increase to three hundred thousand for the Xbox One. (It is a lot of processing power.) “We’ve thought of how we architect Live to cloud-power everything that the console does,” explained Marc Whitten, the chief product officer for Microsoft’s Interactive Entertainment Business unit. Features that were rigid and fixed for the previous console have been relocated to the cloud, where they can live and breathe and evolve. Microsoft can’t change the hardware of the Xbox One for several years, but it can constantly update its cloud infrastructure with more (and more powerful) computers. Software features and new experiences can be implemented instantly without needing to push a chunky update down to a user’s console.

It used to be that games shipped only once they were finalized and done, their code set forever in silicon or plastic. Now, developers have the ability to send users game updates with new features or bug fixes. The next generation promises something even more dynamic: a game that constantly changes. Eric Hirshberg, the president and C.E.O. of Activision, publisher of the juggernaut Call of Duty series of first-person shooters (which holds the record for “the biggest entertainment launch of all time in any medium”) told me, for instance, that “learning the maps” through rote memorization of the best hiding places and assault points will be a thing of the past, since the new architecture allows maps to vary every time they are played: an earthquake may knock out a favorite hiding place, while inclement weather ruins a sniper perch. Learning a map won’t mean learning locations, it will mean learning the processes that can shape and re-shape it over time.

Whitten offered an even more profound example of what the cloud can offer gaming. Today, he explained, “most games work on artificial intelligence … There’s this bounding box that’s close to where you, as a player, are that’s running full A.I. In the rest of it, it is running a very simplified model.” Whitten then let his hand fall to the table with a thump. “And you wait for someone to come there. Suddenly, a world can be experiencing a shared simulation for long periods of time, in a persistent manner, regardless of where you are.” To explain this another way: imagine that you are the center of the universe, and everything exists solely for your benefit. People only interact when they’re in your presence; the sun shines only when you’re looking outside; dogs only bark and wag their tails when they see you; and so on. This is how most A.I.-governed worlds in games work now. Now imagine “The Matrix,” in which billions of people participated in an ongoing virtual world that, like real life, was shaped by infinitely complex dynamics, all powered by countless machines. Whitten was quick to offer a caveat for his scenario: “This is a hypothetical; I’m not talking about a specific game or anything like that.” Regardless, artificial intelligence powered by thousands of machines can be a lot smarter than A.I. powered by a single console, particularly four years into the future.

Given the One’s dependence on the cloud, it’s odd that the console comes with a Blu-Ray optical drive. This is a result of timing. In 2013, it’s not feasible for everyone around the world to download a fifty-gigabyte game over an Internet connection. But the system was designed to move, eventually, to an entirely cloud-based ecosystem. “We actually play the game off the hard drive,” Multerer explained. “So it kind of doesn’t matter if the bits are streamed down off the net or if they are streamed off the disc.” (In fact, some gamers are disappointed that the games will be tied to online accounts rather than to the actual disc, meaning they’ll no longer be able to loan games or give them away to friends—a separate license must be purchased for every account.) Whitten says that he thinks the company will soon offer a more robust environment around digital downloads, which were marginalized with the Xbox 360. “I believe a lot that this sort of physical and digital ecosystem is going to be one ecosystem,” he said. It’s easy to imagine using the One in just a few years to stream an entire game on the fly, much the way you might stream a movie with Netflix. (A company called OnLive offered a basic service of this kind, but it collapsed. Another, Gaikai, was sold to Sony for three hundred and eighty million dollars.)

The ability to evolve continuously allows for a certain kind of future-proofing in the design of games themselves. Multerer offered another example, made possible by the Xbox One’s Kinect camera, which can recognize individual players and even detect when the controller is handed off to a different person. “Someone’s playing a game and they hand to you for help. You get them over that hump. Do they get that achievement for getting over that hard thing? Do you get an achievement for helping someone get over a hard thing? Or do both people get achievements? That’s determined in the cloud … We don’t know at game design, because we don’t know what’s going to be fun; let’s push that off to the cloud.” Game designers can build gaps into their games knowing that they can come up with better ideas later.

This is all a way of saying that the console of the next seven or so years looks less and less like a glossy, stealth-bomber-shaped box sitting in front of your television—and more like thousands of ugly boxes sitting in a highly air-conditioned warehouse hundreds or thousands of miles away from your living room.

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317. "."
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319. "RE: Next Gen Xbox Reveal May 21"
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The conspiracy theorist in me says that Microsoft must have backing from a lot of folk within the video game industry that want to see used gaming dead.

That's the only thing I can think of as to why MS is going so hard on this licensing thing.

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328. "yea i think it's obvious what's motivating this move"
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>The conspiracy theorist in me says that Microsoft must have
>backing from a lot of folk within the video game industry that
>want to see used gaming dead.

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327. "This whole conversation is just so fucking stupid."
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It's stupid. It's stupid.

Goddamn I hate this part of a console cycle.
Just a bunch of fan fuckboys just being twats.

If there wasn't a huge need to hype up both boxes, I'd prefer them to pull a Saturn and release that shit the same day that it's announced. It's a fucked strategy but at least we don't have to hear the war drums of the CONSOLE ZEALOTS.

Fuck.

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329. "i agree with this"
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330. "You'd figure people on here would know better"
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Being a bit more mature and all
It's like a bunch of fuckin kids on a video game message board trying to justify one system being far superior to the other because they don't have the money to cop both.

Shit ain't gonna be out for months. These fuckboys can start saving up now. There is no excuse since both will have awesome exclusives.

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332. "I'm enjoying it."
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This must be what the PHONE WAAAARRZ look like to outsiders. It gives me perspective.

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338. "Oh you wanted console wars, CONSOLE WARS HERE NOW SEE"
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Fuck the xbox. Fuck yall for saying we shouldn't argue cause we should just buy both. Fuck you InfinitePlanet. I dont want to do that shit. I wanna argue how Sony shits all over microsoft in the console wars cause its good for my blood pressure. Fuck that square headed west indian RJCC too.

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341. "lol dying."
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>Fuck that square headed west indian RJCC too.
>

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373. "lmao"
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>Fuck that square headed west indian RJCC too.

  

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331. "a little more info on trade in program"
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http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/publishers-to-receive-cut-of-xbox-one-pre-owned-sales-at-retail/0116137

Retailers will be free to charge whatever they wish for pre-owned Xbox One games, but both Microsoft and publishers will take a percentage cut of every sale.

Retail sources have told MCV that Microsoft has this week briefed key retail partners on how it intends to take ownership of the pre-owned market.

This is how we’ve been told it will all work:

A gamer walks into a retailer and hands over the game they wish to sell. This will only be possible at retailers who have agreed to Microsoft’s T&Cs and more importantly integrated Microsoft’s cloud-based Azure pre-owned system into its own.

The game is then registered as having been traded-in on Microsoft’s system. The consumer who handed it over will subsequently see the game wiped from their account – hence the until now ambiguous claim from Phil Harrison that the Xbox One would have to ‘check in’ to Microsoft’s servers every 24 hours.

The retailer can then sell the pre-owned game at whatever price they like, although as part of the system the publisher of the title in question will automatically receive a percentage cut of the sale. As will Microsoft. The retailer will pocket the rest.

Unconfirmed reports on ConsoleDeals.co.uk suggest that retail’s slice will be as little as ten per cent. That’s a significant cut from what it has become accustomed to from pre-owned sales and more in line with what they would receive from the sale of a new game – hence, the value of the pre-owned market to the retailer is effectively destroyed.

These same unconfirmed reports also suggest that the activation cost for consumers buying or borrowing pre-owned software will be £35.

When contacted by MCV Microsoft responded with the following statement: “We know there is some confusion around used games on Xbox One and wanted to provide a bit of clarification on exactly what we’ve confirmed.

"While there have been many potential scenarios discussed, we have only confirmed that we designed Xbox One to enable our customers to trade in and resell games at retail. Beyond that, we have not confirmed any specific scenarios. Another piece of clarification around playing games at a friend’s house – should you choose to play your game at your friend’s house, there is no fee to play that game while you are signed in to your profile.”

UPDATE: Many readers are asking whether the £35 will be additional cost on top of the price of buying the game. No, we believe that the £35 figure – which is not our number, incidentally – would cover the entire transaction. If correct this would leave retail with a cut per sale of around £3.50.

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333. "Ha. By the time this happens..."
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>The retailer can then sell the pre-owned game at whatever
>price they like, although as part of the system the publisher
>of the title in question will automatically receive a
>percentage cut of the sale. As will Microsoft. The retailer
>will pocket the rest.

...the person eventually buying the used game will pay almost full price.

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334. "Ugh. This will drive prices up."
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I was hoping Microsoft would manage the resale market and cut out the used game retailers, but that doesn't look to be the case now.

  

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337. "not only that but me and you cant sell our used games on ebay"
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so we are forced to go through gamestop and other shitty retailers and get $5 a game.

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346. "^^^^THIS"
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this is probably the most fucked up part because you literally have no choice but to sell your games to specific stores that support this and they'll determine the value of the title even if you could sell it yourself elsewhere in the past for more $.

fucking insane that this is happening. I know it makes sense business wise, I just don't want to accept it.

Basically, as consumers we're going to be even more aware of what titles we're purchasing. You'll probably never see me buy a game before reviews come out now since the value is no longer my decision should I decide to sell it.

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335. "god, fuck Microsoft"
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nickel and fucking dime man, smh
jesus ps4 christ come save me

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344. "lolllllll"
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you think sony's not doing it?

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345. "what if Sony does this too?"
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has there been any confirm on them not doing this?

Seems odd to me that M$ would be THIS drastic without knowing something about Sony too.

From what Sessler has said, Sony hasn't stated they are used game friendly.....at least not yet.

From the backlash that we all have seen from this XB1 reveal, if Sony comes out and says they are used game friendly, I wouldn't doubt M$ back-peddles to a degree.

If Sony comes out and takes the M$ stance, then its a simple case of collusion to force the GameStops of the world to give up some of that money.

I doubt Sony will side with M$ on that because hell, sony owns stake in blu-ray which is in every XB1, but i'm just curious to see what E3 has in store.



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348. "SPM: "Nobody buys used games young bul.""
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Sony is an innovator.

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355. "i'd rock the 360 till the shit broke down then......"
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which would probably be early 2014
but still

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339. "I don't believe it... they can't"
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STOP HATIN AND GET MONEY MY NIGGA

  

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340. "RE: a little more info on trade in program"
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The consumer who handed it over will
>subsequently see the game wiped from their account

Am I the only one who read this?

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342. "makes sense...."
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games played on disc, if you sell it, you sell the game as a whole, so that's not surprising.

The main point to me is them basically forcing you to pay regular price, or some kinda fee on top of the used price you paid, just because they hating on GameStop and the like, selling second hand and they (M$) is not receiving any proceeds from the second hand sell.

That's what this shit is all about....

They hate that.

It's lost revenue.

Game stop sells a used joint for 20 and M$ isn't getting a cut....M$ want's a cut.

GameFly rents for whatever and M$ isn't receiving a cut....you know the drill.

That's what this this ALL about. $$$$$

Imagine going to a record store that sells used records and when you get to the register, the store charges $15 for the record, they scans and say "oh btw...the label will charge $5 for rights of usage.....that will be $20..thanks."

WTF?!?!?!

Second hand is how alotta people operate at times...

So mofo's trying to control your garage sale too??????? smfh

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Wonderl33t
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347. "IMO it's the death knell for Gamestop, and M$ is just"
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beating around the bush. They'd rather kill them slowly out of respect than just let the guillotine drop. The cash flow is now a one-way street headed straight for Redmond Washington. Not a diss, honestly. I patronize Steam plenty and that is their approximate model, and I don't mind the model at all because I get great games for crazy crazy cheap.

I think M$ is just beating around the bush here because the trade-in model doesn't make much sense. Trade back your game license for some M$ pellets redeemable toward other games? There's no market to set a value except for what some M$ adjusters decide. So I guess the more time that elapses from the release date of the game, the fewer M$ pellets you'll get in return for the license. Sounds a bit silly. Which I why I think M$ is just trying to not make themselves seem like the executioner of Gamestop.

>games played on disc, if you sell it, you sell the game as a
>whole, so that's not surprising.
>
>The main point to me is them basically forcing you to pay
>regular price, or some kinda fee on top of the used price you
>paid, just because they hating on GameStop and the like,
>selling second hand and they (M$) is not receiving any
>proceeds from the second hand sell.
>
>That's what this shit is all about....
>
>They hate that.
>
>It's lost revenue.
>
>Game stop sells a used joint for 20 and M$ isn't getting a
>cut....M$ want's a cut.
>
>GameFly rents for whatever and M$ isn't receiving a cut....you
>know the drill.
>
>That's what this this ALL about. $$$$$
>
>Imagine going to a record store that sells used records and
>when you get to the register, the store charges $15 for the
>record, they scans and say "oh btw...the label will charge $5
>for rights of usage.....that will be $20..thanks."
>
>WTF?!?!?!
>
>Second hand is how alotta people operate at times...
>
>So mofo's trying to control your garage sale too??????? smfh

  

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The DC Sniper
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349. "RE: IMO it's the death knell for Gamestop, and M$ is just"
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Which I why I
>think M$ is just trying to not make themselves seem like the
>executioner of Gamestop.

Why the fuck not? People hate GameStop

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350. "probably because they're waiting for Sony to say it too at E3"
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That's my bet. I highly doubt this would be a MS only model for the future.

  

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352. "While I wouldn't doubt Sony is planning something similar..."
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if Sony ends up cutting the retailer out and manages the market themselves, then they could conceivably dominate the "used" game market with extremely competitive pricing (which they've proven open to with PS+).

  

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367. "lol @ "its only fair when sony does it" mentality"
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369. "Did you even read the posts before it?"
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It has nothing to do with Sony, but rather how the anticipated business model is structured. If Microsoft does keep the used game retailer in the equation (and lets them set the pricing) then the consumer does NOT benefit. Same deal with Sony IF they keep the used game retailer in the equation.

And, like I said, if Sony cuts the retailer out (and/or if Microsoft does too) then the consumer stands to benefit GREATLY.

GTFO here with this fanboy shit. I've never owned a SINGLE Playstation, going all the way back to the PSX, and I've only owned an Xbox 360. I'm basing all my posts on what information is being leaked out, not on some preconceived agenda to push one platform or another.

  

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353. "Gamestop is on its last leg"
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with this and the future possibly moving to DL content they will be SOL. I hope they make a serious push to go the steam route this generation. Then maybe the next generation physical discs are gone completely.

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351. "Till I saw IGN, I didn't realize this - One4U"
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356. "I'm just checking in to say I ain't ever paid more than $20 "
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for a video game, ever, and I been gaming since Atari

Y'all stuntastic ones who NEVER buy used games? Why not?

  

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357. "I stopped getting used games because of PC gaming."
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Unless it's something I want to get first day (like XCOM), then I just wait for it to be heavily discounted on Steam or Amazon or myriad other sites. Like Tomb Raider, which just dropped to $14 and it barely came out in March. Not all games get discounted at the same rate, but it's virtually inevitable that a game you've had your eye on will get decently discounted within the next six months.

  

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358. "Same. Used console games are too expensive - I just do Steam etc."
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359. "When GTA5 drops..."
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...I'm not waiting for it to become available used.

Like, why? I want to play it now.
Same goes for NBA 2K (most of the time).
And part of me like purchasing the game new in support of developers.
Plus buying the game is my way of voting saying, "I approve of this product. Continue making them."

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376. "because I have money?"
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if you can't afford to spend more than $20 then that sucks for you

if you don't think you get more than $20 of enjoyment out of a game, then fuckit, you don't really like gaming all that much, no big loss.



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389. "as a kid i spent 20 in the arcade over a given weekend..."
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....with nothing to show for when i went home ....just pointing out how 50+ for a game to own isnt all that crazy

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360. "GameStop stock drops 19 percent in one week (swipe)"
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http://www.examiner.com/article/gamestop-stock-drops-19-percent-one-week






GameStop's stock dropped dramatically, concluding the trading week on May 24 down a massive 19 percent. This can be attributed to investor concerns regarding the Xbox One's used games market solution. The largest decline occured after a report out of the UK this morning claimed the company's margins in the pre-owned market would take a hit by others taking a cut.


Microsoft sent out a statement half an hour before trading closed this week, saying that "the ability to trade in and resell games is improtant to gamers and to Xbox. Xbox One is designed to support the trade in and resale of games. Reports about our polices for trade in and resale are inaccurate and incomplete." They went on to say they would disclose more information in the future.

GameStop's stock dropped today by nearly 11 percent, down by $3.90 per share, leaving share prices at $32.11. At the low end, GameStop's stock was down to $31 per share on May 24. The Company concluded its previous fiscal year with pre-owned games representing $2.4 billion in sales.

  

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361. "what incentive does MS have to be steam instead of origin?"
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362. "My real and honest thoughts. "
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Sorry I was trying to make the post go poast above simply for entertainment.

First off Gamestop is a horrible place to buy games. We have countless stories of people going in to make purchases and being harassed about pre-sales. The employee's don't give a fuck. I brought my PS3 from them back in 07 and I haven't made a purchase from them since them. So good riddance.

Now gamefly I do like. I use it for 2 reasons. To try before I buy and to knock those fuck ass super short games out in one weekend. Mirror's Edge which was super short. I got that from gamefly and beat it in a weekend. If I would of brought that full price I would of been PISSED. PSN+ already has the 1 hour time trail system for alot of games which is great. I've downloaded and purchased several games this way. Hopefully Xbox will follow suit (not sure if they do already).

As far as microsoft goes hopefully they will bring the gaming heat at E3. I think when Microsoft is competitive Sony is also competitive and it benefits us the gamer.

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363. "death of console gaming"
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365. "RE: Next Gen Xbox Reveal May 21"
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Despite what jawless mutants like Roger Ebert think, video games ARE art and my biggest concern now is how we're going to preserve the culture of video games in the future. At some point, the Xbox One will be obsolete. Microsoft will eventually decide to shut down its servers and instead cater to whatever new console they've released, and that's if Microsoft as a company still exists. So because of the internet authenticating system, these games won't even be playable offline anymore. There will be untold classics that will be released on this system that you won't be able to show your kids and grandkids. How does that make you guys feel?

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366. "please stop posting"
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368. "RE: please stop posting"
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Sorry. I didnt know I wasnt allowed to have an opinion, Hitler.

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370. "Wow."
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Besides being unnecessarily offensive towards Ebert, I vehemently disagree with everything you said here.

  

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371. "lol @ Microsoft no longer existing as a company"
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372. "RE: lol @ Microsoft no longer existing as a company"
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>wow

I doubt it will happen but dont act like its not possible.

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374. "Did people just stop using computers or something? "
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378. "and also, the idea of there being a future with non-ubiquitous internet."
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375. "Y'ALL SEE THIS??? "
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>Despite what jawless mutants like Roger Ebert think, video
>games ARE art and my biggest concern now is how we're going to
>preserve the culture of video games in the future. At some
>point, the Xbox One will be obsolete. Microsoft will
>eventually decide to shut down its servers and instead cater
>to whatever new console they've released, and that's if
>Microsoft as a company still exists. So because of the
>internet authenticating system, these games won't even be
>playable offline anymore. There will be untold classics that
>will be released on this system that you won't be able to show
>your kids and grandkids. How does that make you guys feel?

This nigga just said Microsoft might go out of business. Y'all high-tech dudes slipping. Once again, I'm shocked at how soft some of y'all have become over the years.

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379. "RE: Y'ALL SEE THIS??? "
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>This nigga just said Microsoft might go out of business. Y'all
>high-tech dudes slipping. Once again, I'm shocked at how soft
>some of y'all have become over the years.

Hey, idiot, That was the subtext of my fucking post. You know that, right? I don't know why you motherfuckers are focusing on that one sentence. I know that the possibility of Microsoft going under is about 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000:1, but that doesn't mean it can't happen, just like it doesn't mean that you definitely won't have a bird shit on you tomorrow. I'm sure most people six years ago didn't think Sony would be on the verge of bankruptcy today, but here we are.

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382. "so, most of OKP doesn't care about archiving games, eh?"
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I'm with you, I think one of the things that's made the 80s and 90s such a memorable time for gaming is that everything came on a cart, and as long as the batteries in those carts are running we can still boot most of those games up whenever we want, wherever we want. Sure, a lot of people emulate but if you really want to go have the authentic Act Raiser experience, it's out there for you. Goldeneye was still huge on my college campus and I didn't start school until fall of 2007 - that's ten years after the game came out! Let's see ANYONE playing the original Modern Warfare by 2016 - heck, right now.


How is someone going to be able to get nostalgic about Massive Action Game or Doritos Crash Course 2? Or, less jokingly, Gears of War 2, Halo 3, or the Mass Effect series?


I'd like to think this isn't a doomsday scenario and eventually gaming hardware will have reached a point where bring the original, non-emulated versions of these games over to digital marketplaces won't be a huge deal, but this generation was already pretty precarious when it came to making games that will last 30 years like a Galaga cabinet or a Super Mario Bros. cart. All this DRM makes next-gen look even shakier.


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383. "It's not about not caring about archiving..."
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It's that "archiving" doesn't necessarily have to consist of a physical format.

For instance, the PS4 isn't backwards compatible, but conceivably it'll support streaming PS3 games. Assuming your account persists across platforms, you *should* at least have access to PS3 games bought in this manner. Yeah, it means physical discs will go by the wayside, but the (cheaper) future is moving towards the cloud anyways.

  

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385. "RE: It's not about not caring about archiving..."
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But not every game can be rereleased digitally. There are still a ton of PS2 and PS1 games that aren't on PSN due to licensing issues, especially games whose developer and/or publisher no longer exist.

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386. "What do PSX and PS2 games have to do with anything?"
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Last I checked, those games don't need online authentication to play them.

  

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392. "RE: What do PSX and PS2 games have to do with anything?"
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Literally first sentence of my post

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394. "Stop switching your argument."
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PSX and PS2 games had nothing to do with your post #365. So why are they relevant here again?

  

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395. "RE: Stop switching your argument."
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>PSX and PS2 games had nothing to do with your post #365. So
>why are they relevant here again?

I'm not entertaining your bullshit. It's not my fault you're stupid, homie. Your beef is with the U.S. public school system, not me.

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396. "But you already did, lol"
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>I'm not entertaining your bullshit.

Do you even know what you typed yourself? Here you are complaining about PSX and PS2 games not being "archived" (of all things) yet your post in 365 states:

> preserve the culture of video games in the future

Great. You know those PSX and PS2 discs are physical right? Just don't leave them in the fucking sun, you moron.

> Xbox One will be obsolete

Great... has nothing to do with PSX or PS2 discs.

> Microsoft will eventually decide to shut down its servers and instead cater to whatever new console they've released

Great... has nothing to do with PSX or PS2 discs.

> So because of the internet authenticating system, these games won't even be playable offline anymore.

Great... has nothing to do with PSX or PS2 discs.

> There will be untold classics that will be released on this system that you won't be able to show your kids and grandkids

Great... has nothing to do with PSX or PS2 discs.



See a trend? Physical copies of games for consoles multiple generations old have absolutely NOTHING to do with this discussion.

Now, let's see if you use actual logic as a counterargument instead of making up some baseless, worthless insult.

  

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388. "are you fucking kidding me?"
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no one bought games in the 80s because they felt assured they'd work 20 years later.

shit, they usually didn't work SIX MONTHS later when the contacts wore out.



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391. "6 months? Hell I had some I couldn't get to work a week after xmas"
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lol

  

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397. "how about out the damn box not working!"
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398. "^^^that's that struggle"
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393. "RE: are you fucking kidding me?"
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>no one bought games in the 80s because they felt assured
>they'd work 20 years later.

No one considered games to be art back then. Video games were viewed as a distraction or diversion. Now you have old nerds who would pay handsomely for some of those old games on eBay.

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384. "You still mad at Ebert? Go fuck yourself."
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377. "i can think of a couple times when no live conn. prevented dlc on my 360"
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one time was for some rock band dlc. i took the 360 to my dad's new place to test his setup, and he didn't have the internet line in yet. i couldn't get any of my dlc songs for rb3 to work. it sucked because i wanted to play piano man and it just kept rejecting me back to the song choice screen with no explanation.

then it happened again on a stormy night that knocked out my internet. that's when i realized what was going on. it sucked, but it only really happened once or twice, and now i have my phone that can act as a hotspot in that situation, so it's not that bad.

  

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380. "What do you get in exchange for this "not that bad" policy?"
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You get a big fat #dealwithit.

  

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390. "^^^^^^^Not a baller"
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real ballers got that always on internet that never goes down.

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399. "if it was the 360 you downloaded it on"
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it would play offline (of course, rrod usually was the reason it wasn't the same box)

and most people don't know/understand the arcane process of transferring content licenses to a new bow

whatever the new system is, I hope its more clearly laid out and something people can actually deal w/

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405. "oh there's a way to get it to work?"
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that's what it was, the old dlc that i moved over to a slim due to rrod

i'll look into the transfer process, thanks

  

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400. "Microsoft Wont Talk TV at E3 (swipe)"
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Just as I suspected in post 279... you fools are all jumping the gun pre-E3.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/05/31/microsoft-wont-talk-tv-at-e3

Just says away from E3, it's safe to say there's one thing that isn't on Microsoft's mind: TV. Despite showing off the Xbox One's compatibility with cable and entertainment partnerships, Kotaku reports that the company will keep TV talk out of the picture on stage in L.A.

"I can confirm that we will have TV's (or similar) on stage to show the games," Microsoft's Director of Programming for Xbox Live Larry Hyrb tweeted this morning. "That should be the extend of TV talk in your #E3."

This statement comes just one day after Sony CEO Kaz Hirai said that the PS4 was "first and foremost" a game console.

"The most important thing we need to make sure we do, at least initially, is that we all agree and understand that the PS4 is a great video game console that appeals to video gamers," Hirai explained. "If we miss that part, then I don’t think we get the initial establishment of the console."

The statements from both camps certainly hint that both Microsoft and Sony are concerned about keeping fidelity with hardcore gamers (who are ever more turning to the PC) while expanding sales to a broader and more casual audience. With each taking subtle digs at the other's aims, it's likely that both E3 presentations will be structured to focus on exclusives and upcoming software rather than auxiliary features.

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401. "makes sense. they already got that out the way last week"
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now they can focus on games.

  

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402. "yeah, they said all along that the reveal was to show off the hardware"
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and a big part of the hardware was TV. not sure where that translated to a lack of focus on games. thats what E3 is all about, so this makes perfect sense.

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403. "5 years ago, Netflix didn't even do unlimited streaming yet"
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5 years from now, Microsoft's voice remote control for US-based HD cable boxes is supposed to be hitting its prime as a mainstream console. See the disconnect now? All the dogs and fish technology in the world isn't going to convince their target market that this thing has a place in anybody's living room in 2018.

  

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404. "you really don't know that the things you say"
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don't make sense.

the original xbox 360 didn't have netflix, wifi, or any voice / gesture control.

the consoles change too genius.

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406. "you're getting old. That was too tame a reply by you "
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407. "Xbox One online requirements detailed, needs to connect every 24 hours (..."
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http://www.theverge.com/2013/6/6/4403936/xbox-one-online-requirements-details

Microsoft is confirming today that its upcoming Xbox One console will need to connect to the internet every 24 hours for games to work. "Offline gaming is not possible after these prescribed times until you re-establish a connection," says a statement from the software maker. Live TV, Blu-ray, and DVD movies will work without a connection check every 24 hours. Microsoft explains that Xbox One accounts can be used on other consoles to access digital libraries, but that an hourly internet check will be required.

Developing...

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408. "Just provide a service gamers want."
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If it's a Steam-like distribution system then I'm all in. If the pricing is as stagnant as it is on XBL, then it's not worth it.

I didn't think always-on DRM was justifiable, but if it means a trustworthy and cheap digital distribution system then it makes sense.

  

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409. "Engadget: XboxOne: MS won't charge fee for used game, online check in e..."
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http://www.engadget.com/2013/06/06/xbox-one-used-games-always-online/#comments?a_dgi=aolshare_twitter

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410. "RE: Engadget: XboxOne: MS won't charge fee for used game, online check i..."
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LOL at praising the ability of your friends to play games on YOUR console. These niggas probably had a biometric controller that ties to your fingerprints but decided to back off at the last minute

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411. "Someone needs to go on a WallySmithesque warpath about this."
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First, this effectively kills used games.

Second, that always on requirement is BS.

Someone needs to nerd rage about this. I'm talking 500 replies of straight MAD. Where's angry Joe when you need him? Blackbuster is awfully quiet. The GAFers are raging to an extent.

Seriously, what happens if you have a big family and friends? 10 people is too small of a limit.

They have to compensate for this somehow. XBL better have free something.

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415. "If they do, then they'd have to be right."
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412. "ball's in your court Sony"
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Nintendo and MS have basically handed them an easy win. how will they screw it up.

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413. "they're about to announce the same thing in a few days lol"
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bet on that. stuff like this isn;t a one company thing generally. This kind of stuff is usually an industry move.

  

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414. "RE: they're about to announce the same thing in a few days lol"
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>bet on that. stuff like this isn;t a one company thing
>generally. This kind of stuff is usually an industry move.

What's funny is that many people think Sony has a lock on next-gen if they don't go through with all this draconian shit, but I think the opposite would happen. I see developers flocking to Xbox One since that would be the only console that would protect their copyrighted IPs. There would be less people playing games on XB1 as opposed to PS4, but they'd be getting more money from XB1 games, and at the end of the day, that's what they care about. It IS a business.

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419. "No way."
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There is absolutely no way that it will be more profitable to not port an already developed game.

Let's assume a game costs $30M to develop. It probably costs less than $5M to port it. If the publisher gets $20 a pop, how many sales does it take to cover $30M? 1.5M. Now, how many sales does it take to cover $35M? 1.75M? So, in order for the port to be profitable it has to sell at least 250K copies, which is 1/6 of what an exclusive would need to sell in order to break even.

Basically, if you have an already finished product and the costs to port it are so small, sales of the ported version would have to be ridiculously low for the port to not be profitable. I don't think there's any way getting a cut of used sales would overcome all of that.

  

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420. "you're pretty good at throwing out arbitrary numbers"
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your point may be valid to an extent, but throwing out arbitrary numbers doesn't really help. also, if you went by your numbers developers would be broke. they aren't trying to break even, they are trying to make a profit. most games aren't selling 1.5 or 1.75 million copies, only the blockbusters.

>There is absolutely no way that it will be more profitable to
>not port an already developed game.
>
>Let's assume a game costs $30M to develop. It probably costs
>less than $5M to port it. If the publisher gets $20 a pop,
>how many sales does it take to cover $30M? 1.5M. Now, how
>many sales does it take to cover $35M? 1.75M? So, in order
>for the port to be profitable it has to sell at least 250K
>copies, which is 1/6 of what an exclusive would need to sell
>in order to break even.
>
>Basically, if you have an already finished product and the
>costs to port it are so small, sales of the ported version
>would have to be ridiculously low for the port to not be
>profitable. I don't think there's any way getting a cut of
>used sales would overcome all of that.

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431. "seriously, how old are you?"
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you're so dumb I want to say twelve, but so ridiculously confident I'm thinking 20 - 22

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435. "Real talk, he's 26."
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I know right?

  

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422. "Basically."
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I'm real interested to see the reactions from the OVERreactors in this post.

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417. "You don't think Sony got the same thing planned?"
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Obviously MS and the game publishers worked together on this plan. Don't you think the game publishers would be working with Sony concurrently on this plan? The publishers have been pissed for years about losing revenue on "used" games. I wouldn't be surprised if they weren't the ones to approach the hardware manufacturers first with a directive to fix the situation.

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416. "I guess I'm the only person who doesn't care"
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I've never bought a used game in my life. I either buy a game full price when it drops, or wait until it's on sale somewhere. So I don't care about the used game situation. I have internet and it's pretty stable. So the "always on" aspect doesn't bother me either.

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418. "Here's the details straight from XBOX website."
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http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/main

Two weeks ago we introduced Xbox One, the all-in-one games and entertainment device. Designed for today and the decade ahead, Xbox One puts you at the center of all of your games, TV, movies, music, sports and more. We also shared how Xbox One is built to amplify a new generation of Xbox Live that’s more powerful, personal and intelligent.

And today, we would like to share more information about our vision for Xbox One as a modern, connected device; our games licensing policies; and our privacy principles for the new Kinect sensor.

****Xbox One: A Modern, Connected Device:

Xbox One will deliver new benefits for gamers that are only possible with a system designed from the ground up to be ready and connected. Here are just a few examples:

A new generation of games with power from the cloud: Because every Xbox One owner has a broadband connection, developers can create massive, persistent worlds that evolve even when you’re not playing.

Your Xbox One is always ready: Xbox One is designed to run in a low-powered, connected state. This means your system, games and apps are always current and ready to play—no more waiting for updates.

Stay connected to your friends: Never miss an opportunity to play games with your friends or to catch up with family on Skype. Use Skype in Snap mode to chat while you play games or watch TV. Or enjoy group video Skype calls with people around the world, all from the comfort of your living room.

Access your entire games library from any Xbox One—no discs required: After signing in and installing, you can play any of your games from any Xbox One because a digital copy of your game is stored on your console and in the cloud. So, for example, while you are logged in at your friend’s house, you can play your games.

Buy the way you want—disc or digital—on the same day: You’ll be able to buy disc-based games at traditional retailers or online through Xbox Live, on day of release.


Networking Technologies


A range of advanced technologies will make these scenarios possible, including:

Superior wireless performance and coverage throughout the home: Xbox One is equipped with a gigabit Ethernet port and 802.11n wireless. With 802.11n, Xbox One can use the 5GHz wireless band which eliminates considerable interference from other devices in the home, such as cordless phones, Bluetooth devices and microwaves. Xbox One uses two wireless antennas, versus one in Xbox 360. This provides dramatically better coverage and sustained performance, which means faster internet speeds in more areas of your home.

Faster connection to a world of smart devices: With Wi-Fi Direct, Xbox One can speak directly to smart wireless devices and connect to them through the cloud. This means your smartphone or tablet will interact with Xbox One seamlessly.

Future proofed with power from the cloud: Microsoft has created a global network of more than 300,000 Xbox Live and Windows Azure servers, to help creators realize their visions of what is possible with a connected system.


Networking Requirements


To ensure Xbox One works optimally and can offer the experiences described above, it is designed with the following networking requirements:

For an optimal experience, we recommend a broadband connection of 1.5Mbps. (For reference, the average global internet connection speed as measured recently by Akamai was 2.9 Mbps). In areas where an Ethernet connection is not available, you can connect using mobile broadband.

While a persistent connection is not required, Xbox One is designed to verify if system, application or game updates are needed and to see if you have acquired new games, or resold, traded in, or given your game to a friend. Games that are designed to take advantage of the cloud may require a connection.

With Xbox One you can game offline for up to 24 hours on your primary console, or one hour if you are logged on to a separate console accessing your library. Offline gaming is not possible after these prescribed times until you re-establish a connection, but you can still watch live TV and enjoy Blu-ray and DVD movies.

At Xbox, we’ve always believed in a connected world of games and entertainment. With Xbox One, we are planning for a connected future. We can’t wait to show you what’s to come.



****How Games Licensing Will Work on Xbox One:

With our modern architecture, Xbox One games will load more quickly, will be always accessible from the cloud, and there is no physical limit to the size or scope of the content provided.

Here are our platform policies and capabilities for game licensing – all of which will be made available when Xbox One launches later this year:

Buy the way you want—disc or digital—on the same day: You’ll be able to buy disc-based games at traditional retailers or online through Xbox Live, on day of release. Discs will continue to be a great way to install your games quickly.

Access your entire games library from any Xbox One—no discs required: After signing in and installing, you can play any of your games from any Xbox One because a digital copy of your game is stored on your console and in the cloud. So, for example, while you are logged in at your friend’s house, you can play your games.

Share access to your games with everyone inside your home: Your friends and family, your guests and acquaintances get unlimited access to all of your games. Anyone can play your games on your console--regardless of whether you are logged in or their relationship to you.

Give your family access to your entire games library anytime, anywhere: Xbox One will enable new forms of access for families. Up to ten members of your family can log in and play from your shared games library on any Xbox One. Just like today, a family member can play your copy of Forza Motorsport at a friend’s house. Only now, they will see not just Forza, but all of your shared games. You can always play your games, and any one of your family members can be playing from your shared library at a given time.

Trade-in and resell your disc-based games: Today, some gamers choose to sell their old disc-based games back for cash and credit. We designed Xbox One so game publishers can enable you to trade in your games at participating retailers. Microsoft does not charge a platform fee to retailers, publishers, or consumers for enabling transfer of these games.

Give your games to friends: Xbox One is designed so game publishers can enable you to give your disc-based games to your friends. There are no fees charged as part of these transfers. There are two requirements: you can only give them to people who have been on your friends list for at least 30 days and each game can only be given once.

In our role as a game publisher, Microsoft Studios will enable you to give your games to friends or trade in your Xbox One games at participating retailers. Third party publishers may opt in or out of supporting game resale and may set up business terms or transfer fees with retailers. Microsoft does not receive any compensation as part of this. In addition, third party publishers can enable you to give games to friends. Loaning or renting games won’t be available at launch, but we are exploring the possibilities with our partners.

As we move into this new generation of games and entertainment, from time to time, Microsoft may change its policies, terms, products and services to reflect modifications and improvements to our services, feedback from customers and our business partners or changes in our business priorities and business models or for other reasons. We may also cease to offer certain services or products for similar reasons.

In the months ahead, we will continue to listen to your feedback as we meet with our partners in the ecosystem to bring additional detail about our policies.

We are excited about this new generation of games and entertainment and look forward to sharing more news with our fans.


****Privacy by Design: How Xbox One and the new Kinect Sensor Put You in Control:

Xbox One and Kinect offer easy and approachable ways to control your games and entertainment with your voice and gestures. By recognizing you, Xbox One can tailor personal experiences and customize content just for you.

At Microsoft, we prioritize your privacy. We understand that your personal data and privacy are important. Xbox One and Kinect will provide tools to put you in control of your data. These include:

You are in control of what Kinect can see and hear: By design, you will determine how responsive and personalized your Xbox One is to you and your family during setup. The system will navigate you through key privacy options, like automatic or manual sign in, privacy settings, and clear notifications about how data is used. When Xbox One is on and you’re simply having a conversation in your living room, your conversation is not being recorded or uploaded.

You are in control of when Kinect sensing is On, Off or Paused: If you don’t want the Kinect sensor on while playing games or enjoying your entertainment, you can pause Kinect. To turn off your Xbox One, just say “Xbox Off.” When the system is off, it’s only listening for the single voice command -- “Xbox On,” and you can even turn that feature off too. Some apps and games may require Kinect functionality to operate, so you’ll need to turn it back on for these experiences.

You are in control of your personal data: You can play games or enjoy applications that use data, such as videos, photos, facial expressions, heart rate and more, but this data will not leave your Xbox One without your explicit permission. Here are a few examples of potential future scenarios:

A fitness game could measure heart rate data to provide you with improved feedback on your workout, allow you to track your progress, or even measure calories burned.

A card game could allow you to bluff your virtual opponent using your facial expressions.

You can use other inputs to control your games, TV and entertainment experiences: While it’s faster to find what you’re looking for using your voice and gesture commands with Kinect, you can use a controller, your remote controls or your smart devices instead. And you can use all of these devices when Kinect is paused.
We’ll have more information available as we get closer to product availability later this year.

Xbox One will be available later this year and we’ll continue to share more information in the months ahead.

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421. "I found the Angry Joe nerd rage... (Link)"
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http://youtu.be/ryB-hdtpQRw

This is so beautiful. *tears up from laughing*

No empathy for white misery (c) BDot

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423. "I am glad tho that my household will be able to share games"
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That's the one thing I was concerned about since we're on the family xbox live plan. My kids are constantly taking my games to their rooms. Hell I forgot I even had Crysis 3 and Forza Horizon till I was in my son's room the other day like wtf. But even still when big blockbuster multiplayer games like Halo or Gears of War come out I always end up getting 2-3 copies as it is because my kids like to play online with me.

  

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424. "still need details on how playing games w/in a household works"
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426. "From post 418:"
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Share access to your games with everyone inside your home: Your friends and family, your guests and acquaintances get unlimited access to all of your games. Anyone can play your games on your console--regardless of whether you are logged in or their relationship to you.

Give your family access to your entire games library anytime, anywhere: Xbox One will enable new forms of access for families. Up to ten members of your family can log in and play from your shared games library on any Xbox One. Just like today, a family member can play your copy of Forza Motorsport at a friend’s house. Only now, they will see not just Forza, but all of your shared games. You can always play your games, and any one of your family members can be playing from your shared library at a given time.

  

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429. "no I'm aware of that."
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but what does that actually mean. can you play co op on two different consoles on the same family account?

o you have to buy the game twice? how does the code auth twice on one account?

etc.


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432. "that's what I'm saying. A conference+release and I'm still confused."
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About everything. I'm not even thinking about buying the console because I've been so pleased with Sony with each of their systems so far, but I have NO IDEA what Microsoft is talking about other than broad stroke fantasies at this point.


I thought the Giantbomb guys did an EXCELLENT job breaking down how totally vague all of that stuff in the press release is; Vinny, for example, figures he could go buy Halo 5 at Gamestop, install it on his hard drive, take it immediately to another Gamestop and trade it for credit, then just beat the game in under 24 hours for half price or whatever the case may be.

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434. "I doubt it's all lined up yet"
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I'd rather have the details, but I'll only pass to the "they're fucking up" (more than just pissing off internet people who live to be pissed off, it's what the internet is for) if you can actually preorder/buy one and this stuff hasn't been defined.

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436. "Ohhh word, I hear you."
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438. "That's true. Hopefully it's what I'm hoping for"
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that everyone on a family account can access each other's games. Especially when it pertains to these damn single player games.

  

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425. "so now that we have details"
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Now that the details are out there, what do I think of Xbox One DRM? 24 hour check in w/ no offline option is far too agressive

Lack of person-to-person used game market doesn't really matter to me (don't buy games to sell), ditto for rentals

But it does mean that games are effectively more expensive, on top of the XBL charge, depending on how the household plan works

It won't affect my decision to buy the system (I'm copping, PS4 too, of course) but it could significantly affect them w/ others

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427. "I think the biggest unknown is keeping the retailer in the loop."
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If Gamestop continues their business model as-is, then the "used" digital distribution model with 24hr DRM doesn't seem like it will bring a lot of benefit to the consumer.

But, depending on how independent publishing works on XBL, hopefully it could mean an even bigger presence for indies on the platform. Since they would never distribute through retailers, ideally MS would let developers have a bigger say on pricing.

  

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430. "I think there are some real opportunities"
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there would need to be dels cut, but digital game rentals could still be possible

microsoft does temporary price drop sales on xbl no, w/ this systm, it will obvs happen more often. steam doesn't do slaes because they love gamers, they do it because it's a great way to pull people into your ecosystem.

we'll have to see what they do.

that said -- if there was any chance I'd say, buy an xbox one at launch for my nieces etc., it's removed. I'll need to see how all this shakes out.

am I copping? fa shoooo


also, I know everyone is hating life or whatever, but this is dope for me.

it's far mroe often that I'm stuck somewhere (at a hotel, at my parents, etc.) where there either is or could be an xbox AND a reliable internet connection, but I don't have my games / wouldn't pack games, than I'm in a situation where I have my xbox, my games, but no internet. so...for my particular lifestyle, it's an improvement.

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437. "RE: I think there are some real opportunities"
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Right, this would all be worth it as long as they provided a worthwhile service.

Everyone was up in arms about Steam when it first came out but once people saw the benefits from the service everyone loves it.

> steam doesn't do slaes because they love gamers, they do it because it's a great way to pull people into your ecosystem.

Why does it have to be mutually exclusive? The whole idea of the system is to for the devs to get more of their games out to the gamers. Price is the most efficient way to benefit all sides, and digital distribution allows devs to price games insanely low while still making tons of cash.

Steam works because it benefits the distributor, the developer AND the consumer.

  

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439. "if I can add access to an xbox at my parents' house..."
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that would be so dope. I could let the kids stay over and they could access all the games from our home library. I really can't wait to hear the details if this is going to work the way I hope.

  

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440. "m'saying"
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I'm sorry

OH SHIT YOU MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO PLAY THE GAMES IN TEN YEARS IF MICRO$HAFT TAKES THE SERVERS DOWN

is kinda less impressive, to me, than "yeah, you can just play the game at your mom's house when you're over there, and whether or not you ACTUALLY REMEMBERED TO PUT THE DISC IN YOUR FUCKING BAG BEFORE YOU LEFT YOU FUCKING MORON isn't so much of an issue"

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441. "RE: m'saying"
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>I'm sorry
>
>OH SHIT YOU MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO PLAY THE GAMES IN TEN YEARS
>IF MICRO$HAFT TAKES THE SERVERS DOWN
>
>is kinda less impressive, to me, than "yeah, you can just play
>the game at your mom's house when you're over there, and
>whether or not you ACTUALLY REMEMBERED TO PUT THE DISC IN YOUR
>FUCKING BAG BEFORE YOU LEFT YOU FUCKING MORON isn't so much of
>an issue"

You forgetting shit, grandpa?

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445. "You can already do that on your 360 if you buy the game digitally"
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IMO having that as an optional feature (i.e. a perk for buying digital) is better than implementing an intrusive DRM scheme in order to make it a mandatory feature.

  

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446. "dude"
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congrats on echoing what you've heard, but think for yourself.

the 360 infrastructure is not at all well set up to work that way, being able to have the disc and download if you choose is much better for me.

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442. "RE: if I can add access to an xbox at my parents' house..."
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Why the fuck would your parents buy an Xbox One?

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443. "good lawd. They wouldn't man"
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447. "I'm not an only child, genius"
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they still have kids there, also my mom would kill you at CoD

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461. "LOLZ. Ya downloading 8 gig games to play over hotel wifi"
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randomly on some, 'Oh, I forgot my copy of Skyrim', and life is that easy waiting the HOURS it takes to download it.

As opposed to lets say not being able to play at all even if you bring ya copy, because the wi-fi is not up to snuff.

What 'murica you live in regular gigabit internet? Kansas City?

Suuuure.

  

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462. "waiting an hour or two for a game to download ! not having it at all"
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hmmmmmmm

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428. "Interesting read on indie dev's opinions on next gen consoles "
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http://www.polygon.com/2013/6/7/4387478/indie-developers-sound-off-next-gen-consoles-and-the-importance-of

  

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433. "God damn, Polygon went in on Xbox One (swipe)"
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http://www.polygon.com/2013/6/7/4406170/xbox-one-internet-trade-policy

  

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444. "I love it. We will find out more at E3"
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a price and a CLEAR picture of M$ vision of how to hollow out our wallets.

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448. "smh, good point about this affecting poor people"
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i'm looking for a little kid to give my 20+ PS3 games to (PS3 died)
i didn't even realize that only this arrangement I wouldn't be able to do that, smh

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449. "yeah, I'm selling my PS3 and games to a buddy this fall"
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ASSUMING I hear something about PS4 eventually being able to install and play PS3 games. But he really wants to play the Uncharteds, Bioshock Infinite, etc. and I don't really see the problem with selling him my PS3 to get a little extra cash for a PS4, but it sounds like we're either real close to a TV-console future or consoles are about to become giant bricks at the end of their lives.



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450. "lmao wtf?"
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451. "#1reasonwhy ?"
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452. "that's not confusing at all"
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I know it's the current meme, but you don't have to act like you're an idiot.

you have TV.

it has inputs.

they're typically numbered.

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453. "I'm actually hyped up for this machine"
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my number one gripe right now in my living room is that I got all this crap and remotes everywhere and flicking from this to this to this. It would be nice to have one device at the centerpiece. One thing I want to know about the system tho that I don't remember seeing is what usb devices and what kind of files can it read. If it can read all video and music files, I'd be happy as hell.

  

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454. "$499? Nah."
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455. "I'm budgeting $1500 for this fall for Xbox One and PS4"
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already planning it out lol

  

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456. "Ghosts MP better be REALLY good..."
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...otherwise I might have to stick around one more year on the 360 .....i'll prob just cave and get one on launch though lol

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457. "I know it's paranoid shit, but it's privacy issues that resonate w/ me"
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http://t.co/4j7zpDBw6p

Microsoft potentially selling me a TV that watches me? just a little too 1984ish for me to completely ignore it.

and look, I'm far from a privacy crusader -- I understand living in the digital era pretty much means your privacy dies in the womb, but it just seems like features like "always on microphone," "webcam required," and "persistent internet needed" are features that just don't NEED to be mandatory. I guess I can just tape the webcam over if I have a hard time sleeping at night? the microphone shit is going to bother me no matter what, voice activated power just isn't worth piercing that little privacy bubble for me...

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458. "Announced on the same day that PRISM broke, haha..."
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and hours before Obama was gonna meet with China brass to discuss cybersecurity.

I'm far from being a privacy crusader either, but that shit was uncanny.



And this isn't directed to the X1, just speaking in general... shit is kinda creepy.

  

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459. "Seriously, I def don't like that at all"
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Rjcc
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Wed Jun-12-13 02:42 AM

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460. "so you'll buy the console that just has the camera as an add-on"
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the wii u comes with a mandatory mic and camera, except it's in the gamepad. and pointed at your face

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BrooklynWHAT
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463. "RE: so you'll buy the console that just has the camera as OPTIONAL"
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instead of mandatory.

lmao cmon rj.

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