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"new MBP least repairable laptop ©ifixit"


  

          

anyone surprised Apple would do this?

http://ifixit.org/2753/macbook-pro-with-retina-display-teardown/

The new MacBook Pro with Retina Display is stunning. 0.71″ thick, super-fast processor, and 95 watt hours of battery life. It crams 5.1 million pixels—that’s one pixel for every resident of Singapore—into a 15.4″ screen.

But even though it packs lots of gee-whiz bells and whistles, we were thoroughly disappointed when we ventured inside. This is, to date, the least repairable laptop we’ve taken apart. Apple has packed all the things we hate into one beautiful little package.

Teardown here.

Teardown highlights (if you can call them that):

Just like in the iPhone 4/4S (and the MacBook Air), proprietary Pentalobe screws prevent folks from accessing the machine’s internals. That means you need a special screwdriver just to remove the bottom cover.
As in the MacBook Air, the RAM is soldered to the logic board. Max out at 16GB now, or forever hold your peace—you can’t upgrade.
The proprietary SSD isn’t upgradeable either (yet), as it is similar but not identical to the one in the Air. It is a separate daughtercard, and we’re hopeful we can offer an upgrade in the near future.
The lithium-polymer battery is glued rather than screwed into the case, which increases the chances that it’ll break during disassembly. The battery also covers the trackpad cable, which tremendously increases the chance that a user will shear the cable in the battery removal process.
The display assembly is completely fused, and there’s no glass protecting it. If anything ever fails inside the display, you will need to replace the entire (extremely expensive) assembly.

Repair Score: 1 / 10

Laptops are expensive. It’s critical that consumers have the option to repair things that go wrong, as well as upgrade their own hardware to keep it relevant as new technologies roll out. On top of being glued together, the new MacBook Pro is virtually non-upgradeable—making it the first MacBook Pro that will be unable to adapt to future advances in memory and storage technology.

Despite its dismal repair score, there’s much to be excited about here beyond the Retina display: new ports, an asymmetrical fan, and a Samsung flash memory SSD. Oh, and the screws are replaceable.

Major chips we found on the logic board:

NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M GPU
Intel Core-i7 3720QM 2.6 GHz processor
What appears to be an Intel E208B284 Platform Controller Hub
Hynix H5TC2GB3CFR DDR3L SDRAM
Intel DSL3510L Thunderbolt controller

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If you dont have the money to buy a new macbook ($2,100)
Jun 13th 2012
1
if you don't have $2,100 you shouldn't buy computers?
Jun 13th 2012
2
^^^^poor
Jun 14th 2012
11
I honestly can't figure out whether this is meant to be ironic.
Jun 13th 2012
5
aww cmon on guys, I wasnt serious at all
Jun 14th 2012
13
      It sounds like something one of these zombies would really say. lol
Jun 14th 2012
15
           really?
Jun 15th 2012
21
beside that being completely ridiculous
Jun 14th 2012
6
      don't even look at a Macbook you'll bring down its property value
Jun 14th 2012
12
soldered RAM fucking sucks
Jun 13th 2012
3
not only does it suck its fucking stupid
Jun 13th 2012
4
Yep. That pretty much made the decision for me on my upgrade
Jun 14th 2012
17
the next models will have upgradable ram & SSD's...
Jun 14th 2012
7
yes you can you just wont
Jun 14th 2012
8
      nah, the job pays for it so I'm good
Jun 14th 2012
9
so glad i decided on copping a used 2011 MBP
Jun 14th 2012
10
I am glad I got mine before this new bullshit
Jun 14th 2012
14
I'm glad I've never given those assfucks a dime.
Jun 14th 2012
16
cats in here prolly wearing Nikes talking about Apple's overpriced.
Jun 14th 2012
18
another one
Jun 15th 2012
19
I love how people are trying to justify the screen.
Jun 15th 2012
20
lol. yep.
Jun 15th 2012
26
it's not just retina, it's also an IPS with reduced glare...
Jun 15th 2012
28
yeah..i had planned to upgrade my 2010
Jun 15th 2012
34
i'm not a pro user. i tend to hook my laptop up to my tv too.
Jun 15th 2012
29
Yeah, screens aren't improtant on a laptop
Jun 15th 2012
33
      if you're a pro.
Jun 15th 2012
40
           so you're arguing screens aren't important too?
Jun 15th 2012
41
           Dude just stop
Jun 15th 2012
44
           your screen must suck because you didn't read anything i typed.
Jun 19th 2012
68
                external screen doesn't mean your built-in can suck.
Jun 19th 2012
69
                     that's exactly what i said.
Jun 19th 2012
71
           No.
Jun 20th 2012
78
                Apparently he meant the exact opposite of what he wrote
Jun 20th 2012
79
                Yeah that whole argument hasn't been valid for years.
Jun 24th 2012
85
This is probably for the best
Jun 15th 2012
22
^^^ RDF ^^^
Jun 15th 2012
24
seriously tho
Jun 15th 2012
25
      um because Apple charges an arm and leg for RAM
Jun 15th 2012
27
           the flipside is that...
Jun 15th 2012
30
                how is that a good thing?
Jun 15th 2012
36
                     uh no the hard drive is removable.
Jun 15th 2012
39
I'd want to fix it but as an early adopter of a new new
Jun 20th 2012
73
this proves Macs are for lovers of design aesthetics
Jun 15th 2012
23
???? LOL
Jun 15th 2012
31
damn lil homie you blacked out.
Jun 15th 2012
32
i guess that is cool for the casual user...
Jun 15th 2012
35
yea i noticed alot of MBP owners are actually casual users with money
Jun 15th 2012
37
u missed the point but yeah...do you.
Jun 15th 2012
42
i'm a casual user and i upgraded the ram and hard drive on my macbooks
Jun 15th 2012
43
that's a lot of plea copping for a company with $600B market cap
Jun 15th 2012
38
Really, the mountains of Arizona?
Jun 15th 2012
48
You missed the point of the story
Jun 15th 2012
50
      You framed the story in the most absurd way possible
Jun 16th 2012
58
           1)IT was TRUE
Jun 16th 2012
60
Here's my problem with this example
Jun 17th 2012
62
      RE: Here's my problem with this example
Jun 17th 2012
65
           RE: Here's my problem with this example
Jun 18th 2012
66
                RE: Here's my problem with this example
Jun 19th 2012
67
                     RE: Here's my problem with this example
Jun 19th 2012
70
this is like asking a car enthusiast why they want a Lambo
Jun 15th 2012
45
      so Apple's are Lambo's now?
Jun 16th 2012
51
           No, its more expensive than a everyday sedan but gets the same job done
Jun 16th 2012
56
                The job a Lambo gets done isn't "getting from A to B."
Jun 16th 2012
59
                     while getting you from A to B
Jun 17th 2012
61
                          LOL...This reply is golden
Jun 17th 2012
63
                               The RDF is strong in that one.
Jun 17th 2012
64
btw if you use any non-Apple applications you should wait before upgradi...
Jun 15th 2012
46
i wonder how long that's going to take to get sorted
Jun 15th 2012
47
This is the first reasonable issue with the machine.
Jun 16th 2012
52
I don't see why anyone other than "early adopters"
Jun 15th 2012
49
can you back up that "probably full of bugs" statement?
Jun 16th 2012
53
      All Apple "A" cycle models are buggy to some degree.
Jun 22nd 2012
82
i get it's pricey, but y'all are clearly up on tech
Jun 16th 2012
54
Do they have demo units in the Apple store yet?
Jun 20th 2012
74
      Yeah, and it does look breakable.
Jun 20th 2012
76
           Any good cases for them then?
Jun 22nd 2012
83
                not yet i'd imagine
Jun 22nd 2012
84
side note: i audit sales at a college bookstore that sells macs
Jun 16th 2012
55
It makes sense though...
Jun 16th 2012
57
How many of you have replaced/repaired an LCD?
Jun 20th 2012
72
I have
Jun 20th 2012
75
      repair costs are going to be hilarious.
Jun 20th 2012
77
while it's dope....I thought about it....new Air will be good for now
Jun 21st 2012
80
Deeper look at disposable electronics from the iFixit guy (swipe)
Jun 22nd 2012
81
This makes a lot more sense now
Jul 07th 2012
86

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1. "If you dont have the money to buy a new macbook ($2,100) "
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after the one your using breaks (which is close to impossible)

then you shouldn't be buying any computers at all

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2. "if you don't have $2,100 you shouldn't buy computers?"
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good stuff, keep it coming.

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11. "^^^^poor"
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5. "I honestly can't figure out whether this is meant to be ironic."
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13. "aww cmon on guys, I wasnt serious at all"
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15. "It sounds like something one of these zombies would really say. lol"
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6. "beside that being completely ridiculous"
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what does it have to do with the article?

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12. "don't even look at a Macbook you'll bring down its property value"
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*sips 12 year old scotch*

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3. "soldered RAM fucking sucks"
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that's an extra $200 off the top.

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4. "not only does it suck its fucking stupid"
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17. "Yep. That pretty much made the decision for me on my upgrade"
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Definitely going the non-retina route to replace my mid 2010 MacBook pro. Now I just have to decide if imma get the 2012 or what until there are some 2011 i7 in the refurb store.

I'm maxed out at 8gigs now but the possibility of doubling that is right up my alley lol

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7. "the next models will have upgradable ram & SSD's..."
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...too bad i can't wait for that!

  

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8. "yes you can you just wont"
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9. "nah, the job pays for it so I'm good"
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10. "so glad i decided on copping a used 2011 MBP"
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14. "I am glad I got mine before this new bullshit"
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16. "I'm glad I've never given those assfucks a dime."
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18. "cats in here prolly wearing Nikes talking about Apple's overpriced."
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lol

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19. "another one"
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*smh*

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20. "I love how people are trying to justify the screen."
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If you're an actual pro using a laptop then there's a 90% chance you have it hooked up to a larger, high quality monitor. Functionality-wise a retina display is of limited use. It's a marketing feature.

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26. "lol. yep. "
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28. "it's not just retina, it's also an IPS with reduced glare..."
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If you work in the field a lot it's possibly worth it.

I'm personally on the fence. I did upgrade my current Macbook's RAM and plan to upgrade the HD.

On the other hand, 16GB RAM / 512GB SSD HD is damn near future proof. Especially with USB3/ Thunderbolt externals.

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34. "yeah..i had planned to upgrade my 2010 "
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but now i am 99% sure i am going to sell it...

get a refurbed late 2011 (from what i have read they can read up to 16GB RAM)

maybe put an SSD HD in it

and wait until the next update and then jump in

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29. "i'm not a pro user. i tend to hook my laptop up to my tv too."
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i want that shit, though.

it's a bell or a whistle, but i like bells and whistles.

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33. "Yeah, screens aren't improtant on a laptop"
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I read your post because I have software that prints out each reply on my thermal printer.

I reply by sending a fax to a shop in India, which then transcribes it and uses a CGI script written in 1995 post my reply.

Fuck technology!

  

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40. "if you're a pro."
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if you do video, 3D, photo or graphics on this, more than likely it's plugged into a larger display.

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41. "so you're arguing screens aren't important too?"
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I'm a coder (a.k.a. i can melt a Pro) and I almost never use an external.
I love working on the road, on the couch, in cafes, etc. And everytime I'm in a cafe all I see is other MBPs out.

Guess what everyone's looking at.

Even when I AM hooked up to an external, I'm ALWAYS using the MBP as a secondary screen.

Like 100% of the time.

Y'all need another line of attack smh.

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44. "Dude just stop"
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Its an overpriced status machine.
I have no argument against having people buy the 13 inch pro (hell even the air) or the regular macbook but that $2100 model is a fucking disaster.

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68. "your screen must suck because you didn't read anything i typed."
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69. "external screen doesn't mean your built-in can suck."
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71. "that's exactly what i said."
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78. "No."
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I am a pro.

When I work in the field, I'm limited to a laptop screen.

Unless I'm feeling fancy and strap a 27 inch monitor to my back to carry around with me.

  

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79. "Apparently he meant the exact opposite of what he wrote"
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But yes, obviously the argument that laptop screens DON'T matter to pros is retarded, literally.

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85. "Yeah that whole argument hasn't been valid for years."
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90% of the time I work directly off my MBP's screen, which has been calibrated and is more than good enough for print work. I barely ever feel the need to have an external screen hooked up unless I'm working on something huge.

  

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22. "This is probably for the best"
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Do you really want to fix this on your own especially after the initial investment?

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24. "^^^ RDF ^^^ "
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25. "seriously tho"
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if you purchase this you probably purchased apple care,
why go and void the warranty prematurely or at all?

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27. "um because Apple charges an arm and leg for RAM"
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and crucial doesn't for starters ...

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it’s doing something arduous and
creating something of value and then
being able to reflect on the fruits of your labor

  

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30. "the flipside is that..."
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if your ram goes bad under warranty you get a new computer.

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36. "how is that a good thing?"
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they'll give u the same shit and now you have to reinstall all your programs. Then activate & re-update them.


Sounds like fun.

  

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39. "uh no the hard drive is removable."
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73. "I'd want to fix it but as an early adopter of a new new"
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Apple tech you get AppleCare. Every time.

2-3 iteration you can skip it.

Like you can find a second hand replacement lcd for this this thing right now...

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23. "this proves Macs are for lovers of design aesthetics"
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and not lovers of technology
lol

but really tho
glued in battery with a $200 replacement fee and you probably have to ship the unit to apple
or best case drop it off at the genius bar and wait a couple of hours (whenever they give you an appointment)
http://www.apple.com/support/macbookpro/service/battery/
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1519
smh

also i was reading that these components aren't recyclable
which has an environmental impact
fuck apple

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31. "???? LOL"
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>and not lovers of technology
>lol

You mean "Not lovers of user serviceable technology."

People buy Macs for what they are - not for what they can service or replace.

Think of an Apple as a modern, electric car. We don't need to replace the motor in it. We don't replace our own tires. We go to the shop for repairs. And the apple Repair shops has quick turn around. And no charge for the first year. And a reasonable 3 year warranty available.

Now, if you LIKE to service your machine go buy something else.

Me, I like to use my computer.

(I drive a Honda that isn't chipped, isn't lowered, doesn't have a booming system, and suits me just fine too.)

>but really tho
>glued in battery with a $200 replacement fee and you probably
>have to ship the unit to apple
>or best case drop it off at the genius bar and wait a couple
>of hours (whenever they give you an appointment)
>http://www.apple.com/support/macbookpro/service/battery/
>http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1519
>smh

So you can't replace the battery yourself. You can go to the Apple Store and have them replace it while watching a movie at the multi-plex.

BUT HOW OFTEN DOES THAT HAPPEN IN REAL LIFE?? Once in the lifetime of the laptop?

Here's my REAL LIFE experience in the last year:

1)I bought a Toshiba PC laptop for Christmas for my nephews (once removed) in Arizona. Bought at a Bestbuy in Phoenix. They live in the mountains in Arizona. The hard drive dies. No BestBuys within 100 miles of where they are. When they get to a BestBuy they're told to leave the machine. A week later Bestbuy says it's the hard drive and the entire machine has to be sent to Toshiba. 3 weeks later Toshiba sends the machine back to Best Buy (with no operating system on it.)

So they had 4 weeks of BestBuy turn around to replace faulty Hard Drive.

Apple would have replaced it the same day, in the Apple Store.

I'd say advantage Apple.

>
>also i was reading that these components aren't recyclable
>which has an environmental impact
>fuck apple

Really? http://www.apple.com/recycling/ http://www.apple.com/environment/reports/docs/MacBookPro_Retina_Product_Environmental_Report_June2012.pdf

Or do you read this guys post: http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2012/06/opinion-apple-retina-displa/ And take his word, that his friends say you can't recycle it??

When the machine is dead, send it to Apple and they will recycle it.

Or do you think they just load up a truck, drive it to Mexico , and dump tons in a pile and then set them on fire right next door to a nursery school??

You do lots of LOL and FUCKING in your posts for some reason.

  

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32. "damn lil homie you blacked out."
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lol

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35. "i guess that is cool for the casual user..."
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but every macbook pro i have purchased the first thing i did when i got it home was upgrade the RAM and hard drive. so yeah, this is kind of a big deal. yeah everybody isn't going to do it but at least don't be a dick (not you...apple) and still give people the option.

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37. "yea i noticed alot of MBP owners are actually casual users with money"
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They might do lightweight power use on occasion but not consistently.
They can get by with 120GB SSDs (or 5400 rpm HDs) and 4 GB of ram...wtf?!?

Bloggers, writers, soccer moms get Airs.

so to be fair...Apple is just appealing to their market.

  

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42. "u missed the point but yeah...do you."
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creating something of value and then
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43. "i'm a casual user and i upgraded the ram and hard drive on my macbooks"
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i'm copping this new joint, but i'm hella disappointed i gotta buy that extra ram from Apple instead of my niggas at newegg or OWC.

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38. "that's a lot of plea copping for a company with $600B market cap"
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the design aesthetic comment was a joke
thus the "lol"
and i don't have an issue with companies putting emphasis behind design
2 of my favorite electronic companies do it (sony, HTC)
i'm not adverse to it even being the priority of a tech company because it spurs innovation and enhances user experience ultimately
http://opim.wharton.upenn.edu/~ulrich/documents/ulrich-aesthetics.pdf
Apple has been doing "trial runs" of prioritizing physical design over practicality for a couple of yrs now
initially with the macbook air, the ipad 2(i think it had glued in battery), and now this
and their audience has spoken with their pocketbooks so it is what it is
i don't buy mac products...i get them for free, so i'm not THAT mad
it's just bothersome from a customer-centric pov

the car analogy is actually fitting since a lot of modern luxury brands hide the engine bay
if you don't like tinkering with products you buy and don't mind paying a premium to get them serviced with OEM parts....uh good for you
but i like the option(s)
some people like being presented with a problem and being able to resolve it themselves
learning how the components of a machine they love works in the process
doesn't matter if it's as simple as replacing a battery or hard drive....since there still is necessary research and troubleshooting required to diagnose and resolve the issue
then of course there's always the COST FACTOR
since it's cheaper to repair things yourself
and someone may even be more apt to bypass apples built in margin mechanism known as "apple care" if they felt confident in there being a way to resolve things themselves

here's my REAL LIFE example
battery died on my VAIO
went online copped a replacement for $60
got the part in 2 days, replaced it
didn't have to leave my crib. didn't have to schedule an "appointment" with "apple consultants", didn't have to go into the crowded ass apple store in ardmore to drop it off
the end

and yea that's where i got the recycle tidbit

can you explain how it's recyclable
besides "apple will take care of it"
lol @ all the solutions involving apple btw

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48. "Really, the mountains of Arizona?"
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How often does that happen in real life? How many people live a hundred miles away from a Best Buy?

  

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50. "You missed the point of the story"
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>How often does that happen in real life? How many people live
>a hundred miles away from a Best Buy?
That didn't add any time to the Best Buy repair scenario. Bestbuy had the machine for a week. Toshiba had it for 3 weeks.

Apple would have repaired it in an hour - ASSUMING they made an appointment to be seen - which I concede could add one to four days.

  

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58. "You framed the story in the most absurd way possible"
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It couldn't just be a story about somebody having to go across town, no, they had to travel a hundred miles through mountains and deserts.

  

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60. "1)IT was TRUE"
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>It couldn't just be a story about somebody having to go
>across town, no, they had to travel a hundred miles through
>mountains and deserts.

And the distance they traveled had NOTHING to do with the repair time on EITHER scenario.

Re-read it, but think that they live next door to both a BestBuy (who sends the computer hundreds of miles to get repaired) and the Apple store (who repairs it on site while you wait.)

  

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62. "Here's my problem with this example"
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>>but really tho
>>glued in battery with a $200 replacement fee and you
>probably
>>have to ship the unit to apple
>>or best case drop it off at the genius bar and wait a couple
>>of hours (whenever they give you an appointment)
>>http://www.apple.com/support/macbookpro/service/battery/
>>http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1519
>>smh
>
>So you can't replace the battery yourself. You can go to the
>Apple Store and have them replace it while watching a movie at
>the multi-plex.
>
>BUT HOW OFTEN DOES THAT HAPPEN IN REAL LIFE?? Once in the
>lifetime of the laptop?
>
At least once in the lifetime of a laptop. Batteries are consumables, there's no getting around it. So yeah, I have a problem with it. Since you went with the car analogy, lets run with that. Would you go to the Honda dealership to replace your tires? You can, but you also have other options as well.

>Here's my REAL LIFE experience in the last year:
>
>1)I bought a Toshiba PC laptop for Christmas for my nephews
>(once removed) in Arizona. Bought at a Bestbuy in Phoenix.
>They live in the mountains in Arizona. The hard drive dies. No
>BestBuys within 100 miles of where they are. When they get to
>a BestBuy they're told to leave the machine. A week later
>Bestbuy says it's the hard drive and the entire machine has to
>be sent to Toshiba. 3 weeks later Toshiba sends the machine
>back to Best Buy (with no operating system on it.)
>
>So they had 4 weeks of BestBuy turn around to replace faulty
>Hard Drive.
>
>Apple would have replaced it the same day, in the Apple Store.

Here's the biggest fallacy about this issue. If they don't live near a Best Buy, you think there's an Apple Store close by? There's so many more Best Buys out there than Apple Stores. So the Apple store may have been able to repair it on-site, but to think that everyone has access to them is laughable.

My wife was looking at getting an iPhone, but the closest Apple store is 125 miles away. That was the deciding factor between that an a Galaxy II S. She went with the G2S.
>
>
>I'd say advantage Apple.

>Really? http://www.apple.com/recycling/
>http://www.apple.com/environment/reports/docs/MacBookPro_Retina_Product_Environmental_Report_June2012.pdf
>
>
>Or do you read this guys post:
>http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2012/06/opinion-apple-retina-displa/
>And take his word, that his friends say you can't recycle
>it??
>
>When the machine is dead, send it to Apple and they will
>recycle it.

>
>You do lots of LOL and FUCKING in your posts for some reason.

Look. Let's be honest about this. Apple's core (see what I did there) won't care about upgrades, but there is a section of their consumer base that does.

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65. "RE: Here's my problem with this example"
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>>BUT HOW OFTEN DOES THAT HAPPEN IN REAL LIFE?? Once in the
>>lifetime of the laptop?
>>
>At least once in the lifetime of a laptop. Batteries are
>consumables, there's no getting around it. So yeah, I have a
>problem with it. Since you went with the car analogy, lets
>run with that. Would you go to the Honda dealership to
>replace your tires? You can, but you also have other options
>as well.

1)So you buy a Mac today , and in 5 years you might need to replace the battery. If you buy an ELECTRIC car (like in my example, the one dealing with BATTERIES) you will almost certainly have to go to the dealership to stay under warranty.

(The tires analogy was about user-self-servicing. I certainly won't be putting new tires on my own car, maybe you get a kick out of it - and own a bead breaking machine.)

And Apple doesn't *have* to do it - iFixit, or your local Mac shop can. Apple's not forbidding people from working on their machines. iFix just says it's hard. (And it will break your Apple warranty - but since Apple has GREAT service (see: Apple tops in customer satisfaction for 8th year http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-20108336-17/apple-tops-in-customer-satisfaction-for-8th-year/) I don't quite see why you wouldn't let Apple repair the machine.)



>>Here's my REAL LIFE experience in the last year:
>>

>Here's the biggest fallacy about this issue. If they don't
>live near a Best Buy, you think there's an Apple Store close
>by? There's so many more Best Buys out there than Apple
>Stores. So the Apple store may have been able to repair it
>on-site, but to think that everyone has access to them is
>laughable.

Well, first off in my example they had access to NEITHER. (Did you read it like they live INSIDE an Apple store and there no was no Best Buy within 6,000 miles of their location??)

Plus Apple does offer cross shipping, and they will send out user replaceable parts. Toshiba did not offer this service for my nephew's PC. And they returned a hard drive without ANY software on it - not just missing my nephew's data - but completely blank.

>My wife was looking at getting an iPhone, but the closest
>Apple store is 125 miles away. That was the deciding factor
>between that an a Galaxy II S. She went with the G2S.
>>

So she couldn't buy it at Best Buy, the AT&T store, the Verizon Store, Radio Shack, Target, Sprint Store, or a Alaska Communications, Appalachian Wireless (Kentucky), GCI Wireless (Alaska), CellCom (Wisconsin) and Matanuska Telephone Association (Alaska) , Bluegrass Cellular (Kentucky), Golden State Cellular (California), or Nex-Tech Wireless (Kansas) location? And soon, Cricket and Virgin Mobile. (Apple directs those stores to replace your faulty iPhone when it's under warranty and having issues that can't be blamed on you, and if they can be blamed on you Apple will usually sell you a replacement for $199.)

Maybe you live inside of the store that sells the G2S - I can now see why my Best Buy example confused you so.

Or maybe you didn't really ask too many questions while at your local retailer -like "What if my phone breaks - do I have to drive 125 miles to the Apple store?"


>Look. Let's be honest about this. Apple's core (see what I
>did there) won't care about upgrades, but there is a section
>of their consumer base that does.

Who says they can't upgrade it? There's a secondary market that sells Apple upgrades. You'll be able to by the 768GB SSD upgrade in a few weeks form a third party seller. You'll be able to get replacement batteries.

Or is it implicit that it has to be CHEAPER than Apple's cost to qualify as Apple allowing you to upgrade?

Or does it have to be EASY

If that's what you mean then I DO suggest you steer clear of Apple and assemble your own laptop from commodity parts. Same with your phone.




  

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66. "RE: Here's my problem with this example"
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>>>BUT HOW OFTEN DOES THAT HAPPEN IN REAL LIFE?? Once in the
>>>lifetime of the laptop?
>>>
>>At least once in the lifetime of a laptop. Batteries are
>>consumables, there's no getting around it. So yeah, I have
>a
>>problem with it. Since you went with the car analogy, lets
>>run with that. Would you go to the Honda dealership to
>>replace your tires? You can, but you also have other
>options
>>as well.
>
>1)So you buy a Mac today , and in 5 years you might need to
>replace the battery. If you buy an ELECTRIC car (like in my
>example, the one dealing with BATTERIES) you will almost
>certainly have to go to the dealership to stay under
>warranty.

Consumables don't fall under warranties. It's just a part of the maintenance.
>
>(The tires analogy was about user-self-servicing. I certainly
>won't be putting new tires on my own car, maybe you get a kick
>out of it - and own a bead breaking machine.)

>
>And Apple doesn't *have* to do it - iFixit, or your local Mac
>shop can. Apple's not forbidding people from working on their
>machines. iFix just says it's hard. (And it will break your
>Apple warranty - but since Apple has GREAT service (see: Apple
>tops in customer satisfaction for 8th year
>http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-20108336-17/apple-tops-in-customer-satisfaction-for-8th-year/)
>I don't quite see why you wouldn't let Apple repair the
>machine.)
>
>
>
>>>Here's my REAL LIFE experience in the last year:
>>>
>
>>Here's the biggest fallacy about this issue. If they don't
>>live near a Best Buy, you think there's an Apple Store close
>>by? There's so many more Best Buys out there than Apple
>>Stores. So the Apple store may have been able to repair it
>>on-site, but to think that everyone has access to them is
>>laughable.
>
>Well, first off in my example they had access to NEITHER. (Did
>you read it like they live INSIDE an Apple store and there no
>was no Best Buy within 6,000 miles of their location??)

Don't be obtuse. But that's my point. Of course they didn't have access to either.
>
>Plus Apple does offer cross shipping, and they will send out
>user replaceable parts. Toshiba did not offer this service for
>my nephew's PC. And they returned a hard drive without ANY
>software on it - not just missing my nephew's data - but
>completely blank.
>
>>My wife was looking at getting an iPhone, but the closest
>>Apple store is 125 miles away. That was the deciding factor
>>between that an a Galaxy II S. She went with the G2S.
>>>
>
>So she couldn't buy it at Best Buy, the AT&T store, the
>Verizon Store, Radio Shack, Target, Sprint Store, or a Alaska
>Communications, Appalachian Wireless (Kentucky), GCI Wireless
>(Alaska), CellCom (Wisconsin) and Matanuska Telephone
>Association (Alaska) , Bluegrass Cellular (Kentucky), Golden
>State Cellular (California), or Nex-Tech Wireless (Kansas)
>location? And soon, Cricket and Virgin Mobile. (Apple directs
>those stores to replace your faulty iPhone when it's under
>warranty and having issues that can't be blamed on you, and if
>they can be blamed on you Apple will usually sell you a
>replacement for $199.)
>
>Maybe you live inside of the store that sells the G2S - I can
>now see why my Best Buy example confused you so.
>
>Or maybe you didn't really ask too many questions while at
>your local retailer -like "What if my phone breaks - do I have
>to drive 125 miles to the Apple store?"
>

Well, this is the exact question we asked, and we were told that she would have to visit an Apple store for any issues with her phone. Apple has really taken the troubleshooting of their phones away from the carriers. But if you're okay with that, I'm cool.

>
>>Look. Let's be honest about this. Apple's core (see what I
>>did there) won't care about upgrades, but there is a section
>>of their consumer base that does.
>
>Who says they can't upgrade it? There's a secondary market
>that sells Apple upgrades. You'll be able to by the 768GB SSD
>upgrade in a few weeks form a third party seller. You'll be
>able to get replacement batteries.
>
>Or is it implicit that it has to be CHEAPER than Apple's cost
>to qualify as Apple allowing you to upgrade?
>
>Or does it have to be EASY
>
>If that's what you mean then I DO suggest you steer clear of
>Apple and assemble your own laptop from commodity parts. Same
>with your phone.
>

You're a fucking moron. Replacing a consumable shouldn't fucking void your warranty.

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67. "RE: Here's my problem with this example"
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>Well, this is the exact question we asked, and we were told
>that she would have to visit an Apple store for any issues
>with her phone. Apple has really taken the troubleshooting of
>their phones away from the carriers. But if you're okay with
>that, I'm cool.

Doesn't work that way here in San Diego. BestBuy will replace a defective phone. AT&T will too. That's how Apple repairs phones, either replacing the back broken glass - or swapping the whole phone out. They don't take a soldering iron to it. It's a part or phone SWAP.

And I know they'll cross ship one to you. You call Apple - phone is having issues. They take your credit card number and ship you a new phone. Then you put your old phone in the box and send it back to them. Done and DONE.

>You're a fucking moron. Replacing a consumable shouldn't
>fucking void your warranty.

1)Who say's it'll void your warranty??

You buy a battery sealed inside the machine and it's not going to be user replaceable. Liek the Ipod, the MacBook air, and the post 2010 MacBooks.

Apple has a long track record of replacing / fixing issues - and the customer satisfaction surveys taken over the years bear that out.

1)The battery is covered under the warranty for defects. Battery dead in the first year = almost 100% chance Apple replaces it for free. . It's not like DiscountTires where you get a pro-rate value depending on the amount of tread left.

If the MBP Retina's battery does fail out of warranty it costs $199 for replacement parts AND installation from Apple. That's a maintenance cost you're aware of when purchasing the machine.

It's not a 1960 Chevy - it's a 2010 electric car - and they have different maintenance models. When the battery needs to repaired/replaced - send it in / take it to a shop.

You can either deal with this or not:
If I buy this machine, there's a chance that sometime in the next few years I'll have to spend $199 and have the computer in the shop/sent away for repair for between 3 hours and 5 days.

If that's a deal-breaker then the deal is broken.

They even have a webpage about it: http://www.apple.com/support/macbookpro/service/battery/

  

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70. "RE: Here's my problem with this example"
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>>Well, this is the exact question we asked, and we were told
>>that she would have to visit an Apple store for any issues
>>with her phone. Apple has really taken the troubleshooting
>of
>>their phones away from the carriers. But if you're okay
>with
>>that, I'm cool.
>
>Doesn't work that way here in San Diego. BestBuy will replace
>a defective phone. AT&T will too. That's how Apple repairs
>phones, either replacing the back broken glass - or swapping
>the whole phone out. They don't take a soldering iron to it.
>It's a part or phone SWAP.
>
>And I know they'll cross ship one to you. You call Apple -
>phone is having issues. They take your credit card number and
>ship you a new phone. Then you put your old phone in the box
>and send it back to them. Done and DONE.

Yeah, Sprint won't even touch it here. They sell you Applecare and bid you good luck.
>
>>You're a fucking moron. Replacing a consumable shouldn't
>>fucking void your warranty.
>
>1)Who say's it'll void your warranty??
>
>You buy a battery sealed inside the machine and it's not going
>to be user replaceable. Liek the Ipod, the MacBook air, and
>the post 2010 MacBooks.
>
>Apple has a long track record of replacing / fixing issues -
>and the customer satisfaction surveys taken over the years
>bear that out.
>
>1)The battery is covered under the warranty for defects.
>Battery dead in the first year = almost 100% chance Apple
>replaces it for free. . It's not like DiscountTires where you
>get a pro-rate value depending on the amount of tread left.
>
>If the MBP Retina's battery does fail out of warranty it costs
>$199 for replacement parts AND installation from Apple. That's
>a maintenance cost you're aware of when purchasing the
>machine.
>
>It's not a 1960 Chevy - it's a 2010 electric car - and they
>have different maintenance models. When the battery needs to
>repaired/replaced - send it in / take it to a shop.
>
>You can either deal with this or not:
>If I buy this machine, there's a chance that sometime in the
>next few years I'll have to spend $199 and have the computer
>in the shop/sent away for repair for between 3 hours and 5
>days.
>
>If that's a deal-breaker then the deal is broken.
>
>They even have a webpage about it:
>http://www.apple.com/support/macbookpro/service/battery/

I'm with it.

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45. "this is like asking a car enthusiast why they want a Lambo"
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Anything can get you from A to B,
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56. "No, its more expensive than a everyday sedan but gets the same job done"
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59. "The job a Lambo gets done isn't "getting from A to B.""
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The job it does is to make you feel like you have more hair and a longer penis.

  

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61. "while getting you from A to B"
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its tied in there somehow

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64. "The RDF is strong in that one."
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46. "btw if you use any non-Apple applications you should wait before upgradi..."
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My boss has one one. Just checked it out. Text rendering looks like shit. Everyone needs to fix their font rendering code.

^^^I'm sure that'll get misconstrued as hate too.

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47. "i wonder how long that's going to take to get sorted"
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for most 3rd parties.

especially browsers. niggas get stuck having to use Safari and shit.

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52. "This is the first reasonable issue with the machine. "
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In 5 years when every laptop is at "retina" resolutions Imma up this dumb ass post.

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49. "I don't see why anyone other than "early adopters""
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would get one of these in the first place.

It's brand-new, probably full of bugs, and designed around potential/hypothetical ideas of how pro users will operate five years from now.

While I think things may "eventually" get to where laptops are closer to tablets in being less upgradable/user repairable (and the computer will become more of an appliance for the end user), we're not there YET. Same with not needing optical drives or built-in ethernet ports. Wifi is SLOW, dammit.

  

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53. "can you back up that "probably full of bugs" statement?"
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And why are all of the ideas about how people use computers hypothetical / potential, rather than based largely off the massive success that is that Macbook Air?

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82. "All Apple "A" cycle models are buggy to some degree."
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Applies to most manufacturers. I usually prefer to wait for the "B" models for workflow stability.

As for the success of the MacBook Air, it was no overnight success. It took two years and several revisions before it became "accepted" as something other than a rich person's toy. Apple is good for that sometimes - giving people future tech and waiting for the rest of the world to (hopefully) catch up/on.

  

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54. "i get it's pricey, but y'all are clearly up on tech"
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that i don't know about.

so before i waste my money on this shit, tell me what other 15" laptop is out there with equal or better specs (overkill screen, large ssd, ivy bridge, all that), that can run all three of the main platforms out the box no fuss, and weighs less than four and a half pounds for cheaper?

do i need all that shit?

no.

do i want all that shit? why the hell wouldn't i?

if you can point me toward something better for cheaper i'll cop without hesitation.

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74. "Do they have demo units in the Apple store yet?"
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Now that everyone is borrowing from Apple design replacing LCDs yourself is going to get very difficult.

I'd bet Apple has replacements WITH the bevel and aluminum case ready. Looking at pics it looks SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO breakable. It's glass. Looks great but this very breakable.

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76. "Yeah, and it does look breakable."
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55. "side note: i audit sales at a college bookstore that sells macs"
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i have to authorize these itunes/app store gift cards when certain apple products are sold.

$50 cards for ipads.
$100 cards for macbook airs or macbook pros.

i haven't given out any $50 cards. but i've given out hella $100 joints.

anecdotal, i know. i have no idea which models are being sold (i just track sales, not SKUs), but it's an interesting trend reversal, however brief.

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57. "It makes sense though..."
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They're trying to make it like the iphone or a product you're less likely to even attempt to repair yourself (Think of all the electronics most people wouldn't even open up themselves).

As they push to fuse iOS and OSX, the software and hardware are going to continue to be less customizable in certain ways.

I see how they're trying to make all components surrounding computers as simple as possible and it totally makes sense for a large portion of consumers using apple products.

  

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72. "How many of you have replaced/repaired an LCD?"
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I'm just asking.

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75. "I have"
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But it was at work, and we had 10-15 dead computers that we Frankenstein-ed into a few good ones.

More like Legos than anything else.

The machines were years old and not worth saving so much. But it was better than doing the job we were paid for.



Now, before MagSafe came along I know a person who broke his laptop screen TWICE by tripping over the cord. He had his screen replaced twice - but by Apple - and he paid a fee for it. He'll be in the same boat if it happens if he buys a MBP Retina.

  

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77. "repair costs are going to be hilarious."
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80. "while it's dope....I thought about it....new Air will be good for now"
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shit I don't even need the big ssd (unless bootcamping other oses takes that much space) because I'm about to build a nas.

For what I do, that air is plenty and ultra portable. Until all 3rd party apps look stupendous on it I have no need.

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81. "Deeper look at disposable electronics from the iFixit guy (swipe)"
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Click the link for links to numerous references

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Unfixable Computers Are Leading Humanity Down a Perilous Path
By Kyle WiensEmail Author June 22, 2012 | 6:30 am | Categories: WiredOpinion

I’ve been writing about Apple and the value of repair for the better part of the last decade. Repair is our mission at iFixit — and it always has been. Even so, I didn’t expect the scale of the public response when I argued last week that consumers should choose the hackable, fixable non-Retina MacBook Pro over its sleeker-and-shinier-but-locked-down sibling.

The debate has been contentious. Garrett Murray argues that repairability is ludditism, old-fashioned inertia dragging down forward progress. He believes that more compact devices will necessarily be less upgradeable and hackable.

Others said repair doesn’t matter; consumers don’t care. On some level, they’re right. If something breaks, most computer owners won’t grab a screwdriver — they’ll take it to a specialist. And if the computer outlives its usefulness, they won’t upgrade their machine, they’ll just buy a faster one. Some folks correctly pointed out that Apple products are more durable than other computers. Plus, Apple has a reputable extended warranty program.

But sending your difficult-to-repair computer off to a Genius doesn’t exempt you from repair troubles. About a third of computers break by the fourth year. AppleCare doesn’t cover accidents and only lasts up to three years. Less repairable design guarantees that fixing stuff will be more expensive and complicated. Repairability is important for consumers.

Yet I think this argument misses the bigger point. The future of this planet depends on the quality of our electronic devices — and how long they last.

Technology doesn’t just make our lives more convenient. It makes life better on a global scale. Modern communications have driven advances in biotechnology, soil science, and medicine. For the first time, farmers are able to get instant weather advisories, pay for fertilizer by phone while standing in the field, and fight back against local monopolies with access to global commodity prices. Globally, we manufactured 1.6 billion cell phones last year, and we’ll make over 2 billion this year. The problem? The way we’re doing it hurts people and permanently damages our environment.

I dream of a sustainable technology industry that makes life-changing innovations like the iPad available to everyone on the planet. But I have a message for Jonathan Ive. I think that on top of building amazing new products, the technology industry should have three goals:

Make our innovations available to everyone on the planet, not just the richest 12 percent in America and Europe.
Stop the devastating environmental and social impacts of hardware manufacturing.
Depend far less on mining than we do currently. It’s not just the coltan mines fueling wars in the DRC — the Berkeley Pit disaster was so devastating that many in Montana wish they had never tapped the copper deposits. That same situation is repeating itself in parts of China and Africa right now.
I’ve spent a lot of time studying these problems. I’ve visited the electronics scrapyards in Ghana where children burn electronics to mine them for raw materials. I’ve interviewed product designers at leading electronics manufacturers, including ones that integrate life cycle analysis into their design process. And I’ve spent a lot of time studying the aftermarket — the raw underbelly of the consumer electronics industry, where repair, reuse, and material recovery happen.

There’s no such thing as a completely green cell phone or computer. Even elective ‘green’ standards like EPEAT are far from mandating environmentally neutral products. I’m on the EPEAT balloting committee, and chemical companies have successfully lobbied for years to water down standards — much to the chagrin of everyone, including many manufacturers.

I’ve learned that most of the environmental and social impact of the electronics industry happens outside of the purview of the device manufacturers: It happens in mines and chemical factories well upstream of Foxconn and in unregulated scrapyards around the world.

Pit mining is savaging the environment, causing water pollution issues that lead to birth defects and are unbelievably expensive to clean up. Semiconductor manufacturers’ insatiable demand for a vast array of minerals is also causing geopolitical issues. China is heavily restricting exports of rare earth metals to prop up its domestic manufacturing sector.

When the warranty ends, manufacturers would prefer it if stuff disappeared so they could sell you a new product. But the real world isn’t nearly so tidy. Only a small fraction of the electronics produced are recycled. And even then, they’re usually shredded and separated into component materials. Shredding is a waste of resources and squanders the embodied energy in devices. Worse, many materials, including rare earths and coltan, are not being recovered at all.

So, why do we keep making more devices? We’re pretty close to manufacturing almost all of the electronics we need. There’s no need to make a billion more cell phones next year than we did this year. Increased manufacturing isn’t just due to advances in technology — we’re not very efficient at utilizing things that we already make. If you don’t have at least one cell phone in your junk drawer, I bet someone in your family does. That phone could be helping someone else.

In an ideal world, after you’ve moved on to your next gadget, technicians will continue to repair, salvage, and refurbish the old one. It will move on from owner to owner. iFixit is part of that ecosystem — in addition to teaching repair, we buy computers from people and resell the components. I once received a computer with a handwritten note on it: “Goodbye, iBook. In your death, may you give life to a dozen more computers.”

And that’s my hope for electronics everywhere. Fortunately, the migration of usable electronics to the developing world is natural. Lots of people can’t afford to buy new computers. Passing along old devices is the best way to share the benefits of technology. In a few years, the computer that you gave to Goodwill could very well end up in a computer lab in Kenya. I know electronics refurbishers that have resold the exact same computer six or seven times. And assuming repair techs have the knowledge and skill required to maintain them, those computers will serve their owners well, costing less each time they’re passed along.

Long-lasting, repairable hardware is the key to making computers available to people who couldn’t otherwise afford them. Upgradeable tech also helps — even if you don’t upgrade your own computer, somebody else down the line can. It’s amazing how long people can keep technology running.

Manufacturing electronics results in lots of nasty environmental problems, everything from toxic dumping to aldehyde vapor emissions. We have decided, if only by inaction, that the cost of our hyper-productive modern lifestyle is worth these tradeoffs. I’m culpable myself — I live at the cutting edge along with all of you.

But if we’re going to make that tradeoff, the least we could do is to pass on the technology we’re enjoying now. That’s why I am so eager to promote hardware that lasts and call out products that don’t. It’s critically important that we fix things when they break. Consumers need to demand products that aren’t just light and thin, but can also stand the test of time. Because technology is far more than just another new gadget — it’s our future.

  

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