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Walleye
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"How do I convince a black kid to run distance events?"


          

To be clear, I'm used to kids who want to sprint who aren't any good at it. That's pretty much the state of 80% of freshmen and sophomores who run track. The problem here is that our sprint crew is mediocre enough that he actually is capable of helping them and, further, that he's been way more candid about identifying distance running as "for white kids" than most of my runners.

This is a rising junior, who finished last cross country season (his first, played football his freshman year but his parents squashed that) as our #3 runner. He plays basketball in the winter, though my understanding is that he's a coin toss to make varsity this year. He ran outdoor track last spring, and in spite of his success during cross country, I ended up spending all season trying to have an open mind to his desire to be a sprinter.

He's not a sprinter. Watching him, you'd be able to tell this instantly. He's not explosive at all, but keeps a nice, efficient stride going pretty much interminably. He also has an instinctual sense of pacing that's extremely hard to teach, and has a blood-in-the-water sense for when people in front of him start to tire. Empirically, he topped out in the 24.high/54.mid range for 200/400 but ran 2:06.xx for us in the 800m without doing *any* distance work since the fall. I actually don't think he's even an 800m runner at the end of the day, but that was the compromise we agreed on this season.

As I've said, he's been pretty clear that he's not interested in the events for white kids. Part of me thinks this will just pass. Cross country races in our area are 90% white and that hasn't stopped him from being competitive and engaged. But I think he's got a chance to be a special miler/2-miler in track, like in the 4:15/9:20 range if he actually commits to the distance events.

I've learned over the last year that one of the worst mistakes a coach can make is wanting it more than the kids. So, I'm not going to push too hard. And I'm also really uncomfortable making arguments based on future promises like "if you run the mile, DI schools will start throwing money at you." Distance running is hard and boring succeeding at that level will take way more than just saying "yes, I'd like to do this."

But I'm a much better judge of talent than I am at actually coaching that talent, so I'm pretty sure I'm right about this. Anybody got any insight on this? I'm not really sure how useful it'd be for his white, middle-aged coach to engage his central argument - even if it's untrue at both the high-school and college level in the United States.

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How do I convince a black kid to run distance events? [View all] , Walleye, Fri Jul-14-17 03:39 PM
 
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idk that you can "convince" any kid to do distance events
Jul 14th 2017
1
Yeah, it's a reliably tough sell to all of them
Jul 14th 2017
2
But distance is for white kids
Jul 14th 2017
3
I mean, you're not wrong
Jul 14th 2017
4
You said he hoops. Tell him that the 8 is for basketball players.
Jul 14th 2017
5
      Hey, that was fun - and exactly how I treat the event
Jul 14th 2017
6
           You still in Nashville? What school?
Jul 14th 2017
8
                Nope, back in DC area now
Jul 14th 2017
9
This is so weird.
Jul 19th 2017
37
      This line didn't get enough praise the first time around
Aug 14th 2018
76
First off, this is the best post this board has seen in a while.
Jul 14th 2017
7
RE: First off, this is the best post this board has seen in a while.
Jul 14th 2017
10
Bring him around the team and encourage him
Jul 14th 2017
11
Give him a copy of Charley Pride's autobiography.
Jul 14th 2017
12
I mean, it's basically him and now Darius Rucker right?
Jul 14th 2017
13
Dobie Gray too, though he crossed over into pop a lot.
Jul 15th 2017
19
The thing is though, if he's not elite, he'll still hit a ceiling and no...
Jul 14th 2017
14
      I think he can be an elite miler, but he'd have to start *soon*
Jul 17th 2017
23
Jordan's.
Jul 14th 2017
15
see if the basketball coach advises it?
Jul 15th 2017
16
Honestly, the best advice in here.
Jul 15th 2017
20
Yeah, basketball coach will help
Jul 15th 2017
21
My coach convinced me to run the 800.
Jul 15th 2017
17
RE: My coach convinced me to run the 800.
Jul 17th 2017
24
There's such a huge dichotomy between the 400 and 800.
Jul 15th 2017
18
Ah, we have a slightly different background
Jul 17th 2017
26
It is a hard sell but I try getting him to run the 8 seriously...
Jul 17th 2017
22
show him video of Abebe Bikila and Mamo Wolde
Jul 17th 2017
25
This was my "how do I convince ANY kid to play goalie" this past spring
Jul 17th 2017
27
I got nutted in pre-game and it crippled me for a couple hours
Jul 17th 2017
28
He's going to cross country camp!
Jul 18th 2017
29
Congrats!
Jul 18th 2017
30
👍🏾 cc is much more fun than laps
Jul 18th 2017
31
That wasn't my experience, but you're definitely not alone
Jul 19th 2017
32
      We talking practice or the race?
Jul 19th 2017
34
      The race, I think
Jul 19th 2017
41
      On the track, THA VIEW NEVAH CHANGES (c)Duthty Rhodes
Jul 19th 2017
36
      "rare" in this case means "slightly off"
Jul 19th 2017
42
           Jersey raced 400 IH in the 90s.
Jul 20th 2017
45
      I ran CC, I never ran track.
Jul 19th 2017
40
           Yeah, this is another thing I have to work on
Jul 19th 2017
43
Out of curiosity.
Jul 19th 2017
33
They decided on their own, it seems
Jul 19th 2017
35
      In my eyes
Jul 19th 2017
38
           I wanted a volume of opinions, and yours is more direct anyhow
Jul 19th 2017
39
Great news! I hope he ends up with a good group!
Jul 19th 2017
44
Update: This fellow has come for everybody's lunch money
Aug 16th 2017
46
That is awesome.
Aug 21st 2017
47
Nice
Aug 21st 2017
48
LOVE IT. Congrats...but here's the catch. He is going to have a great
Aug 22nd 2017
49
      I can live with that
Aug 22nd 2017
50
Update: Good-not-great XC season, indoor starting next week
Nov 19th 2017
51
Boring update: Teenagers are tough
Apr 07th 2018
52
I've quoted your dad somewhere b/w 40 and 200 times over the years
Apr 07th 2018
53
      I bring it up pretty frequently too
Apr 07th 2018
54
           Could you post the quote?
Apr 07th 2018
55
                ...it's his sig.
Apr 07th 2018
56
                     Thx
Apr 09th 2018
57
my kids are doing track
Apr 09th 2018
58
It took awhile, but I love how many kids are starting young
Apr 10th 2018
60
My son is 15 and I've been trying to convince him to run
Apr 09th 2018
59
That was me at fifteen
Apr 10th 2018
61
your son on that Seinfeld
Apr 10th 2018
63
      Grossly underrated episode.
Apr 10th 2018
64
      Was that freeze frame ... (Atlanta spoilers, I guess?)
Apr 10th 2018
65
      Basically. ha!
Apr 10th 2018
66
Semi-related, this year is the first year we've had a good 100/200m runn...
Apr 10th 2018
62
This ended up a wasted season, senior year coming up
Jun 21st 2018
67
Do you feel like the club track season will exacerbate his injury?
Jun 21st 2018
68
      No, he's fine
Jun 21st 2018
69
Personal Update
Aug 14th 2018
70
Great news!
Aug 14th 2018
71
      Lucky for us
Aug 14th 2018
74
           That's excellent
Aug 14th 2018
75
Senior year
Aug 14th 2018
72
Really enjoying this podcast...
Aug 14th 2018
73
It ended up way more specific than I intended
Aug 14th 2018
77
      Zero people I'd rather have a beer* with on OKS than Walleye
Aug 14th 2018
78
           Thanks!
Aug 16th 2018
79
                Yo, you're in DC? Mayun, I'm in DC on the regular
Aug 16th 2018
80
                     Yup
Aug 16th 2018
81
                          This season's gonna turn out however it's gonna turn out
Aug 16th 2018
82
Fun fact: distance races can be run aggressively
Sep 10th 2018
83
      What private school?
Sep 10th 2018
84
Walleye is quitting coaching. No further updates.
Sep 20th 2018
85
Between teaching and coaching, I have *two* captive audiences
Sep 21st 2018
86
Put on a cop uni and chase him around the neighborhood.
Sep 21st 2018
87
Really solid racing this weekend
Sep 25th 2018
88
Eh finish to a pretty-okay season
Nov 16th 2018
89

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