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"for you mathematicians out there: Klinsmann apparently = 4 Bob Bradleys"


  

          

so considering Bob Bradley was in the knockout stages, and we can now safely expect 4x as many results from the blonde motivator extraordinaire, our proud German savior Jurgen, that should put us in the WC Final in 2014 right? 4 wins in the knockouts where Bradley couldn't produce? good news, good news, can't wait. I'll have to start planning the party now.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/soccer-insider/post/us-soccer-federation-budget-revealed/2011/12/12/gIQA5lZCqO_blog.html#pagebreak

Posted at 03:18 PM ET, 12/12/2011
U.S. Soccer Federation budget revealed

By Steven Goff


I spent part of my weekend leafing through the 604-page U.S. Soccer Federation budget for fiscal year 2013, which covers April 2012 through the following March. (I don’t recommend it.)

Want to know how much is spent on shipping costs for a board of directors meeting, cell phone stipends, auto maintenance, the value of office furniture or the number of players registered in Vermont? How about President Sunil Gulati’s travel expenses? It’s all in there. (Gulati is afforded $120,770 for 35 domestic trips and seven international visits.)

The budget, which was obtained by the Insider last week, must be ratified at the USSF’s annual general meeting in March in Miami.

Beyond the minutia that would numb even the most enthusiastic accountant, the book reveals a number of interesting figures and statements:


*The USSF is projecting a $6.6 million deficit in FY ’13 ($8.8 million operating deficit, offset some by $2.2 million investment income). “We believe our commitment today to both programming and personnel will increase the overall value of our core property and in turn increase future revenue opportunities,” the federation says in the budget report.

That “personnel” includes new U.S. men’s national team coach Juergen Klinsmann, whose base salary is $2.5 million – four times more than predecessor Bob Bradley earned. The USSF is also expanding the officiating program and continuing to invest in the Development Academy, which is designed to bolster the youth system.

The USSF is projecting a deficit of $4.5 million for fiscal year 2012, which ends this March ($6.1 million overall, offset some by $1.6 million investment income). The economy is partly to blame: “We anticipate continued negative impact on matches that are not considered ‘premium’ by our fans,” which refers to friendlies against low- or mid-tier opponents or matches played early in the year and World Cup cycle, the federation says.

From a marketing and sponsorship perspective, “we have long-term agreements in place with sustained revenue. We are also in the process of pursuing additional long-term sponsorship agreements that will help protect against any short-term economic downturns.”

In 2010 and ’11, the USSF banked surpluses totaling more than $8 million, most of it coming from investment income.

According to the budget, revenue in FY ’13 will come from sponsors ($12.5 million); men’s and women’s national team events ($11.6 million); player and membership registration ($5.7 million); referee registration ($3 million); and coaching programs ($1.5 million). Nike, a major sponsor, earmarked an additional $5.9 million for player development programs.

*The two Victory Tour matches for the U.S. women’s national team this fall grossed $1.1 million in ticket sales (35,000 total). The U.S. men’s national team friendly against world champion Spain in June netted $4.7 million in ticket sales (64,000) and revenue.

The women’s team is slated to play two away friendlies in April and one at home in May. It will also play three away friendlies in June and one at home in July before the Olympics (assuming the Americans qualify next month).

The women’s participation in the Olympics brings in an additional $250,000 from sponsors. Team expenses are projected at $1.8 million and winning the gold medal would trigger more than $1 million in bonuses for the player pool and a Victory Tour of up to 10 games.

If the women fail to win the gold and settle for silver or bronze, the bonus pool is very small (no specifics available) and the Victory Tour “would be adjusted accordingly,” just as the post-World Cup schedule was trimmed to two matches after the team finished second in Germany.

In stark contrast, the U.S. Olympic men’s squad wouldn’t receive any additional rewards for earning a medal in London. Why would the women receive enormous bonuses and the men collect slaps on the back?

The women’s riches are driven by the collective bargaining agreement between the women’s senior national team and the USSF. The women’s senior squad represents the United States at the Olympics, which, along with the World Cup, are the pinnacle of the players’ career.

The Olympic men’s squad is primarily for under-23 players striving for a place on the senior national team, where financial prizes are substantial in later years. (The U.S. men’s senior national team has a separate CBA with the USSF and doesn’t include the U-23s.)

The women’s CBA also calls for annual salaries for the primary players: $62,500, $43,750 or $31,250, which supplements their modest WPS contracts. The men have no such agreement. They do, however, receive appearance fees and bonuses for national team work; the women don’t.

*The men’s senior team is slated to play away friendlies in June and August 2012. The USSF will receive $25,000 for those appearances; team expenses are projected at more than $300,000 for each trip. A major home friendly (known as a “premium” match) is planned for June with 55,000 spectators at an average ticket price of $67 for gate revenue of $3.7 million. The event expenses plus U.S. team expenses would total $1.8 million, for an anticipated surplus of $1.9 million. (And you wonder why the USA plays Mexico at home regularly.)

The team is also pegged to play an away match next fall that would bring in $100,000 (offset by $400,000 in expenses). The World Cup qualifying schedule includes two matches in June, two in September and two in October, plus three in early 2013, assuming the Americans advance to the final round. The semifinal-round home games are money-losers because of typically modest turnouts for lower-ranked opponents. The away matches garner no revenue and cost nearly $600,000 apiece in expenses.

*The men’s youth program was $442,000 under budget this year, most of that due to the failure to qualify for the U-20 World Cup.

*In FY ’12, the USSF expects to collect $2.8 million in fees for sanctioning international matches at U.S. venues involving non-U.S. friendlies and exhibitions featuring visiting clubs – about $600,000 above initial expectations. FIFA and CONCACAF receive a percentage of those fees, and another share is earmarked for the state association where the match is held. Promoters have challenged the USSF’s right to collect the fee and filed suit. The case is pending.

*The USSF is making a substantial commitment to improving officiating by spending $3.8 million in FY ’13 – a $1.1 million increase over FY ’12. However, it’s not entirely a knee-jerk reaction to criticism leveled by MLS players, coaches and supporters about the quality of officiating; the USSF has said over the years it’s been looking to improve the program. However, the intensity of the criticism has undoubtedly sped up the process. Details of the revamped program are expected to be unveiled soon.

The FY ’13 budget includes $1.8 million earmarked for “referee performance,” which includes the pro referee department, full-time referee program, training camps, referee coach and match evaluation.

In FY ’12, the USSF budgeted $90,000 for such initiatives but expects to end up spending $1.15 million. It has also budgeted $639,000 for referee ID and training; in FY ’12, it budgeted $75,000 and anticipates spending $346,000.

Also in FY ’12, the USSF didn’t budget any money for referee education but will end up spending $532,000. For FY ’13, the budget calls for $631,000 in that area. It’s unclear how much MLS will help to offset the costs.

Not included in the budget details but confirmed by the Insider: Terry Vaughn, one of three full-time USSF referees and an MLS regular, will not return to the program next year because of subpar evaluations

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for you mathematicians out there: Klinsmann apparently = 4 Bob Bradleys [View all] , celery77, Mon Dec-12-11 05:54 PM
 
Subject Author Message Date ID
for you mathematicians out there: 4 * 0 = 0
Dec 12th 2011
1
worrying about other men's money
Dec 12th 2011
2
You and jersey should jump in a kayak and sing yiddish tunes
Dec 12th 2011
3
did you just make a jew joke?
Mar 27th 2012
10
      To be fair, he didn't *just* make it. It was three months ago.
Mar 27th 2012
11
Worst agenda in OKSports. n/m
Dec 13th 2011
4
oh so when the 'cism is anti-American, okp can't be bothered to care?
Dec 13th 2011
5
      RE: oh so when the 'cism is anti-American, okp can't be bothered to care...
Mar 27th 2012
9
o you thought we were blaming that debacle on Porter? Wrong.
Mar 26th 2012
6
2.5m sounds like nothing, lol @ bradley was making less than an
Mar 27th 2012
7
RE: for you mathematicians out there: Klinsmann apparently = 4 Bob Brad...
Mar 27th 2012
8
so remember the MLS team Klinsi "consulted" prior to the US job?
May 08th 2012
12
I'm with ya, Celery. And I say bring back Arena.
May 08th 2012
13
Bruce "Kasey Keller is my best keeper" Arena? Pass.
May 08th 2012
18
      the guy that got further than any US coach in recent history??
May 08th 2012
22
           Hate to say I told you so. He stuck with TIMMAY one cycle too long too.
Oct 10th 2017
185
You of all people should be glad...
May 08th 2012
14
      if the guy who set up the historic failure wasn't my nat'l team coach
May 08th 2012
15
           I have a tough time seeing how we'll be good in 2014
May 08th 2012
16
                the development system is being sorted by MLS
May 08th 2012
17
                     So what national team managers CAN take credit for developing youth?
May 08th 2012
20
                     ^^^^^
May 08th 2012
24
                     exactly right -- it's not the NT's manager's job to develop youth
May 08th 2012
26
                     I'm actually ready to give Reyna a lot of the credit for that...
May 08th 2012
23
                     this really is stupid though...
May 08th 2012
25
u seem mad
May 08th 2012
19
Furious, even.
May 08th 2012
21
US Soccer heads(not named celery), what do you think of the Bundesliga.....
May 11th 2012
27
just field the strongest team within FIFA regulations
May 11th 2012
28
the only way we'll every make noise with "american-born" talent is...
May 11th 2012
29
      lolwut
May 11th 2012
30
           RE: lolwut
May 11th 2012
31
           competitive(club) soccer definately
Oct 18th 2012
42
Bundesliga is solid (but Bob Bradley was targeting the same guys)
Sep 11th 2012
33
welcome to the party, mainstream media! (Klinsi-truther swipe)
Sep 11th 2012
32
this article is a bit reactionary.
Sep 11th 2012
34
      pointing out use of recycled tactics by our "visionary" = reactionary?
Sep 11th 2012
35
11 Gs, 6 GA in WCQ, never had less than 13, more than 3 in last 3 WCQs
Oct 18th 2012
36
all I'm saying is
Oct 18th 2012
37
      Sigi deserves a look as well.
Oct 18th 2012
38
      Sigi's a one-dimensional direct play coach, he can kiss my ass
Oct 18th 2012
40
      At what? A Spanx collection?
Oct 18th 2012
41
      couldn't be more thrilled to have a ticket, couldn't be more unsure
Oct 18th 2012
39
Klinsi: "I was a euro-snob elitist prick. I regret the error." (swipe)
Jan 28th 2013
43
OMAR COMING
Jan 28th 2013
44
*whistles proudly* (and HOLY SHIT @ that avy lmao!)
Jan 28th 2013
45
So where do we think MLS rates nowadays?
Jan 28th 2013
46
the best MLS teams would compete for promotion to EPL imo
Jan 28th 2013
47
      That's a bold statement.
Jan 28th 2013
48
           is it? how many EPL teams could Robbie Keane start for right today?
Jan 28th 2013
49
                Well, the question isn't whether the best US players are EPL quality.
Jan 28th 2013
50
                     MLS rosters = 30 players now so the starting XI is usually pretty solid
Jan 28th 2013
51
                          We need an Anglo-American Cup.
Jan 28th 2013
53
summary: in America we have a ton of mediocre interchangeable players
Jan 28th 2013
52
"In conversation after conversation, the same themes emerged" (swipe)
Mar 19th 2013
54
who would you bring in at this point?
Mar 19th 2013
55
      Klinsmann gets this cycle to fail, then hire either Kinnear or Kreis
Mar 19th 2013
56
           not Kreis. Kinnear, yes.
Mar 20th 2013
57
           I see you protecting your coach
Mar 20th 2013
58
                Porter could stand to get a single MLS victory first
Mar 20th 2013
59
                     ;)
Mar 20th 2013
60
Don Garber: Klinsmann's treatment of Landon was "inexcusable"
Oct 15th 2014
61
Don Garber is a fucking CLOWN and this is pathetic
Oct 15th 2014
62
if the current Kaiser of US Soccer doesn't give a shit, thats concerning
Oct 15th 2014
64
he doesn't give a shit, because his survival is about one thing
Oct 16th 2014
80
i'm saying...
Oct 16th 2014
74
      Gus Hiddink said Eredivisie's structure is bad, players were hurt by it?
Oct 16th 2014
75
           pretty much every league i know has a weird relation w/ their NT
Oct 16th 2014
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           which is completely natural, and predictable...
Oct 16th 2014
79
           there's "weird," and there's openly hostile
Oct 16th 2014
84
           national teams' coaches bitch about leagues & clubs all the time + vice ...
Oct 16th 2014
77
           wait wait wait... "SOMEHOW INFERIOR" !??
Oct 16th 2014
81
                a team full of MLS stars did better than a team of EPL stars at the WC
Oct 16th 2014
83
Jurgen's response will be a wanking motion w his hand
Oct 15th 2014
63
same tactical team talk he gave prior to facing Germany
Oct 15th 2014
65
      same thing landy was doing while Dempsey scored in his 3rd straight WC
Oct 15th 2014
68
           a blessing for Clint he had the league St. Landon built to prep for it
Oct 15th 2014
69
                LOL you on your O_E today huh?
Oct 15th 2014
70
                     Soccer Don drew those battle lines, I've BEEN ready #TeamSoccer
Oct 15th 2014
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                          no I mean lying
Oct 16th 2014
78
What a waste of time
Oct 15th 2014
66
uhhhh, I think you meant best US Soccer beef since Harkes + Wynalda
Oct 15th 2014
67
lol Garber a ho for that.
Oct 15th 2014
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i'm riding with you & garber on this one
Oct 16th 2014
73
still have no problem leaving him off, but Klinsy needs to shut up
Oct 16th 2014
82
      dude used LD's send-off presser to say LD's career was a disappointment
Oct 16th 2014
85
           Let's talk about Landon's awkward departure
Oct 16th 2014
87
                Donovan didn't want the testimonial, Sunil Gulati was the one who pushed
Oct 16th 2014
90
                     Funny how the word "no" works when it's convenient for Landy
Oct 17th 2014
95
Lost in the mix is JK's call for MLS to adopt promotion/relegation
Oct 16th 2014
86
yep. they should have relegation.
Oct 16th 2014
88
it's not lost, just easily dismissed for the naive euro-snobbery it is
Oct 16th 2014
89
The Crux of this: Don/You care about the LEAGUE
Oct 16th 2014
91
      USA performed better than England in the last two World Cups
Oct 16th 2014
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           b/c england is the only country that uses promotion/relegation.
Oct 17th 2014
93
                b/c pro/rel is credited as the driving force in Germany's WC win
Oct 17th 2014
94
I'm not sure promotion/relegation elevates the level of play in a league
Oct 17th 2014
96
      it's Ayn Randian nonsense, as real as the Fountainhead
Oct 17th 2014
97
MLS owners tell Klinsi to keep his hand out of their pockets (link)
Nov 14th 2014
98
here's the stupidity of this whole thing: NO ONE IS IN THE WRONG.
Nov 14th 2014
99
if Klinsmann is using call-ups to steer players to euro agents...
Nov 14th 2014
103
don't clubs the world over run the risk of losing out on their own youth
Nov 14th 2014
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no, MLS doesn't get compensation when their youth leaves
Nov 14th 2014
101
      who cares. that's the breaks.
Nov 14th 2014
102
           the guys paying Klinsi's checks, staffing his starting XI care
Nov 14th 2014
104
I like "euro-snob" as a verb.
Nov 14th 2014
105
former USMNT fitness coach tells the truth on Klinsi: he sucks (link)
Feb 06th 2015
106
That fitness issue feels like a smokescreen
Feb 06th 2015
107
not exactly unbiased observer there
Feb 06th 2015
108
true, 3 WCs, 2 HCs experience with the USMNT would bias a person
Feb 06th 2015
109
      youre swinging elbows at me like I give a fuck
Feb 06th 2015
110
           it's not just hammies, it's also the claim US lacks a fitness culture
Feb 06th 2015
111
None of this will matter come sunday when Jurgy starts Lee at the 10
Feb 06th 2015
112
thoroughly enjoyed this Opta stat breakdown showing USMNT's regression:
Mar 26th 2015
113
Last USA loss to a Caribbean team on US soil: 1968
Jul 22nd 2015
114
second ever lost to Jamaica ........... the first being in 2012 WCQ
Jul 22nd 2015
115
Solving the Jurgen Klinsmann Problem (swipe)
Aug 01st 2015
116
There's a lot of stupidity here
Aug 03rd 2015
118
      who should replace him is tough to answer right now
Aug 04th 2015
119
           fabian is the best player in the pool right now
Aug 04th 2015
120
Fuck it, I hope he resigns and goes to Ghana or Nigeria.
Aug 01st 2015
117
Fabian Johnson given "harsh words", sent home from USMNT following MX L
Oct 12th 2015
121
oh look, now Gladbach say they are treating Fabian for a thigh injury
Oct 13th 2015
122
...
Mar 25th 2016
123
yeah, I was waiting for you to up this.
Mar 25th 2016
124
two sloppy/bad goals conceded, but USA attack was utterly aimless
Mar 25th 2016
125
USMNT completed 59% of passes in attacking 3rd, worst since data existed
Mar 25th 2016
126
...
Nov 11th 2016
127
Klinnsy made America great again
Nov 12th 2016
128
4-0. Wow. Feels like they gave up tonight.
Nov 15th 2016
129
how flattering for Jurgen to be compared to Mourinho's Chelsea
Nov 16th 2016
134
Arena back?
Nov 16th 2016
130
Anyone else
Nov 16th 2016
131
      I'll always have a soft spot for him.
Nov 16th 2016
132
      what's wrong with Arena (if he doesn't go past Russia)?
Nov 16th 2016
133
           he looks like a neanderthal?
Nov 16th 2016
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           a funny, lovable neanderthal -- sure
Nov 16th 2016
136
           Same as most managers. He plays favorites.
Nov 16th 2016
137
           and I'm pretty sure Josh Wolff is on his coaching staff now
Nov 16th 2016
139
                release the Nguyen for the win
Nov 16th 2016
141
           i meant anyjuan else besides klinsy. arenas is fine
Nov 18th 2016
144
Time left on his contract, has to be cheap enough to fire now
Nov 16th 2016
138
hey, celery was right all along * tips cap *
Nov 16th 2016
140
yyyyyep.
Nov 21st 2016
148
*shrugs* he did his job in Brazil, although I'm thrilled to be moving on...
Nov 21st 2016
151
Also, post 13.
Nov 16th 2016
142
For those who follow more closely - What shld the starting XI be?
Nov 18th 2016
143
honestly hard to say with the lack of consistent formation + pairings
Nov 21st 2016
150
      Well what formation would you play, in that case?
Nov 22nd 2016
158
      Would a Conte-style 3-4-3/3-5-2 work?
Nov 22nd 2016
159
           I'm biased from watching a lot of Caleb Porter, but I like the 4-2-3-1
Nov 22nd 2016
160
he gone!
Nov 21st 2016
145
http://tinyurl.com/zl6oo7n
Nov 21st 2016
147
      Landon for coach
Nov 21st 2016
149
           nah, B -- LANDON FOR PLAYER/COACH??!!
Nov 21st 2016
152
archive
Nov 21st 2016
146
first good thing to come out of Trump's America btw
Nov 21st 2016
153
FUN FACT: Klinsi was 9-1-1 in official comps in which St. Landon played
Nov 21st 2016
154
This team sucks ass regardless of who's coaching
Nov 21st 2016
155
define "team"
Nov 22nd 2016
156
There's hope with a coach that has a plan and knows what he's doing
Nov 22nd 2016
157
      RE: There's hope with a coach that has a plan and knows what he's doing
Nov 22nd 2016
161
           and Klinsi was making us 3rd tier -- 4th place at the Gold Cup??
Nov 22nd 2016
162
                yes
Nov 22nd 2016
164
fired Marty and hired Norv. i root for the US, but i'm not hopeful
Nov 22nd 2016
163
+ they called Bruce a racist cuz he said they didn't play for the shirt
Mar 24th 2017
165
let the record show I posted this shit during half time
Mar 24th 2017
166
remember when Klinsi said we would play attacking soccer?
Mar 24th 2017
167
      *dabs*
Mar 24th 2017
168
far be it for me to begrudge a victory lap, but
Mar 25th 2017
169
      Yep.
Mar 25th 2017
170
      country over agenda?
Mar 25th 2017
171
      first real game post-Klinsi going 6-0 felt like a fitting coda
Mar 25th 2017
172
How'd the Panama game go?
Mar 28th 2017
173
These MLS goofballs have bricks for feet. Just laughable first touches*
Mar 29th 2017
174
      MLS guys scored the game winning goals for Honduras + Panama
Oct 10th 2017
176
           lolz
Oct 10th 2017
183
what a disgrace.
Oct 10th 2017
175
much deserved
Oct 10th 2017
177
Gut the program. Burn it all. Get every bit of rot out. US Soccer 2.0 be...
Oct 10th 2017
178
agree. Gulati gotta go. Bradley is no longer first choice. RIP Clint.
Oct 10th 2017
181
if a player is under 30 and good enough to play overseas
Oct 10th 2017
182
usa soccer dividing by zero
Oct 10th 2017
179
holy.
Oct 10th 2017
180
Klinsi was worth eleventy grillion Bruce Arenas, that's for fucking sure
Oct 10th 2017
184
at the very least he was trying to get creative with the program.
Oct 10th 2017
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