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How Will Chris Paul and James Harden Fit Together?
There’s only one ball!

Pairing Chris Paul with James Harden seems awkward at first glance, but maybe those guys know something we don’t. The Clippers are sending Paul to the Rockets for a seven-player package that includes Patrick Beverley, Sam Dekker, Lou Williams, and a 2018 first-round pick. “Chris Paul and James Harden were determined to play together,” Adrian Wojnarowski reported Wednesday, “and found a way with the Rockets-Clippers trade agreed upon today.”

Paul and Harden are two of the most ball-dominant guards in the game. Harden possessed the ball for 8.9 minutes per game last season, which led the NBA, per SportVU. Paul ranked seventh, at 7.2 minutes. Is there enough ball to go around for the Beard and the Point God?

Yes, though you wouldn’t know it if you’ve watched CP3 over his career. He has been the sole orchestrator since high school, through college at Wake Forest, and at both his NBA stops in New Orleans and Los Angeles. Even while playing alongside one of the most talented playmaking bigs of this century, Blake Griffin, there were often chemistry issues stemming from how much Paul wanted the ball.

But that wasn’t exactly Paul’s fault. The blame should largely fall on Clippers coach Doc Rivers, who, year after year, failed to stagger Paul’s and Griffin’s minutes, which meant they almost always shared the floor. Houston coach Mike D’Antoni always staggers minutes. With Harden and Paul, he can have at least one of the NBA’s elite playmakers on the floor for the entire game. Last season, Beverley and Eric Gordon played only two-thirds of their minutes with Harden. Beverley went from averaging 2.7 assists per 36 minutes while sharing the floor with Harden, to 8.8 assists per 36 when Harden was off the floor, while Gordon went from 15.6 points per 36 to 24.9 points per 36, respectively.

D’Antoni turned Gordon and Beverley into feature players when they played without Harden. The same idea applies to Paul. He and Harden don’t need to share the floor. Paul can be as dominant as he’s always been when he plays without Harden, and the Beard can play like he has the past few years with the Rockets. D’Antoni’s offense could unleash Paul 2.0, in the same way Harden reached a higher level this past season.

There will be growing pains, especially early in the 2017–18 season. But Harden willingly and successfully took on a supporting role with the Thunder when he was the third wheel behind Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook. It’s not out of the question for him to relinquish some control to Paul. That both players wanted to join forces is a sign that they’re committed to doing what’s best for the team. Paul is in a new situation, one that will still feature him for some portion of the game. It’s reasonable to assume that he’ll view playing off the ball alongside Harden as an opportunity to get easier scoring chances than he’s ever dreamed of having. This was one of the draws of Golden State for Kevin Durant.

And don’t expect the Rockets to stop playing Moreyball. Harden and Paul are both knockdown spot-up 3-point shooters. Regardless of who’s handling the ball, the other can be a floor spacer who will significantly strain the defense. Over the past four years, Harden shot 39.5 percent on 886 catch-and-shoot 3-pointers, while Paul shot 43.9 percent on 330 attempts, per SportVU. Those guys are capable of draining 3s off the catch and off of screens, or they can attack a closeout and make a play off the bounce. Houston’s offense was intoxicating last year; just imagine the possibilities now. D’Antoni must feel like he’s dreaming.

Losing Beverley will hurt Houston’s defense, but Paul is no slouch — he was also just named first-team All-Defense. Even at the age of 32, he’s still an elite defender who grinds, night in and night out. Maybe by relinquishing some of his offensive workload, he’ll be able to be even more impactful on the defensive end. The same goes for Harden, who people seem to forget was a reliable defender early in his career in Oklahoma City, and in college at Arizona State.

So what’s next? Because with Morey, there’s always a “next.” Stephen A. Smith reported that if Carmelo Anthony is bought out he will be pursued by the Rockets. But to do that, Houston will need to move Ryan Anderson’s $19.6 million contract. Trading away Anderson, or even dealing him as part of a package for Melo, could be a realistic next step for the team to add another star presence in its quest to take down the Warriors. Brian Windhorst also reports that the Rockets are chasing Paul George, though finding a practical trade package for the Pacers star would be difficult.

Houston also acquired DeAndre Liggins, Tim Quarterman, and Ryan Kelly to include in the Paul trade, which suggests that the Rockets will not go under the cap to absorb Paul’s contract and will retain the use of their full $8.4 million midlevel exception. These moves suggest that names could be added to the Paul trade to make it work financially. The benefit of going over the cap to do it would be having the flexibility to chase other free agents with their exception.

By being traded, Paul retains his eligibility to sign a designated-player veteran extension worth five years and roughly $205 million. Once he inks that deal, the Rockets are locked in. Morey said he had something up his sleeve. That is quite a sleeve he’s got. There’s a superteam arms race happening in the NBA, and it’s not even July yet.

https://theringer.com/chris-paul-james-harden-fit-houston-rockets-a13a944b7b6b

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CPFlea to H-town [View all] , ShawndmeSlanted, Wed Jun-28-17 10:44 AM
 
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the fit thing is being overstated imo.
Jun 28th 2017
1
you have 2 guys will totally have to change their style of play...
Jun 28th 2017
6
i agree with the 1st part of what youre saying
Jun 28th 2017
9
      "inside presence" just doesn't mean offensively, there are other areas.....
Jun 28th 2017
17
           uhhhhhhhhhhhh
Jun 28th 2017
25
           So Capela is better than the DPOY?
Jun 28th 2017
32
                DPOY = an award for inside presence?
Jun 28th 2017
42
                     just stop
Jun 28th 2017
48
                          LMAO you didnt even know who capela was
Jun 28th 2017
58
                               I know who he is, he's not the same defensive presence as Draymond...
Jun 28th 2017
72
           def and reb? HAVE YOU EVER I MEAN EVER SEEN CAPELA PLAY?
Jun 28th 2017
67
                capela, right today:
Dec 08th 2017
168
                lmao, can't believe i missed this one
May 09th 2018
180
Right, it's a lazy trope
Jun 28th 2017
28
      disagree
Jun 28th 2017
40
           And both have tired out in the playoffs
Jun 28th 2017
46
Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.
Jun 28th 2017
2
not that I believed we had a shot but...GOTDAMNIT
Jun 28th 2017
3
Hoping the Wolves can still somehow get Beverly
Jun 28th 2017
4
it's lit!
Jun 28th 2017
5
I feel like every Spurs/Rockets game next year needs to be
Jun 28th 2017
7
awwwwww ......that mean King James comin babyyyyyy!!!
Jun 28th 2017
8
How? lol
Jun 28th 2017
18
      HOW-EVER NIGGA...WE IN PLAY...CRY
Jun 28th 2017
69
"Scrap it all" seems a heavy gamble for the Clipps
Jun 28th 2017
10
he was leaving anyway they had to do a sign and trade to get...
Jun 28th 2017
19
Could be an assertion by Ballmer
Jun 28th 2017
63
Don't matter. Their window is closed.
Jun 28th 2017
66
RE: "Scrap it all" seems a heavy gamble for the Clipps
Jun 28th 2017
85
Doesn't get them any closer to the Warriors
Jun 28th 2017
11
There's no move anyone could make that will make a team
Jun 28th 2017
15
      I would say almost anything would be better than this
Jun 28th 2017
20
Hi, Blake...welcome to OKC
Jun 28th 2017
12
you would think, I wonder how DJ feels in all this, they locked him...
Jun 28th 2017
23
lulz...right.
Jun 28th 2017
30
He probably happy he'll finally get his touches.
Jun 28th 2017
59
A one-person banana boat is a lonely place to be
Jun 28th 2017
77
Moral of the story
Jun 28th 2017
98
      Your response and your sig synced up nicely there
Jun 28th 2017
107
Harden and CP3 is gonna be all kinds of weird. Not sure how that works.
Jun 28th 2017
13
yup. talent over fit all day.
Jun 28th 2017
16
This isn't that lol...
Jun 28th 2017
27
      you're actually right, but not for the reason you think...
Jun 28th 2017
145
           both Bron and Wade were still in their primes and great defensive...
Jun 28th 2017
146
                what are you talking about, dude?
Jun 28th 2017
147
                     I'm talking about real basketball as opposed to 2K...
Jun 28th 2017
149
Harden was clamoring for it, so I guess it'll be ok
Jun 28th 2017
29
they overthinking it, dogg.
Jun 28th 2017
34
      RE: they overthinking it, dogg.
Jun 28th 2017
39
      paul's a better defender than beverley too.
Jun 28th 2017
45
           okayplayer.
Jun 28th 2017
50
                RE: okayplayer.
Jun 28th 2017
100
                     post #78
Jun 28th 2017
102
      Remember when GS's lack of depth would preclude them from a ring?
Jun 28th 2017
49
           same shitty 'analysis' and remicrowaved takes, year in and year out.
Jun 28th 2017
62
           Right, a team built like the Warriors could never win a championship
Jun 28th 2017
95
           But was that "lack of depth" talk ever a serious thing for the Dubs?
Jun 28th 2017
104
                Do a quick OKS search for "trash ass bench"
Jun 28th 2017
114
It works bc both can play PnR and spot-up shoot
Jun 28th 2017
144
so Steph just gonna rinse CP3 but he'll be wearing "Rockets" instead.
Jun 28th 2017
14
Wanted the Spurs to get him... dammit.
Jun 28th 2017
21
CP3 probably wanted a sign and trade so he could re-up for the...
Jun 28th 2017
31
Me too
Jun 28th 2017
135
LOL!..
Jun 28th 2017
22
Still not making a conference finals.
Jun 28th 2017
24
Please make DeAndre to the Bucks possible
Jun 28th 2017
26
They'll fit together fine, ppl are overreacting
Jun 28th 2017
33
here's your 3rd lol
Jun 28th 2017
36
      RE: here's your 3rd lol
Jun 28th 2017
41
      RE: If I wanted to get a buyout to go to Cleveland
Jun 28th 2017
74
      That'd be interesting but IMO he'd be better off in CLE
Jun 28th 2017
43
Hope dude can stay healthy.
Jun 28th 2017
35
Lmao @ all the salty haters. MOREY DA GOD
Jun 28th 2017
37
wait...what?
Jun 28th 2017
44
Lmao at CP3 being a defensive downgrade
Jun 28th 2017
57
P-Bev made all-defense on merit, CP3 is making on rep at this point...
Jun 28th 2017
78
RE: wait...what?
Jun 28th 2017
103
Morey makes this move 100/100 times but
Jun 28th 2017
52
Define "work"
Jun 28th 2017
54
      so repeat what they did last year?
Jun 28th 2017
55
           LOL right
Jun 28th 2017
56
           You think they were doing that again without Paul?
Jun 28th 2017
61
                I do.
Jun 28th 2017
70
                I still don't think this moves them past the Spurs.
Jun 28th 2017
79
Hyperbolic, but accurate.
Jun 28th 2017
71
Both are great play-makers and spot-up shooters
Jun 28th 2017
38
not enough
Jun 28th 2017
47
Nope
Jun 28th 2017
51
Nope
Jun 28th 2017
53
I can't see how Banana Boat team ever comes together now
Jun 28th 2017
60
Two ain't never gonna win shit losers on the same team. Huzzah.
Jun 28th 2017
64
^^^Gets in this line.
Jun 28th 2017
68
ultimately this.
Jun 28th 2017
80
yep
Jun 28th 2017
83
LOL yup
Jun 28th 2017
99
I'll surf the hate wave. Let's friggin go, Rockets
Jun 28th 2017
65
they bout to get PG too btw. morey is a warlock.
Jun 28th 2017
73
Lulz. How?
Jun 28th 2017
75
sorcery.
Jun 28th 2017
76
let's hope so.
Jun 28th 2017
90
cool. still aint beating GSW.
Jun 28th 2017
94
who gives AF tho? nobody's beating the dubs for the next few years.
Jun 28th 2017
152
Of course he is going after PG - he should be
Jun 28th 2017
118
Is Chris still considered a top point guard in the league?
Jun 28th 2017
81
lulz!!!
Jun 28th 2017
82
barely
Jun 28th 2017
84
reading the post above it, then this one, says so much
Jun 28th 2017
142
Well, Deron Williams isn't, and DERON BETTER, so . . .
Jun 28th 2017
87
^^^logical accuracy^^^
Jun 28th 2017
88
Everything about this reply exhibits the absolute best of OKS.
Jun 28th 2017
106
Finals Deron was turrible
Jun 28th 2017
108
      so was Finals CP3....oh....wait....hmmmmm.
Jun 28th 2017
112
      lol
Jun 28th 2017
122
      this guy is a back up..AT BEST...
Jun 28th 2017
119
yes....he's as good as he ever was
Jun 28th 2017
92
This past season? Sure. But he's right on the edge of a potential...
Jun 28th 2017
105
      Pretty much how I see it.
Jun 28th 2017
109
      It's win-now and also trying to extend his career
Jun 28th 2017
127
word is this is pt 1 of logo's consultation
Jun 28th 2017
86
now that this has happened...
Jun 28th 2017
89
has anybody seen anything about CP3's contract details?
Jun 28th 2017
91
one year opt-in @ $24.2, UFA in '18.
Jun 28th 2017
93
interesting, big gamble on his part at this point in his career...
Jun 28th 2017
101
like this:
Jun 28th 2017
97
Holy....
Jun 28th 2017
96
I feel like tail-end of his prime CP and Harden will be a horrible...
Jun 28th 2017
110
Anybody willing to say they make it out the 2nd Round this year?
Jun 28th 2017
111
They're, probably, at worst the 3rd seed in the West
Jun 28th 2017
113
Don't count OKC out just yet
Jun 28th 2017
116
      I mean, what are they going to do?
Jun 28th 2017
117
           OKC is one of the younger teams in the league, they could just get...
Jun 28th 2017
128
nope!
Jun 28th 2017
115
Milsap comin....PG comin...erybody comin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...
Jun 28th 2017
120
Doc + Austin fault (swipe)
Jun 28th 2017
121
family first.
Jun 28th 2017
123
Lmao!.. Oh boy.
Jun 28th 2017
125
lulz
Jun 28th 2017
126
fake news lol, if true that Doc turned that deal he needs to be fired
Jun 28th 2017
129
^^^ ThaTrump
Jun 28th 2017
132
Doc Good Dad Rivers out here fuckin up
Jun 28th 2017
131
Maybe Doc gets upset when his PG can't get him out of the 2nd round
Jun 28th 2017
136
2nd round? Hmmm
Jun 28th 2017
137
      SAME 'TENSITY!
Jun 28th 2017
138
      Valid. Same with John too. He's not at the tail end though. Or "Da Point...
Jun 28th 2017
141
           john gets tired like he's at the tail end though.
Jun 28th 2017
143
           And the Knicks have been tired since 1st quarter of Game 1.
Jun 28th 2017
150
                were they tired when you were a knicks fan?
Jun 28th 2017
153
                     In 1989? Yeah from what I remember, but I was also 10...
Jun 29th 2017
154
                          of course you could.
Jun 29th 2017
159
                               lol
Jun 29th 2017
161
                               yeah, he got that off.
Jun 29th 2017
162
                               Nope I turned 11. And recognized a sinking ship.
Jun 29th 2017
164
                                    good grief, you're actually bragging about being a front-runner?
Jun 30th 2017
165
           I don't personally blame either of them, for the most part
Jun 29th 2017
160
Lame. Michael Eaves is trying to make a name at ESPN
Jun 29th 2017
156
didn't CP3 "clash" with Byron Scott too? I'm seeing a pattern...
Jun 29th 2017
163
yeah we'll see lol
Jun 28th 2017
130
remember when Analytics(tm) hated the midrange shot?
Jun 28th 2017
133
should have gone to San Antonio
Jun 28th 2017
134
*eyes up Survivor Draft Lottery*
Jun 28th 2017
139
Let me see which posters agree and disagree with the move.
Jun 28th 2017
140
interesting...
May 10th 2019
184
I was right on the money about the Loser Twins in #64
May 10th 2019
185
CP wanted to play with The Great Trevor "Better than Rudy" Ariza
Jun 28th 2017
148
more on the fit (nba.com swipe)
Jun 28th 2017
151
I don't care about this move, it'll just allow Houston to run in place
Jun 29th 2017
155
actually by opting in for his final year he gave up money, I doubt if...
Jun 29th 2017
158
This is not going to work. Harden is gonna drive CP3 crazy
Jun 29th 2017
157
Right.. CP3 is notorious for being a hard ass with other teammates
Jun 30th 2017
166
      Yep, it definitely will be interesting lol...
Jun 30th 2017
167
since his return: 13-0 with the #1 offense and #3 defense
Dec 17th 2017
169
the wrongness in the whole thread is HIGH COMEDY!
Dec 18th 2017
170
Would they have been better or worse with Carmelo?
Dec 18th 2017
171
Hard to know, though probably worse since Anderson
Dec 18th 2017
172
nice.
Dec 18th 2017
175
yeah i've had that convo a couple times.
Dec 18th 2017
173
      right...he didn't fit under d'antoni b4, not sure why they thought he wo...
Dec 18th 2017
174
:-)
May 08th 2018
176
lmao. wow.
May 09th 2018
177
damn the Ultimate Worriers showed out in this poast.
May 09th 2018
178
Come again?
May 11th 2019
186
LMAO niggas in here sayin CP3 and Harden wont work..yaddaa yadda
May 09th 2018
179
He’s a free agent does he get a max deal?
May 28th 2018
181
RE: He’s a free agent does he get a max deal?
May 28th 2018
182
Can't count on him in the playoffs
May 30th 2018
183
The Houston Rockets Are Reportedly Willing to Trade Chris Paul
May 29th 2019
187
$38M, $41M and $44M through 2022
May 29th 2019
188
would Charlotte take him to replace Kemba?
May 29th 2019
189
      may as well. they need to tank out the next 3-5 years
May 30th 2019
191
Watch him end up on the Lakers lol
May 30th 2019
190
      absolutely zero chance.
May 30th 2019
192
      Zero? Let's hope.
May 30th 2019
193
      Banana Boat Crew!
May 30th 2019
194
      I can see this happening.
May 30th 2019
195
      8 years later, lol, I hope not
May 30th 2019
196
      I mean, same...but have you seen SMART management happening?
May 30th 2019
197
           I;m having bad memories of the Steve Nash acquisition
May 30th 2019
199
      Honestly, how would that work?
May 30th 2019
198
           right, hopefully it won't lol...
May 30th 2019
200
           it doesnt
May 30th 2019
201
           Can't the Lakers absorb a ton of contract?
May 30th 2019
202

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