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43. "RE: Haven't googled it yet..."
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You're maybe a little fuzzy, he was an assistant in Hartford then he coached a year in Buffalo. In his second season with the Sabres, he won the Jack Adams Trophy and they did OK in the playoffs (got eliminated in the conference semis). A lot of the beef was on record. Hasek came out and said he would prefer Nolan be replaced. There was tension between the management and Nolan all along, but a bunch of bullshit with Hasek in the playoffs is what I think sealed his fate. Hasek had a wonky knee and was doing some self-diagnosing maybe. The big thing was he went out in the first round and Steve Shields came in and saved the series against the Sabres. A bunch of shit happened, Hasek got into with a local reporter, he got suspended, the whole thing was somewhat of an embarrassment for Hasek and he probably deserved to be embarrassed.

Nolan got offers coming off that, he got at least one assistant's offer with the Isles and a head coaching offer from Tampa but he didn't take any of them. After that he got nothing for several years, I don't know, seven or eight seasons. That said, he was having some success elsewhere, I know he was in the Memorial Cup final with Moncton one year and they did well while he coached them.


>No doubt he faced racism coming up though. Natives always did
>back then. I'm sure it's still there but hockey is way more
>diverse now in Canada.
>
>I didn't know he had turned down jobs. I remember hearing
>chatter at work that he had basically done something REALLY
>offsides (involving racial accusations) with Sabres management
>and was blacklisted from ever working in the nhl again. I had
>guessed that enough time had elapsed for him to make a return.
> It always confused me that the scandal was never made
>public....it's usually alot tuffer to keep that kind of
>secret.

nah he for sure got an offer from the lightning. there was just a stretch in there nothing came down the pipeline for him. his rebound now came from working with rochester, that got him back in with the sabres organization.

>In any case, my whole memory of it might be mistaken.
>
>Edit....ok, I googled it. My memory is really bad. I think
>the 'race card' thing was a part of the shitty contract he was
>offered by the Sabres. I think he said something about his
>race being a factor in their low-ball offer...and that raised
>the eyebrows of GMs around the league...possibly hurting his
>rep a bit.

i dont know if race played a factor but the offer they gave him was the offer you give a coach you don't want to keep but you don't want to reject outright for publicity reasons. sort of like what the yankees did with joe torre, just on a much smaller scale. they offered him something like 400,000 bucks and it was only a one-year deal, that was probably what he (rightfully) found insulting.

>I'm gonna make some sweeping generalizations here.....I
>wouldn't say that players are necessarily intolerant of
>minorities....but there's also a specific culture that you're
>expected to assimilate too. I think it manifests in something
>like 'it's ok to be a minority as long as you act and talk
>like a white guy'. Basically, don't be different from
>everyone else. Which obviously is NOT a policy of diversity.
>It's moreso a reluctant and conditional acceptance based on
>assimilation. I think that's part of what Evander Kane is
>going through to an extent. Perhaps Ray Emery as well. From
>the sounds of it...Nolan too. You're expected to keep your
>mouth shut and not draw attention to yourself. Those two guys
>aren't as willing to do that as some of the other minorities
>past and present. It might make for a good article. And I
>would bet that alot of players wouldn't really want to comment
>on it which kind of proves my point. Kane took some heat when
>he made those comments. I thought it took some guts to say
>that cause I'm sure he's aware there's a chance that it burns
>him amongst gms and other players.

Hmmm, I think there is some of that but I'm not really versed in Canadian culture to figure it out and there aren't too too many non-Canadian black guys in the league. I don't know Kane too well but it seems like you might be onto something there. Emery I know well. He is a very strange guy, I think he has caught a little extra shit because he's black but he's had various issues that I think would have affected any player's reputation.

It is very tough to write about because the culture has its company lines on diversity and that is what you're going to hear. You definitely won't hear anything thoughtful or interesting from non-minority players on the topic it seems. Some guys around the league had thoughtful things to contribute who actually were black, guys like Chris Stewart and Kevin Weekes, but you wind up with the same voices all the time. I feel like it's an issue that the establishment feels like it can deal with where it pops up and that's that. That's why they come down on hard on overt incidents of racism, like that bullshit with the Beezer and Trevor Daley.

>When you think about it...hockey is unique in that aspect.
>Assuming that my assertion is true....I can't think of another
>sport where the dynamic is that way.

Well I mean I think all sports have faced integrating minorities, foreign-born players, etc, but most of them have been in a predominantly U.S. context. Hockey is different to me because the paradigm of race is a little different in Canada, which is still the center of the sport's universe.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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OLYMPIC HOCKEY - Elimination/Medal Round [View all] , cgonz00cc, Wed Feb-19-14 08:43 AM
 
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adios ruskies
Feb 19th 2014
1
LOL RUSSIA LOL.
Feb 19th 2014
2
Damn Russias coach calls out Ovi personally
Feb 19th 2014
3
Ovechkin has turned into a bit of a floater
Feb 19th 2014
4
ovie's last goal in an elimination game was in 2009
Feb 19th 2014
5
If hockey was as popular as basketball or football...
Feb 19th 2014
6
      Crosby still a bitch though...
Feb 19th 2014
7
      agreed 100%
Feb 19th 2014
8
      Absolutely true
Feb 19th 2014
9
      you just have to plug into canadian media, that's all
Feb 19th 2014
15
      Yea...
Feb 20th 2014
25
      That's the thing about narratives
Feb 20th 2014
29
           LOL like clockwork
Feb 20th 2014
31
           Surprised it took a day
Feb 20th 2014
33
           That's the thing with results
Feb 20th 2014
34
I assume he has an explanation for Malkin.
Feb 20th 2014
27
      He was busy coaching I guess?
Feb 20th 2014
45
Uh.....Latvia?
Feb 19th 2014
10
Ted Nolan is the Nolan Richardson of international hockey
Feb 19th 2014
17
      It's really hard to get the scoop on his story.....
Feb 19th 2014
21
           I've heard that rumor but it doesn't seem like him
Feb 19th 2014
22
                Haven't googled it yet...
Feb 19th 2014
23
                    
We're all getting what we wanted...
Feb 19th 2014
11
Not sure how intense a 5-1 Canadian win's gonna be.
Feb 19th 2014
14
I wouldnt say Sweden cruised
Feb 19th 2014
12
Probly the story of the tournament so far.
Feb 19th 2014
13
they played inspired but they were desperately undermanned
Feb 19th 2014
16
      7 ice rinks
Feb 19th 2014
19
           yeah i mean they were not going to let him beat them, period
Feb 19th 2014
20
I think Finland has to feel the best about what happened today
Feb 19th 2014
18
I hear ya
Feb 20th 2014
24
      RE: I hear ya
Feb 20th 2014
44
           That's what everyone's saying here.
Feb 20th 2014
63
Tavares likely out for rest of NHL season
Feb 20th 2014
26
Wasn't Zetterberg already banged up?
Feb 20th 2014
28
RE: Wasn't Zetterberg already banged up?
Feb 20th 2014
54
      The players want it and the IIHF can put the screws to the NHL
Feb 20th 2014
60
           I think Bettman would lose the brinkmanship.
Feb 20th 2014
61
Kessler's hurt???
Feb 20th 2014
55
      his hand is fucked up
Feb 20th 2014
57
           ohhh....
Feb 20th 2014
59
Is USA-Canada being shown live?
Feb 20th 2014
30
why wouldnt it? ive watched them all live up to now
Feb 20th 2014
32
am I just not seeing it?
Feb 20th 2014
36
      wait, it's listed as hockey/speedskating
Feb 20th 2014
37
           thats because coverage is in 6 hr blocks
Feb 20th 2014
39
                I was kidding about switching back and forth
Feb 20th 2014
40
                     why haven't you just gone to nhl.com??
Feb 20th 2014
41
                     I was making the mistake
Feb 20th 2014
42
                     googling "olympic hockey schedule" worked for me
Feb 20th 2014
46
                          "olympic hockey tv schedule" didn't work for me
Feb 20th 2014
48
                               lol I was being serious, not snarky
Feb 20th 2014
65
                                    no I know you were
Feb 21st 2014
83
They announced at the beginning of the tourney that all games...
Feb 20th 2014
35
Pierre sounds like a pervert calling this gold medal game...
Feb 20th 2014
38
he is really creepy calling the mens WJC every year.
Feb 20th 2014
64
USA WOMEN'S HOCKEY: EPIC CHOKERS
Feb 20th 2014
47
Seattle wins one championship and ya'll start talking loud...
Feb 20th 2014
49
Not sure what Seattle has to do w/ women's hockey...
Feb 20th 2014
50
that shit felt inevitable though.
Feb 20th 2014
51
really?
Feb 20th 2014
52
      yeah
Feb 20th 2014
56
Reminded me of Gm 6
Feb 20th 2014
53
thought i was watching leafs vs bruins all over again.
Feb 20th 2014
58
For your viewing pleasure:
Feb 20th 2014
62
Wow what a great game.
Feb 20th 2014
66
      Talking about the trip??
Feb 21st 2014
67
THIS FUCKING GOAL BETTER COUNT
Feb 21st 2014
68
that seemed to wake the swedes up
Feb 21st 2014
69
      yeah, they picked up the physical game first
Feb 21st 2014
70
           damn it kinda was over, not much pop from finland here
Feb 21st 2014
71
                felt like that PP with ~8 min left was their last gasp
Feb 21st 2014
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                     yeah it was pretty much trash
Feb 21st 2014
73
Americans transition already causing problems.
Feb 21st 2014
74
yeah man, kane had a nice one, too, textbook work by price on it
Feb 21st 2014
76
Two tactical games thus far but this game has way quicker pace
Feb 21st 2014
75
There you go
Feb 21st 2014
77
Its like watching a Kings game
Feb 21st 2014
78
16 to play in the third, awesome sequence from quick
Feb 21st 2014
79
      game could have easily been 3 or 4 to nothing
Feb 21st 2014
82
           yeah, the better team clearly won
Feb 21st 2014
85
well that's that.
Feb 21st 2014
80
yeah i was disappointed and not just by the result
Feb 23rd 2014
88
      The puck just wouldn't stay flat.
Feb 23rd 2014
89
           RE: The puck just wouldn't stay flat.
Feb 23rd 2014
92
*trashes hotel room*
Feb 21st 2014
81
Well shit.
Feb 21st 2014
84
5-0. Can't see that wasn't predictable.
Feb 22nd 2014
86
They were dead today, fucking spanked behind the bench vs Canada
Feb 23rd 2014
87
1-0 after one
Feb 23rd 2014
90
they are not a conservative team though
Feb 23rd 2014
91
tough game for berglund here
Feb 23rd 2014
93
2-0.....ice tipped west
Feb 23rd 2014
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      RE: 2-0.....ice tipped west
Feb 23rd 2014
95
           It was a secret defensive move in the 80's though.
Feb 23rd 2014
97
                IMO icing does punish the offending team
Feb 23rd 2014
99
good night gooood niiiiight goooooooooood niiiiiiiiiight (c) the bee gee...
Feb 23rd 2014
96
Cheers
Feb 23rd 2014
98
Nice to see Backstrom step up and be a leader
Feb 23rd 2014
100
don't forget about the tin man, mike green. backstrom got fucked tho
Feb 23rd 2014
102
      id be more likely to think Lubo got lucky
Feb 24th 2014
107
Canada was just too good. So much talent.
Feb 23rd 2014
101
Babcock brought it all home
Feb 23rd 2014
103
      Coaching matters.
Feb 23rd 2014
105
Good for Vlasic! Good for Marleau! But especially good for Vlasic...
Feb 23rd 2014
104
he's turned into an extremely reliable player
Feb 24th 2014
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i'm happy because hockey fans are mad
Feb 24th 2014
108
which ones?
Feb 24th 2014
109
Go back to Canada you communist.
Feb 24th 2014
110
who is mad? the best team won and selanne went out on top
Feb 24th 2014
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