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Warren Coolidge
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"Floyd wants Canelo to come down to 147 (swipe)"


  

          

told y'all so...


7 pounds...

the difference between 154 and 147...

seems like a pretty easy problem to solve...You agree on a catch weight of 150....

I've been saying that Floyd is going to figure out a way for this fight not to happen, and last week I mentioned the weight is probably going to be what he uses, but asking Canelo to come all the way down to 147...

and that's exactly what he's doing..

If I'm Canelo, we fight at 150 or we do not fight at all. Canelo doesn't need to act desperate as he is young and has plenty of fights for him on up to middleweight eventually....He can do what Floyd is refusing to do and that is search for greatness as opposed to an easy payday

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http://sports.yahoo.com/news/floyd-mayweather-wants-canelo-alvarez-fight-147-lbs-033000382.html

One of boxing's most effective legal "cheats" involves forcing your opponent to fight at a weight above or below his own comfort level.

Obviously, a fighter competing at a weight well above his natural weight will be at a decided disadvantage against someone naturally bigger and stronger.

However, more dangerous, is a smaller opponent asking his naturally larger foe to fight at an artificially small weight. Without going into a clinic on weight in boxing, a larger fighter asked to lose an unnatural amount of weight is also sacrificing energy, physical strength, and his natural recuperative powers as he dries out to make the limit.

Most recently, rumors are rampant that one of Floyd Mayweather's demands during ongoing negotiations with Saul "Canelo" Alvarez is that the 22-year-old junior middleweight champ come down to the welterweight limit in order to get the lucrative fight.

Alvarez, who now holds the WBC and WBA 154 lb. titles, last made the welterweight limit of 147 lbs. back in March of 2010 and is well-known to rehydrate up to 170 lbs. on fight night for his junior middleweight bouts.

"Floyd wants every advantage on his side," Alvarez's trainer, "Chepo" Reynoso told Boxingscene. "Among one of the things that is often being stressed is that he wants Canelo at a lower weight. Why would I make my boy sacrifice so much? We proposed an intermediate weight for things to be level for both , but he refused. Yes we want to fight, but that does not mean will get everything ."

Reynoso, of course, is absolutely correct in his assessment of the situation and in his desire to protect his fighter at all costs. Seven pounds may not seem like a lot of weight to the average person with a casual knowledge of the sport, but it's a major amount to a fighter, who is already working at the absolute lowest possible weight his body can sustain. Imagine getting down to your lowest weight, with no visible fat and everything as tight as can be-then try to cut seven pounds from that. For an athlete, what happens is that muscle mass gets cut and, with that, come all the other negative repercussions.

Unfortunately, these attempts to coerce fighters into a lower weight are not all that uncommon and they mostly take place in situations where one fighter can absolutely dictate all of the terms of a bout and the other has no choice but to follow along or lose a lucrative payday.

Mayweather arch-rival, Manny Pacquiao, has employed these weight games in the past to great success against fighters like Miguel Cotto and Antonio Margarito. Andre Ward recently destroyed light heavyweight champ, Chad Dawson, who dropped seven pounds to compete for Ward's super middleweight title.

Weight manipulation via contractual clause is a legal and effective cheat in the sport and, perhaps, one of its most dangerous practices.

Along with the loss of water weight and muscle, other bodily fluids are adversely affected by the push to lose more weight than may be healthy. Notably, fluids surrounding the brain which help absorb impact and keep the tissue healthy. A disproportionate amount of ring deaths have involved fighters who had to lose large amounts of weight in a relatively short period of time.

At 22 years of age, Canelo Alvarez could conceivably handle the weight loss with reduced chance of danger, but why should he?

For the longest time, Mayweather has spoken publicly about his desire to retire with his health intact and how he will always err on the side of safety in the ring.

Well, Alvarez should do the same and be ready and willing to walk away if the weight game continues to be part of the negotiations.

  

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Floyd wants Canelo to come down to 147 (swipe) [View all] , Warren Coolidge, Tue May-14-13 01:41 PM
 
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lol if Canelo wants the fight he'll come down
May 14th 2013
1
only a stupid floyd hater thinks anyone has negotiation pull vs floyd
May 14th 2013
2
Basically.
May 14th 2013
5
lol floyd aint gotta compromise w/ that nigga.
May 14th 2013
3
So... It was ok for Dawson to come down to meet Ward....
May 14th 2013
4
...and I see there's still no answer for this.....
May 15th 2013
77
i agree with him taking this stance Canelo came into his last fight
May 14th 2013
6
Actually it was 170
May 14th 2013
51
      172
May 14th 2013
58
this was interesting....
May 14th 2013
7
I want Cotto to be comfortable (c) floyd 2012
May 14th 2013
8
lmao damn i forgot that cotto fight was last year
May 14th 2013
9
Cotto doesn't masquerade as a welterweight coming in a
May 14th 2013
11
he knew Cotto was past his prime and damn near a shot fighter
May 14th 2013
12
so what? he want canelo at 147 and he hold the cards. DEAL!
May 14th 2013
14
the ellerbe quote:
May 14th 2013
15
this is a different fighter...he don't want him comfortable
May 14th 2013
18
Why would any fighter surrender 20+ lbs????
May 14th 2013
26
      you do realize that weight disparities on fight night are pretty
May 14th 2013
36
           You do realize 150-151 was his fight night weight right?
May 15th 2013
76
147 is not a catchweight.
May 22nd 2013
249
why should floyd cater to anyone? he's the meal ticket.
May 14th 2013
59
damn that's pretty bad
May 14th 2013
16
gettin put to sleep is pretty bad
May 14th 2013
21
      you wanna go night night basa?
May 14th 2013
22
           yeah, i go when i'm sleepy, not when get knocked out
May 14th 2013
30
                RE: yeah, i go when i'm sleepy, not when get knocked out
May 14th 2013
34
                     who cares?
May 14th 2013
35
                          maybe you?
May 14th 2013
37
                               aight...you got it. i dunno what you're doing. bye.
May 14th 2013
38
                                    RE: aight...you got it. i dunno what you're doing. bye.
May 14th 2013
39
                                    oh see I didn't think you could be talking about manny
May 14th 2013
41
                                    still don't know what you meant in #21. but k bye
May 14th 2013
40
Cotto earned that
May 14th 2013
19
lolol...he earned it by being past his prime and close to retirement
May 14th 2013
20
lol
May 14th 2013
24
Cotto wouldn't face Floyd at 140...played games at 147 and...
May 14th 2013
23
      canelo came into his last fight at 165
May 14th 2013
25
           There were other reports that said different...even so...
May 14th 2013
27
let me reiterate....
May 14th 2013
10
and theres no health concerns from taking blows from someone 20+
May 14th 2013
28
for arguably the best defensive boxer of all time??? no..not so much
May 14th 2013
      lmaoo
May 14th 2013
32
      Warren staaaaaaaaahp.
May 14th 2013
33
      give it a rest. you need help
May 14th 2013
55
*LOL* wrestlers, MMA fighters cut weight all of the time.
May 16th 2013
114
Paper Champ n/m
May 14th 2013
13
Canelo's biggest threat to May is his power. It's a strategic move
May 14th 2013
17
yup Ellerbee know (swipe)
May 14th 2013
44
canelo is 22. he could lose 7 pounds in a wknd.
May 14th 2013
29
exactly.. he's 22 years old.. are you kidding me? - lolololololol
May 14th 2013
31
      uh
May 14th 2013
47
           nga will you shut up with this stupid shit... lol
May 15th 2013
72
u settin up for when he comes down to get paid to still give no credit?
May 14th 2013
42
Says another of the Captain Catchweight stans
May 14th 2013
43
btw Floyd is the CURRENT 154lb WBA champion
May 14th 2013
45
Floyd is the CURRENT WBC and Ring Magazine 147 Champ
May 14th 2013
52
      oh the oldest belt in boxing history is a joke
May 14th 2013
53
           Nigga, they have 2 champs in 8 different divisions
May 14th 2013
54
                no they don't
May 14th 2013
62
                     the other nigga got a belt in the same division from the same body
May 15th 2013
73
Floyd has no business fighting a man 170lbs.
May 14th 2013
46
Exactly!!!!
May 14th 2013
50
147 or 154 isnt fair to either fighter imo. Catchweight or no fight.
May 14th 2013
48
so basically Canelo is a 170 man dropping weight to beat up on smaller d...
May 14th 2013
49
why isnt Canelo calling out Sergio, or even Chavez?
May 14th 2013
56
Don't say that...cause the Floyd haters will have no response lol
May 14th 2013
57
      he's 22...he hasn't called out anyone....lolol....
May 14th 2013
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           you should never misspell a word in all caps, makes you look dumb
May 14th 2013
63
           dawg they rebuttal is "why ain't canelo trying fight somebody else doh"
May 14th 2013
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                someone his own size, like most fighters do
May 14th 2013
68
                     lolol.....
May 14th 2013
70
                          http://ringtv.craveonline.com/ratings/welterweight
May 14th 2013
71
So Floyd fans...go on the record....
May 14th 2013
61
fuck that. we already know he trying to duck. the REAL question is
May 14th 2013
65
they want to see him fight Canelo..and they know it.....but
May 14th 2013
66
What happened to Floyd moving to 168 for Ward?
May 15th 2013
74
      he should fight Ward at 160... but if he won't fight Canelo at 150...
May 15th 2013
87
it wont get an answer dont bother they will just deflect to he cant win
May 15th 2013
75
still waiting for y'all to go on the record...
May 15th 2013
80
      ^^^^same here
May 16th 2013
111
           Ortiz 2 would be a travesty....Khan is a travesty when
May 16th 2013
113
That's bitchmade
May 14th 2013
67
and Canelo has fought at 147 more.
May 14th 2013
69
Arum should just set up Pacquiao vs Canelo at 150 and one up Floyd
May 15th 2013
78
nobody wanna see pac actually DIE, dogg
May 15th 2013
79
Warren .. anti-floyd agenda is the worst agenda in sports
May 15th 2013
81
when he accepts the challenge of fighting the best fighters in their
May 15th 2013
86
best fighters in their prime.... WHO?!?!
May 15th 2013
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      RE: best fighters in their prime.... WHO?!?!
May 15th 2013
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           forreal..you are trying to penalize floyd for there not being any other
May 15th 2013
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                I'm penalizing him for not fighting the more challenging fights
May 15th 2013
102
                     Lol riiiiight
May 15th 2013
103
Zactly, kinda like Mayweather had to do to get a fight w/ De La Hoya
May 16th 2013
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RE: Warren .. anti-floyd agenda is the worst agenda in sports
May 20th 2013
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All agenda's aside: Why can't they have fight-night weight limits?
May 15th 2013
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i never understood why this isnt done
May 15th 2013
83
There are "rehydration clauses"..However they aren't standard...
May 15th 2013
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will never happen...imagine the amount of money lost if a guy
May 15th 2013
85
it would force boxers to fight in the right weight class
May 15th 2013
88
too much money at risk to have fights canceled on the night of
May 15th 2013
89
There is a purse penalty attached to that. You don't remember?
May 15th 2013
90
because it's hard to control rehydration?
May 15th 2013
91
      If you can't be comfortable within 8 lbs of a contracted weight
May 15th 2013
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      the goal is to make weight
May 15th 2013
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      No one should be killing themselves to make weight in the 1st place
May 15th 2013
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           true...but if there are huge money fights down there at the lower
May 15th 2013
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                Dub.. I hear you but imagine if the "names" were in their rightful
May 15th 2013
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can someone explain how gaining that much weight in such a short
May 15th 2013
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They're not actually GAINING weight
May 15th 2013
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      ^^^^^^Say it again^^^^^^
May 15th 2013
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           http://splicd.com/3vXGf7jhMI4/1195/1210
May 15th 2013
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#1 @ the bank.
May 15th 2013
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care to expound how that effects you?
May 16th 2013
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Don't know why Floyd would ever want to fuck with Canelo
May 15th 2013
107
wat
May 16th 2013
110
still waiting on the floyd fans to go on the record..
May 16th 2013
112
So... It was ok for Dawson to come down to meet Ward....
May 16th 2013
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      Sure...because Ward has fought every possible challenging opponet
May 16th 2013
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           LOL!!!! So Mayweather fought nothing but nobodies?!?!
May 16th 2013
121
           pretty much....low risk..high payday...that's his M.O..
May 16th 2013
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                was JMM past his prime... becuz he sure fucked Manny up
May 16th 2013
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                     history will show that Floyd ducked Manny...plain and simple...
May 16th 2013
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                          was JMM past his prime...
May 16th 2013
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                          so that means it's ok for Floyd to fight dudes past their primes
May 16th 2013
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                               No, I'm talking about Floyd.. yes or no was JMM past his prime
May 16th 2013
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                          Why would he want to fight him coming off of a loss?
May 16th 2013
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           So what you're saying is Ward *deserved* requested concessions??!?
May 16th 2013
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                in Dawson's case..it was worth the concession....
May 16th 2013
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                     Who do you know on Ward's ledger other than these 5 names?
May 16th 2013
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                     those were the best guys out there for him to fight...
May 16th 2013
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                          Fighters that adhered to tournament rules...
May 16th 2013
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                     since its a pattern (in your deluded mind), that makes it different?
May 16th 2013
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LOL! Per Jeff Mayweather:
May 16th 2013
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nor should anyone be able to...he's the best fighter AND biggest draw
May 16th 2013
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Interesting. Either way I don't think 154 works vs. Cenolo. I like 150
May 16th 2013
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those pleas only work to justify ducking Canelo.....even though
May 16th 2013
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      you are going great lengths to talk about cats who would lose anyway
May 16th 2013
123
      The champ gets what he wants. --->PERIOD<---
May 16th 2013
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      nigga wants floyd mayweather to accept fighting at major disadvantages
May 16th 2013
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      they both have belts at 154....that's not a major disadvantage...
May 16th 2013
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           It's a major disadvantage for a guy who's never cracked 154lbs...
May 16th 2013
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                man i quit after his plea cop about health concerns for canelo
May 16th 2013
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                I'm saying... An invitation to 147 is simply saying:
May 16th 2013
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                He's got a belt at 154..... and dude..you are avoiding that quote
May 16th 2013
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                     How many times did Roy Jones Jr defend his heavyweight strap?
May 16th 2013
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                          ^^^^^^Say it again^^^^^^
May 16th 2013
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                          if there were more belt holders closer to Ruiz size and skill level
May 16th 2013
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                          lol @ this bullshit
May 22nd 2013
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                          Y'ALL MUSTA FORGOT!!!
May 16th 2013
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      see...here is your problem though....
May 16th 2013
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           See... You got shit twisted fam... That's your problem....
May 16th 2013
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      this is where i'm at
May 16th 2013
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      it dont matter... he negotiates how he wants...now if canelo says
May 16th 2013
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           ^^^^^^Say it again^^^^^^
May 16th 2013
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           oh of course. up and unto making impossible conditions
May 16th 2013
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           what impossible conditions nigga?
May 22nd 2013
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           Absolutely agree. They both have a right of refusal.
May 16th 2013
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                hahahahaha very well put..i love it
May 22nd 2013
256
      How is it a duck? If he wants the fight he will agree to the weight.
May 16th 2013
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           but but but he fought at 154 last year so now he always has to
May 16th 2013
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                No one was angry at Oscar when fighters were met with his terms
May 16th 2013
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                     or manny for fighting at catch weights that always favored him
May 16th 2013
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why isnt Canelo calling out Sergio, or even Chavez? - Al Bundy
May 16th 2013
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he's 22...he hasn't called out anyone...but trust me...
May 16th 2013
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so have u completley abandoned ur manny bandwagon for canelo?
May 16th 2013
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I'm not on anyone's bandwaggon...it just seems so because
May 16th 2013
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LOL..
May 16th 2013
140
why would you be convinced a fight with Canelo and ward wouldn't
May 16th 2013
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      Ward has designs on 175 and maybe higher...
May 16th 2013
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           fighting Canelo at 168 in 2 years or less is the biggest fight
May 16th 2013
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                Ward has just come off of a surgery and has made weight for yrs
May 16th 2013
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                     if Floyd would fight Ward at 160...Ward would go down and do it
May 16th 2013
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                          RE: if Floyd would fight Ward at 160...Ward would go down and do it
May 16th 2013
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                               aren't you buying the claim Canelo weighed 170 on fight night?
May 16th 2013
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                                    It's not a claim.
May 16th 2013
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                                         Weight matters a lot less than you think...
May 17th 2013
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                                              That assumption is ridiculous and asinine
May 17th 2013
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                                              This is logical:
May 17th 2013
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he has said he wants to fight the best
May 16th 2013
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he and his camp would look foolish calling out those guys now
May 16th 2013
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http://splicd.com/rxbMyKNQ1VU/254/287
May 17th 2013
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do they fight for golden boy promotions?
May 16th 2013
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      Floyd is calling out Amir Khan...lololol..
May 16th 2013
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      So....Is HBO and Bob Arum the answer?????
May 16th 2013
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      willingly dumb is repeatedly saying floyd ducked manny
May 16th 2013
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      ^^^^^^Say it again^^^^^^
May 16th 2013
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      he did duck Manny and he's still ducking...Is he talking to Manny now?
May 16th 2013
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      To your points:
May 16th 2013
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a couple things here
May 16th 2013
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So astute. Co-signs
May 16th 2013
167
HEY!!! Let's revisit Billy Conn vs. Joe Louis!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...
May 16th 2013
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i dont see canelo not taking this fight if weight is the only hurdle
May 16th 2013
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Manny was never #1
May 16th 2013
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it's not a catchweight. fuck lol
May 17th 2013
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GOTDAMN I CANNOT TAKE THIS SHIT!
May 16th 2013
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who did floyd fight at a catchweight?
May 16th 2013
172
your moms
May 16th 2013
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difference is Manny abused the fuk out of the catchweight system
May 16th 2013
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I've always said that weight matters
May 16th 2013
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^^^^^^^ SAY IT AGAIN!!!!!!!!! ^^^^^^^^^
May 16th 2013
179
knock knock? who's there? manny got fucked up.
May 16th 2013
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      What a lame duck joke
May 17th 2013
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Exactly..... the pro-Floyd side is standing on shaky ground
May 16th 2013
181
Is that a Narbonne ring with the G in it?
May 16th 2013
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      those are 3 Narbonne rings.....'08, '11, '12
May 16th 2013
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           didnt understand the G
May 16th 2013
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                The G is important to us.... our stadium is the G-House...
May 17th 2013
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they lost all credibility wit that
May 16th 2013
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pretty much
May 16th 2013
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you know manny got fucked up, right?
May 16th 2013
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Yes we do
May 16th 2013
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yeah and it could have been by floyd
May 17th 2013
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yea its kinda like manny fans all of a sudden pro drug testing..
May 16th 2013
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manny got knocked out. floyd didn't. he the draw. he make the rules.
May 16th 2013
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its that simple.
May 16th 2013
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      lol no its fuckin not.
May 16th 2013
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Wasn't that mostly in response to people calling Floyd out for ducking?
May 16th 2013
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Nah, Shawn. Can't let you fuss about this
May 18th 2013
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Floyd stans have now become exactly like Manny stans were
May 17th 2013
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and what happened to Manny stans????
May 17th 2013
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floyd ain't get knocked out and has no losses
May 17th 2013
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im not a manny fan so that means nothing to me
May 17th 2013
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Manny:Iverson - Canelo:LeBron
May 17th 2013
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WHERE IS THE SOURCE?
May 17th 2013
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uh did you even try to google?
May 17th 2013
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      No, you're right, I didn't search
May 17th 2013
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           RE: No, you're right, I didn't search
May 17th 2013
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                I think it's mostly just to get people talking about Floyd
May 17th 2013
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ok so besides being punched in the head, everybody dehydrates to make we...
May 17th 2013
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Floyd needs to fight Canelo at 154 (c) Oscar (swipe)
May 20th 2013
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lol
May 21st 2013
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Bwahahaha. So basically Canelo is scared to fight middleweights
May 21st 2013
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Oscar sounding really dumb.
May 21st 2013
229
Meanwhile WC is trying to convince me that Canelo wants Ward...
May 21st 2013
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i think it's obvious the only reason why he's still at 154 is because
May 21st 2013
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Sorry SouthStinkyMan, Oscar De La Hoya just RUINED your agenda.
May 21st 2013
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cut it out, this is no place for logic or reason
May 21st 2013
235
im a card carrying objective Floyd critic..but this is bs
May 21st 2013
232
As if Julio Ceasar Chavez Jr. isn't SITTING THERE RIGHT NOW.
May 21st 2013
234
hold up...chasing welterweights???
May 21st 2013
238
Nah...Canelo is ducking...scared to fight guys his own size...he shook
May 22nd 2013
241
Canelo weighed 167lbs on fight night against Shane Mosley
May 22nd 2013
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what division yall think he should fight in is irrelevant
May 21st 2013
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lol...man...EVERY other fighter who could do this...has done it
May 21st 2013
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      You do realize Floyd can make 140....135 even
May 22nd 2013
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           you do realize there are no fights for him at 140 or 135....
May 22nd 2013
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                Canelo has JCC Jr waiting at 160 but is scared..bwahaha
May 22nd 2013
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                     he won't do it because he has other shit to do first....
May 22nd 2013
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                          *record scratch* Floyd was a S. FEATHERWEIGHT in 1999
May 22nd 2013
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                               Canelo trying to get the maximum payday
May 22nd 2013
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                                    Well....no fucking shit. That's not the point, though.
May 22nd 2013
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                                         if the backlash is unfair...
May 22nd 2013
265
                                              Yeah, you're diverting attention from Canelo being scared.
May 22nd 2013
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                                                   no..YOU are diverting attention away from Floyd ducking challenges.
May 22nd 2013
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                                                        Hatton was only at the end
May 22nd 2013
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                                                        if you've fought more than 40 fights....and a particular fight
May 22nd 2013
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                                                             LMAO!!! It was at the END BECAUSE FLOYD ENDED HIS CAREER!! LMAO!!!!
May 22nd 2013
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                                                                  Hatton was already showing signs of being punchy and shot
May 22nd 2013
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                                                                       That is an outright lie. You Sir are lying. No one thought that.
May 23rd 2013
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                                                                            you may now refer to my sig....hahaha thats cold
May 23rd 2013
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                                                        You do know Floyd challenged Mosley at 135lbs right?!?!.....
May 23rd 2013
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Glad you're on board. To your points:
May 21st 2013
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he's headed to middleweight...he's 22 years old.... why rush to middle
May 21st 2013
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      Nah, he shook....he can't drain to 152...bwahaha he SCARED
May 22nd 2013
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           you honestly sound riddiculous.... you saying a 22 year old kid
May 22nd 2013
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                there's absolutely zero reason for canelo to move to MW right now
May 22nd 2013
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                ,
May 22nd 2013
                gotdamb thats one helluva 180 LOL
May 22nd 2013
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                     Yeah these niggas got COMPLETELY thrown off their course
May 22nd 2013
251
                     he just unified 154 & comes into fights @ 170
May 22nd 2013
255
                          Canelo's people ain't ignoring Chavez Jr. and Martinez...
May 22nd 2013
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                               Yeah....Canelo has to challenge former super featherweights
May 22nd 2013
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                               You do know that Canelo also fought Josesito Lopez right?!?...
May 23rd 2013
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Danny Garcia - Floyd is a WW - he's not a 154 pound fighter
May 22nd 2013
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(Link) re:The weight issue Mayweather vs Alvarez
May 22nd 2013
259
is that you? lol
May 22nd 2013
261
      Nah B... Not even close... but son is real rational with his...
May 22nd 2013
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           i'm assuming that dwyer since you agree with him lol
May 22nd 2013
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           LOL. Dude will admit when he's wrong but usually he's right...
May 23rd 2013
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                hahahaha
May 23rd 2013
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           I was just kidding, and I agree 100% with him...
May 22nd 2013
269
Sept 15th.....
Sep 15th 2013
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RE: Sept 15th..... (Fucking BRILLIANCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
Sep 16th 2013
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Good lord.....hahahaah Wow
Sep 16th 2013
283
This Is Some Stupendous Uppage
Sep 16th 2013
284
haha, i forgot about that
Sep 16th 2013
285
One Mo Gin' .......Canelo is a liar.
Sep 16th 2013
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