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25. "Actually, his defensive "ineptitude" was always overstated"
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he was TERRIBLE at throwing out runners, but everything else he did pretty well.

In fact, let me allow John Dewan to elucidate

http://www.billjamesonline.com/should_mike_piazza_be_in_the_hall_of_fame_/


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If it was true that Piazza was not a good defensive catcher, I would be OK with him not getting into the Hall on the first ballot. I still think the best hitting catcher of all time should be in the Hall, but having to wait a few years wouldn’t be so bad. But, all the statistical measures suggest otherwise. In fact, they suggest that Piazza was an above-average defensive catcher.

The one thing that Piazza did not do well defensively was throw out basestealers. He allowed a 76.8 percent stolen base percentage in his career. Other catchers who caught the same pitchers as Piazza threw out 64.5 percent. However, nabbing basestealers is only a part of a catcher’s defensive responsibility and only a small part of Piazza’s overall game. It would be like saying that the best hitting second baseman of all time, Rogers Hornsby, shouldn’t be in the Hall because he didn’t steal a lot of bases in his time.

The most important part of a catcher’s job is handling his pitchers and in this area Piazza was superb. Here is one of the most telling statistics. In his career behind the plate, pitchers had a 3.80 ERA when Piazza was catching. If you look at all the other catchers who caught the same pitchers in the same year that Piazza did, they allowed a 4.34 ERA. That’s a major difference, much more important than a few extra bases stolen. (In fact, Piazza’s catcher ERA of 3.81 includes the run value of any extra stolen bases he allowed.)

Craig Wright wrote an excellent article in The Hardball Times Baseball Annual 2009 called Piazza, Hall of Fame Catcher. He did a detailed sabermetric study that showed that hitters had a .723 OPS with Piazza behind the plate and a .748 OPS with other catchers. This 25-point differential is highly significant. In further studies that we did in The Fielding Bible—Volume II, we found that Piazza saved at least 20 to 70 runs more than an average catcher defensively, depending on the technique that we used."

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Mike Piazza would like you to know he's super not gay, but is racist [View all] , magilla vanilla, Mon Feb-11-13 09:35 AM
 
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i used to watch home improvement b.c of the tool time girl.
Feb 11th 2013
1
not really helping his case...
Feb 11th 2013
2
this all reads like a memoir of a junior high bully victim
Feb 11th 2013
4
perhaps my worst all time moment as a sports fan gets even worse
Feb 11th 2013
3
I was at the game when he got beaned. I thought he was dead
Feb 11th 2013
5
My question is if he thinks cardio kickboxing counts as karate
Feb 11th 2013
6
he's not that racist, just an old bro-type douche is all.
Feb 11th 2013
7
What's the genesis of the Piazza/Clemens beef?
Feb 11th 2013
8
Piazza owned Clemens at the plate & that's how Roger reacts to adversity
Feb 11th 2013
9
See also Pedro Martinez/Jose Guillen
Feb 11th 2013
12
If you ask me, it was an interleague game, June 9th, 2000
Feb 11th 2013
10
      Excellent
Feb 11th 2013
13
      RE: If you ask me, it was an interleague game, June 9th, 2000
Feb 11th 2013
14
      Yeah, paid for by students though.
Feb 11th 2013
16
      this is some literary shit, Grantland worthy, I read it twice.
Feb 12th 2013
19
      Agreed.
Feb 12th 2013
20
           Thank you, sirs. n/m
Feb 12th 2013
21
                f'real. I got more entertainment from that story than anyone will
Feb 12th 2013
22
      amazing
Feb 12th 2013
30
Piazza's views on latin players was the reason those Dodger teams
Feb 11th 2013
11
never liked him, even as a Dodger
Feb 11th 2013
15
yeah he was the definitive pseudo superstar
Feb 12th 2013
23
The greatest hitting catcher of all time isn't pseudo anything.
Feb 12th 2013
24
he didnt start handling pitchers well until he got to NY
Feb 12th 2013
27
Those are career numbers
Feb 12th 2013
28
RE: Those are career numbers
Feb 12th 2013
29
That was the way I saw it as well
Feb 13th 2013
34
he improved greatly handling his staff and he blocked the plate well
Feb 12th 2013
32
this is really off
Feb 12th 2013
26
      i think he took that chance to round out his game and get serious
Feb 12th 2013
33
he RAKED though
Feb 12th 2013
31
      we only had 1 maybe 2 decent teams while he was with us
Feb 13th 2013
35
           95 won the NL West
Feb 14th 2013
37
latin mafia type thing lmao
Feb 12th 2013
17
that goober dated the tool time chick? jeez.
Feb 12th 2013
18
he disses Vin Scully in his book too..
Feb 14th 2013
36
anyone who disses vin gets a kick in the balls
Feb 14th 2013
38
oh wow he fell to Jeff Kent levels of shit with that one
Feb 14th 2013
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