Subject |
Author |
Message Date |
ID |
After his injury, I would be hesitant to put Rose as a franchise |
|
Sep 03rd 2012 | 1
|
That might be true, but until he proves otherwise, he should be on there |
|
Sep 03rd 2012 | 2
|
see it's the other way around for me, I don't anticipate him |
|
Sep 03rd 2012 | 4
|
I feel you, but it's not a guarantee that he won't be |
|
Sep 03rd 2012 | 8
|
would you trade Bynum for Rose right today? I sure as hell wouldn't |
|
Sep 03rd 2012 | 10
|
LOL I see your point |
|
Sep 03rd 2012 | 11
|
Right today? I would take Bynum |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 89
|
of course, I think most would besides maybe Bull Fans |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 96
|
Define franchise player. |
|
Sep 03rd 2012 | 3
|
Right, it could have a few different meanings |
|
Sep 03rd 2012 | 7
|
Mario Chalmers. n/m |
|
Sep 03rd 2012 | 5
|
and perkins |
|
Sep 03rd 2012 | 6
|
At this point, I think its safe to include Bynum as a franchise player |
|
Sep 03rd 2012 | 9
|
He hasn't been one yet, but I think he will be this season |
|
Sep 03rd 2012 | 15
|
Its funny how Chris Paul's name always gets thrown in as an automatic... |
|
Sep 03rd 2012 | 12
|
his per and win shares high. |
|
Sep 03rd 2012 | 13
|
He gave the Lakers a run for their money all by himself |
|
Sep 03rd 2012 | 16
|
based on what criteria? |
|
Sep 03rd 2012 | 18
|
of ALL the pgs in the league, he has played w/the most inferior |
|
Sep 03rd 2012 | 19
|
Paul's teammates in New Orleans weren't any less talented than.... |
|
Sep 03rd 2012 | 22
|
you're joking, right?...well, lets take a look at their teammates |
|
Sep 03rd 2012 | 27
|
lol, what? |
|
Sep 03rd 2012 | 32
|
RE: lol, what? |
|
Sep 03rd 2012 | 35
|
lol, so you just gonna ignore that Harris/Favors thing huh? okayplayer..... |
|
Sep 03rd 2012 | 37
|
Here's an article from today on how his teammates improve |
|
Sep 03rd 2012 | 53
|
RE: lol, so you just gonna ignore that Harris/Favors thing huh? okayplay... |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 73
|
honestly I don't have anything against Paul, I just do understand why... |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 83
|
RE: honestly I don't have anything against Paul, I just do understand wh... |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 139
|
RE: honestly I don't have anything against Paul, I just do understand wh... |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 142
|
***raises hand*** |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 145
|
Being the best offensive player in the nba |
|
Sep 03rd 2012 | 20
|
again, based on what? is this the "win shares" argument again? |
|
Sep 03rd 2012 | 23
|
That he's the best PG in the NBA? |
|
Sep 03rd 2012 | 24
|
that's they question, how do you quantify that? what is that opinion... |
|
Sep 03rd 2012 | 25
|
Can't think of anyone else I'd rather have on my team |
|
Sep 03rd 2012 | 28
|
So its just your personal opinion? cool. |
|
Sep 03rd 2012 | 33
|
So what the hell are you looking for then? |
|
Sep 03rd 2012 | 38
|
RE: So what the hell are you looking for then? |
|
Sep 03rd 2012 | 39
|
You really haven't answered any of my questions |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 74
|
I'm not big on the hypothetical shit talking about what somebody... |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 82
|
I think basing a player's greatness or stature on playoff wins |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 163
|
Lebron made it to the Finals in his 4th year, his status was cement... |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 165
|
defense does show up in win shares |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 167
|
first team all defense chris paul? |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 190
|
So its just your personal opinion? cool. |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 202
|
wow, you don't know anything. |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 191
|
RE: based on what criteria? |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 71
|
whether Paul fits your or others criteria for being a franchise player |
|
Sep 03rd 2012 | 17
|
lol, I'm just trying to determine what the "criteria" ... |
|
Sep 03rd 2012 | 21
|
RE: lol, I'm just trying to determine what the "cri... |
|
Sep 03rd 2012 | 31
|
where are you getting this from? |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 59
|
Can you name another player you think is a better leader?...but |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 68
|
all that and couldn't win 1 game against the Spurs in the playoffs |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 80
|
I'm convinced you either really don't watch basketball as much as |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 86
|
you posted a fluff piece from an organization that had just acquired |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 90
|
1st of all, I doubt if you read the entire article and 2ndly pgs in |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 115
|
chris paul is the NBAs ray lewis now? |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 133
|
RE: 1st of all, I doubt if you read the entire article and 2ndly pgs in |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 138
|
Chris Paul teams always outperform the given talent level |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 56
|
the "teammates suck" excuse wasn't good enough for bron or AI |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 57
|
TALKABOUTIT |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 62
|
how can you say it didn't work for Lebron or AI when the fact of the |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 70
|
who's questioning if he is a franchise player or not? |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 92
|
nah, I think you need to re-read what Truth is saying in regards to Paul |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 107
|
RE: the "teammates suck" excuse wasn't good enough for bron or... |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 75
|
bron and AI were both ragged on here for not doing enough with |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 94
|
you've got it backwards. ai and bron were accepted |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 131
|
not arguing that. |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 134
|
RE: bron and AI were both ragged on here for not doing enough with |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 137
|
cry! |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 171
|
i kinda dont believe PGs can be franchise players. |
|
Sep 03rd 2012 | 14
|
bron is just a big-ass point guard though |
|
Sep 03rd 2012 | 26
|
lol... |
|
Sep 03rd 2012 | 29
|
ask kobe and durant what they think about paul |
|
Sep 03rd 2012 | 40
|
RE: ask kobe and durant what they think about paul |
|
Sep 03rd 2012 | 43
|
tony parker is better in 2012 than kobe too |
|
Sep 03rd 2012 | 44
|
ok so this is a anti-Kobe agenda and has nothing to do with Paul? |
|
Sep 03rd 2012 | 47
|
any objective basketball discussion involving kobe in 2012 |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 130
|
lol, who the fuck are you talking about? Smush Parker? |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 154
|
man bron is an anomaly. |
|
Sep 03rd 2012 | 30
|
Yea. Magic Johnson damn sure wasn't a franchise player. |
|
Sep 03rd 2012 | 34
|
i consider him a point forward like bron. |
|
Sep 03rd 2012 | 36
|
magic was a pg fam |
|
Sep 03rd 2012 | 42
|
Franchise Players... |
|
Sep 03rd 2012 | 45
|
Iggy = Hasn't watched basketball for the last 10 years |
|
Sep 03rd 2012 | 46
|
*looks at how Philly treats their franchise players* |
|
Sep 03rd 2012 | 50
|
^^^This dude said 'Iggy' & 'Monta' |
|
Sep 03rd 2012 | 49
|
yeah i said it... |
|
Sep 03rd 2012 | 51
|
Monta isn't selfish? |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 91
|
http://thumbs.anyclip.com/tOeKslZuF/tmb_4600_480.jpg |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 98
|
monta sucks. |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 173
|
^^^ left off Kyrie and put Monta, LMAO |
|
Sep 03rd 2012 | 52
|
i am waiting to see this season... |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 54
|
So because Monta got .6 dimes more in his 7th year... |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 58
|
lol. |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 60
|
don't be a daft dickrider |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 63
|
deron williams avg 4.5 assists his rookie year |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 64
|
and who was saying Rondo and Deron were franchise players |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 66
|
deron? plenty of folks...rondo maybe not until his 3rd year. |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 78
|
More or less everyone assumed Deron was going to be one. |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 81
|
wait, so we are changing history... |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 88
|
he crushed building with 2 more assists? for real? |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 93
|
their rookie seasons are pretty comparable actually. |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 101
|
No the fuck they are not... |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 104
|
who said he's on the level of chris paul today? we are talking about |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 106
|
I am talking about Paul's rookie year... |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 108
|
his rookie numbers were very Andre Millerish but he's a franchise player |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 113
|
and my point is...you can't tell off a rookie year always |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 114
|
That would be fine if you didn't have niggas who have already proven |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 125
|
Nobody's butthurt. You just sound like a dumbass. |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 148
|
Just because a team is going to try and build around a player |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 116
|
dude there is no vesting period to become a franchise player |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 135
|
7.8 > 5.4 |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 105
|
lol he's not showing signs of being able to lead a team to the playoffs |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 100
|
RE: Franchise Players... |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 77
|
i don't think Kobe right today is franchise |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 95
|
He was, however |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 55
|
i understand that |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 65
|
Magic was still much more of a natural PG than Bron tho |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 132
|
agreed, but the point is Magic wasn't just ANY pg |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 152
|
LaMarcus Aldridge |
|
Sep 03rd 2012 | 41
|
What has LaMarcus proven that Rondo hasn't? |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 72
|
yeah, as good as Aldridge is he doesn't dominate games |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 87
|
he occasionally dominates, but admittedly not enough |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 121
|
yeah he has his moments, that's why he's a star |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 127
|
He's one of the most consistent players in the league. |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 141
|
lol that doesn't even make sense. |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 160
|
My bad... |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 170
|
scoring-wise he's consistent |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 193
|
3 years? lol |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 140
|
If you think LaMarcus is better than Rondo then you're delusional |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 159
|
I didn't say that LMA was better than Rondo. |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 169
|
lol not building around rondo? |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 172
|
Because Boston didn't want to resign Ray? |
|
Sep 06th 2012 | 241
|
Nigga popped off on Rondo, yet started with Lamarcus...lol |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 120
|
Started? |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 144
|
"Subject: Lamarcus Aldridge" |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 146
|
lolz |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 162
|
Franchise player meaning the center piece to build a successful |
|
Sep 03rd 2012 | 48
|
I'm puzzled at people's inclusion of Rondo |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 67
|
Did you watch the playoffs this year. Yeah Bron went bath salt |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 76
|
^^^^ |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 109
|
played all 53 minutes of an OT game |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 111
|
KG played MVP caliber ball... |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 128
|
espn is full of idiots |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 157
|
I'll let you handle it, dude didn't address any of my points, just |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 161
|
Your point was that Rondo carried the Celtics... |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 189
|
No, my point was we all reveled in Bron's ECF performance |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 197
|
I was amazed at Rondo's performance, too. |
|
Sep 06th 2012 | 242
|
Franchise players at the very least get their teams to the playoffs |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 61
|
So Kobe wasn't a franchise player when he missed the playoffs? |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 69
|
kobe missed the playoffs once out of how many years? i can live w/ |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 79
|
agreed that's why Love shouldn't even be in the conversation yet |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 84
|
eh love woulda made it last year without the injuries. Every rule has |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 85
|
like I said above I'm not too big on hypotheticals talking about what... |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 99
|
i can respect that...i disagree, but i hear where you are coming from. |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 103
|
damn this dumb logic got broken down with only 2 replies |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 97
|
lol wuuut...they BOTH said they agree with me. |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 102
|
If That's The Criteria, Then Melo HAS To Be One |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 117
|
Howard is not on the list |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 110
|
He took the Magic to the Finals and put the team on his back |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 112
|
right, Dwight went to the Finals with Shard and fucking Hedo |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 119
|
damn, talk abt revisionist history lmao |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 124
|
they weren't swept |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 129
|
and Jameer was injured and missed the 2nd half of the season and... |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 136
|
nigga went to the finals wit skip to my fucking lou |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 149
|
'dat revisionist history lmao |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 156
|
lol |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 158
|
this is the bizarro franchise player argument |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 118
|
lol, basically |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 123
|
Except he wasn't the reason they made it to the Finals. But okay |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 212
|
lucky for you the football season starts tonight |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 221
|
Lolz I guess Lebron ain't one either |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 126
|
FOH |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 143
|
MiniKG has a chance to be a Franchise Player. |
|
Sep 04th 2012 | 122
|
unfortunately, i think the mini part is why he probably won't. |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 147
|
HARDEN? Franchise Player? |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 150
|
He'd at least get a STAR reception if traded. |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 153
|
lol, these off-season NBA post make my head hurt, my first mind... |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 155
|
lol @ durant being on the verge |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 151
|
aside from the other LOL moments others have noted |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 164
|
Before it was, "The team is too good he doesn't have to do much" |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 166
|
lol. he's basketball goldilocks. |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 168
|
a pass-first pg running an offense that scores as efficiently as the... |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 175
|
lol what? |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 178
|
hint: the celtics are towards the bottom |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 179
|
i'm trying to understand the point of mentioning a pass first pg |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 181
|
RE: i'm trying to understand the point of mentioning a pass first pg |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 182
|
point is, you're failing basic standards of logic |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 192
|
RE: point is, you're failing basic standards of logic |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 194
|
came in here anticipating a clusterfuck. |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 174
|
the bad thing is that we have this discussion almost every month |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 176
|
apparently lebron's the only guy in the league |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 180
|
i especially enjoyed the shunning of dirk. |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 184
|
lol |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 185
|
bankshots, bitches, beauboisquiats!!! |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 188
|
there's only a handful. |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 177
|
Only Lebron and Durant at this point. |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 183
|
D12 is over rated? |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 186
|
lol |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 187
|
Dude, Dwight is very overrated. Inflated rebound numbers.... |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 195
|
what, be the best player on the prohibitive title favorite? |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 196
|
lol, the Magic did it unsuccessfully. Yeah, they got to the Finals.... |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 198
|
smh. |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 201
|
serious question, how does one acquire Inflated rebound numbers.... |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 199
|
When you play with lazy-ass teammates, so you get all the rebounds.... |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 200
|
anyway, your critique of D12 seems solely based on offense |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 203
|
no no no no no, you don't get it. |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 205
|
oh, is that the franchise that had those world beaters on their roster |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 206
|
i'm assuming that one of the qualifications for "franchise players" |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 207
|
oh yeah, the iso clear out under 10 seconds play |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 208
|
RE: oh yeah, the iso clear out under 10 seconds play |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 215
|
Except I didn't say any of that, but at least you got to post something. |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 218
|
lol, right, people only look at half the game, half the time Durant... |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 209
|
Except Russy and Harden aren't franchise...but okay. |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 214
|
I see we got some Dwight fans in the house...... |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 210
|
lol, FOH acting like Dwight is Ben Wallace are somebody.... |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 213
|
lol, wait, Dwight is dominant on offense now? |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 217
|
there's still only like a handful of dudes in the league that can defend... |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 223
|
None, but that hardly means he's dominant. David Lee.... |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 224
|
Do either one of those guys make 57% of their baskets? I didn't... |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 227
|
Aww, don't be like that. I'm just sayin. |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 229
|
20ppg when you make almost 60% of your shots IS dominant... |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 232
|
no, it's not...but okay |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 233
|
okayplayer. |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 235
|
the argument you're making for Durant is the same argument |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 219
|
Not really. Durant's defense is not even close to being as much a liabil... |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 222
|
This may answer your question about Durant's defense. |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 220
|
and when Ibaka puts up 20+ PPG he'll be a franchise player |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 225
|
You mean just like David Lee? |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 226
|
and lead his team in Rebs and Blks...yeah, then we can talk |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 228
|
right, you gotta come up with like 3 people to do everything... |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 230
|
You have a guy that supposedly does all that, yet can't get a chip. |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 231
|
how long did it take Lebron to get one? |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 234
|
Who gives a fuck about Lebron, we talkin about Dwight. |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 236
|
well you said Lebron and Dwight are the only franchise players... |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 237
|
correction, he's arguing for Durant, who also doesn't have a ring |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 238
|
Yeah, he'll get his chip this year. He's going to be in the best positio... |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 239
|
and you still don't get it. he's a 3-time defensive player of the year..... |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 240
|
|
Um, no excuses. I've admitted he needs to board better. |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 211
|
It all depends on how you define franchise |
|
Sep 05th 2012 | 216
|