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 After his injury, I would be hesitant to put Rose as a franchise |
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Sep 03rd 2012 | 1
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 That might be true, but until he proves otherwise, he should be on there |
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Sep 03rd 2012 | 2
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| see it's the other way around for me, I don't anticipate him |
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Sep 03rd 2012 | 4
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| I feel you, but it's not a guarantee that he won't be |
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Sep 03rd 2012 | 8
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| would you trade Bynum for Rose right today? I sure as hell wouldn't |
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Sep 03rd 2012 | 10
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 LOL I see your point |
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Sep 03rd 2012 | 11
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| Right today? I would take Bynum |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 89
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| of course, I think most would besides maybe Bull Fans |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 96
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| Define franchise player. |
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Sep 03rd 2012 | 3
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| Right, it could have a few different meanings |
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Sep 03rd 2012 | 7
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| Mario Chalmers. n/m |
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Sep 03rd 2012 | 5
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| and perkins |
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Sep 03rd 2012 | 6
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| At this point, I think its safe to include Bynum as a franchise player |
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Sep 03rd 2012 | 9
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| He hasn't been one yet, but I think he will be this season |
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Sep 03rd 2012 | 15
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| Its funny how Chris Paul's name always gets thrown in as an automatic... |
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Sep 03rd 2012 | 12
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| his per and win shares high. |
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Sep 03rd 2012 | 13
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| He gave the Lakers a run for their money all by himself |
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Sep 03rd 2012 | 16
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 based on what criteria? |
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Sep 03rd 2012 | 18
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| of ALL the pgs in the league, he has played w/the most inferior |
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Sep 03rd 2012 | 19
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| Paul's teammates in New Orleans weren't any less talented than.... |
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Sep 03rd 2012 | 22
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| you're joking, right?...well, lets take a look at their teammates |
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Sep 03rd 2012 | 27
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| lol, what? |
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Sep 03rd 2012 | 32
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| RE: lol, what? |
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Sep 03rd 2012 | 35
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| lol, so you just gonna ignore that Harris/Favors thing huh? okayplayer..... |
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Sep 03rd 2012 | 37
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| Here's an article from today on how his teammates improve |
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Sep 03rd 2012 | 53
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| RE: lol, so you just gonna ignore that Harris/Favors thing huh? okayplay... |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 73
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| honestly I don't have anything against Paul, I just do understand why... |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 83
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| RE: honestly I don't have anything against Paul, I just do understand wh... |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 139
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| RE: honestly I don't have anything against Paul, I just do understand wh... |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 142
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| ***raises hand*** |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 145
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| Being the best offensive player in the nba |
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Sep 03rd 2012 | 20
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| again, based on what? is this the "win shares" argument again? |
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Sep 03rd 2012 | 23
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| That he's the best PG in the NBA? |
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Sep 03rd 2012 | 24
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| that's they question, how do you quantify that? what is that opinion... |
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Sep 03rd 2012 | 25
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| Can't think of anyone else I'd rather have on my team |
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Sep 03rd 2012 | 28
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| So its just your personal opinion? cool. |
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Sep 03rd 2012 | 33
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| So what the hell are you looking for then? |
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Sep 03rd 2012 | 38
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| RE: So what the hell are you looking for then? |
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Sep 03rd 2012 | 39
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| You really haven't answered any of my questions |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 74
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| I'm not big on the hypothetical shit talking about what somebody... |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 82
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| I think basing a player's greatness or stature on playoff wins |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 163
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| Lebron made it to the Finals in his 4th year, his status was cement... |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 165
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| defense does show up in win shares |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 167
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| first team all defense chris paul? |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 190
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| So its just your personal opinion? cool. |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 202
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| wow, you don't know anything. |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 191
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| RE: based on what criteria? |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 71
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| whether Paul fits your or others criteria for being a franchise player |
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Sep 03rd 2012 | 17
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| lol, I'm just trying to determine what the "criteria" ... |
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Sep 03rd 2012 | 21
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| RE: lol, I'm just trying to determine what the "cri... |
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Sep 03rd 2012 | 31
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| where are you getting this from? |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 59
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| Can you name another player you think is a better leader?...but |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 68
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| all that and couldn't win 1 game against the Spurs in the playoffs |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 80
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| I'm convinced you either really don't watch basketball as much as |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 86
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| you posted a fluff piece from an organization that had just acquired |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 90
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| 1st of all, I doubt if you read the entire article and 2ndly pgs in |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 115
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| chris paul is the NBAs ray lewis now? |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 133
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| RE: 1st of all, I doubt if you read the entire article and 2ndly pgs in |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 138
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| Chris Paul teams always outperform the given talent level |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 56
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| the "teammates suck" excuse wasn't good enough for bron or AI |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 57
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| TALKABOUTIT |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 62
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| how can you say it didn't work for Lebron or AI when the fact of the |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 70
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| who's questioning if he is a franchise player or not? |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 92
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| nah, I think you need to re-read what Truth is saying in regards to Paul |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 107
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| RE: the "teammates suck" excuse wasn't good enough for bron or... |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 75
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| bron and AI were both ragged on here for not doing enough with |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 94
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| you've got it backwards. ai and bron were accepted |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 131
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| not arguing that. |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 134
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| RE: bron and AI were both ragged on here for not doing enough with |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 137
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| cry! |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 171
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| i kinda dont believe PGs can be franchise players. |
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Sep 03rd 2012 | 14
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| bron is just a big-ass point guard though |
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Sep 03rd 2012 | 26
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| lol... |
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Sep 03rd 2012 | 29
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| ask kobe and durant what they think about paul |
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Sep 03rd 2012 | 40
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| RE: ask kobe and durant what they think about paul |
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Sep 03rd 2012 | 43
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| tony parker is better in 2012 than kobe too |
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Sep 03rd 2012 | 44
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| ok so this is a anti-Kobe agenda and has nothing to do with Paul? |
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Sep 03rd 2012 | 47
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| any objective basketball discussion involving kobe in 2012 |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 130
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| lol, who the fuck are you talking about? Smush Parker? |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 154
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| man bron is an anomaly. |
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Sep 03rd 2012 | 30
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| Yea. Magic Johnson damn sure wasn't a franchise player. |
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Sep 03rd 2012 | 34
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| i consider him a point forward like bron. |
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Sep 03rd 2012 | 36
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| magic was a pg fam |
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Sep 03rd 2012 | 42
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| Franchise Players... |
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Sep 03rd 2012 | 45
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| Iggy = Hasn't watched basketball for the last 10 years |
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Sep 03rd 2012 | 46
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| *looks at how Philly treats their franchise players* |
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Sep 03rd 2012 | 50
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| ^^^This dude said 'Iggy' & 'Monta' |
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Sep 03rd 2012 | 49
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| yeah i said it... |
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Sep 03rd 2012 | 51
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| Monta isn't selfish? |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 91
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| http://thumbs.anyclip.com/tOeKslZuF/tmb_4600_480.jpg |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 98
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| ^^^ left off Kyrie and put Monta, LMAO |
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Sep 03rd 2012 | 52
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| i am waiting to see this season... |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 54
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| So because Monta got .6 dimes more in his 7th year... |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 58
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| lol. |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 60
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| don't be a daft dickrider |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 63
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| deron williams avg 4.5 assists his rookie year |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 64
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| and who was saying Rondo and Deron were franchise players |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 66
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| deron? plenty of folks...rondo maybe not until his 3rd year. |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 78
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| More or less everyone assumed Deron was going to be one. |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 81
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| wait, so we are changing history... |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 88
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| he crushed building with 2 more assists? for real? |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 93
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| their rookie seasons are pretty comparable actually. |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 101
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| No the fuck they are not... |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 104
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| who said he's on the level of chris paul today? we are talking about |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 106
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| I am talking about Paul's rookie year... |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 108
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| his rookie numbers were very Andre Millerish but he's a franchise player |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 113
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| and my point is...you can't tell off a rookie year always |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 114
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| That would be fine if you didn't have niggas who have already proven |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 125
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| Nobody's butthurt. You just sound like a dumbass. |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 148
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| Just because a team is going to try and build around a player |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 116
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| dude there is no vesting period to become a franchise player |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 135
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| 7.8 > 5.4 |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 105
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| lol he's not showing signs of being able to lead a team to the playoffs |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 100
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| RE: Franchise Players... |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 77
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| i don't think Kobe right today is franchise |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 95
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| He was, however |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 55
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| i understand that |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 65
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| Magic was still much more of a natural PG than Bron tho |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 132
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| agreed, but the point is Magic wasn't just ANY pg |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 152
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| LaMarcus Aldridge |
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Sep 03rd 2012 | 41
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| What has LaMarcus proven that Rondo hasn't? |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 72
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| yeah, as good as Aldridge is he doesn't dominate games |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 87
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| he occasionally dominates, but admittedly not enough |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 121
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| yeah he has his moments, that's why he's a star |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 127
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| He's one of the most consistent players in the league. |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 141
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| lol that doesn't even make sense. |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 160
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| My bad... |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 170
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| scoring-wise he's consistent |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 193
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| 3 years? lol |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 140
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| If you think LaMarcus is better than Rondo then you're delusional |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 159
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| I didn't say that LMA was better than Rondo. |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 169
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| lol not building around rondo? |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 172
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| Because Boston didn't want to resign Ray? |
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Sep 06th 2012 | 241
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| Nigga popped off on Rondo, yet started with Lamarcus...lol |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 120
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| Started? |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 144
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| "Subject: Lamarcus Aldridge" |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 146
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| lolz |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 162
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| Franchise player meaning the center piece to build a successful |
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Sep 03rd 2012 | 48
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| I'm puzzled at people's inclusion of Rondo |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 67
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| Did you watch the playoffs this year. Yeah Bron went bath salt |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 76
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| ^^^^ |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 109
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| played all 53 minutes of an OT game |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 111
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| KG played MVP caliber ball... |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 128
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| espn is full of idiots |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 157
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| I'll let you handle it, dude didn't address any of my points, just |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 161
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| Your point was that Rondo carried the Celtics... |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 189
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| No, my point was we all reveled in Bron's ECF performance |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 197
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| I was amazed at Rondo's performance, too. |
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Sep 06th 2012 | 242
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| Franchise players at the very least get their teams to the playoffs |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 61
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| So Kobe wasn't a franchise player when he missed the playoffs? |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 69
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| kobe missed the playoffs once out of how many years? i can live w/ |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 79
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| agreed that's why Love shouldn't even be in the conversation yet |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 84
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| eh love woulda made it last year without the injuries. Every rule has |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 85
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| like I said above I'm not too big on hypotheticals talking about what... |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 99
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| i can respect that...i disagree, but i hear where you are coming from. |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 103
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| damn this dumb logic got broken down with only 2 replies |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 97
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| lol wuuut...they BOTH said they agree with me. |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 102
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| If That's The Criteria, Then Melo HAS To Be One |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 117
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| Howard is not on the list |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 110
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| He took the Magic to the Finals and put the team on his back |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 112
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| right, Dwight went to the Finals with Shard and fucking Hedo |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 119
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| damn, talk abt revisionist history lmao |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 124
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| they weren't swept |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 129
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| and Jameer was injured and missed the 2nd half of the season and... |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 136
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| nigga went to the finals wit skip to my fucking lou |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 149
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| 'dat revisionist history lmao |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 156
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| lol |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 158
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| this is the bizarro franchise player argument |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 118
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| lol, basically |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 123
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| Except he wasn't the reason they made it to the Finals. But okay |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 212
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| lucky for you the football season starts tonight |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 221
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| Lolz I guess Lebron ain't one either |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 126
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| FOH |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 143
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| MiniKG has a chance to be a Franchise Player. |
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Sep 04th 2012 | 122
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| unfortunately, i think the mini part is why he probably won't. |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 147
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| HARDEN? Franchise Player? |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 150
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| He'd at least get a STAR reception if traded. |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 153
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| lol, these off-season NBA post make my head hurt, my first mind... |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 155
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| lol @ durant being on the verge |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 151
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| aside from the other LOL moments others have noted |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 164
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| Before it was, "The team is too good he doesn't have to do much" |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 166
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| lol. he's basketball goldilocks. |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 168
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| a pass-first pg running an offense that scores as efficiently as the... |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 175
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| lol what? |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 178
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| hint: the celtics are towards the bottom |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 179
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| i'm trying to understand the point of mentioning a pass first pg |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 181
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| RE: i'm trying to understand the point of mentioning a pass first pg |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 182
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| point is, you're failing basic standards of logic |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 192
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| RE: point is, you're failing basic standards of logic |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 194
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| came in here anticipating a clusterfuck. |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 174
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| the bad thing is that we have this discussion almost every month |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 176
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| apparently lebron's the only guy in the league |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 180
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| i especially enjoyed the shunning of dirk. |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 184
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| lol |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 185
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| bankshots, bitches, beauboisquiats!!! |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 188
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| there's only a handful. |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 177
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| Only Lebron and Durant at this point. |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 183
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| D12 is over rated? |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 186
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| lol |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 187
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| Dude, Dwight is very overrated. Inflated rebound numbers.... |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 195
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| what, be the best player on the prohibitive title favorite? |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 196
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| lol, the Magic did it unsuccessfully. Yeah, they got to the Finals.... |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 198
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| smh. |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 201
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| serious question, how does one acquire Inflated rebound numbers.... |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 199
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| When you play with lazy-ass teammates, so you get all the rebounds.... |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 200
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| anyway, your critique of D12 seems solely based on offense |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 203
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| no no no no no, you don't get it. |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 205
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| oh, is that the franchise that had those world beaters on their roster |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 206
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| i'm assuming that one of the qualifications for "franchise players" |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 207
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| oh yeah, the iso clear out under 10 seconds play |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 208
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| RE: oh yeah, the iso clear out under 10 seconds play |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 215
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| Except I didn't say any of that, but at least you got to post something. |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 218
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| lol, right, people only look at half the game, half the time Durant... |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 209
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| Except Russy and Harden aren't franchise...but okay. |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 214
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| I see we got some Dwight fans in the house...... |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 210
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| lol, FOH acting like Dwight is Ben Wallace are somebody.... |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 213
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| lol, wait, Dwight is dominant on offense now? |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 217
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| there's still only like a handful of dudes in the league that can defend... |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 223
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| None, but that hardly means he's dominant. David Lee.... |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 224
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| Do either one of those guys make 57% of their baskets? I didn't... |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 227
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| Aww, don't be like that. I'm just sayin. |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 229
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| 20ppg when you make almost 60% of your shots IS dominant... |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 232
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| no, it's not...but okay |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 233
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| okayplayer. |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 235
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| the argument you're making for Durant is the same argument |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 219
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| Not really. Durant's defense is not even close to being as much a liabil... |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 222
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| This may answer your question about Durant's defense. |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 220
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| and when Ibaka puts up 20+ PPG he'll be a franchise player |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 225
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| You mean just like David Lee? |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 226
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| and lead his team in Rebs and Blks...yeah, then we can talk |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 228
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| right, you gotta come up with like 3 people to do everything... |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 230
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| You have a guy that supposedly does all that, yet can't get a chip. |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 231
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| how long did it take Lebron to get one? |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 234
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| Who gives a fuck about Lebron, we talkin about Dwight. |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 236
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| well you said Lebron and Dwight are the only franchise players... |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 237
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| correction, he's arguing for Durant, who also doesn't have a ring |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 238
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| Yeah, he'll get his chip this year. He's going to be in the best positio... |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 239
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| and you still don't get it. he's a 3-time defensive player of the year..... |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 240
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| is that Lamarcus' excuse? lol |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 204
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| Um, no excuses. I've admitted he needs to board better. |
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Sep 05th 2012 | 211
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| It all depends on how you define franchise |
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