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125. "I agree. The acting and visuals covered for a weird, cautious film"
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Mon Mar-19-18 02:16 PM by Nodima

  

          

had to write my thoughts out after finally seeing this last night on HBO.

2.5/5

I DO have to admit that when I checked the time-stamp and realized there was still an hour left in the film and a normal-length film'd have already elapsed by then, I wasn't particularly let down. Sure, every damn scene is formulaic to a tee to that point. Trevor battles against bureaucracy (a mantle he takes up once Diana is done with her same battles during the mercifully brief opening sequence) while Diana rambles like a madwoman about Aries and takes in the world with the childlike wonder of a Disney princess; at times, she even views the battlefield the way Belle might a set of teacups. But I have to admit that I don't understand the criticism of Gadot here, and her fierce commitment to glory paired with Trevor's fierce commitment to the greater virtues of humanity makes for a charming if convoluted romantic comedy wrapped around shotguns and the male gaze.

The thing that holds all that back from working completely is that Gadot's Wonder Woman clearly knows what the "modern" (circa 1944) world is; she speaks every language, she can track ammunition that travels faster than anything she's ever seen with nothing more than her eyesight, she smirks and shrugs every time Trevor drops an innuendo and she seems to completely understand how meditative and apprehensive first times are between male and female leads in big budget action films. Her ignorance of the world is played up merely for comedic effect, and forgotten whenever it's convenient to either the plot of the film or the conventions of the genre. It makes for a confusing environment that makes the whole thing feel quite without stakes, an odd feeling to have in a superhero film centered around the final days of World War II in which a rogue German general possibly possessed by the God of War aims to drop a hydrogen bomb on the front lines just as the world prepares for peace.

In other words, welcome to the delicate world of DC Comics as a filmic enterprise. For every step forward, there's AT LEAST one step back.

Enough people have interrogated the movie on its feminist merits - or lack thereof - at this point that it's just piling on to go any further. There is another side to the movie, the one that inevitably comes to the fore during what some would probably argue is the real Wonder Woman movie. For that first hour and a half, Wonder Woman is mostly a sideshow to her own film, a folly for Chris Pine to bounce his charm off of and the modern world to bounce their incredulity off of as all the men around her scoff at the mere thought she might study languages. The image of Diana near literally dancing with the Devil with a sword sheathed inside her form-fitting dress is comical enough, but this is a comic book movie after all. With that one superlatively silly moment, Diana is done listening, done waiting and ready to kick some ass the way she really doesn't get to other than a single scene in the middle of the film.

Or at least one would like to think so; instead, we get a deconstruction of hero myths, humanity and the inevitability of war that's a bridge too far. This is a single comic book film in a massive comic book franchise - please, skip the proselytizing over the meaning of conflict. Without conflict, the whole thing is pointless, so let's just get on with it.

Finally, in the final twenty minutes, the audience gets what it thinks it wants. Wonder Woman kicking ass. This of course means that we have to endure a lot of awful (and it's awful in such a weird, almost cool way that the clever among us can trick ourselves into enjoying it) DCEU-brand CGI and slow-mo that never looks quite as cool as it wants to and, inevitably, way too much of that god awful Wonder Woman theme song and its variants (my definition of too much: more than zero). And even in these moments, its a lot more of Wonder Woman getting beat up than the other way around.

It's also in these moments that Gadot often acquits herself least, whether its her lithe figure (I'm not sure women, or even men, should be held to the standards the superhero genre has set, but she just looks so NORMAL in her power armor) or the amount of range that's asked of her acting. I admit I was personally surprised she carried the comedy so stoutly and yet waffled on the drama, but maybe I've just heard too many comedians on podcasts over the years explain how much more difficult comedy is than drama.

Wonder Woman is a more fleet movie than its runtime suggests, and it's completely fair to be happy to have a major female superhero even considering all the ways this movie's script actively antagonizes that proposal, but it's also just as vapid as all the other modern DC movies have been at a macro level. Its admirable that Jenkins found ways to have fun in the oppressively dark atmosphere of DC's current cinematic universe, but the final scene makes it clear to the audience she managed that in spite of whatever weight was on top of her. If anyone comes out of this movie looking like a true Wonder Woman, it's her.



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Wonder Woman (Patty fucking Jenkins, 2017) [View all] , bwood, Fri May-19-17 02:06 AM
 
Subject Author Message Date ID
RE: Wonder Woman (Patty fucking Jenkins, 2017)
Feb 29th 2016
1
I don't see that ever happening. Ever.
Feb 29th 2016
2
i don't see how that's beneficial to Marvel
Feb 29th 2016
3
enough of the "marvel can't fail" mentality
Feb 29th 2016
4
RE: enough of the "marvel can't fail" mentality
Jul 23rd 2016
6
Marvel doesn't need to do EVERYTHING
Jul 26th 2016
10
Trailer niggas
Jul 23rd 2016
5
Looks good, WW was the one of the best parts of BvS
Jul 24th 2016
7
very good trailer, acting seems a bit choppy but we'll see
Jul 25th 2016
8
This has genuinely shocked me at how good it looks.
Jul 25th 2016
9
Ten bucks says WB finds a way to fuck this up.
Aug 05th 2016
11
So what's the over/under that this will be good
Oct 31st 2016
12
While this admittedly means absolutely nothing...
Oct 31st 2016
13
      I seriously hope that's true.
Oct 31st 2016
14
      It's a very challenging over/under
Nov 01st 2016
15
      I think there will be less micromanaging around, thus a good movie
Nov 01st 2016
16
           I wouldn't say a "given"...
Nov 01st 2016
17
WONDER WOMAN - Official Trailer
Nov 03rd 2016
18
not for me
Nov 03rd 2016
19
First trailer looked better
Nov 03rd 2016
20
RE: First trailer looked better
Nov 03rd 2016
24
Yeah dawg that theme music sucks
Nov 03rd 2016
27
DC usually has really good trailers.
Nov 03rd 2016
21
Brace yourself for Captain America comparisons
Nov 03rd 2016
22
Don't mind it. It was an underrated flick
Nov 03rd 2016
25
      I really like Captain America: The First Avenger
Nov 03rd 2016
29
           I gotcha. Just wanted to praise da Cap-Gawd
Nov 04th 2016
31
Hmm. I dunno, man
Nov 03rd 2016
23
looks awesome
Nov 03rd 2016
26
First trailer was more hype, but this was good too.
Nov 03rd 2016
28
obviously the all doom and gloom brigade will nitpick this shit to death
Nov 04th 2016
30
I like it better than the first trailer, but I'm still worried about the...
Nov 04th 2016
32
Thank goddess Chris Pine is there to crack jokes
Nov 04th 2016
34
As long as it's better than BvS, it's a win, right?
Nov 04th 2016
33
"RUH ROH" © - Scooby Doo
Jan 17th 2017
35
You don't often see a love story?
Jan 17th 2017
36
      Na fuck that
Jan 17th 2017
37
      so that girl was on an obscure podcast on the internet saying that
Jan 18th 2017
38
           LOL.
Jan 18th 2017
39
           she didn't say that it wasn't true
Jan 18th 2017
40
RE: Wonder Woman (Patty fucking Jenkins, 2017)
Mar 10th 2017
41
WONDER WOMAN - Official Origin Trailer
Mar 11th 2017
42
I remain unconvinced she can carry a movie
Mar 12th 2017
43
looks great. gal's acting here seems a bit better
Mar 12th 2017
44
RE: WONDER WOMAN - Official Origin Trailer
Mar 13th 2017
45
it's already better than SS and BvS
Mar 13th 2017
46
shit look hard as mf.
Mar 13th 2017
47
First reactions are stellar
May 18th 2017
48
A non-comic book fan I know saw it last week and really liked it
May 19th 2017
49
the people who have seen it seem to agree that DC finally has a good one
May 19th 2017
50
of course its good
May 19th 2017
52
Happy for WB, Happy for female heroes in general
May 19th 2017
53
Glad to hear this because I was getting worried
May 19th 2017
54
      RE: Glad to hear this because I was getting worried
May 19th 2017
55
           HYPERBOLIC GARBAGGGGGGEEEEEE
May 22nd 2017
57
           Too bad 90% of them turned out to be true
May 22nd 2017
58
                you literally posted a fake rumor a few posts above
May 22nd 2017
61
                     Nigga remember how you bitched and cried about how
May 22nd 2017
62
                          still losing sleep over old ass forum fights i see
May 22nd 2017
63
                               You got more patience than me, fam.
May 22nd 2017
64
                               see what? links to all these websites that post bullshit about
May 22nd 2017
66
                               Still in here defending wack ass movies I see
May 22nd 2017
65
This shit was FUCKING AWESOME!!!
May 22nd 2017
56
This makes me feel pretty good.
May 22nd 2017
59
Lightening it the fuck up helped immensly.
May 22nd 2017
60
      >CAN SEE the action.
May 23rd 2017
67
Full review
May 30th 2017
68
I predict an alt right/men's rights meltdown over this.
Jun 01st 2017
69
Snowflakes ❄️
Jun 02nd 2017
70
I can't wait ot find out how dc fanboys spin everyone liking this
Jun 03rd 2017
71
Disney stopped paying critics to write those bad reviews.
Jun 03rd 2017
72
Disney's only laying off their Critic Payment Plan
Jun 03rd 2017
75
well obvs
Jun 05th 2017
87
Very few people believe there is an active conspiracy.
Jun 05th 2017
83
      The bias thing is ridiculous.
Jun 05th 2017
85
      the bias is that DC has kept putting out shitty movies
Jun 05th 2017
86
           These DC niggas are crazy man
Jun 05th 2017
89
           You said it, so i'll leave it.
Jun 06th 2017
93
           It's not a DC vs Marvel thing.
Jun 08th 2017
98
                Now it all makes sense
Jun 08th 2017
99
definitely the best film in the DCEU.
Jun 03rd 2017
73
Quite good, and obviously by miles the best DCEU film.
Jun 03rd 2017
74
This was so noticeable compared to the other DCEU films
Jun 03rd 2017
76
There were honest to God laughs in the theater
Jun 03rd 2017
77
Everyone involved ought to be proud
Jun 03rd 2017
78
oh wow it was good. just like i said it would be
Jun 04th 2017
79
Stop being corny.
Jun 04th 2017
81
LOL
Jun 08th 2017
97
      you on the mouse house's payroll too i see
Jun 09th 2017
103
very well done
Jun 04th 2017
80
A
Jun 04th 2017
82
Great flick. Best DCeU film to date. Best DC film since The Dark Knight...
Jun 05th 2017
84
SPOILER!
Jun 06th 2017
90
yeah I was worried about gadot but she crushed it
Jun 10th 2017
107
Would any one say it was similar to a marvel movie?
Jun 05th 2017
88
I had that same feeling to about the final fight scenes.
Jun 06th 2017
91
no because it didn't look like a tv show.
Jun 06th 2017
92
Great until the trash ending *spoilers*
Jun 06th 2017
94
SPOILERS
Jun 06th 2017
95
I loved Ares. Loved the casting, loved the execution.
Jun 08th 2017
101
i liked him well enough
Jun 09th 2017
104
I just didn't feel like it was set up well at all.
Jun 10th 2017
106
RE: Great until the trash ending *spoilers*
Jun 09th 2017
105
3/5. pretty good but those putting it in the same conversation as
Jun 07th 2017
96
RE: 3/5. pretty good but those putting it in the same conversation as
Jun 08th 2017
100
what's the worst think piece you've seen?
Jun 09th 2017
102
the armpit hair thing trumps them all
Jun 10th 2017
108
that hotep piece was hot gah-bage.
Jun 10th 2017
109
Really liked it - the final 1/3 kept me from loving it
Jun 12th 2017
110
Unfortunately suffers from Marvel's greatest weakness
Jun 12th 2017
111
Also, I think this is a fantastic contrast companion to Man of Steel
Jun 12th 2017
112
Saved by great performances in a relatively mediocre movie
Jun 12th 2017
113
man f'real...why these movies so fucking LONG?
Jun 12th 2017
114
DC needs editors
Jun 12th 2017
115
C+
Jun 13th 2017
116
I enjoyed it but it's not better than Cap 1
Jul 08th 2017
117
RE: I enjoyed it but it's not better than Cap 1
Sep 22nd 2017
121
RE: I enjoyed it but it's not better than Cap 1
Sep 23rd 2017
123
overrated af.
Sep 05th 2017
118
THANK YOU!
Sep 05th 2017
119
Very
Sep 23rd 2017
124
finally saw it -- it was pretty good
Sep 05th 2017
120
one scene that stands out as funny to me
Sep 22nd 2017
122

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