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obsidianchrysalis
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"Is the genius of women musicians discounted in comparison to men?"


  

          

The podcast, Still Processing (with Jenna Wortham and Wesley Morris of the NY Times), brought up the idea of genius. They said that the label of genius is overwhelmingly given to men and while artists like Aretha Franklin, Nina Simone, and Beyonce changed the course of music they aren't held in the same light as other musicians that are men who have done the same.

It wasn't until a Billboard study that came out last year that researched the gender demographics that I realized how overwhelming male the music industry is. Since men are framing the conversations of music criticism and male culture is unfortunately littered with biases against women it seems reasonable that the common definition of musical genius discounts the accomplishments and innovations of women.

I know I'm guilty of this as well. It's rare to see women instrumentalists and also songwriters and producers. All of the popular and great artists who are great musicians that I know of, except for MeShell, are all vocalists and I tend to poopoo vocalists for whatever reason.

After I thought about their comments and my own attitudes it seemed clear that the point is valid. What do you all think?

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Is the genius of women musicians discounted in comparison to men? [View all] , obsidianchrysalis, Wed Jun-20-18 06:21 PM
 
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It coincides with the fact that men built the industry and have always
Jun 20th 2018
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So are you saying that men are heralded as geniuses because...
Jun 21st 2018
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RE: Is the genius of women musicians discounted in comparison to men?
Jun 21st 2018
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I agree that women get respect but at least I don't see them...
Jun 21st 2018
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      RE: I agree that women get respect but at least I don't see them...
Jun 21st 2018
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Seems that way with a lot of people, which is why I purposely mention
Jun 21st 2018
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RE: Seems that way with a lot of people, which is why I purposely mentio...
Jun 21st 2018
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cmon andre
Jun 22nd 2018
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      Correction:
Jun 22nd 2018
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      and that 2nd solo album does NOTHING as far as a comparison w/3000
Jul 05th 2018
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           As far as rapping, it's comparable to Love Below.
Jul 05th 2018
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      I don't quite remember making that comp
Jun 23rd 2018
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      You definitely helped. Thanks lol.
Jun 24th 2018
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      Big only has two albums. Number of albums is not the criteria
Jun 27th 2018
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Co-sign most of this, but some points on Aretha...
Jun 27th 2018
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      RE: points on Aretha...
Jun 27th 2018
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           Didn’t know she was on piano for Young Gifted and Black
Jun 28th 2018
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                it's worth remembering
Jul 05th 2018
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Are we limiting the scope to black women?
Jun 22nd 2018
9
Wesley and the guest host kept the discussion to Black women
Jun 23rd 2018
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esperanza spalding thinks so
Jun 22nd 2018
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I could imagine those scenarios play out a lot with woman musicians
Jun 23rd 2018
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We use the word genius too much these days
Jun 24th 2018
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I think female voices can be genius on their own.
Jun 24th 2018
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Aretha Franklin, Bessie Smith,Carol King,Valerie Simpson
Jun 24th 2018
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Using the word "genius" colloquially was a white guy thing
Jun 28th 2018
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Beyonce?
Jun 29th 2018
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Exhibit A right today: Me'Shell Ndegeocello
Jul 05th 2018
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^^^^^^
Jul 05th 2018
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For Women in Jazz, a Year of Reckoning and Recognition
Sep 26th 2018
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No mention of Yazz Ahmed?
Sep 26th 2018
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      Yazz Ahmed on facing down sexism in jazz
Oct 02nd 2018
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