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Jakob Hellberg
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43. "RE: my 'problem' with band of gypsies wasn't hendrix. "
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Sat Sep-07-13 09:37 PM by Jakob Hellberg

          

>was he playing with band of gypsies on "crash landing" and
>"first rays of the new morning sun?" i also dig that new
>"Neptune" album that was released recently.

"Crash Landing" to a large extent is based on producer Alan Douglas overdubbing new music to barely-finished Hendrix-tracks. However, the two BoG-songs on the record (="With the power/Power of soul" and "Message to love") are largely authentic even if I think the percussion was overdubbed. Much of the rest is other guys replacing the OG backing-tracks and I've heard rumours that much of this had to do with Douglas beefing with Mitchell and-to a lesser extent-Redding over the way Hendrix legacy was treated; by removing them from the package, they didn't get performer-credit for the songs...

Anyway, many of the songs on the last two Hendrix-posthumous albums are tracks from these records done without overdubs from outsiders but it's worth pointing out that many songs are cut-and-paste jobs with producer Eddie Kramer using numerous different takes and also the time-stretching function (not available in the 70's to Douglas obviously) to make various tracks fit in terms of timing (time-stretching allows you to change the tempo without changing the pitch).

For example, the great version of "Somewhere" on "People..." has Kramer combining a newly discovered instrumental backing track that Steven Stills sold the label-he plays bass-with the previously released, rugged version available on the boxset (seriously, Mitchell's drumming on that track is wack as fuck but in his defense, he was trying to fit his drums after Jimi's death unto a loose demo-recording not meant for general consumption)-it's not really "Real" Hendrix-performances and that's the issue I have:While I dig hearing those songs as nice as possible, new technology has also made it possible for them to repackage the same shit over and over with slight differences.

As for "First Rays...", it's primarily a combination of the Cry of Love and "Rainbw Bridge"-albums released shortly after Jimi's death and those were the most finished songs available even if Mitchell overdubbed many drum-tracks in '71 (=the songs where Buddy Miles played drums; while I prefer Mitchell overall, Miles drumming on "Earth blues" as heard on the boxset and in a more stripped-down form on "People..." is SO much better than Mitchell's-the latter seemed to miss the gospel/soul-vibe and instead just plays fancy fills and shit which misses the point of *that* song) and several songs were, again, either unfinished or posthumous hatchet jobs. Still, I *think* most of those songs were closed to finished even if it is impossible to know of course...
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I found the essential Jimi Hendrix vol.2 cassette at the salvation army [View all] , Strangeways, Thu Sep-05-13 09:48 PM
 
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RE: I found the essential Jimi Hendrix vol.2 cassette at the salvation a...
Sep 07th 2013
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You just used the word "ratchet?"
Sep 07th 2013
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      RE: You just used the word "ratchet?"
Sep 07th 2013
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           Well, what kind of reply did you want?
Sep 07th 2013
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           RE: Well, what kind of reply did you want?
Sep 07th 2013
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           this is why people don't reply to you n/m
Sep 07th 2013
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           and you dont speak for EVERYBODY........
Sep 07th 2013
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           believing Prince is a better guitarist than Jimi Hendrix means
Sep 07th 2013
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                real posting
Sep 07th 2013
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           RE: this is why people don't reply to you n/m
Sep 07th 2013
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                apparent personal attacks aside this is a serious critique
Sep 07th 2013
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           If you had posted "Prince is a better guitarist than Jimi"
Sep 07th 2013
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                get the fuck outta my face with that TRASH......
Sep 07th 2013
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                     Fam you posted "Machine Gun"
Sep 07th 2013
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                     You can swear at me all you want, I'm just being
Sep 07th 2013
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                          FYI...I posted that main title because I thought that it was a RARE jimi
Sep 08th 2013
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                               http://www.ebay.com/itm/JIMI-HENDRIX-ESSENTIAL-VOLUME-TWO-2-TAPE-/150550...
Sep 08th 2013
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                                    LMAO!
Sep 08th 2013
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           hendrix could have never done what Prince did with...................
Sep 07th 2013
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                so?
Sep 07th 2013
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                     the only problem that I had was hendrix is that he didnt have any funk
Sep 07th 2013
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                          Aight, now I got problems.
Sep 07th 2013
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                          RE: Aight, now I got problems.
Sep 07th 2013
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                               Like hell he did.
Sep 07th 2013
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                                    and YOU LEARN ABOUT FUNK BEFORE YOU GO OFF
Sep 07th 2013
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                                    obviously, you dont know a damn thing about FUNK
Sep 07th 2013
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                                         Why would I think that?
Sep 07th 2013
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                                              cuz the fact that you would even say that machine gun proves just that.....
Sep 07th 2013
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                          why did hendrix HAVE to have funk?
Sep 07th 2013
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                          RE: why did hendrix HAVE to have funk?
Sep 07th 2013
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                          see what i mean, Joe tries to actually engage on your terms
Sep 07th 2013
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                          that just means you like funk more than rock.
Sep 07th 2013
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                               if anything
Sep 07th 2013
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                                    he lived completely inside his own head.
Sep 07th 2013
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                          I dont knock hendrix for anything that he did.....
Sep 07th 2013
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                          With Band of Gypsys, he was bringing more blues/soul
Sep 07th 2013
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                               my 'problem' with band of gypsies wasn't hendrix.
Sep 07th 2013
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                                         thanks.
Sep 07th 2013
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                          Hendrix didn't have ANY funk? Like ANY at ALL?
Sep 07th 2013
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           RE: You just used the word "ratchet?"
Sep 07th 2013
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wow.
Sep 07th 2013
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what happened here?
Sep 07th 2013
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My bad.
Sep 07th 2013
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      I mean dude wanted the post not to tank right?
Sep 07th 2013
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what is going on in here???
Sep 07th 2013
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consider the source:
Sep 07th 2013
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The mix of "Wild Thing" that's on this album is my best of...
Sep 08th 2013
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