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91. "RE: You're being generous about the quality of my thinking."
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>True. Kinda blows my theory out of the water, in fact.

It's why I'm here. This is fun to talk about anyway, so thanks for kicking off an interesting subject.

>Yeah, you just described me, basically. I am in fact, a
>(slightly) redneck jock who looooooooooves Pantera. (Although
>the "popular ascendance of Metallica" is precisely when I
>stopped listening to them--I don't want soft introspection,
>James, I want to ride the goddamn lightning!) But "built-in
>aggression and fuck-all-y'all attitude?" Check and check.

Yup. And nothing wrong with that either! But I definitely fall more to the introspective, introverted music geek type, so after a brief dalliance with them in high school (when I was still figuring out what I was, or what I might turn out to be), I lost interest in Pantera, and tough guy metal in general. It just seems like a less-interesting thing to do with a genre that has larger, funkier potential. It's nerdy and weird, I know, but give me gore lyrics, college freshman-level philosophizing, Satan worship, or most anything else over "step to me and you get punched, SUCKA!" I still do like a lot of "Cowboys," anyway, but after that they lose me.

>I think it might be worth drawing a line, particular in the
>'80s and early '90s, between US/UK bands and European bands.
>Where I grew up, in rural Virginia, we didn't hear ANYTHING
>from Europe. We didn't even know bands such as Bathory
>existed, for the most part. We had thrash, Florida death,
>Motorhead and Maiden, and that was about it. Nobody, to my
>knowledge, knew anything about the Scandinavian scene. I
>imagine folks in big cities knew what was going on, but out in
>the sticks, not at all.

True of a lot of places, I think. Some trve kvltists bitch about the internet because now everything's so accessible, maaaaan, and you don't EARN YOUR KNOWLEDGE. Whatever. The upside - that you can explore all the regional scenes, hear obscure demos, and crawl down into so many nooks and crannies - is so massive to me. When I originally listened to metal, pre-internet, I was basically limited to what people thrust in front of me. So, again: Metallica and the others in the Big Four; Queensryche and Maiden (the Bruce Dickinson years); a little US death metal, particularly Cannibal Corpse and Carcass; and rather randomly, Napalm Death. I ran into a few other odds and ends during the brief period that I read Kerrang and Metal Hammer, but it was so much work and there was still so much I knew nothing about. When I got back into it some years later, the internet opened my eyes in a big way. In fact, I would have been lost in all of the above conversation in my pre-internet years. Even though I was into metal, I wasn't truly All The Way Into Metal. Few were... it took a whole lot of effort to do that - trading demo tapes with guys overseas, buying zines, learning to read Swedish just to get good recommendations, etc.

>...at least now, in 2013. Nowadays when I go to shows I find
>comfy spots to sit in the back of the venue, on account of
>being old and creaky, which makes for good people watching.
>Which I did a lot of last night (Bodom, AA, Emmure, Job for a
>Cowboy, a couple others), and two things were clear: one, I
>wasn't the oldest guy there, but I was surely in the 98th
>percentile; and two, 98% of the crowd was quite obviously in
>the introverted, not-popular-at-school category.

Yeah, I think the internet facilitated that, too! It seems like metalheads used to be a mix of burnouts and introverts, but a lot of the burnouts moved on to become juggalos or nu-metal fans or whatever, while the introvert crowd just grew and grew as an ideal tool for the facilitation of "metal studies" became available...

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copped their album. solid but I don't really revisit
Jul 26th 2013
1
post tracks and other posters critique: Amenra - Boden:
Jul 26th 2013
2
Doomy. I dig lost goth waifs wandering naked in the forest though.
Jul 26th 2013
4
Eh. I wouldn't travel to see them. Maybe an in-town show.
Jul 26th 2013
3
Also, "Kill 'Em All" turned 30 this month.
Jul 26th 2013
5
Feeling oldest of all: James Hetfield. *nm*
Jul 26th 2013
9
I find them kind of mediocre and plastic.
Jul 26th 2013
6
You don't have to tell Bin about High On Fire!!! lol
Jul 26th 2013
7
It's possible I'm a little too into this stuff. *nm*
Jul 26th 2013
8
well damn! tell me how you really feel!
Jul 26th 2013
12
i listened to every one.
Jul 26th 2013
13
Glad I could point you to some stuff you like. :)
Jul 26th 2013
14
pentagram is a dc band. & imma dc head
Jul 27th 2013
17
First daze here comp is amazing...
Jul 28th 2013
19
      RE: First daze here comp is amazing...
Jul 28th 2013
22
Here's another - Castle
Jul 27th 2013
16
BOO!!!
Jul 28th 2013
18
      I agree, and was surprised by that
Jul 28th 2013
24
      This Graveyard album is really good
Jul 29th 2013
47
damn just got around to listening to most of these. can't believe Spirit
Jul 29th 2013
44
      If you dig Wino...
Jul 30th 2013
52
           I've been meaning to check Saint Vitus out because I do like
Jul 30th 2013
54
                LOL, I wouldn't call them hugely famous...
Jul 30th 2013
56
                     Good summation!
Jul 30th 2013
59
                     Or how about how doom bands get even more stripped down
Jul 30th 2013
61
                     Yeah, the punk-fixation with doom comes through in early Melvins...
Jul 30th 2013
63
                          That first Dream Death album is great!
Jul 30th 2013
65
                     Ha interesting. They were recreating Sabbath 'before it was cool'
Jul 30th 2013
60
                          They were simultaneously behind-and ahead-of their time...
Jul 30th 2013
62
How about Ghost B.C.?
Jul 26th 2013
10
Imagine Slipknot crossed with the Beach Boys.
Jul 26th 2013
11
lol
Jul 29th 2013
35
Purists have turned on them completely
Jul 26th 2013
15
Nah, the first one was decent...
Jul 28th 2013
20
Thanks for the responses
Jul 28th 2013
28
      No, go see them. Live they are great.
Jul 28th 2013
29
           ^This. n/m
Jul 29th 2013
31
All Pigs Must Die.
Jul 28th 2013
21
Yeadat.
Jul 29th 2013
33
      nvm dropped at a later date on itunes. will cop tonight
Jul 29th 2013
37
Somebody put me on to something new.
Jul 28th 2013
23
This sounds like a new thread, basically.
Jul 28th 2013
25
Well, I don't know if this board can support two active metal threads...
Jul 28th 2013
26
      I'm absolutely loving the new Gorguts album
Jul 29th 2013
30
      Appreciate it.
Jul 29th 2013
39
      so do you like the more melodic / anthemy stuff like Ghost Brigade
Jul 29th 2013
34
      Yeah...kinda hit or miss...
Jul 29th 2013
40
      I'll just throw some names out
Jul 29th 2013
36
           Yo I love Ulcerate. Burning Skies was on repeat last year.
Jul 29th 2013
38
           Cool. Lemme work my way through all this.
Jul 29th 2013
41
Check out Christicide's new album, UPHEAVAL OF THE SOUL
Jul 30th 2013
116
      Listening now...yeah, I'm digging this.
Jul 30th 2013
117
even tho I don't fk with metal much any more.. im enjoying this post
Jul 29th 2013
32
i believe i have 1 of yall to thank for intro'ing me to orange goblin
Jul 29th 2013
42
just started listening to metal. what are the seminal metal albums?
Jul 29th 2013
43
this is gonna start some arguments
Jul 29th 2013
45
I always liked South of heaven more than Seasons...
Jul 30th 2013
51
      I'm with you
Jul 30th 2013
55
I'd listen to all of these in this (basically chronological) order
Jul 29th 2013
46
      Thumbs up for Storm of the Light's Bane
Jul 29th 2013
48
      Now that's a great list!!!
Jul 30th 2013
50
           I ALMOST put in Voivod, because I love them...
Jul 30th 2013
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           i have a few voivod albums on wax...
Jul 30th 2013
70
           And also
Jul 30th 2013
57
           I had Godflesh "Streetcleaner" as a kid
Jul 30th 2013
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           Godflesh>>>>>>NIN *and* Ministry...
Jul 30th 2013
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                Streetcleaner is worth revisiting
Jul 30th 2013
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                I meant to write that they were better than those bands...
Jul 30th 2013
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                     Funny you should mention that...
Jul 30th 2013
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                          It's a good album
Jul 30th 2013
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                               I never fooled with them that much.
Jul 30th 2013
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                                    Title track & one of the best from the album -
Jul 30th 2013
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                PURE!!!!!!!!!
Sep 29th 2013
137
           Classic OKP brainfart right here:
Jul 30th 2013
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                LOL, yes, I meant that one!
Jul 30th 2013
104
                     That's hilarious
Jul 30th 2013
106
Two new bands I just got up on: one hard, one soft (pause that shit)
Jul 30th 2013
49
I'm proud of us for making this thread viable.
Jul 30th 2013
67
I saw Amon Amarth for the first time last night.
Jul 30th 2013
69
Holy shit the band looks like a series of before and after pics
Jul 30th 2013
72
      Vikings, man.
Jul 30th 2013
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           fuck yeah that's the best kind of metal
Jul 30th 2013
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                This band is worth your time
Jul 30th 2013
                I tend to agree.
Jul 30th 2013
78
                     Interesting germ of a theory there
Jul 30th 2013
79
                     Buck has a good kernel for a theory but this is a good point:
Jul 30th 2013
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                     Generally agree but...
Jul 30th 2013
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                     That's fascinating.
Jul 30th 2013
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                     You're being generous about the quality of my thinking.
Jul 30th 2013
84
                          So the germans didn't register at all?
Jul 30th 2013
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                          Again, maybe in the cities.
Jul 30th 2013
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                               It's fascinating to me.
Jul 30th 2013
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                                    But this is quite an exaggeration:
Jul 30th 2013
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                                    The big difference, I think, is the record store part.
Jul 30th 2013
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                                    Yeah, and it wasn't just your typical record-store either...
Aug 02nd 2013
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                                         That EP is great.
Aug 03rd 2013
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                                    RE: But this is quite an exaggeration:
Jul 30th 2013
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                                         Yeah, all of that.
Jul 30th 2013
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                                         lmao
Jul 30th 2013
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                                         Yeah, I apologize...
Aug 02nd 2013
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                                              No reason to apologize.
Aug 02nd 2013
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                                    Midwest.
Jul 30th 2013
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                                         All of this:
Jul 30th 2013
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                     LOL, I've actually never been a big fan of viking metal...
Jul 30th 2013
83
                          Adding on to my previous post, above:
Jul 30th 2013
86
                               no mention of Kirk huh? lol
Jul 30th 2013
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                               Well, name a legendary, iconic Kirk solo.
Jul 30th 2013
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                                    Rust In Peace is still incredible. Mustaine is a ginger beast.
Jul 30th 2013
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                                         Well, I don't play guitar, so....
Jul 30th 2013
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                                              If anything I'd say he's less well-regarded by guitarists.
Jul 30th 2013
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                                                   I always liked his solos...
Aug 02nd 2013
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                                                        Jason Becker. I had that on cassette.
Aug 03rd 2013
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                                                        That's completely fair
Aug 03rd 2013
129
                                                             Guitarsolos in more extreme metal is a difficult issue overall I think.....
Aug 03rd 2013
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                                                                  Fredrik Thordendal.
Aug 03rd 2013
131
                               Reply #91
Jul 30th 2013
94
Aight, your single all-time favorite metal track:
Jul 30th 2013
90
Well that's just insane.
Jul 30th 2013
93
Suicidal Tendencies - You Can't Bring Me Down
Jul 30th 2013
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too ez, drill sgt!
Jul 30th 2013
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Mine:
Jul 30th 2013
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Dammit...I can't choose one.....
Jul 30th 2013
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Cheating, but solid choices.
Jul 30th 2013
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damn i cant front on NONE of these LOL
Jul 30th 2013
114
      He still had two on that track.
Jul 30th 2013
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           RE: He still had two on that track.
Jul 30th 2013
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           RE: He still had two on that track.
Jul 30th 2013
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Krallice - "Dimensional Bleedthrough"
Jul 30th 2013
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PROBABLY this one:
Aug 03rd 2013
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GATDAMNY! this motherfucker blew up! LOL nm
Jul 30th 2013
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Emperor reuniting for shows in '14, headlining Wacken.
Aug 02nd 2013
121
GORGUTS!!!!
Sep 06th 2013
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I haven't head it yet...
Sep 06th 2013
133
New Carcass streaming.
Sep 09th 2013
134
Shit's ok...
Sep 28th 2013
135
Necroticism was my introduction to Carcass.
Sep 29th 2013
136
the best metal album in 2013, so far.
Sep 30th 2013
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