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Bblock
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""why couldn't we treat samplin' like session musicians?""


  

          

listenin' to the man machine by kraftwerk this mornin', that thought arose
for those that don't knkow
the man machine is the sample for rockin' it, by the treacherous three

like, to me, isn't that the essence of black folk music?
we hear some shit we like
and think we can rock it better, the way we like
so we take some song, and treat them like they're our session musicians
and we go in over it

i mean, isn't the original music just a bunch of session musicians anyway?

why pay the artist or owner more than what they paid to make the song?
lol
fuckin' capitalism, you got to love it
of course, when you get into copyrights and all that
it becomes murky
but a wonderful world of hip hop this would be if you could just pay for the sample like it was just a bunch of session musicians

life always offers you a 2nd chance...it's called tomorrow. use it wisely

  

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"why couldn't we treat samplin' like session musicians?" [View all] , Bblock, Wed Feb-29-12 09:50 AM
 
Subject Author Message Date ID
How long before sampling, as we know it, is dead?
Feb 29th 2012
1
don't you believe it. i used to think timbaland didn't sample...pshaw
Feb 29th 2012
5
lol. Dude said "young hot producer" and you started talking about
Feb 29th 2012
32
      they were young and hot once
Feb 29th 2012
33
Sampling as I know it will never be dead
Feb 29th 2012
8
It'd be nice if the best rappers rocked on those kinda beats though
Feb 29th 2012
9
      Or no MC at all, but I know how some feel about that..................lo...
Feb 29th 2012
10
      RE: It'd be nice if the best rappers rocked on those kinda beats though
Feb 29th 2012
15
more of the latter and less of the former
Feb 29th 2012
42
      It felt for a short little while, there were more "hip hop" beats in R&B...
Feb 29th 2012
47
RE: David Axelrod suggested beatmakers hire arrangers.
Feb 29th 2012
2
The problem is, producers fees have gone WAY down in the last 5 years
Feb 29th 2012
3
RE: Right, because nobody wants to pay clearance fees.
Feb 29th 2012
4
      It's not even about clearance fees. It's about labels de-valuing produce...
Feb 29th 2012
7
      because in beat driven music that is what happens
Feb 29th 2012
11
      Kinda like Jon Brion on Late Registration?
Feb 29th 2012
31
           RE: Is that what he did? I don't know.
Mar 01st 2012
93
could you explain' this concept more?
Feb 29th 2012
14
RE: Well, from what I understand about David Axelrod's idea:
Feb 29th 2012
20
      RE: Well, from what I understand about David Axelrod's idea:
Feb 29th 2012
37
           who is kevin lewis?
Feb 29th 2012
43
                RE: Kevin or Ken. . . who is he?
Mar 01st 2012
94
                     Ken Lewis is a guitar player...he works with Just Blaze a lot.
Mar 01st 2012
104
                     Here's an interview I did with Ken Lewis
Mar 01st 2012
113
                          RE: Excellent.
Mar 02nd 2012
154
sugestions like that prove ppl don't get it
Mar 09th 2012
171
samplin was always the cheap turkeys way out
Feb 29th 2012
6
RE: samplin was always the cheap turkeys way out
Feb 29th 2012
12
folks that do it well are real song writers and arrangers, though.
Feb 29th 2012
17
no they aren't because Real Songwriting and arranging is timeless
Feb 29th 2012
18
      eh.
Feb 29th 2012
28
RE: samplin was always the cheap turkeys way out
Feb 29th 2012
21
      Rappers delight and the Message are looking at you sideways
Feb 29th 2012
49
           "Rappers Delight" is a bad example though...
Feb 29th 2012
50
           Sylvia Robinson had in house musicians at her studio FYI
Mar 01st 2012
55
                nobody denies that most obvious fact, but you completely missed
Mar 01st 2012
68
                ^^^^^^^
Mar 01st 2012
111
                that ain't got SHIT to do with the fact that they jacked Chic's cut.
Mar 01st 2012
109
                     Doug Winbush from Living color was playing on it Live
Mar 01st 2012
114
                          wait...ur an r-kelly fan yapping about originality?
Mar 02nd 2012
142
                               R.Kelly is a songwriter, producer, arranger and plays FYI
Mar 02nd 2012
156
           RE: Rappers delight and the Message are looking at you sideways
Mar 01st 2012
67
i got a few sampling questions:
Feb 29th 2012
13
answers.
Feb 29th 2012
36
      thanks
Mar 09th 2012
166
RE: "why couldn't we treat samplin' like session musicians?"
Feb 29th 2012
16
to mr maxx....we're talkin' about rap, not rnb, so your point is moot
Feb 29th 2012
19
B Block, turkey Please, without R&B you ain't got no Rap Music
Mar 01st 2012
56
I don't understand why producers don't just hire musicians and then
Feb 29th 2012
22
> >< <
Feb 29th 2012
26
I've done for years.
Feb 29th 2012
46
its not the same
Mar 10th 2012
172
or people could stop acting like people who rely so much on
Feb 29th 2012
23
i agree with you except
Feb 29th 2012
24
Kayne West is overrated in the real world of Producers
Mar 01st 2012
58
kanye is very much an arranger.
Feb 29th 2012
25
Kanye often doesn't flip or morph anything....
Feb 29th 2012
27
yes... a few of his songs do sound that way.
Feb 29th 2012
29
      CLownYa is overrated and is a fake Producer
Mar 01st 2012
62
           obviously, we disagree.
Mar 01st 2012
73
a Horn player creates in the moment and ain't aided by playing
Mar 01st 2012
63
      reply #72
Mar 01st 2012
77
this ain't that type of post. move on
Feb 29th 2012
30
truth hurts homie...n/m
Feb 29th 2012
34
not concerned with ur truth or agenda, homie
Feb 29th 2012
44
      so it's radical to think that the importance of
Feb 29th 2012
52
           that's not what i'm talkin' about in this post
Mar 01st 2012
54
           you may want to treat them like session musicians....but
Mar 01st 2012
79
                original aint the issue or point, homie
Mar 01st 2012
86
                     sure...the copyright coudl be adjusted....... or
Mar 01st 2012
98
           Man Warren, turkeys scared of being Orignal
Mar 01st 2012
61
           how is beatmaking not original?
Mar 01st 2012
71
                any turkey can ride a beat
Mar 01st 2012
90
                     no, any turkey can't just ride a beat.
Mar 01st 2012
106
                          Clive Davis gave Puffy 75 Million dollar credit line
Mar 01st 2012
115
                               you won't get me to defend puffy.
Mar 02nd 2012
130
                                    Kayne is corny as well please
Mar 02nd 2012
157
                                         i don't know what you want me to say.
Mar 02nd 2012
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                                              RE: i don't know what you want me to say.
Mar 09th 2012
168
truth hurts homie...n/m
Feb 29th 2012
35
      it was a half-truth, at best.
Feb 29th 2012
45
standard beatmaker envy
Feb 29th 2012
38
lol..I find it hilarious that a support of sampling other people's
Feb 29th 2012
51
^^mad
Mar 01st 2012
66
seriously tho, can u produce ANY actual examples...
Mar 01st 2012
69
having an opinion that's different than yours doesn't mean
Mar 01st 2012
76
      how about stealing/compiling some1's music, slapping ur name on it...
Mar 01st 2012
78
           I'm not benefiting from anyone's music with a copyright, nor
Mar 01st 2012
80
           so u never put the possesive "coolidge's" on any of ur comps?
Mar 01st 2012
83
                My name isn't Warren Coolidge...
Mar 01st 2012
84
           You never heard Kanye compare himself to Stevie & Prince?
Mar 06th 2012
162
                he also compared himself to Michael Jackson
Mar 09th 2012
169
                     Crazy, right? Mike CAME UP with that Billie Jean bassline.
Mar 12th 2012
174
RE: lol..I find it hilarious that a support of sampling other people's
Mar 02nd 2012
152
beatmakers ain't nothing but walking tricks until the next
Mar 01st 2012
64
      make a beat nigga
Mar 02nd 2012
125
           that ain't nothing hard to do at all
Mar 02nd 2012
158
Hell no
Feb 29th 2012
40
strong Co Sign with Warren sampling for the most part is
Mar 01st 2012
57
RE: or people could stop acting like people who rely so much on
Mar 02nd 2012
124
another lesson post on sampling...another disaster
Feb 29th 2012
39
RE: another lesson post on sampling...another disaster
Feb 29th 2012
41
turkeys don't know no better because that Slave industry
Mar 01st 2012
65
RE: another lesson post on sampling...another disaster
Feb 29th 2012
53
      props to Brother Warren for telling the truth, Lazy Shiftless turkeys
Mar 01st 2012
60
           neither of you seem to 'get it'
Mar 01st 2012
70
i think ?uest's statement that
Feb 29th 2012
48
forced labor
Mar 01st 2012
59
QUESTION: how do you anti-sampling folks feel about punk rock?
Mar 01st 2012
72
Sampling is just one of those topics lol. I gave up a long time ago
Mar 01st 2012
75
RE: JCM with the sermon.
Mar 01st 2012
95
Fully agreed.
Mar 01st 2012
112
punk rock you at least hit a couple of chords, ain't the same
Mar 01st 2012
119
so what would your opinion of a boards of canada be?
Mar 02nd 2012
127
punk rockers may have not played well...but they played. n/m
Mar 01st 2012
121
      so, that's it?
Mar 02nd 2012
131
           Yes. Playing an instrument is the only way to be ''original'' or creativ...
Mar 02nd 2012
134
           Not sure why the comparison....
Mar 02nd 2012
137
                i think you are deliberatly missing my point.
Mar 02nd 2012
138
                     here's where I see this argument falling off the tracks....
Mar 02nd 2012
147
                          yep, all the REAL sample based artists use their feet instead
Mar 02nd 2012
148
                          could you address my point about pad-based artists above?
Mar 02nd 2012
149
                          that's way over generalizing
Mar 02nd 2012
150
                          okay. I see where we are missing each other.
Mar 02nd 2012
151
*sigh* it's always the purist assholes that derail a post
Mar 01st 2012
74
legally, there's no way to do that...
Mar 01st 2012
81
      RE: legally, there's no way to do that...
Mar 01st 2012
96
to clarify...I'm not anti-Sampling......
Mar 01st 2012
82
still ain't that type post, homie
Mar 01st 2012
85
make your own post for that.
Mar 01st 2012
87
I responded the the original post
Mar 01st 2012
91
      your comprehension is off, homie
Mar 01st 2012
101
           I understand fine... beat makers should stay in their lane....
Mar 01st 2012
102
                NOBODY IN THIS POST SAID THAT!
Mar 01st 2012
103
yet you HAD to make sure to point out its inferiority...
Mar 01st 2012
88
      ok...why does that bother you so much...
Mar 01st 2012
92
           do you really think "nation of millions" sounds anything like sly?
Mar 01st 2012
107
LOL at this thread...
Mar 01st 2012
89
right...lets pay Donald Byrd and the Blackbyrds like session
Mar 01st 2012
97
      ray parker junior was a session musician
Mar 01st 2012
110
           B Block where you stepped in the Mud bro Ham is this
Mar 01st 2012
116
           yeah he was....he was a session musician....not his records...
Mar 01st 2012
117
                tell em Warren, B Block in here playing that's what i call music
Mar 01st 2012
118
                     got nothing against sampling.. but Kanye west ain't no quincy jones
Mar 01st 2012
120
                          my argument was never about originality
Mar 02nd 2012
126
                          your argument may not have been...but the response is about
Mar 02nd 2012
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                               what you don't understand is that i don't care about "originality"
Mar 02nd 2012
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                               do what you want over the original...but if you want to release it
Mar 02nd 2012
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                               Everything you're saying is your own opinion and preferences
Mar 02nd 2012
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                                    all we have is our own opinions and preferences...that's not new.
Mar 02nd 2012
141
                          Teddy Riley comes off like Thom Bell with the mess these turkeys
Mar 02nd 2012
159
i'm not sure i understand the intent of this post...
Mar 01st 2012
99
booop
Mar 01st 2012
100
^^ a clusterfuck.
Mar 01st 2012
105
yeah, me too. At first, I was all like...
Mar 01st 2012
108
post gave me a fucking headache.
Mar 01st 2012
122
I started scrolling halfway through
Mar 02nd 2012
146
wtf happened here?
Mar 01st 2012
123
forced labor
Mar 02nd 2012
128
Good point
Mar 02nd 2012
145
To address this post head-on without the distractions.
Mar 02nd 2012
129
correct.
Mar 02nd 2012
132
"singin' songs from the ghetto...."
Mar 02nd 2012
133
      no offense here.
Mar 06th 2012
165
Yeah. I get what you mean here.
Mar 02nd 2012
135
this post is making afkap smirk.
Mar 02nd 2012
144
can they chop in different keys?
Mar 02nd 2012
153
coolidge: it is harder to be a mediocre musician than a mediocre beatmak...
Mar 02nd 2012
155
lol what a maroon lol
Mar 06th 2012
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      days later mufukkas still catchin feelings.....lol... amazing
Mar 06th 2012
164
           you and maxxx ruined this post
Mar 12th 2012
175
                lol...not a good look to claim somone
Mar 14th 2012
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cuz labels wouldn't get paid that way
Mar 05th 2012
161
"we didnt sample kraftwerk" mike c on - fearless 4-rockin it
Mar 09th 2012
167
interesting, but it's still a replayed "sample"
Mar 09th 2012
170
RE: That makes sense.
Mar 10th 2012
173
I.M.O. 'intellectual property' is monopoly laws
Mar 14th 2012
176
so an individual having the rights to something they created
Mar 14th 2012
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