So many artists get stuck after that first wave
>of ideas because they haven't refined their craft to be able
>to go beyond that.

I always feel that a lack of craft is not a problem as long as your ideas dont need craft to be pulled off. However, when the quality of your ideas is dampened by the lack of craft, there is a BIG problem, no doubt...

However, I justr think there is just as many, if not far more, artists who lose their plot in one way or another once they LEARN the craft that your examples of Jimi and Trane becomes more exceptions than anything else. And honestly, when it comes to Jimi, I suspect he was partially starting to lose it in the end and becoming too concerned with craft. I base that on songs like Night Bird Flying/which is a jam, make no mistake/which were amongst the last things he recorded. It\s like the studio and all its enormous possibilites and him finally getting a chance to master it and be in full control and having the experience to pull it off led to music that to me just lacks the brilliant balance of ragged RAWK attitude and technical skill that his early stuff had. Actually, I feel the same way about most latter Jimi recordings meant as songs. I still dig them but its not Manic Depression so to speak...

As for Coltrane, who knows


>The interplay of craft refinement vs raw talent met head on
>and created something otherworldly that wouldn't have been
>possible without the former.

Agreed and Id say most&all AMAZING artists had a balance. I also think the idea aspect was infinitely more important than the craft aspect and the latter was merely a tool to achieve the former. Of course, the craft was needed to get them there in the first place so I give you that. However, craft as a whole to me still means edges sandpapered off and you as a musician&singer&whatever fitting into an objective idea of skill&beauty&whatever. After all, thats how its recognized as craft or refined in the first place...
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>I dig what you're saying but it just validates bands like
>Animal Collective and shit. It's all great to have ideas and
>inspiration, but refine your craft so that you can execute
>them to the fullest of their potential and see what lies
>beyond that.

But their ideads are not great, they are doing post/modern&post/punk&whatever takes on the ideas of Beach Boys and psych/ Beatles and whatever. Had they had craft, theyd be even more useless and end up as Black Crowes or Lenny Kravitz of their art instead.

Id argue that the lack of craft is what give acts like AC and others in their vein and in most of the whole MODERN \\indie\\ genre for that matter any value whatsoever, its what prevents them from just being revivalists... I think the same about White Stripes and Black Keys even if their music is more to my liking... More craft and they be pub/rock because craft is an objective measurement built on decades of refinements frequently FAR removed from the source/material...
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>Imma stop ramblin now.
>
>Still wanna know your thoughts on that link from the last time
>we were talkin trane.
>

I listened to it on Spotify I think *maybe Im thinking about something else, drop the name again(, it was interesting but I did not find the electronic aspect substantial and I suspect that very aspect is what give them recognition in the first place...


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