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14. "there is hope for Israel/Palestine - Agreed... "
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Tue Jan-31-12 02:56 PM by Artful Dodger

          

in fact I'm surprised no one realized this.

To me the way people reacted to that tour wasn't because they were dope and the show was dope

it was because the option was Justin Timberlake spinning in circles and doing his worst Mj performance (another motherfucker who has no rhythm and cannot dance).

It's like black folks forgot themselves.

"and this one also... is the man holding down the bottom end.

Pino Palladino is a great bass player and seems like a lovely bloke, but I'm sorry: He is not funky at all. I felt he held the band back on Voodoo, and was one of the biggest obstacles to D making the kind of legit funk he seemed to aspire for."

Yep - exactly. His touch is like a jazz player but honestly I would even go as far as to say light-KennyG Jazz... maybe fusion cause there is some Jaco there but Pino is not funky. Steeley Dan record - sure - James Brown covers - NO.

"When this new tour was announced, I was surprised that Pino was invited back."

Wow you are in my head.

"I mean, I'm sure there's a real personal--and even musical--bond there, but I think that as long as Pino is there, D is not gonna be truly funky."

Yeah I'm with you. People seem to think yelling, skips, 4/4, and layers upon layers of backup vocals and James Brown-alike covers equates to funk or black music from the past. They forget something very important - those funk bands

Lived together
came up together
toured endlessly together

so their songs may have had simple arrangemens, but the chops were air tight - like knowing when the next person will breathe.

That's also the case with non-funk bands like Led Zep and the Beatles.

And... even the Revolution. Sure Gayle, Andre' left after the Dirty Mind tour but basically it was the same core of musicians. Beyond their musicianship - familiarity played a role in their sound.

D's attempt at funk has only fully been realized on record - to me.

"(The little bit of the "Lady Cab Driver" stuff I heard didn't sound too bad, though... but that was more in the guitars)"

I didn't hear that - but that's a great song. One of the things that makes Prince a great songwriter are his arrangements.

That's a perfect song to use too - here you have a simple groove, nothing crazy. Just air tight on the one.

I have heard horrible cover bands sound great with that one.

I just personally think D should just worry about being D.

When he does that he's just incredible.

Like I pointed out that Piano set. Honestly if that were the tour itself - could you imagine? Would be great. But D fans are happy he's back and even if that means work out the kinks publicly.




  

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D'Angelo Live mixtpe - how do his new shows compare to this? [View all] , Sam Champ, Tue Jan-31-12 01:00 PM
 
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To me his voice is even better - his band not so much.
Jan 31st 2012
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ONE post...
Jan 31st 2012
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You are taking way too much happiness in this doggie.
Jan 31st 2012
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I think it's impossible to directly compare the two tours...
Jan 31st 2012
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'A good chunk of the set'?
Jan 31st 2012
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If you include the new covers, then half of the set is new for him...
Jan 31st 2012
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      Why would we include covers?
Jan 31st 2012
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      I'm talking about from the performer's perspective, for D and the band.
Jan 31st 2012
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      most of the audience had no idea he did a parliament cover
Feb 02nd 2012
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      4 tunes
Jan 31st 2012
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           i was resisting listening to these youtube clips...
Feb 01st 2012
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Man Voodoo was an overratted show - the work ups fo the songs
Jan 31st 2012
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      Yeah, we pretty much agree...
Jan 31st 2012
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      Yeah Another Life is really the only song I can listen too
Jan 31st 2012
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      I hate to say it but my problem with the Voodoo tour*
Jan 31st 2012
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           Wow...I can't agree with that one. But...
Jan 31st 2012
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           Man - funky makes you move... funky you can feel.
Jan 31st 2012
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           Okay now this I do understand...
Jan 31st 2012
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                If he wants more definition he just needs to adjust his bass
Jan 31st 2012
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           I actually think Pino has his funkier moments
Jan 31st 2012
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                Only when he sticks to the studio script... you see that in Voodoo
Jan 31st 2012
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           RE: I hate to say it but my problem with the Voodoo tour*
Feb 01st 2012
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           pino is a leaden bassist. hes someone that should be playing
Feb 02nd 2012
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           I can't clap to that...
Feb 02nd 2012
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                Those songs are funky... after a fashion.
Feb 02nd 2012
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      PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFT !!!
Jan 31st 2012
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      Hold the fuck up...what rumor?
Jan 31st 2012
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      could be shit talking - but remember when everyone kept
Jan 31st 2012
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           Elaborate brother please
Jan 31st 2012
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      i agree on the guitar part
Jan 31st 2012
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           right cause he's a solid rhythm guitarist but there r 3 leads on stage
Jan 31st 2012
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                Talking about guitar
Jan 31st 2012
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                Yeah I know that vid clip says it all really.
Jan 31st 2012
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                Jesse Johnson is back on the tour
Feb 03rd 2012
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                i agree
Feb 01st 2012
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I don't know...
Jan 31st 2012
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thanks for the mixtape
Jan 31st 2012
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first thing that i noticed was that
Jan 31st 2012
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the Voodoo tour was heat....
Jan 31st 2012
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well it's all opinion and I respect yours without question
Jan 31st 2012
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      And that's been my beef with D all these years
Jan 31st 2012
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      fool. shut up...lolol...
Jan 31st 2012
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           oh please.
Jan 31st 2012
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                right...I didn't go...lolol..
Feb 01st 2012
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                     uh huh.
Feb 01st 2012
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      but let's not forget...
Jan 31st 2012
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           This is true - but Prince is a legendary guitarist
Feb 01st 2012
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           whoa, whoa, whoa... let's not go too far here.
Feb 01st 2012
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                Stevie B and Egyptian Lover have both talked about their
Feb 01st 2012
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           Jimi Hendrix stage show was not all that original either
Feb 01st 2012
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                lol... like you know what you're talking about...
Feb 01st 2012
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                     I love you like a brother but that's not true :)
Feb 02nd 2012
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                     I'm tying the technique to the proficiency of the technique..
Feb 03rd 2012
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                     Sorry, you don't know what you talking about on this subject.
Feb 02nd 2012
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                          lol.your boy Prince thinks Alicia Keys is funky....lol
Feb 03rd 2012
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                               Prince also said TLC was his favorite group.
Feb 03rd 2012
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typical okayplayer revisionism going on here
Jan 31st 2012
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RE: typical okayplayer revisionism going on here
Feb 01st 2012
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RE: D'Angelo Live mixtpe - how do his new shows compare to this?
Feb 01st 2012
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Actually live music isn't rare at all today or in 2000
Feb 01st 2012
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      Dead On It
Feb 01st 2012
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           I dunno it's all subjective territory.
Feb 01st 2012
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                What's subjective about this guitar solo? It sucks
Feb 01st 2012
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ive not heard voodoo bootlegs in about 10 years
Feb 02nd 2012
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like most neo-soul hacks they are not masters of they music or instrumen...
Feb 02nd 2012
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