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75. "you are pontificating and I know you can't possibly believe yourself"
In response to In response to 60
Thu Jan-19-12 02:01 PM by L.E.S.

          

>I don't expect you to get it.
>
>Believe me when I tell you that in 5 years you will be ashamed
>you ever listened to dude.

What if you SEE-THRU it, as you say, but still enjoy it?

What if you know what REAL hip-hop is love KRS-ONE, and STILL enjoy Drake
on some level?

Does that make one blind or in the dark? Should one feel embarrassed about that?

I mean "you want it to be one way, but its the other way" - Marlow Stanfield

Are Jay-Z and/or Kanye not "See-thru" at times? Has Nas not had his moments
of transparency? I'm not even putting Drake on their level at all, but this idea that
one has to be authentic in order to make music that people like is just not the case,
and we've seen it over and over again. . In fact, what this brings up in the sad
realization that so few Hip-Hop artists were able to keep their integrity and
endure through the ever changing trends and stayed "hot." And then we saw
all of our heroes act weird, go out of character, make bad music (eg: Nas "Hate Me Now"
Common "Sweet" and countless other examples) that was SEE-THRU to try
to stay relevant but really just bit themselves in the ass. This is also why
The Roots are such a rare exception and deserve credit. Has KRS not acted
like an ass time and time again just to stay relevant? Isn't so much of Hip-Hop
just all some kind of weird performance piece and an adoption of a persona
that may or may not be who that person really is?

Yes, authenticity is a plus and for me makes the music/art more convincing and stronger.
But lets be honest about what Hip-Hop is now, its a big show. I'm not much of a Drake
fan, I never bought his albums or even listened to them, but when I hear some of his
joints on the radio I dig it and enjoy it for what it is. Does that make me blind? Am
I going to be ashamed of that in 5 years? Hell no. I'm not invested in it. Do I take
his persona seriously? Nah. But I like a lot of his songs.

And this other thing you said about older people being right 9 times out of 10, and
that younger people should listen to them. . Well I have a fundamental disagreement
with that idea. . Most of the great artistic movements certainly happened by the
young shunning the old. There's great history and tradition to learn from, but its
like the student passing the teaching idea, at some point you have to part ways
with your influences, or even the so-called wiser generation, and start anew.

p.s. KRS-ONE is most definitely in my Top 5

  

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Where do you have KRS-One in your top emcee lists? [View all] , Starks dunked on Bulls, Mon Jan-16-12 05:26 PM
 
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this should be fun
Jan 16th 2012
1
I mean, if he ISN'T in your top 5 then.......
Jan 17th 2012
26
      RE: He had a stroke.
Jan 19th 2012
86
It's an age thing, so like 10-15 most likely. I'd have Rakim higher
Jan 16th 2012
2
I voted yellow knowing I'd be the only one
Jan 16th 2012
3
Does Drake have a better catalogue than KRS?
Jan 17th 2012
21
      Drake has 3 classics son
Jan 17th 2012
23
      Do I enjoy any KRS-One record like
Jan 17th 2012
32
           but you do realize that
Jan 17th 2012
41
           That's ok.
Jan 18th 2012
49
                I've explained why many times
Jan 18th 2012
55
                     Awesome
Jan 18th 2012
58
                          Lol
Jan 18th 2012
60
                               Wow you're very interesting
Jan 18th 2012
63
                               let me clarify my statement for you
Jan 19th 2012
70
                                    Oh kay -> the screw ? was a test.
Jan 19th 2012
71
                                         I hope I passed your test
Jan 19th 2012
74
                                              ..........................
Jan 19th 2012
78
                                                   You stay wrong huh
Jan 19th 2012
80
                              
                                    but see I agree with you
Jan 19th 2012
81
                                         wow what do you smoke? it's obvious you haven't heard one of Drake's
Jan 19th 2012
83
                                              lol....you stay wrong huh
Jan 19th 2012
84
                                              see this is where you have it twisted
Jan 20th 2012
92
                                                   ugh
Jan 21st 2012
95
                                                        ^^^on a mission to be the worst poster of all- time
Jan 21st 2012
97
                                                             where did I define Hip-Hop
Jan 21st 2012
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                                                                  here is the problem
Jan 22nd 2012
99
           Have you ever heard Edutainment?
Jan 18th 2012
59
                Kris just doesn't do it for me
Jan 18th 2012
61
                The subject line should be your only statement
Jan 19th 2012
64
                     sorry if it seemed like
Jan 19th 2012
65
                          no biggie, my man
Jan 19th 2012
68
                I don't get the love for Sex & Violence
Jan 18th 2012
62
                     Consistency is its strength for me
Jan 19th 2012
67
      To me hell yeah
Jan 17th 2012
30
      Fair enough
Jan 19th 2012
89
      I honestly feel like most Rap albums from the 80's were blah
Jan 17th 2012
31
           KRS had some good 90s albums too though
Jan 19th 2012
88
The Interview That Was Posted Here Made Me Go Back,,,,
Jan 16th 2012
4
Amarillo, TX.
Jan 16th 2012
5
Top 5 no doubt
Jan 16th 2012
6
RE: Where do you have KRS-One in your top emcee lists?
Jan 16th 2012
7
Red (top 2 for me)
Jan 16th 2012
8
top 10.
Jan 16th 2012
9
RE: top 10.
Jan 16th 2012
11
      RE: top 3 all time live performer
Jan 17th 2012
15
      RE: top 10.
Jan 17th 2012
22
#7 on my list
Jan 16th 2012
10
My top 5 MCees, in no specific order
Jan 17th 2012
12
STILL #1
Jan 17th 2012
13
top 10
Jan 17th 2012
14
Top 5 easily....
Jan 17th 2012
16
it does depend on age though
Jan 17th 2012
17
blue, possibly red
Jan 17th 2012
18
easily top 5 for me
Jan 17th 2012
19
^ This..
Jan 17th 2012
25
He's top 5.
Jan 17th 2012
20
man...this is tough...we talking greatest or best?
Jan 17th 2012
24
Why the slight drop in the "best'' category?
Jan 17th 2012
27
      RE: Why the slight drop in the "best'' category?
Jan 17th 2012
37
I have him at number one, two, three, four & five n/m
Jan 17th 2012
28
... not just 7 but 9 and 3, so come follow me...
Jan 17th 2012
36
I missed his prime years, but even still, top 10
Jan 17th 2012
29
red (#2)
Jan 17th 2012
33
Blue
Jan 17th 2012
34
Blue. nm
Jan 17th 2012
35
KRS-One What's in My Bag? http://youtu.be/0RdIDoFhwX8
Jan 17th 2012
38
he held up "donuts" and was like....
Jan 17th 2012
39
"You pull the music out the air now".... "Well I think that's corny"
Jan 17th 2012
40
ON STAGE: top 1 ... ON RECORD: top 10.
Jan 17th 2012
42
Top 10 mostly, top 15 mandatory.
Jan 17th 2012
43
BELOW: List MCs that can be potentially listed above KRS
Jan 17th 2012
44
RE: BELOW: List MCs that can be potentially listed above KRS
Jan 17th 2012
45
RE: BELOW: List MCs that can be potentially listed above KRS
Jan 17th 2012
46
as far as Slick Rick goes
Jan 18th 2012
48
      LOL
Jan 18th 2012
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           RE: LOL
Jan 18th 2012
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NIGGA DID U JUST SAY TUPAC >> KRS ONE???
Jan 19th 2012
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      you niggas are hilarious!
Jan 19th 2012
76
           they don't hear you though...make your list better!!! Think the way
Jan 19th 2012
79
arguably: monch, BT, nas, 3k, Lauryn, ghostface, rakim, BDK, BIG, jay, a...
Jan 18th 2012
47
LOL
Jan 18th 2012
50
      what you call universal criteria, i see accurately as a point system
Jan 18th 2012
52
as far as skill...
Jan 18th 2012
56
Black Thought = end list
Jan 19th 2012
77
Only Rakim is above...
Jan 18th 2012
54
#3 behind Rakim and Mele Mel
Jan 18th 2012
57
RE: Where do you have KRS-One in your top emcee lists?
Jan 19th 2012
66
Top 5 to me, definitely...
Jan 19th 2012
69
someone took my reply nm
Jan 19th 2012
73
#2 greatest behind Jay-Z & #3 favorite behind Nas & Ghost
Jan 19th 2012
82
RE: Where do you have KRS-One in your top emcee lists?
Jan 19th 2012
85
who's ahead of him on your list?
Jan 19th 2012
87
      RE: who's ahead of him on your list?
Jan 20th 2012
91
Greatest MC Of All Time
Jan 20th 2012
90
RE: Where do you have KRS-One in your top emcee lists?
Jan 20th 2012
93
Always said he's no.#1 but if you don't have him at least in your
Jan 21st 2012
94
I'm sorry but
Jan 21st 2012
96
He's #1, 2, 3, 4, & 5
Jan 22nd 2012
100
I've always gone back n forth w/him at Rakim as #1 and #2
Jan 22nd 2012
101

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