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Jakob Hellberg
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3. "Numerous things..."
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Wed Jun-01-11 07:08 PM by Jakob Hellberg

          

a) Cecil Taylor. Even people who like Sun Ra, late Coltrane, Ayler, Ornette Coleman, electric Miles etc. can't get into him, a guy I consider the undisputable GOAT in terms of advantgarde-jazz. I have some pr4etty deep theories on why but I won't dwell on it here too much. Largely, it actually has to do with the *non-free* aspect of his music; people want free-jazz to be this spiritual, trippy, black power thing and I just think Cecil sounds too "academic" or not emotionally resonant enough for people. If he would have played over repetitive modal and rhythmic figures rather than his usual approach my guess is that people would have loved him. Also, people have a tendency to view the piano as a harmonic/melodic device; when it is presented as a rhythm instrument more-or-less, people start to get pisse4d off, despite the fact that hitting your fist on a piano isn't really a less musical sound than that of a snare drum (or kick-drum or cymbal or hi-hat; actually, the entire44 w4e4stern d4r4umse4t is not ve4ry musical by objective melody/hatrmony standards). Whatever...

b) Metal that is fast. In the4past couple of years, a lot of eclectic music fans have gravitated towards "metal" (I use the quotes because much of this music would have4 been vie4wed as indie in the early 90's). What's fun howeve4r is that as soon as a band star4ts playing fast (think death or black metal), they are4 just not creative4 4o4r inte4rs4in4g; I don't kno4w44 ¤¤A¤¤¤N¤¤Y¤¤ 4othe44r genre wher4e the tempo is used as a measure of creativity.


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Stuff you can't convince other people to like? [View all] , k_orr, Wed Jun-01-11 06:42 PM
 
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Gibbs:
Jun 01st 2011
1
RE: Gibbs:
Jun 04th 2011
37
are you sure?
Oct 22nd 2012
49
grace - jeff buckley
Jun 01st 2011
2
Don't let them see the lp cover first and lead with
Jun 02nd 2011
7
hmmm
Jun 04th 2011
19
I feel you on this one.
Jun 04th 2011
31
Weird as hell
Jun 02nd 2011
5
not if you're coming from a limp wristed "indie" background
Jun 03rd 2011
11
Was this meant as a diss?
Jun 03rd 2011
14
      how is it a dis if it's exactly what you say?i saved you a reply
Jun 04th 2011
25
           I thought it was a parody of my posting style...
Jun 05th 2011
40
I am glad the doc says that...
Jun 03rd 2011
15
      RE: I am glad the doc says that...
Jun 04th 2011
38
           RE: I am glad the doc says that...
Jun 05th 2011
39
                Yeah, thrash was very militaristic and stiff
Oct 22nd 2012
46
The limp-wristed indie thing is just about its own thread...
Oct 22nd 2012
45
      I just realized I was replying to posts from 2011.
Oct 22nd 2012
47
           if it's any consolation...
Oct 22nd 2012
48
i gotta few...too lazy to convince anyone these days but:
Jun 01st 2011
4
juke/footwork, grime
Jun 02nd 2011
6
my hometown fam will not get into Massive Attack, Portishead or Tricky
Jun 02nd 2011
8
Used to be me
Jun 04th 2011
21
Luscious Jackson and the Kostars, also Vik Duplaix
Jun 02nd 2011
9
Vikter Duplaix Should Be An Easy Artist To Push...
Jun 03rd 2011
17
that Kostars album was the shit!
Jun 04th 2011
32
anything that doesnt have dat untz untz untz up in it.
Jun 02nd 2011
10
spoken-word
Jun 03rd 2011
12
Anything outside of anyone's pre-established comfort zones
Jun 03rd 2011
13
motherfucking Lambchop! seriously one of my favorite acts EVER
Jun 03rd 2011
16
Wild Beasts - Smother
Jun 03rd 2011
18
RE: Wild Beasts - Smother
Jun 04th 2011
29
Dope album. Big fan. n/m
Jun 14th 2011
43
st. vincent
Jun 04th 2011
20
she's awesome. i REALLY dig "Actor"... you know if she's got
Jun 04th 2011
22
RE: Stuff you can't convince other people to like?
Jun 04th 2011
23
RE: Stuff you can't convince other people to like?
Jun 04th 2011
24
I can't convince anybody to like The Roots. Not even myself.
Jun 04th 2011
26
Lol...this fuckin guy....
Jun 04th 2011
27
MF DOOM
Jun 04th 2011
28
It takes me like a year to put homies on to DOOM shit.
Jun 04th 2011
34
hell, it took ME a while to really get on that shit, so i can dig it
Jun 04th 2011
35
Edan, Dela, Camp Lo...
Jun 04th 2011
30
RE: What obviously wrong person doesn't like 'Luchini'!!?!?!!!!
Jun 04th 2011
36
either i've gotten better at choosing what to bombard ppl with
Jun 04th 2011
33
Joanna Newsom, James Blake
Jun 05th 2011
41
Definitely the crowd you're rolling with. n/m
Jun 14th 2011
42
      this quakka needs to introduce them to ThE iNtErNeT n/m
Oct 22nd 2012
44
Mountain Mocha Kilimanjaro
Oct 22nd 2012
50

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