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"The Million Dollar Question for 2020 is do we go moderate or truly progr..."


  

          

And I honestly can't call it at all.

My progressive friends tell me now is the time to be bold and push forward a bold progressive vision of how the country should be.

But I just don't see it. It just seems like living a whole different world than the white folks I work with and see around me all day.

I've also completely given up on the idea of personality-driven politics, that is, if we just got the RIGHT person in office, they will be able to fix it. I have a hard time thinking that Kamala Harris will be able to accomplish more than Barrack Obama did. I think the next Dem president can learn from Obama's mistakes and the mood and playing field has changed a bit, but I just really don't think it's a matter of the right person being in office to make Medicare for all, or gun control happens or fight mass incarceration, etc.

I've been thinking alot more about the boring stuff that needs to change to set the table for making the big stuff to happen. Redistricting, changes to voting and tax law. I've been thinking that ichanges to media consolidation laws could strengthen local ownership of newspaper and media outlets would have a major impact on politics (the nationalization of media and news outlets has had a terrible impact on voters and partisanship).

Anyway, I think we will have our answer in less than 2 years but its scary to think the wrong choice between these two choices could mean 4 more years of Trump.





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The Million Dollar Question for 2020 is do we go moderate or truly progr... [View all] , Buddy_Gilapagos, Wed Jan-30-19 12:41 PM
 
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I know folks are focusing on the 2020 presidential election & I get that
Jan 30th 2019
1
Man that's suuuuuper hopeful ha.
Jan 30th 2019
4
      I know. I'm chasing some rainbows & unicorns
Jan 30th 2019
5
           Hahaha yea - and I'm not knocking you at all.
Jan 30th 2019
15
                for some reason reminded me of this bumper sticker
Jan 31st 2019
85
Progressive
Jan 30th 2019
2
Both! Accelerationists for Howard Schultz
Jan 30th 2019
3
progressive as hell, wave that goddamn freak flag high as fuck
Jan 30th 2019
6
If Schultz runs, do you think he takes votes away from Dems or Reps?
Jan 30th 2019
7
I've been pondering this. I don't see Dems voting for him
Jan 30th 2019
28
i thought dems at first but now im leaning towards repubs.
Jan 31st 2019
44
Just don’t be Hillary and we should be fine
Jan 30th 2019
8
Lol word
Jan 30th 2019
16
seriously.
Jan 31st 2019
48
moderate.
Jan 30th 2019
9
How is any of this moderate, though?
Jan 30th 2019
11
the literal purpose of a moderate is to *not* get a lot of shit done.
Jan 30th 2019
35
If we don't run a moderate, the GOP will be able to call the D nominee
Jan 30th 2019
10
They are going to do that regardless.
Jan 30th 2019
12
      Exactly
Jan 30th 2019
13
      Ding ding ding! BINGO
Jan 30th 2019
17
      right - plus, the notion that we should yield to the GOP on this
Jan 30th 2019
36
This country too big and christian to become progressive
Jan 30th 2019
14
Depends on the issue really. But i just want someone who is a
Jan 30th 2019
18
all the liberals with any kind of clout right now are progressive.
Jan 30th 2019
19
But they aren't national stars though
Jan 30th 2019
31
AOC too young to run anyway
Jan 30th 2019
33
media clout but not electoral clout.
Jan 30th 2019
41
      i hear you, but our choices right now
Jan 31st 2019
45
           our choices right now should be between winning and losing.
Jan 31st 2019
47
I have a "Pendulum Theory." Basically, to avoid population-wide trauma
Jan 30th 2019
20
Except Democrats been putting out moderates for decades
Jan 30th 2019
21
They've been putting out snobby elite pro-choice neocons with
Jan 30th 2019
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so you want pro-life neocons with franks red hot instead? i'm good
Jan 30th 2019
25
      What? Lol thats not my point at all...Im saying
Jan 30th 2019
26
exactly.
Jan 30th 2019
37
I don't actually interpret that history any differently! In fact,if anyt...
Jan 31st 2019
60
sir.
Jan 31st 2019
67
My feeling is similar. I think the key is to have someone who
Jan 30th 2019
22
I remember this in 2007/08
Jan 30th 2019
30
      The republicans were totally cool with him, huh?
Jan 31st 2019
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           They must've been
Jan 31st 2019
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And this would be good if the two parties were ideologically symmetrical
Jan 30th 2019
27
We need a hard-left candidate just to get back to the center.
Jan 30th 2019
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      unfortunately thats not how things have worked.
Jan 31st 2019
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           all fair points.....it's up to the left-wing to make allies.
Jan 31st 2019
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           this is liberals biggest mistake right here:
Jan 31st 2019
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           But that mostly killed off the Blue Dogs
Jan 31st 2019
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                blue dogs were the reason obama got to do anything.
Jan 31st 2019
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                     They also killed the public option and nearly killed the ACA itself
Jan 31st 2019
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Campaign finance reform and lobbying reforms
Jan 30th 2019
24
Corruption and Money out of Politics is the winning platform IMHOP.
Jan 30th 2019
32
Yep, and this could get bipartisan support
Jan 30th 2019
34
      democrats have a bill on the floor *right now* dealing with all of this!
Jan 30th 2019
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           But I was just told something like this would get bipartisan support!
Jan 31st 2019
61
Here's the worst idea possible: Primary AOC and alienate Progressives
Jan 30th 2019
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what about aoc allegedly working to primary dem incumbents?
Jan 31st 2019
49
      I am not sure why primarying anyone is a terrible thing. That's democra...
Jan 31st 2019
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      in a lot of cases...primaries can weaken you for the general.
Jan 31st 2019
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      She's denied that. There's nothing wrong with a primary, per se
Jan 31st 2019
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The most "moderate" Democrat is still 10000x better..
Jan 30th 2019
39
this is important:
Jan 31st 2019
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simple answer: let the voters decide (majority of dems want a moderate)
Jan 31st 2019
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any facts behind the survey?
Jan 31st 2019
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      Forget it, the survey has spoken
Jan 31st 2019
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           hahaha
Jan 31st 2019
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                Lol @ yall
Feb 07th 2019
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all i know is 5 min of Howard Schultz had me damn near preferring Trump
Jan 31st 2019
50
fdr embraced the policies this dude thinks are 'too far left'.
Jan 31st 2019
51
lol i knew it. what a useless thing to lie about, let alone say
Jan 31st 2019
64
That dude screamed on him and called him an egotistical asshole
Jan 31st 2019
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I wanted someone to ask him what he thinks he has in common with FDR
Jan 31st 2019
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      yeah fdr is the posterboy lefty to end all lefties.
Jan 31st 2019
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      he united the country and didn't divide us
Jan 31st 2019
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agree with you after seeing him on CNN.
Jan 31st 2019
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I just saw him talk 4 1st time other day and couldn't agree more
Jan 31st 2019
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hope it hurts Starbucks financials too
Jan 31st 2019
65
You don't think we need a Centrist Billionaire at a time like this? lol
Jan 31st 2019
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      some of these 'centrists' aint even really centrists.
Jan 31st 2019
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           you can tell he'd go the hardest on entitlements and social programs
Jan 31st 2019
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                right. I am honestly surprised how stupid he is
Jan 31st 2019
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                centrism to own the libs.
Jan 31st 2019
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                somehow the Starbucks "Race together" campaign seems even stupider
Jan 31st 2019
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                yeah hes def on some bootstraps shit.
Jan 31st 2019
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                     lol I swear he must've hosted like 10 dinner parties
Jan 31st 2019
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                          people keep acting like both parties are equally extreme.
Feb 01st 2019
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country won't survive another 40 years like the last 40 years
Jan 31st 2019
53
I'd wait to see what repubs do before buying center from dems
Jan 31st 2019
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I mean does it really matter? What's the point?
Jan 31st 2019
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Truly progressive all in
Jan 31st 2019
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i think howard schultz is gonna end up pulling his campaign.
Feb 01st 2019
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fuck Steve Schmidt while we're at it
Feb 01st 2019
91
trojan horse.
Feb 02nd 2019
102
      I dont think its *quite* as sinister as much as the RINOS are delusional...
Feb 02nd 2019
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           steve schmidt brought us sarah palin. he is a snake.
Feb 02nd 2019
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                he didn't deserve Woody Harrelson
Feb 02nd 2019
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Eventually, the constant TV requests are going to stop
Feb 01st 2019
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.
Feb 01st 2019
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Semi-spinoff: Are there any prospective Dems you WON'T vote for
Feb 01st 2019
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I won't vote for a candidate that accepts PAC money
Feb 01st 2019
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So if they dont have that, you'll be fine with 4 more years of Trump?
Feb 01st 2019
97
      Recreational marijuana and ban the box...a couple more for my list.
Feb 02nd 2019
100
           ^^^ Ro Khanna 2024
Feb 07th 2019
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Biden is the last person I want nommed, but he'd have my vote, no hesi.
Feb 01st 2019
99
1st poll out for howard schultz and...
Feb 01st 2019
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The "policy" positions are totally irrelevant this cycle.
Feb 01st 2019
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even this is unlikely if repubs control senate.
Feb 02nd 2019
101
*sigh* Yeah.
Feb 02nd 2019
105
You guys are depressing me
Feb 02nd 2019
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      Better than it was in '18, in one sense, but the sense is crucial.
Feb 02nd 2019
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      dems need to start talking about these things explicitly.
Feb 02nd 2019
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      Thanks. Question for you
Feb 02nd 2019
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           Nothing wrong with him running.
Feb 02nd 2019
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                RE: Nothing wrong with him running.
Feb 02nd 2019
120
      the map is better for dems in 2020 but they would need to flip 4 seats
Feb 02nd 2019
110
           Got it thanks
Feb 02nd 2019
113
I'm waiting for a candidate to support dumping the fillibuster
Feb 03rd 2019
123
      Why would you say this?
Feb 03rd 2019
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      you are both right in a way.
Feb 03rd 2019
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           Interesting. Good points.
Feb 03rd 2019
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           That is what I meant
Feb 03rd 2019
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      nobody should campaign on nuking the filibuster.
Feb 03rd 2019
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           It would literally make this country a better place if this happened
Feb 03rd 2019
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Our system of government is broken forever (it looks like)
Feb 02nd 2019
107
      Yeah. It's been building for half a century
Feb 02nd 2019
119
           Its crazy to think of laws in the 60s
Feb 02nd 2019
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                RE: Its crazy to think of laws in the 60s
Feb 03rd 2019
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                     yeah the RFK Netflix doc
Feb 03rd 2019
129
Folks use HIllary's lost as a call for more progressive candidate, BUT
Feb 02nd 2019
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Loss was less about Left/Right as it was Elites/Populists...even tho
Feb 02nd 2019
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Because she didn't excite the base, was stale
Feb 02nd 2019
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      trump won less share/percentage of the popular vote than romney
Feb 02nd 2019
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           Trump didn't need the popular vote to beat Hillary
Feb 03rd 2019
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Shultz embracing PC culture. Calls out the use of offensive labels
Feb 05th 2019
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dude must wake up every morning and ask himself
Feb 05th 2019
133
      Who would've thought the man behind "Race Together"
Feb 05th 2019
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split the difference
Feb 05th 2019
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Campaign moderate, govern progressive
Feb 05th 2019
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cnn to host town hall with howard schultz.
Feb 06th 2019
137
I agree with your overall point but
Feb 06th 2019
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here you go:
Feb 06th 2019
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      I am surprised but
Feb 06th 2019
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If he HAD chosen to run as a Dem
Feb 06th 2019
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that and also he has a shitload of money to spend on advertising.
Feb 06th 2019
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https://youtu.be/DzfX0T4LDD8
Feb 06th 2019
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i wonder what the split in the population is
Feb 06th 2019
143
Along this line I don't understand the pickiness of Democratic Voters
Mar 26th 2019
147
You can’t win an election with climate change in America.
Mar 26th 2019
148
its no surprise that when repubs attack a dem proposal
Mar 26th 2019
150
      It don't think it's waste or incompetence, so much asit's corruption
Mar 27th 2019
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      2006? That’s mid term fam.
Mar 27th 2019
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           Yeah it was the last time Dem's retook the house. They won largely
Mar 27th 2019
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      very well said
Mar 27th 2019
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dem voters consistently come up with reasons not to vote.
Mar 26th 2019
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True. I think we vote tho but we waste too much time on trying to make
Mar 27th 2019
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Are people saying this for the primary or the general?
Mar 27th 2019
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I've decided, it's progressive all the way.
Sep 10th 2019
157
Welcome to the club holmes.
Sep 10th 2019
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      I am back to not being sure again.
Mar 04th 2020
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           The 2018 midterms demonstrated that this shouldn't be a concern tho
Mar 04th 2020
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All the old conversations are new again.
Mar 04th 2020
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