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Marauder21
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"WTF is going in Venezuela right now?"


  

          

https://www.vox.com/world/2019/1/23/18193533/venezuela-maduro-protest-guaido-pence-trump-23-enero

Speaking as a Dumb American, it sounds like:
-A guy who wasn't elected president (Guaido) is declaring himself president (which Venezuela's constitution kinda allows, at least on a temporary basis)
-Maduro was elected president in what almost certainly was NOT a legitimate election
-There seems to be genuine anti-Maduro sentiment from the people of Venezuela
-It's also being stoked by a foreign government that generally fucks things up horribly whenever they get involved in Latin American countries
-There's not an actual civil war going on yet, and we still don't know if Guadio will ultimately succeed in his effort to take power
-Trump's saying everything is on the table wrt to American involvement down there (presumably including an invasion)

This shit sounds bad and outside of "stay the entire fuck out of this," there don't sound like any good solutions for the US. Trump's already making noise by saying they won't recognize Maduro's request for US diplomats to leave the country, so if a civil war does break out, they'll be trapped there. Good chance some of them could get killed, which Trump can use as an excuse for invading and occupying the country.

Am I missing something else?

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WTF is going in Venezuela right now? [View all] , Marauder21, Thu Jan-24-19 01:49 PM
 
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was just texting some friends about this
Jan 24th 2019
1
RE: was just texting some friends about this
Jan 24th 2019
5
      Yes Uruguay and Mexico were not named as countries favoring
Jan 24th 2019
6
           Uruguay, Mexico, Spain, Portugal, the Vatican. Short but significant lis...
Jan 26th 2019
65
45 is lazy. He needs his war to be closer to home.
Jan 24th 2019
2
RE: WTF is going in Venezuela right now?
Jan 24th 2019
3
This helped
Jan 24th 2019
7
A coup
Jan 24th 2019
4
Always with the oil
Jan 24th 2019
8
      Staging ground for Iran?
Jan 24th 2019
9
           That's hard to say, really.
Jan 26th 2019
66
Fuck socialism is what's going on
Jan 24th 2019
10
Is tr socialism or corruption?
Jan 24th 2019
11
or competing factions using VZ as a battleground for their ideaology?
Jan 24th 2019
12
Both, capitalist countries don't have corruption
Jan 24th 2019
13
Both.
Jan 24th 2019
18
*Soundwave voice* Bias detected
Jan 25th 2019
52
      Whatever, pinko.
Jan 25th 2019
58
           because 'socialism' and not a bungling authoritarian
Jan 28th 2019
70
                just let him play in his weird little right-wing misogynistic corner
Jan 29th 2019
77
in this context, does it matter?
Jan 25th 2019
51
So Guaido's capitalist?
Jan 24th 2019
14
Those the same questions I wanted to ask
Jan 24th 2019
15
Guaido is an interim/caretaker President
Jan 24th 2019
17
      But is he ACTUALLY a caretaker?
Jan 25th 2019
24
      No crystal ball but for now we just go by his statements
Jan 25th 2019
34
      Guaido put in work during the manifestaciones b/w embassy is safe
Jan 25th 2019
54
You're a Venezuelan who's lived in the US for... how much of his life?
Jan 24th 2019
16
Congratulations, here's your first world armchair socialist medal
Jan 24th 2019
19
Great job at countering what the article said
Jan 24th 2019
20
I'll buy your plane ticket if you agree to move to Cuba
Jan 25th 2019
23
      Still ducking the assertions of the article.
Jan 25th 2019
25
           yeah he really hasn't responded to you even, just name calling
Jan 25th 2019
26
           The pushback to your point is obvious. How'd VZ get from the gains
Jan 25th 2019
29
           Absolute power corrupts absolutely
Jan 25th 2019
30
           And the answer to that is multi-fold
Jan 25th 2019
39
                RE: And the answer to that is multi-fold
Jan 29th 2019
78
           From the article
Jan 25th 2019
37
                My response is yes that's true, yes that's happening. Life in Venezuela
Jan 25th 2019
43
that oil reserve stat is surprising as hell
Jan 25th 2019
22
      they have never built the infrastructure to capitalize on it is one issu...
Jan 25th 2019
49
Typical socialist dictator dynamic. It was good until it wasn't
Jan 25th 2019
47
Isn't this a result of the US sanctions?
Jan 25th 2019
27
Man, they refuse to even look at the role the US plays in this
Jan 25th 2019
31
Shhhh, it's all the socialisms on its own
Jan 25th 2019
32
Sanctions against gov officials implicated in drug trafficking & corrupt...
Jan 25th 2019
33
      RE: Sanctions against gov officials implicated in drug trafficking & cor...
Jan 25th 2019
35
           VZ gov makes more money from running drugs than Citgo
Jan 25th 2019
38
                Got it
Jan 25th 2019
56
                You said the sanctions were only against individuals
Feb 10th 2019
87
do you have a recomended news source for what's happening?
Jan 25th 2019
36
Now just wait for a bunch of Americans and Europeans to argue w/you
Jan 25th 2019
50
some perspective.
Jan 25th 2019
21
Oil.
Jan 25th 2019
28
...i mean, we should know the pattern by now, right?
Jan 28th 2019
69
      people on here still surprised by the grammies.
Feb 11th 2019
95
           we have liberal access to their oil as it is. more about regional contro...
Feb 11th 2019
96
                Imperialism isn’t about access. It’s about total control.
Feb 24th 2019
105
                they were attempting to switch the currency they use for oil
Feb 24th 2019
107
WSJ is reporting that Pence called Guaido the night before
Jan 25th 2019
40
and Pompeo is giving them $20M
Jan 25th 2019
41
breh they ain't need to tell me that
Jan 26th 2019
64
This post makes me think we all need to read more books
Jan 25th 2019
42
^^^ I agree with all of this
Jan 25th 2019
44
I don't see anything wrong with any of this
Jan 25th 2019
46
good synopsis but fatalism is not an option here
Jan 25th 2019
48
      I don't mean to be fatalist. I think Maduro has to go, but what's next?
Jan 25th 2019
53
           The forces on the ground are not equipped in any way, shape or form
Jan 25th 2019
55
                that's a dark best case scenario.
Jan 25th 2019
59
                     It's gonna be fine, we've got an Iran-Contra guy working on it
Jan 25th 2019
60
                          yeah, even the 'good' options for VZ come w/serious catches
Jan 25th 2019
61
                          +1 huge problem. We have the least competent and well-meaning group
Jan 26th 2019
62
                               damn.
Jan 28th 2019
75
RE: WTF is going in Venezuela right now?
Jan 25th 2019
45
Socialism is not the problem. Maduro is the problem.
Jan 25th 2019
57
Agreed on the title and first paragraph for sure.
Jan 26th 2019
63
I can confidently say
Jan 28th 2019
67
If only Fox News & conservatives
Jan 28th 2019
68
RE: WTF is going in Venezuela right now?
Jan 28th 2019
71
it's not like the US has ever done something like that before...
Jan 28th 2019
74
Curious - what is Kamala's stance on Venezuela?
Jan 28th 2019
72
that thread is gold
Jan 28th 2019
73
I am honestly scared to read more about Tulsi
Jan 29th 2019
79
      RE: I am honestly scared to read more about Tulsi
Jan 31st 2019
84
i don't see how anti-interventionists can truly justify that stance here
Jan 29th 2019
76
let em know.
Jan 29th 2019
80
Guaido in The NYT b/w LMAO @ calling dude a plant
Jan 31st 2019
81
holy shit. reading this now
Jan 31st 2019
82
This makes me feel a bit better about him
Jan 31st 2019
83
Venezuelan officials accuse the US of sending a cache of high-powered ri...
Feb 08th 2019
85
lol not even 20 guns
Feb 10th 2019
88
      RE: a commercial cargo flight from Miami
Feb 11th 2019
92
           you're acting like it was tulsa to roquies or something
Feb 11th 2019
93
                RE: reply 94
Feb 13th 2019
97
Chomsky, Boots Riley et al: The following open letter—signed by 70 sch...
Feb 10th 2019
86
saw that and also this well-informed piece in the NYT
Feb 10th 2019
89
      When has U.S. intervention led to positive results?
Feb 10th 2019
90
           No, I don't "think" it.
Feb 11th 2019
91
                bolton said recently oil is (obviously) a major want
Feb 24th 2019
106
                     they are obvious about thier intent. not even trying to hide it
Feb 25th 2019
108
RE: Elliott Abrams
Feb 11th 2019
94
RE: Elliott Abrams
Feb 13th 2019
98
      Elliot Abrams involvement negates any arugment for US intervention
Feb 13th 2019
99
libya redux
Feb 22nd 2019
100
They're bringing Abrams to the Colombian border
Feb 22nd 2019
101
Maduro defenders: please comment
Feb 22nd 2019
102
Is Guaido that popular in Venezuela?
Feb 22nd 2019
103
Has a socialist dictatorship ever been popular?
Feb 22nd 2019
104
      The Making of Juan Guaido (swipe)
Feb 25th 2019
111
fear that the opposition will commit genocide
Feb 25th 2019
109
Brazil? they have their own 'Maduro' over there
Feb 25th 2019
110
Inside Trump's Venezuela pivot
Feb 25th 2019
112
RE: Inside Trump's Venezuela pivot
Feb 25th 2019
113
fresh video interview with venezuelan foreign minister. link.
Feb 26th 2019
114
Pence announces more sanctions on Venezuela
Feb 26th 2019
115
Guaido's chief of staff arrested
Mar 21st 2019
116
Happy 16th birthday, Iraq War
Mar 21st 2019
117
      Our baby is old enough to drive into a wedding, killing everyone
Mar 21st 2019
118
Forreal, America has to stop interfering with Venezuelan politics
Mar 21st 2019
119
Sociatal collapse if I'm not mistake n
Mar 21st 2019
120
SMH@the WH reception for Bolsonaro
Mar 21st 2019
121
this part:
May 14th 2019
130
I guess they're getting the coup going
Apr 30th 2019
122
I feel like there are zero good outcomes here
Apr 30th 2019
123
Oh now it's crickets?
May 14th 2019
124
I think you are in Venezuela right?
May 14th 2019
126
      He ain't in Venezuela
May 14th 2019
127
           Do you have family in Venezuela? I do
May 14th 2019
128
                Sounds like your beef is with Maduro, not Socialism at large.
May 14th 2019
129
                That's like: sounds like your beef is with 45, not racism at large
May 14th 2019
131
                Not family, but friends, yes. And yes, to everything except packages
May 14th 2019
132
                     of course human suffering isn't relevant to the discussion
May 14th 2019
133
                          I thought you were buying me a ticket to Cuba?
May 14th 2019
134
Inside the secret plot to turn senior Venezuelan officials against Madur...
May 14th 2019
125
so we’re charging Maduro for drug dealing...?
Mar 27th 2020
135
Narcos Venezuela
Mar 27th 2020
136
Look Coup's Talking Too
Mar 27th 2020
137
      the old tricks are the best because they keep on working
Mar 28th 2020
138
           Yeah, you're not wrong
Mar 28th 2020
139

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