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"The Simpsons and Apu - comedy vs. being politically correct"


  

          

hmmm....

So it seems the Simpsons are not liking the criticism they've gotten for years over South Indian character/caricature Apu, so they seemingly "pushed back."


hmmm.....


Is it "once you start letting people 'guilt' or 'shame' you into 'being nice' then you can't be 'funny' anymore"?




https://slate.com/culture/2018/04/the-simpsons-shrugged-off-critics-of-apu-via-lisa-and-marge.html


BROW BEAT

The Simpsons Responds to The Problem With Apu With a Dismissive Shrug

By AISHA HARRIS

APRIL 09, 201811:31 AM

Lisa doesn't know how to address the problem with Apu on The Simpsons.
“What can you do?”


Last fall, comedian Hari Kondabolu released the documentary The Problem With Apu, in which he interrogates the history of The Simpsons’ Apu Nahasapeemapetilon, Kwik-E-Mart operator and, for decades, the show’s token Indian character. Through interviews with other prominent South Asian Americans (including Kal Penn, Aziz Ansari, and Hasan Minhaj) as well as drawing on his own personal experiences having grown up with the character, Kondabolu called out The Simpsons’ creators for relying upon painful stereotypes and what is essentially brownface in the form of Hank Azaria voicing the role.

Kondabolu documented his attempts to reach out to Azaria for an on-camera interview, but he declined. The voice actor has addressed the issue publicly as recently as earlier this year, when he expressed sympathy for those upset by the character and said that the creative team would “definitely address” this on the show. And as of Sunday night’s episode, called “No Good Read Goes Unpunished,” they finally did.


While reading a bedtime story to Lisa, Marge edits the fictitious children’s book The Princess in the Garden so that any trace of content that would be considered objectionable in 2018 —”naturally servile” natives in South America, “feeble-witted and drunk” Irish—is gone. It turns out it’s much less satisfying (and much shorter), lacking in an “emotional journey” for its protagonist. “Well, what am I supposed to do?” an exasperated Marge says.

Lisa turns and looks directly at the audience: “It’s hard to say. Something that started decades ago and was applauded and inoffensive is now politically incorrect. What can you do?” The camera then pans to a framed photo of Apu on the nightstand next to Lisa’s bed, signed with the phrase, “Don’t have a cow.” And then:

Marge: Some things will be dealt with at a later date.

Lisa: If at all.


Unsurprisingly, this pat, resigned reaction to the controversy didn’t sit well with Kondabolu and many others.


Hari Kondabolu

@harikondabolu
Wow. “Politically Incorrect?” That’s the takeaway from my movie & the discussion it sparked? Man, I really loved this show. This is sad. https://twitter.com/soham_burger/status/983200703660351488
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Hari Kondabolu

@harikondabolu
In “The Problem with Apu,” I used Apu & The Simpsons as an entry point into a larger conversation about the representation of marginalized groups & why this is important. The Simpsons response tonight is not a jab at me, but at what many of us consider progress.
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Later in the episode, Lisa brings Marge to Springfield University to meet scholars of the fictional book’s author, Heloise Hodgeson Burwell. (The name is presumably a reference to Frances Hodgson Burnett, whose beloved classic The Secret Garden features a white English girl arguing that the family’s Indian house staff “are not people.”) They claim that Burwell’s “whole life was a protest against conformity,” because she was unmarried, never had kids, and lived in Provincetown, Massachusetts. She’s a “lesbian icon” and her “offensive stereotypes were actually a self-consciously ironic protest against her own oppression.” When a skeptical Marge asks them how much of that characterization they actually believe, they respond, hesitantly: “Most.” They deal with the incongruities with the help of alcohol.

The basic framing of that earlier meta reference and the scene at the university is a startling misrepresentation of the issues Kondabolu and many others have brought forth. To suggest that Apu (who was created nearly 30 years ago when on-screen Asian representation was even more dire than it is now) was ever “inoffensive” is only true if you’re speaking about it from the perspectives of the non-Asian segment of the population, which obviously wouldn’t have any reason to be offended. Yet for many Indian Americans who grew up with The Simpsons, this character, the brainchild of white creators, was all they had. And in merely poking fun at the stereotypes (the “self-consciously ironic protest” bit), the writers deflect responsibility even further, admitting that they’ve had to reflect upon their creative choices and have come to the conclusion that there’s nothing more they can possibly do.


During an interview for my Slate podcast Represent, Kondabolu told me that he didn’t want the writers to take the “lazy” way out in addressing the controversy and kill off Apu. They didn’t wind up doing that, but instead did something that’s perhaps just as much of a cop-out: looked directly at their critics, dinged them for being “politically correct,” and then shrugged it off. What can you do?

Update, April 9, 12:30 p.m.: Hari Kondabolu has released an “official” statement on the episode.


Hari Kondabolu

@harikondabolu
TO THE JOURNALISTS WHO HAVE ASKED ME FOR A PUBLIC STATEMENT ABOUT LAST NIGHT’S SIMPSONS EPISODE, I JUST WANT SAY: “Congratulations to the Simpsons for being talked about & being seen as relevant again.”
11:14 AM - Apr 9, 2018
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The Simpsons and Apu - comedy vs. being politically correct [View all] , c71, Mon Apr-09-18 04:13 PM
 
Subject Author Message Date ID
It's a shitty look.
Apr 09th 2018
1
They were better off not addressing it at all, to be honest.
Apr 09th 2018
2
Right? The even took Lisa down with them.
Apr 10th 2018
18
Ugh.
Apr 09th 2018
3
i have a razor sharp clear memory of my dad
Apr 09th 2018
4
They've been getting away with this so long, they dont want to change.
Apr 09th 2018
5
Kill Apu off, so then the complaints will be 'no diversity"
Apr 09th 2018
6
so the only options are racist charicature or no diversity?
Apr 11th 2018
64
      'twas a joke, man.
Apr 26th 2018
93
They should hire an Indian American actor to play him BUT
Apr 09th 2018
7
lol all of a sudden he's Russell Peters.
Apr 10th 2018
14
The idea that being more sensitive makes us less funny is bullshit.
Apr 09th 2018
8
I do think to SOME extent comedy is based on misfortune
Apr 09th 2018
10
      misfortune/struggle as a source of humor isn't the issue.
Apr 10th 2018
15
      so here's an example
Apr 10th 2018
21
           That actually DID happen with the Apu character
Apr 11th 2018
47
the very first time i saw Apu i thought it was the funniest thing ever
Apr 09th 2018
9
when I was a kid
Apr 11th 2018
39
I didn't think I would ever be ok with the Simpson going away but this d...
Apr 09th 2018
11
isnt apu one of the smartest & hardest working ppl in springfield
Apr 09th 2018
12
Yeah but he’s got a lame stereotypical accent voiced by a white guy
Apr 10th 2018
13
This is the type of shit white people say to defend racist shit.
Apr 10th 2018
16
HELLO.
Apr 10th 2018
17
basically
Apr 10th 2018
19
Yep, kinda surprised a Black man would say that
Apr 10th 2018
20
      sorry for not watching the show much an having a genuine question
Apr 10th 2018
23
           If you saw the Black doctor character on the Simpsons
Apr 10th 2018
24
                yeah because i dont know any black ppl that sound like that
Apr 10th 2018
25
                     So here's what's getting lost
Apr 10th 2018
26
                          That's his issue (Hari Kondabolu )
Apr 10th 2018
27
                               Raj on Big Bang Theory is a stereotype? How so?
Apr 11th 2018
29
                               His parents are rich
Apr 11th 2018
33
                                    Being a rich Indian is a stereotype?
Apr 11th 2018
34
                                    So it's just one sterotype thats bad?
Apr 11th 2018
42
                                    probably because its based in reality
Apr 11th 2018
40
                               Nobody is mad at the Simpsons for not fixing the world
Apr 11th 2018
45
Bruh.. not like this
Apr 11th 2018
32
Apu is the only serious character on the whole show
Apr 10th 2018
22
isnt the yt hillbilly character just as stereotypical?
Apr 11th 2018
28
The writers are aware. They had a bowling team called "The Stereotypes"
Apr 11th 2018
30
In a town full of non-stereotypical white characters
Apr 11th 2018
35
      Is Homer not a stereotypical white person?
Apr 11th 2018
41
      Springfield is ostensibly filled with stereotypically dumb white people
Apr 11th 2018
43
      The characters all seem almost cartoon-ish
Apr 11th 2018
46
      almost
Apr 11th 2018
49
      how many others are racial stereotypes?
Apr 18th 2018
79
           Honestly, a lot
Apr 18th 2018
80
                they're all white except for Bumblebee Man
Apr 22nd 2018
84
                     Exactly. Which is what I said in the first place
Apr 26th 2018
91
                          which is why i asked how many are racial stereotypes, as in non-white.
Apr 26th 2018
92
      That's still a group of rich people making fun of people
Apr 11th 2018
52
Hari is the most annoying kind of SJW
Apr 11th 2018
31
Nobody is more annoying that people who use SJW non-ironically.
Apr 11th 2018
36
people like Sam Harris and Dave Rubin
Apr 11th 2018
38
I hope he gets the results he's looking for from this, whatever that is
Apr 11th 2018
54
totally agree with this
Apr 12th 2018
66
You mean, like a documentary about representation in media?
Apr 18th 2018
77
      Were there original characters in his documentary?
Apr 19th 2018
81
           I don't have to be a carpenter to tell you your chair's fucked up.
Apr 20th 2018
82
                It's definitely a skill/valid form of film.
Apr 20th 2018
83
points deducted for use of "SJW" foul ball.
Apr 11th 2018
62
lol just saw it on reddit my man
Apr 12th 2018
65
      Its a signal to show what side you on.
Apr 13th 2018
68
           ahh i see... kinda like use of the word cuck
Apr 17th 2018
73
           SJW and "virtue signaling" are pretty good imo
Apr 17th 2018
75
RE: Hari is the most annoying kind of SJW
Apr 14th 2018
69
I kinda just wished he were funny
Apr 25th 2018
86
      this is what I was getting at in my comment
Apr 27th 2018
95
that was trash juice that they responded the way they did...
Apr 11th 2018
37
It took a while, but mrHood in reply #43 came through with the key
Apr 11th 2018
44
hardware already corverd that in reply 26
Apr 11th 2018
51
Stereotypes and cop-outs, call 'em what you want - it's "edgy" to
Apr 11th 2018
53
      Apu wasn't designed to be edgy. lol
Apr 11th 2018
55
           Putting up a stereotype is edgy enough to some - putting a
Apr 11th 2018
56
           thats... what i just said
Apr 11th 2018
57
                comedy is often lazy, rock and roll is often lazy, hip-hop is often lazy
Apr 11th 2018
59
                     i mean, i guess if you shooting for the low bar.
Apr 11th 2018
60
                          brash stuff
Apr 11th 2018
61
                               word
Apr 11th 2018
63
           my reply #56 came before your edit - so I'll now reply to your edit
Apr 11th 2018
58
I see your point
Apr 15th 2018
70
don't agree with the original criticism but this was a lazy dumb respons...
Apr 11th 2018
48
Life is short
Apr 11th 2018
50
Hari's point is sorta valid but I don't think The Simpsons needed to res...
Apr 12th 2018
67
Apu Trilogy Pt. 1 (LINK)
Apr 16th 2018
71
I hope they murder Apu and his entire family
Apr 16th 2018
72
      or maybe
Apr 25th 2018
87
      ...by a black dude that's mad because Apu said something...
Apr 26th 2018
94
okay so I watched the Problem With Apu
Apr 17th 2018
74
nailed it. white stereotypes don't block white opportunity
Apr 18th 2018
76
petty & assholish response
Apr 18th 2018
78
Hank Azaria on Colbert talking about Apu
Apr 25th 2018
85
Don't bury it
Apr 25th 2018
88
      Don't stop with that
Apr 25th 2018
89
      translation: i got too much money for these problems
Apr 25th 2018
90
           Both replies de-incentivize engagement
Apr 27th 2018
96

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