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117. "well if this election taught us anything, it's we should trust polls :-)"
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If we go by pure numbers, Sanders lost the primary by what, a million votes? If he was really that popular my first question would be why didn't he win the primary? I know the common refrain is to blame Debbie Wasserman and the DNC, but ultimately he lost. By a lot. Debbie ain't deliver that many votes.


Secondly, the electorate was nearly 50% voters who were 50 years and older. People aged 50 are not voting for a socialist, not en mass at least. No matter how you try to shape it, there are too many baby boomers who have negative connotations with the word socialist, democratic or not.


Third, as mentioned above Sanders was spared the sort of focused negative attacks that Clinton endured. I think a two pronged attack of Breitbart/alt-right attacks with a whole heap of antisemitism and the traditional republican attacks of incompetence and fear mongering would have doomed him.


Fourth, if we're being honest Bernie Sanders has a lot of great idealistic ideals, but if you scratch the surface you'll find his voting record has quite a few moments of questionable decisions and a lack of strong bills sponsored by him and passed. I always chuckle to myself when people point out Hillary's super predator comment, but ignore the fact that Bernie voted for the bill that followed the comment.


Additionally, although the plans he has sound good, they were never backed by strong plans to both fund them and pass them in the republican legislative stronghold. One of Bernies faults imo is his lack of flexibility, this willingness to be so ideologically pure that he's not willing to compromise to get things done. A candidate can afford to be pure when he has the support of a same party house and senate, not when the opposing party controls both.


Lastly, this election was one of rejection, of resentment, of racism. Bernie has been in politics for over 30 years. They would have played on his being an Washington insider and made it very much an us vs. them thing, played on him being Jewish, played up the thing with wife mismanaging a colleges finances. I believe more of the young vote would have gotten out, but not enough to overcome the deficient of pure unfiltered racism and they're 'taking my jurbs!'.

  

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So, Hilary Clinton's new book, who here is going to get a copy? [View all] , Numba_33, Thu Sep-07-17 12:23 PM
 
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I'll read outraged excerpts from Bernie Bros and aggreived POC
Sep 07th 2017
1
RE: I'll read outraged excerpts from Bernie Bros and aggreived POC
Sep 07th 2017
8
Democrats dread Hillary's book tour (swipe)
Sep 07th 2017
2
this book benefits no one but herself
Sep 07th 2017
12
      I mean, there are legitimate things she can discuss
Sep 07th 2017
14
      Nobody ever said Hillary was entitled to anything.
Sep 07th 2017
21
      When someone's first line (of many) includes "I AM NOT A BERNIE BRO"
Sep 07th 2017
16
           Except, I'm not. At all. But keep at it, smart guy
Sep 07th 2017
17
                Strav has to be on the pay roll.
Sep 07th 2017
24
                In every single Hillary thread I've been in.
Sep 07th 2017
37
                bruh, I'm in 95% of the threads on this slow ass board
Sep 07th 2017
42
                dog, if he gets paid for this at least it would make a little sense
Sep 07th 2017
46
                I care about the Democratic party
Sep 07th 2017
25
                     nah, you care about Hillary
Sep 07th 2017
43
                     Then why did I vote for Obama in the '08 primary?
Sep 07th 2017
74
                          Cause you are a Frontrunner?
Sep 07th 2017
88
                     So are you sticking to your rule of not actually listening to people?
Sep 07th 2017
45
                          Nah, looks like you're sticking to your rule...
Sep 07th 2017
76
I look forward to seeing some blame finally leveled at Bernie,
Sep 07th 2017
3
It seems like the Bernie movement is the Democrat movement now
Sep 07th 2017
4
That's not how it seems...
Sep 07th 2017
7
      The Bernie wing is the majority
Sep 07th 2017
49
           Then how did he lose the primary?
Sep 07th 2017
62
           Time IMO
Sep 07th 2017
66
           So we get to blame time itself?!
Sep 07th 2017
72
                I guess you can call it blame if you want to
Sep 07th 2017
80
           Fame + people fell for the centrist lie.
Sep 07th 2017
73
                Lol, "the centrist lie."
Sep 07th 2017
77
                     Buy her book. It'll make you feel better.
Sep 07th 2017
79
                          And "the rest of the left" will never have enough political power
Sep 07th 2017
81
                               yeah it really sucked when the dems were led from the left
Sep 07th 2017
83
                                    Um, when was this???
Sep 07th 2017
84
                                         the "purity" criticism is something y'all made up
Sep 07th 2017
92
                                              Well it specifically describes bignick,
Sep 08th 2017
119
           lol
Sep 08th 2017
118
right n/m
Sep 07th 2017
5
Finally?
Sep 07th 2017
9
People were blaming a subset of his supporters,
Sep 07th 2017
13
lol
Sep 07th 2017
10
Really? That's what you look forward to? Smh
Sep 07th 2017
20
RE: Really? That's what you look forward to? Smh
Sep 07th 2017
26
      well if the answer is that easy why the fuck is she blaming Bernie?
Sep 07th 2017
34
           There can be multiple things.
Sep 07th 2017
36
           Hilary can't fail, she can only be failed. Now they didn't hit swing st...
Sep 07th 2017
48
What will be accomplished by that?
Sep 07th 2017
57
The main internal failing was a lack of party discipline.
Sep 07th 2017
69
      Understood. but I don't think she or her book
Sep 07th 2017
78
well, that's me.
Sep 07th 2017
59
but reading these bullshit replies in here makes me want to side w/her.
Sep 07th 2017
61
Still Outta Touch
Sep 07th 2017
6
It Was (fill in the blank)'s Fault
Sep 07th 2017
11
"It Was Just Supposed to be Jim Webb"...by the Most Qualified
Sep 07th 2017
15
"These Other Books on the Shelf are the Worst"
Sep 07th 2017
18
"Wisconsin never asked me to visit!"
Sep 07th 2017
22
Vast Left Wing Conspiracy: How Bernie Bros Cost Me My Coronation
Sep 07th 2017
30
Bodak Beige
Sep 07th 2017
31
RE: Still Outta Touch
Sep 07th 2017
32
if I WON
Sep 07th 2017
53
all proceeds go to the goldmans
Sep 07th 2017
56
Dry and Tight (Grab Em By the Ballot)
Sep 07th 2017
70
Bernie Would Have Won (Verrit.com authentication code 0116085)
Sep 07th 2017
85
You got servered
Sep 07th 2017
94
Weekend at Bernie's
Sep 08th 2017
98
Bish had 3 million more votes... did Bernie make her faint on 9/11?
Sep 07th 2017
19
hard pass
Sep 07th 2017
23
feels like the last 9 months of her hanging around has been the book.
Sep 07th 2017
27
*raises hand*
Sep 07th 2017
33
      ^ wrong spot lol
Sep 07th 2017
93
Who here wishes she would STFU and go away FOREVER?
Sep 07th 2017
28
damn. y'all haven't even heard what she has to say lol
Sep 07th 2017
29
she lost to Trump, we don't care what she has to say
Sep 07th 2017
35
its because she's a girl..lol
Sep 07th 2017
38
      It is easier for a lot of people...
Sep 07th 2017
39
      nah.. don't do that. Don't use that shit as a shield
Sep 07th 2017
41
      bernie would have been treated much better
Sep 07th 2017
51
           agreed.
Sep 07th 2017
67
           Not if he had a 99% chance of winning.
Sep 07th 2017
68
           What are you basing this on exactly?
Sep 07th 2017
91
                Not saying he would have lost, but he was never in the crosshairs
Sep 07th 2017
96
                I still don't think he would have won
Sep 08th 2017
99
                     i can't call it either way
Sep 08th 2017
123
               
                     Bernie losing by a million votes proves how popular he was
Sep 08th 2017
120
      it's also b/c she white.
Sep 07th 2017
65
           And also because she ain't shit
Sep 08th 2017
124
                naw.
Sep 08th 2017
125
                     I just think she's disingenuous
Sep 08th 2017
127
                          so are you, Mr. Wannabe Viking.
Sep 08th 2017
129
                               as are you, Mr. Wannabe Strom Thurmond
Sep 08th 2017
130
                                    i'm not moving to Thurmond's state.
Sep 08th 2017
131
                                         Why move to his state when you already live in his state of mind?
Sep 08th 2017
132
                                              blah blah blah blah.
Sep 08th 2017
133
                                                   can't betray a made up social construct my dude. You know that
Sep 08th 2017
134
There have been excerpts dropping for the past month or so...
Sep 07th 2017
40
      I wholeheartedly disagree...
Sep 07th 2017
47
      c'mon
Sep 07th 2017
52
           you've convicted her without having read the book yet...
Sep 07th 2017
55
                we've have 25 years of the clintons
Sep 07th 2017
63
      RE: There have been excerpts dropping for the past month or so...
Sep 07th 2017
75
Cover photo leaked:
Sep 07th 2017
44
Trash politician. Trash person. Pass.
Sep 07th 2017
50
She needs to stfu about the election.
Sep 07th 2017
54
pretty much
Sep 07th 2017
58
Especially now when people are still sensitive about this shit
Sep 07th 2017
60
agreed.
Sep 07th 2017
64
Seriously, there are Nazis marching in the streets
Sep 07th 2017
71
we got midterms on the horizon, damn
Sep 07th 2017
82
and folks wonder why people don't like her
Sep 07th 2017
86
TheOnion are some fools... What Also Happened
Sep 07th 2017
87
Politicians shouldn't be responsive to fan requests.
Sep 07th 2017
89
Bernie Bros this, Bernie Bros that... What were passionate Hillary fans ...
Sep 07th 2017
90
Good for her! This is exactly what we need right now!
Sep 07th 2017
95
Not sure why we mad at Hilldawg, she's been pretty quiet
Sep 08th 2017
97
bullshit... after the dust settled no one was talking about Hillary
Sep 08th 2017
100
How many freelance writers ate off election post mortems
Sep 08th 2017
104
      like I said.. right after the election? Sure..
Sep 08th 2017
105
           When he signed debt ceiling they dragged Debbie Wasserman out!
Sep 08th 2017
106
                Lol that's Hannity's thing
Sep 08th 2017
107
                the new Blonde chick said as long as they fuck with Trump
Sep 08th 2017
109
                Fox News aint shit... but it's their job to point fingers at Dems
Sep 08th 2017
108
She was pretty quiet. Now she's about to get real loud with her book to...
Sep 08th 2017
101
the timing sucks....
Sep 08th 2017
102
Feasibly its the only time she can hawk her book
Sep 08th 2017
103
      I agree. Any time would be a bad time to release it
Sep 08th 2017
110
she's the scapegoat...
Sep 08th 2017
111
      who is us? you mean wypipo?
Sep 08th 2017
112
      iont like Hildawg but I voted for her.. how am I at fault?
Sep 08th 2017
116
So it begins
Sep 08th 2017
113
If she's insightful
Sep 08th 2017
114
      If she does that(build from the loss)
Sep 08th 2017
121
      Its gonna be her going HAM on Trump
Sep 08th 2017
128
I might get it
Sep 08th 2017
115
2020. She's running, her pitch is the 2016 election was stolen from her
Sep 08th 2017
122
I can already hear the "well, nothing's off the table"
Sep 08th 2017
126
she can run.....but I seriously doubt the DNC is going to support her.
Sep 08th 2017
135

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