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"Russia's Mafia State and how Trump Jr wasn't just meeting about orphans"
Thu Jul-27-17 01:52 PM by BigReg

  

          

This reads a movie and should be read but ill give the TL: DR version along with some snippets

While Putin was strong arming other Russian Oligarchs to consolidate power a rich American businessman with ties in Russia naively tried to fight the corruption and got his boy killed. For revenge he got the Russian sanctions placed which put a damper on Putin and Co's money laundering abilities in the West (which Putin pettily responded with that orphan adoption ban) and Putin and co been fighting tooth and nail since they know as long as the cash stays in russia its not safe.

One of the main propagandists was the Russian lawyer who met with Trump and Kusher, so when they saying they are talking just about russian adoptions...

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/07/bill-browders-testimony-to-the-senate-judiciary-committee/534864/




...I had always thought Putin was a nationalist. It seemed inconceivable that he would approve of his officials stealing $230 million from the Russian state. Sergei and I were sure that this was a rogue operation and if we just brought it to the attention of the Russian authorities, the “good guys” would get the “bad guys” and that would be the end of the story.


We filed criminal complaints with every law enforcement agency in Russia, and Sergei gave sworn testimony to the Russian State Investigative Committee (Russia’s FBI) about the involvement of officials in this crime.

However, instead of arresting the people who committed the crime, Sergei was arrested. Who took him? The same officials he had testified against. On November 24, 2008, they came to his home, handcuffed him in front of his family, and threw him into pre-trial detention

...In 2010, I traveled to Washington and told Sergei Magnitsky’s story to Senators Benjamin Cardin and John McCain. They were both shocked and appalled and proposed a new piece of legislation called The Sergei Magnitsky Rule of Law Accountability Act. This would freeze assets and ban visas for those who killed Sergei as well as other Russians involved in serious human rights abuse.

...The Russian government has also used its resources and assets to try to repeal the Magnitsky Act. One of the most shocking attempts took place in the spring and summer of last year when a group of Russians went on a lobbying campaign in Washington to try to repeal the Magnitsky Act by changing the narrative of what had happened to Sergei. According to them, Sergei wasn’t murdered and he wasn’t a whistle-blower, and the Magnitsky Act was based on a false set of facts. They used this story to try to have Sergei’s name taken off of the Global Magnitsky Act that passed in December 2016. They were unsuccessful.

Who was this group of Russians acting on behalf of the Russian state? Two men named Pyotr and Denis Katsyv, a woman named Natalia Veselnitskaya, and a large group of American lobbyists, all of whom are described below.

  

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Russia's Mafia State and how Trump Jr wasn't just meeting about orphans [View all] , BigReg, Thu Jul-27-17 01:49 PM
 
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All I know is Russian police aren't shooting men and children for sport
Jul 27th 2017
1
Sometimes you don't have to do this
Jul 27th 2017
2
I know but I truly don't get what the Russian threat is
Jul 27th 2017
3
RE: I know but I truly don't get what the Russian threat is
Jul 27th 2017
5
America doesn't have an analog for what you listed?
Jul 27th 2017
7
      Do you just always reflexively counter with what "we" do?
Jul 27th 2017
13
           There is so much propaganda surrounding the US Russia relationship
Jul 27th 2017
17
                RE: There is so much propaganda surrounding the US Russia relationship
Jul 27th 2017
20
open a book not imagined in you own mind once and a while
Jul 27th 2017
8
Srry not seeing it. Cuban missle crisis seems US instigated if you ask m...
Jul 27th 2017
9
like i said you don't read or have any type of analysis
Jul 27th 2017
39
      Your ideas are intriguing and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
Jul 27th 2017
41
      Well it's not like you threw out a solid position in your first reply
Jul 27th 2017
47
      RE: like i said you don't read or have any type of analysis
Jul 28th 2017
62
           who do you know that's in the military?
Jul 28th 2017
63
He's the drunk uncle who has a smart dumb response for everything
Jul 27th 2017
11
      most things legs -- most things
Jul 27th 2017
24
           I wasn't trying to start a dogpile. Marble summed up my feelings on this
Jul 28th 2017
58
What scares me the most about it is how quickly norms have gone out
Jul 27th 2017
10
      broken ppl...wannabe nihilists.
Jul 27th 2017
12
      srry man but I read your exchange with Legs
Jul 27th 2017
16
      Im talking ABOUT you (among others) but not to or with you.
Jul 27th 2017
42
           Here comes the tirade. Don't let us down buddy.
Jul 27th 2017
49
           Black Denny may be touched.
Jul 27th 2017
50
                Touched like being shown respect by someone you have in your home
Jul 27th 2017
51
                     AND had drinks with you on occasions. But you're not teflon. Nor beyond
Jul 28th 2017
55
                          Yeah I never said I believed the earth was flat at all
Jul 28th 2017
56
      Yeah, I just shake my head...
Jul 27th 2017
18
      A lot of those folks would have voted Bernie but the DNC is dirty
Jul 27th 2017
33
           Do you read more than you opine?
Jul 27th 2017
34
                Read more than opine and look at numbers and history
Jul 27th 2017
35
      When you stop calling black people Niggers you can be taken seriously
Jul 27th 2017
21
      Well said
Jul 28th 2017
60
      RE: broken ppl...wannabe nihilists.
Jul 28th 2017
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           a school full of white children was massacred and nothing changed
Jul 28th 2017
66
                An innocent man was murdered in front of his family - the killer walked
Jul 28th 2017
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      That's one way to put it and I partially agree
Jul 27th 2017
15
      Us vs them ain't the same thing as this.
Jul 27th 2017
40
      jokes on you. the norms were never there. nobody was bold enough to push...
Jul 27th 2017
26
           Yes and no. Are you old enough to remember life before 9/11?
Jul 27th 2017
           RE: Yes and no. Are you old enough to remember life before 9/11?
Jul 27th 2017
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                RE: Yes and no. Are you old enough to remember life before 9/11?
Jul 27th 2017
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                     RE: Yes and no. Are you old enough to remember life before 9/11?
Jul 27th 2017
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                          Piggybacking off you in reply to him.
Jul 27th 2017
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                               oh gotcha...my bad
Jul 27th 2017
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           Slightly more complicated than that
Jul 27th 2017
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Him dumb
Jul 27th 2017
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https://i.ytimg.com/vi/SBacP3u_TPI/hqdefault.jpg
Jul 27th 2017
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This has been going on for a while... (it's not just Atillah either)
Jul 27th 2017
14
      Whats happening with/to black america >>> Russia IMO
Jul 27th 2017
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           That's cool. Most of us on the boards probably agree on that.
Jul 27th 2017
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                Okay that I get. Admittedly I need a better outlet for my disdain
Jul 27th 2017
27
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Russia#Africans
Jul 27th 2017
22
are you pointing out the school funding or anti American propaganda
Jul 27th 2017
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      LOL. Russia murked 20 mil of their people tho
Jul 27th 2017
28
      You don't want to know what I really think about this world
Jul 27th 2017
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      Just pointing out that the grass isn't any greener
Jul 27th 2017
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           I'm not saying it is but this Russian boogieman thing is played out imo
Jul 27th 2017
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                i wish it was played out
Jul 27th 2017
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                RE: I'm not saying it is but this Russian boogieman thing is played out ...
Jul 28th 2017
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RE: All I know is Russian police aren't shooting men and children for sp...
Jul 28th 2017
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Its time to give this Russia stuff up. Its not gonna matter; no matter w...
Jul 27th 2017
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But like ... we can't?
Jul 27th 2017
44
basically.
Jul 28th 2017
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No it matters.
Jul 27th 2017
45
It's important. But in terms of current politics it doesn't matter at al...
Jul 27th 2017
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exactly...the Dems need an actual message this time
Jul 27th 2017
54
      Yup. Let it play out but focus on the failed attempts at repealing the A...
Jul 28th 2017
57
           Sounds like .... every political campaign ever lol
Jul 28th 2017
59
                well, it works better than "vote for me because I'm not him"
Jul 28th 2017
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                     'our majorities cant pass legislation and our president works for putin'
Jul 28th 2017
70
i really dont get this attitude at all.
Jul 28th 2017
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