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-DJ R-Tistic-
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"Teaching men not to rape"


  

          

In the last few years, there have been a million debates and articles about rape, and how we need to move away from teaching women how to act in order to not be raped, versus teaching men not to rape.

My former coworker's daughter is at Spelman, and he sent me this link from their website: "Sexual Assault: Tips to Prevent Acquaintance Rape (Date Rape)" http://www5.spelman.edu/students/sexualassault/acquaintancerape.shtml - and I've heard of plenty articles similar to this. Many women have responded saying that men are never taught not to rape, and that this whole attitude leads to the "she asked for it" attitude that's out there.

In your opinion, what ways should this be done, and which ways do you think are most effective in the long run? Would it even require a complete cultural overhaul, since a lot of what is seen as harmless may have rape-type undertones? Do you think the laws should be much harsher for those who are convicted?

Do you even think that men who are rapists could have been controlled at some point, or that something they experienced in life lead to their behavior? I've only read a few stories from actual rapists, such as that one Reddit post, and I still couldn't point out what could have prevented them from going that far.

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Teaching men not to rape [View all] , -DJ R-Tistic-, Tue Feb-10-15 12:54 PM
 
Subject Author Message Date ID
gotta teach boys early; before puberty. n/m
Feb 10th 2015
1
I think I would teach my sons to stay away from anything remotely a
Feb 10th 2015
2
that's where i'm at
Feb 10th 2015
4
Got you. The no trains part is interesting
Feb 10th 2015
7
      Fuzz Yeah!!!
Feb 10th 2015
10
the whole idea that you'd need to teach a man NOT to rape...WTF!?!?!?
Feb 10th 2015
3
Unfortunately id argue there's still a nod and a wink out there
Feb 10th 2015
6
Exactly.
Feb 10th 2015
59
so many boys are taught that they have to try by any means necessary
Feb 10th 2015
8
yup
Feb 10th 2015
12
Wow... word? I mean I'm with Promo
Feb 10th 2015
18
and we as women ARE saying it's necessary
Feb 10th 2015
22
there are a lot of boys/men who take cues from assholes where
Feb 10th 2015
24
so then why are you dismissing my "teach them right" vs. "don't rape"
Feb 10th 2015
28
      so you agree that teaching them right means teaching them not to rape?
Feb 10th 2015
30
      well that's what i'm wondering - if we're arguing on the same side?
Feb 10th 2015
38
      n/m - double post
Feb 10th 2015
39
      'teach them right' = vague
Feb 10th 2015
33
RE: Wow... word? I mean I'm with Promo
Feb 10th 2015
31
but here's where i feel the disconnect.
Feb 10th 2015
21
      as long as we have people who feel this way
Feb 10th 2015
25
           so you've basically condemned boys to be date rapists (at best).
Feb 10th 2015
27
           you're just making shit up to be angry.
Feb 10th 2015
32
           Are you saying that if parents don't explicitly teach their sons
Feb 10th 2015
29
                your dad taught you not to rape.
Feb 10th 2015
55
                I think a lot of men that had an active father had this talk
Feb 11th 2015
76
                i think it will bring the numbers down.
Feb 10th 2015
61
Its not always that simple
Feb 10th 2015
16
With that...it just sucks that peer pressure > what adults teach
Feb 10th 2015
23
um please lets not reduce it to some animalistic tendency
Feb 10th 2015
26
RE: um please lets not reduce it to some animalistic tendency
Feb 10th 2015
44
not all that you typed, but that part
Feb 10th 2015
58
      RE: not all that you typed, but that part
Feb 10th 2015
64
           because when we talk about the instinct
Feb 10th 2015
66
                RE: because when we talk about the instinct
Feb 11th 2015
96
                     i dunno
Feb 11th 2015
106
                          nah that's YOUR extrapolation on my premise
Feb 11th 2015
112
yes
Feb 10th 2015
45
      Thats exactly what I said though
Feb 10th 2015
53
           consider it a misstep
Feb 10th 2015
72
ur usually on point but this is all some bull
Feb 11th 2015
82
      nah, not all aggessive behavior is learned
Feb 11th 2015
88
      RE: ur usually on point but this is all some bull
Feb 11th 2015
95
           and are there any social repercussions for this?
Feb 11th 2015
107
                ^^^yes, im not saying elders are gathering up young males
Feb 11th 2015
111
                     ok so i looked into the scientific evidence
Feb 11th 2015
132
in the 80's raping a girl was seen as a comedic trope
Feb 11th 2015
140
treat women with respect in general, just like you'd want people to
Feb 10th 2015
5
I agree with that as a baseline
Feb 10th 2015
9
definitely.
Feb 10th 2015
14
You can't treat people you want to have sex with like your sister.
Feb 10th 2015
11
agreed...thats' why i didn't say that.
Feb 10th 2015
13
Fair enough. So how do you want people to make a sexual move on your
Feb 10th 2015
15
      Respectfully and honestly.
Feb 10th 2015
46
lmao this is also true
Feb 10th 2015
17
the intent is great there
Feb 10th 2015
19
      what?
Feb 10th 2015
35
           "you wouldn't like it if it was your sister"
Feb 10th 2015
41
           I said treat women with respect in general...isn't that the same thing y...
Feb 10th 2015
52
                according to your response in #48, it isn't
Feb 10th 2015
62
                     oh god. lol
Feb 10th 2015
65
                          the fact that you're insisting on throwing in that second option
Feb 11th 2015
92
                               rilly doe
Feb 11th 2015
94
                               RE: the fact that you're insisting on throwing in that second option
Feb 11th 2015
98
           treat a woman w/respect b/c she's a person who deserves respect
Feb 10th 2015
42
                feels nitpicky...especially since i said treat women with respect in gen...
Feb 10th 2015
48
                     i bet it feels that way to you.
Feb 10th 2015
50
Honest question for the guys...to what level do you check your homeboys?
Feb 10th 2015
20
perfect scenario
Feb 10th 2015
49
i'd tell him that's pretty gross.
Feb 10th 2015
57
relevant:
Feb 10th 2015
68
i try to
Feb 10th 2015
69
I don't have friends like that.
Feb 10th 2015
70
yeah...i'm kinda with you on this...
Feb 10th 2015
71
This is where am at......actually have been for a while
Feb 11th 2015
80
I'm glad I grew up when I did...
Feb 11th 2015
77
Absolutely no problem w/ this.
Feb 11th 2015
86
*updates database*
Feb 11th 2015
87
      Right?!?!
Feb 11th 2015
91
      Hol up...
Feb 11th 2015
97
           and i was dead serious about it too, pal.
Feb 11th 2015
99
                **updates database**
Feb 11th 2015
100
                *finger guns*
Feb 11th 2015
103
                ay yo, lmao
Feb 11th 2015
137
"drunken consent" is about as controversial my group gets
Feb 11th 2015
110
There's a culture of celebrated and encouraged aggressiveness...
Feb 10th 2015
34
I like this phrasing waaay better.
Feb 10th 2015
37
^^^what i was getting at up higher in this post re: what to value^^^
Feb 10th 2015
40
yes,
Feb 10th 2015
43
Well said
Feb 10th 2015
51
damn, you really want it to be on some innate shit
Feb 11th 2015
74
Lol. I hope I'm in good company
Feb 11th 2015
75
eyy what comedian makes that joke that 99% of all sex
Feb 11th 2015
141
actually, you probably should still say it
Feb 11th 2015
78
Probably. I just don't believe that the actual "rape conversation" is w...
Feb 11th 2015
89
this
Feb 11th 2015
83
It's keeping the phrase "boys will be boys" out of your vocab
Feb 11th 2015
114
1) It's necessary 2) It will prevent rapes 3) It won't stop rape from oc...
Feb 10th 2015
36
I get where you're going but...
Feb 10th 2015
56
      Agree on all points
Feb 10th 2015
60
We live in a country where schools can't talk about sex.
Feb 10th 2015
47
give this reply a round of applause.
Feb 10th 2015
54
it'd be great if schools could talk about the subject.
Feb 10th 2015
63
You're starting to KINDA see this in colleges now
Feb 11th 2015
108
so y'all really think teaching your son not to rape looks like
Feb 10th 2015
67
right
Feb 11th 2015
130
.
Feb 11th 2015
73
Call me old school but why should we have to teach men not to rape?
Feb 11th 2015
79
So basically:
Feb 11th 2015
81
a) those are basically rules for women to follow
Feb 11th 2015
84
^ women shouldn't have to limit themselves like that.
Feb 11th 2015
93
Cultural overhaul is needed
Feb 11th 2015
85
Considering that US rapes have declined by 80% since 1970
Feb 11th 2015
101
      Have rapes declined or has the reporting of them declined?
Feb 11th 2015
104
           All crime has declined dramatically - it's not a reporting issue.
Feb 11th 2015
109
                *taps you gently on the shoulder*
Feb 11th 2015
115
                     Severe underreporting can exist alongside an overall decline.
Feb 11th 2015
116
                     but how can you accurately measure a decline
Feb 11th 2015
118
                          So rape is the only type of crime that's not in decline?
Feb 11th 2015
119
                               those articles aren't endorsing any conspiracy theories tho
Feb 11th 2015
121
                                    right. using those stats to say that we should just keep doing
Feb 11th 2015
122
                                    The conspiracy theory is that police departments all over are purposely
Feb 11th 2015
126
                                         then according to that same conspiracy theory you're quoting
Feb 11th 2015
128
                                              The article claims there's a conspiracy - I'm saying the opposite.
Feb 11th 2015
129
                                                   *lesigh*
Feb 11th 2015
131
                                                        Fudging on reporting probably cancels itself out at the national
Feb 11th 2015
133
                                                             I now have a headache
Feb 11th 2015
135
                                                                  68% of the total, but the total seems to be decreasing.
Feb 11th 2015
136
                     damn. that issue needs to be solved.
Feb 11th 2015
117
                          it does, doesn't it?
Feb 11th 2015
123
                               yup.
Feb 11th 2015
124
who is taught to rape?
Feb 11th 2015
90
should be the same as 'teach someone not to steal'
Feb 11th 2015
102
Not quite
Feb 11th 2015
105
Four in 10 teenage girls coerced into sex acts
Feb 11th 2015
113
:'( :'( :'(
Feb 11th 2015
120
      yep we've talked about the grey area
Feb 11th 2015
134
Just Had Convo W/ Friend About This
Feb 11th 2015
125
i like all of that.
Feb 11th 2015
127
fail to see any downsides to this
Feb 11th 2015
138
a coworker pulled aside one of my students today for this reason
Feb 11th 2015
139
we had this thing in Dallas
Feb 11th 2015
142

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