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69. "All I'm doing here is showing that there is more to think about..."
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than just "TAX THE RICH!!".

I'm for a wealth tax of the super wealthy. As I tried to show in post #23, I think it is unfair that a relatively high wealth tax already exists and it is borne by everyone but the very wealthy.

But there are significant side effects to every policy. My political pet peeve is candidates putting up apparently simple solutions to complex issues. But maybe OKP isn't the best place to talk about nuance.




>This was cute, but it in no way represents real world
>investing. Especially at the level we are talking about.
>
>You think guys like Bill Gates are investing in 50/50
>situations?
>
>
>I get it, you tried to make it simple. But you can't come up
>with a simple exercise to put any of us in the shoes of how
>Bill Gates will decide to invest.
>
>A more realistic exercise/question would be "Do you think an
>ultra-billionare would walk away from investment that
>previously would return 80 million per year, but now only
>returns 40?"...or something.
>


Investments are never certainties like you are portraying here. They are risky. And increasing the tax rate increases the number scenarios in which an investment is unprofitable. So it decreases the likelihood of taking on an investment project.


>I hope you're just being devils advocate here.

I kind of am. But also kind of not. Again, trying to get into the nuance instead of campaign slogans.


>
>
>But at the end of the day, even if we accept the idea that
>investment would go down...the argument would be 1) the
>increased government spending would lead to other
>benefits/growth and 2) the societal gains are more important
>and 3) your argument sort of assumes that Bill is investing
>all of his wealth into booming businesses today AND that a
>different investor wouldn't step up etc etc.
>
>

All this is true. These are possibilities. Especially #2


>And again, the natural progression of the stance you are
>taking are things like privatize social security, continuing
>to worship investors, etc.
>

Not really. Sometimes social welfare can improve at the expense of economics. I.e. Everyone gets healthcare, but as a result everyone has to pay a little more.

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"You can’t shame rich and powerful white people in America. " (c) Me [View all] , MEAT, Wed Nov-06-19 08:19 PM
 
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What a piece of shit.
Nov 06th 2019
1
This is some handle level logic.
Nov 07th 2019
2
Still sits on the board
Nov 07th 2019
20
Gifted his stakes to his foundation
Nov 07th 2019
22
Fun fact about Bill Gates and capitalism.
Nov 07th 2019
36
So what is your REAL argument?
Nov 07th 2019
3
Coming to this site sucks
Nov 07th 2019
4
What ? reply 2 and 3
Nov 07th 2019
5
Given them billions
Nov 07th 2019
6
Easy
Nov 07th 2019
7
      Non billionaires crack me up.
Nov 07th 2019
8
      Joe the Plumbers make me laugh
Nov 07th 2019
10
      Great
Nov 07th 2019
11
      Welcome
Nov 07th 2019
13
      as stupid does
Nov 07th 2019
50
           We don't sound nothing like your mother, she got stupid on lock
Nov 07th 2019
51
                Watch your tone bitch
Nov 07th 2019
53
                     Shut up your mother, Grandmother and her mother, 3 pieces of shit
Nov 07th 2019
54
                          In your wildest dreams bitch...
Nov 07th 2019
55
                               lmao coward
Nov 07th 2019
56
                                    Coming from someone that shoulda been swallowed or aborted
Nov 07th 2019
57
      Stupid is...
Nov 07th 2019
49
      I can never tell if you're an alias or what
Nov 07th 2019
63
           I can never tell if you're an alias or what (what’s it to ya if I am)
Nov 08th 2019
74
                People earning six figures have accrued over 50 million in assets?
Nov 08th 2019
75
      RE: Easy
Nov 07th 2019
9
           Ok
Nov 07th 2019
12
           You are sure he ain't trying?
Nov 07th 2019
14
           You want him to go at
Nov 07th 2019
15
                Not trying hard enough
Nov 07th 2019
17
           Microsoft pledged some big money
Nov 07th 2019
16
                RE: Microsoft pledged some big money
Nov 07th 2019
18
                RE: Microsoft pledged some big money
Nov 07th 2019
19
                They need to do more than that given this list
Nov 07th 2019
21
           Tomorrow I’d offer a grant/gift program to every school lunch budget
Nov 07th 2019
24
Right.
Nov 07th 2019
37
We been had a wealth tax that is punitive on the middle/lower class
Nov 07th 2019
23
What middle class person has over 50 million dollars in assets?
Nov 07th 2019
25
Heres her wealth tax on assets.
Nov 07th 2019
26
      Spain has a wealth tax, the Netherlands has a wealth tax,
Nov 07th 2019
27
      You just like to fight, don't you?
Nov 07th 2019
29
      You wrote multiple paragraphs outlining how tax affects a homebuyer
Nov 07th 2019
31
           Or......stay with me now....
Nov 07th 2019
32
                So why not use the example of the rich
Nov 07th 2019
34
                     Yeah you just like to fight lol
Nov 07th 2019
35
                          i got your example just fine.
Nov 07th 2019
42
                               Centering and framing are things that exist
Nov 07th 2019
44
      Nah, it's her M4A plan. That's where she emptied all the clips lol
Nov 07th 2019
38
           its 6%
Nov 07th 2019
41
                Oh I wasn't trying to argue her B-tax is too high lol
Nov 07th 2019
45
                     oops, I meant country-by-country here not mark-to-market lol
Nov 07th 2019
65
And...he has a point
Nov 07th 2019
28
The governments.
Nov 07th 2019
30
An important question for sure.I also think that,when people contemplate
Nov 07th 2019
39
Are you really arguing for Trickle Down Economics?
Nov 07th 2019
40
      With a dash of inherent intelligence of the rich
Nov 07th 2019
43
      Intelligence of the rich?
Nov 07th 2019
47
           RE: Intelligence of the rich?
Nov 07th 2019
48
      Not at all. Just basic economics.
Nov 07th 2019
46
           RE: Not at all. Just basic economics.
Nov 07th 2019
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           https://media.giphy.com/media/G4ZNYMQVMH6us/giphy.gif
Nov 07th 2019
58
                cmon man
Nov 07th 2019
66
               
                Damn the formatting took away my math. Here's my work if curious
Nov 07th 2019
67
                     RE: Damn the formatting took away my math. Here's my work if curious
Nov 08th 2019
76
                          You: There is no economic model relating taxes and investment...
Nov 08th 2019
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                               RE: You: There is no economic model relating taxes and investment...
Nov 08th 2019
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                                    RE: You: There is no economic model relating taxes and investment...
Nov 08th 2019
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           I think the biggest issue is your first statement
Nov 07th 2019
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                waste/stupidity/etc is highly prevalent in governments too, make no
Nov 07th 2019
61
                never said there wasn't
Nov 07th 2019
64
                     I hear you. I think, for me, I fall in the camp that neither extreme is
Nov 07th 2019
68
                More patience than me. Thank you.
Nov 07th 2019
62
lol @ poor people defending BILLIONAIRES..
Nov 07th 2019
33
Of course you can't
Nov 07th 2019
60
Ditto for Australia. It was common criminals who built that country up.
Nov 08th 2019
86
Bloomberg to enter the presidential race
Nov 07th 2019
70
Bob Iger coming up next ...get your voting machines ready people
Nov 07th 2019
71
CALCULATOR FOR THE BILLIONAIRES
Nov 07th 2019
72
Yoooooo this is amazing.
Nov 07th 2019
73
If that’s the actual calculator answer she got my vote
Nov 08th 2019
78
Billionaires are shook.. i love it.
Nov 08th 2019
80
They'll be fine tho. They always are.
Nov 08th 2019
81
      its pretty funny* that billionaires dont want to pay taxes
Nov 08th 2019
82
           Good point. They are terrible people.
Nov 08th 2019
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           As long as it’s less they see it as a worthy investment.
Nov 08th 2019
85
But isn't she part of the 1% herself?
Nov 08th 2019
87
      net worth $12 million, whats the point?
Nov 08th 2019
88
           Average income of them is 1.32 million a year
Nov 08th 2019
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Bezos called Bloomberg to ask him to consider running for president (lin...
Nov 09th 2019
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Did Bezos use the Billionaire Boys Secret Hotline
Nov 11th 2019
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      yup, Pharrell was the receptionist who answered the phone.
Nov 11th 2019
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