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59. "I think the biggest issue is your first statement"
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It is jarring to read because it sounds like something Paul Ryan would say.

this one:

"Is $40 billion going to put to better use in his hands or in the government's hands?"

That statement/question is typically made by right-wind supply siders.

It implies that whatever Bill does with the 40 billion it will be used in a better way than the government, which is bullshit.

This idea that the government is somehow less competent than large corporations is laughable- its like people have never worked for a large company or won't admit how much waste/stupidity/etc exists ON TOP of the need for profits.

Not to mention, chances are Bill would just sit on the amount anyway and continue to accumulate more wealth by extracting value via the stock market.

Is Bill doing anything today to actually add value to the economy? I could be missing something, but seems like he's just a shareholder.

They add no value.


Not to mention, where does that argument end? It ends with shit like privatizing social security, etc. You know, Paul Ryan shit.

"He would argue that his plans with the foundation are a better use. Some would argue otherwise."

Again, here is where we get into an area where we worship the super-rich.

Its great that Bill gives back on causes that he cares about.


But, what about causes he doesn't really care about? They don't deserve attention/funding/etc?


And, if he is going to take his charities and go home because he has to pay Uncle Sam more, then he really isn't all that charitable, is he?

"He also has a point about innovation and capital formation. With a high wealth tax, there will be less private sector investment. So it could stifle business innovation. And capital will grow at a slower rate, again decreasing private sector investment in the future."

Jesus Christ. This is supply side economics.

The message of 'Don't tax us or innovation/jobs will go away!!' is some classic job-creator boogie man shit.

Like someone else pointed out, if there is money to made on investment...the investment will be made. If the return on that investment goes down x% from a higher tax rate, there is still a return.

And just because some economists anticipated this argument and addressed it, doesn't make it less bullshit.

"The argument could be made that the government will fill this investment gap. Or that the reduced inequality will have economic boosting side effects."

Right. We can't be duped by these right wing scare tactics. Otherwise we will continue to live in our current tax system that is terribly regressive- which I think even you pointed out above.

"Or that the societal gains are well worth a potential negative effects"

This in general is a change that we as a society need to make or we are all fucked. Seriously. If we look at things like climate change, healthcare, housing, immigration through a short term economic lens we are completely fucked.

  

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"You can’t shame rich and powerful white people in America. " (c) Me [View all] , MEAT, Wed Nov-06-19 08:19 PM
 
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What a piece of shit.
Nov 06th 2019
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This is some handle level logic.
Nov 07th 2019
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Still sits on the board
Nov 07th 2019
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Gifted his stakes to his foundation
Nov 07th 2019
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Fun fact about Bill Gates and capitalism.
Nov 07th 2019
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So what is your REAL argument?
Nov 07th 2019
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Coming to this site sucks
Nov 07th 2019
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What ? reply 2 and 3
Nov 07th 2019
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Given them billions
Nov 07th 2019
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Easy
Nov 07th 2019
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      Non billionaires crack me up.
Nov 07th 2019
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      Joe the Plumbers make me laugh
Nov 07th 2019
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      Great
Nov 07th 2019
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      Welcome
Nov 07th 2019
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      as stupid does
Nov 07th 2019
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           We don't sound nothing like your mother, she got stupid on lock
Nov 07th 2019
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                Watch your tone bitch
Nov 07th 2019
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                     Shut up your mother, Grandmother and her mother, 3 pieces of shit
Nov 07th 2019
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                          In your wildest dreams bitch...
Nov 07th 2019
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                               lmao coward
Nov 07th 2019
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                                    Coming from someone that shoulda been swallowed or aborted
Nov 07th 2019
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      Stupid is...
Nov 07th 2019
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      I can never tell if you're an alias or what
Nov 07th 2019
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           I can never tell if you're an alias or what (what’s it to ya if I am)
Nov 08th 2019
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                People earning six figures have accrued over 50 million in assets?
Nov 08th 2019
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      RE: Easy
Nov 07th 2019
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           Ok
Nov 07th 2019
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           You are sure he ain't trying?
Nov 07th 2019
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           You want him to go at
Nov 07th 2019
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                Not trying hard enough
Nov 07th 2019
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           Microsoft pledged some big money
Nov 07th 2019
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                RE: Microsoft pledged some big money
Nov 07th 2019
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                RE: Microsoft pledged some big money
Nov 07th 2019
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                They need to do more than that given this list
Nov 07th 2019
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           Tomorrow I’d offer a grant/gift program to every school lunch budget
Nov 07th 2019
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Right.
Nov 07th 2019
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We been had a wealth tax that is punitive on the middle/lower class
Nov 07th 2019
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What middle class person has over 50 million dollars in assets?
Nov 07th 2019
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Heres her wealth tax on assets.
Nov 07th 2019
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      Spain has a wealth tax, the Netherlands has a wealth tax,
Nov 07th 2019
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      You just like to fight, don't you?
Nov 07th 2019
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      You wrote multiple paragraphs outlining how tax affects a homebuyer
Nov 07th 2019
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           Or......stay with me now....
Nov 07th 2019
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                So why not use the example of the rich
Nov 07th 2019
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                     Yeah you just like to fight lol
Nov 07th 2019
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                          i got your example just fine.
Nov 07th 2019
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                               Centering and framing are things that exist
Nov 07th 2019
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      Nah, it's her M4A plan. That's where she emptied all the clips lol
Nov 07th 2019
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           its 6%
Nov 07th 2019
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                Oh I wasn't trying to argue her B-tax is too high lol
Nov 07th 2019
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                     oops, I meant country-by-country here not mark-to-market lol
Nov 07th 2019
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And...he has a point
Nov 07th 2019
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The governments.
Nov 07th 2019
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An important question for sure.I also think that,when people contemplate
Nov 07th 2019
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Are you really arguing for Trickle Down Economics?
Nov 07th 2019
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      With a dash of inherent intelligence of the rich
Nov 07th 2019
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      Intelligence of the rich?
Nov 07th 2019
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           RE: Intelligence of the rich?
Nov 07th 2019
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      Not at all. Just basic economics.
Nov 07th 2019
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           RE: Not at all. Just basic economics.
Nov 07th 2019
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           https://media.giphy.com/media/G4ZNYMQVMH6us/giphy.gif
Nov 07th 2019
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                cmon man
Nov 07th 2019
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                All I'm doing here is showing that there is more to think about...
Nov 07th 2019
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                Damn the formatting took away my math. Here's my work if curious
Nov 07th 2019
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                     RE: Damn the formatting took away my math. Here's my work if curious
Nov 08th 2019
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                          You: There is no economic model relating taxes and investment...
Nov 08th 2019
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                               RE: You: There is no economic model relating taxes and investment...
Nov 08th 2019
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                                    RE: You: There is no economic model relating taxes and investment...
Nov 08th 2019
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                waste/stupidity/etc is highly prevalent in governments too, make no
Nov 07th 2019
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                never said there wasn't
Nov 07th 2019
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                     I hear you. I think, for me, I fall in the camp that neither extreme is
Nov 07th 2019
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                More patience than me. Thank you.
Nov 07th 2019
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lol @ poor people defending BILLIONAIRES..
Nov 07th 2019
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Of course you can't
Nov 07th 2019
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Ditto for Australia. It was common criminals who built that country up.
Nov 08th 2019
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Bloomberg to enter the presidential race
Nov 07th 2019
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Bob Iger coming up next ...get your voting machines ready people
Nov 07th 2019
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CALCULATOR FOR THE BILLIONAIRES
Nov 07th 2019
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Yoooooo this is amazing.
Nov 07th 2019
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If that’s the actual calculator answer she got my vote
Nov 08th 2019
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Billionaires are shook.. i love it.
Nov 08th 2019
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They'll be fine tho. They always are.
Nov 08th 2019
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      its pretty funny* that billionaires dont want to pay taxes
Nov 08th 2019
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           Good point. They are terrible people.
Nov 08th 2019
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           As long as it’s less they see it as a worthy investment.
Nov 08th 2019
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But isn't she part of the 1% herself?
Nov 08th 2019
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      net worth $12 million, whats the point?
Nov 08th 2019
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           Average income of them is 1.32 million a year
Nov 08th 2019
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Bezos called Bloomberg to ask him to consider running for president (lin...
Nov 09th 2019
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Did Bezos use the Billionaire Boys Secret Hotline
Nov 11th 2019
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      yup, Pharrell was the receptionist who answered the phone.
Nov 11th 2019
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